Cycle Opinions

[cfitchris]

So I am kicking off a new cycle and was just trying to get a few opinions on it.
Background:
Cycled on and off for the past few years.
31 year old male, 5'6, 166.

My goals are to gain a bit of strength and size while hopefully maintaining a bit of those gains after PCT.

Cycle:
Front loading T-Bol orals for 3 weeks at 50/75/75 ED.
Then moving to Test E and EQ for 9-12 weeks. Not sure on dosage yet. Was thinking about 500mg per week of the test and 600mg per week of the EQ.
PCT is Clomid 7 days after last pin.

I also have winni on hand for cutting in the final 4 weeks, but not sure if I will need it combined with the EQ, just tossing the idea around right now.

I am thinking of putting Arimidex into the cycle to help as well. I never thought about AIs until reading some articles on here. Never had any real problems with just a clomid PCT.

Any opinions are helpful as I am still working out the fine tuning of this and only really have straight Test cycle experience. I was very happy with results of 500mg per week test spread out over 12 weeks before and just want to try and see a little bit more gains this time.

Thanks.

 

[gearhead]

bro what's your PCT like??? seems missing....try perfect pct: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[cfitchris]

I am looking at something along the same lines as that, I am waiting on my last pieces of PCT to come in, not sure if I am going to use a 2 week PCT kick start though. That and I am not a huge fan of Nolva, I am going to attach an AI onto my cycle to help with my water retention and chances of gyno.

Are there any drawbacks to not using the 2 week PCT kickstart?

Previous cycles I have used just Clomid on a 50/50/50/25/25/12.5 doses. The Nolva seems to decrease my libido significantly, I even researched a ton about my dosing and no matter the dose, it seemed to ruin it.

 

[hurricane]

So I am kicking off a new cycle and was just trying to get a few opinions on it.
Background:
Cycled on and off for the past few years.
31 year old male, 5'6, 166.

My goals are to gain a bit of strength and size while hopefully maintaining a bit of those gains after PCT.

Cycle:
Front loading T-Bol orals for 3 weeks at 50/75/75 ED.
Then moving to Test E and EQ for 9-12 weeks. Not sure on dosage yet. Was thinking about 500mg per week of the test and 600mg per week of the EQ.
PCT is Clomid 7 days after last pin.

I also have winni on hand for cutting in the final 4 weeks, but not sure if I will need it combined with the EQ, just tossing the idea around right now.

I am thinking of putting Arimidex into the cycle to help as well. I never thought about AIs until reading some articles on here. Never had any real problems with just a clomid PCT.

Any opinions are helpful as I am still working out the fine tuning of this and only really have straight Test cycle experience. I was very happy with results of 500mg per week test spread out over 12 weeks before and just want to try and see a little bit more gains this time.

Thanks.

eq needs to be ran for more then 12 weeks for starts . Am i understand you correctly? you are taking the tbol weeks prior the test and eq...why?

 

[cfitchris]

Just 2 weeks prior to the Test and Eq, I would love to be able to do a 14 week EQ cycle, but time isnt on my side right now. But yes, I am taking TBol 2 weeks prior and 2 weeks during on the front end. Going to do 50/50/75/75.

 

[cfitchris]

Just 2 weeks prior to the Test and Eq, I would love to be able to do a 14 week EQ cycle, but time isnt on my side right now. But yes, I am taking TBol 2 weeks prior and 2 weeks during on the front end. Going to do 50/50/75/75.

Sorry, noticed a typo. Yes I am taking tbol at 50mg ED for the first 2 weeks and then I am going to do 7 weeks of it in combo with Test C, I am still thinking of if I want to combine the EQ or not as I dont have the time needed to do a good 14-16 weeks of EQ and can just save it for another time. Same with the Winstrol.

 

[gymrat827]

Just 2 weeks prior to the Test and Eq, I would love to be able to do a 14 week EQ cycle, but time isnt on my side right now. But yes, I am taking TBol 2 weeks prior and 2 weeks during on the front end. Going to do 50/50/75/75.

than drop EQ and add more Tbol. EQ will work in 10wks, but it will be at its best wks 7-15+. So yes you can use it, but you ll get a lot more out of it if you can wait.


For sure go at least 12 days after you last pin to start pct. also add the clomid only pct.............hcgenerate ES, liquidex, osta, d spark will make a big big difference. maybe some GHRP 2 to ensure your eating enough to hold your new muscle.

 

[lancer55]

Usually people take an oral to jumpstart for the first four weeks. If you have not already bought arimidex consider aromasin. Do you have bloodwork to prove you recovered fine with just clomid? I know it can be done but everyone is different.

 

[cfitchris]

I am going to use the Arimidex I think. I have the bloods from my last cycle (been about 14 months since) and all levels are in normal range, no gyno, no sides that I can even think of. I am not prone to acne. I haven't experienced and real hair loss or growth either.

I had my pre-cycle bloods drawn about 3 months ago, so I am going to use those as my baseline for when I off-cycle. I am looking to get some extra PCT from sarms1, but need to figure out if they will ship to an APO.

 

[RickRock]

You are going to need much more in that PCT brother

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (www.ag-guys.com)
Liquid Aromasin (www.ag-guys.com)
Test Stack 17 or HCGenerate ES (PM me for info and discounts) http://w3.teststackrx.com/102.html
Ostarine 25mg per day (www.sarms1.com)

 

[cfitchris]

You are going to need much more in that PCT brother

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (www.ag-guys.com)
Liquid Aromasin (www.ag-guys.com)
Test Stack 17 or HCGenerate ES (PM me for info and discounts) http://w3.teststackrx.com/102.html
Ostarine 25mg per day (www.sarms1.com)

I have clomid on hand, orals though. HCGenerate ES on its way. And am waiting to hear back from Sarms1 if they will ship to an APO. Is the increase in PCT due to the stack? I am gonna cut the EQ out of this stack since I really woudl liek to have the time to due a better run on it. Looks liek I will just be doing a Test/TBol stack for 12 weeks, with Liquidex in there, then PCT of the 4 you listed for 7 weeks after. Should I do about 2 weeks after my last pin to start my PCT?

 

[JackSteel]

Clomid alone isn't really enough especially for a 12 week cycle. You do want an AI with 500mg or you'll be a little high on estrogen I should think. Maybe not problematic for you but it's ideal to have one.

Also why are you front loading orals dude??? Or do you mean kickstart? You front load long esters not orals bro.
Id add HCGenerate, GW and Ostarine to your pct and either aromasin or DSpark.


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[gymrat827]

I have clomid on hand, orals though. HCGenerate ES on its way. And am waiting to hear back from Sarms1 if they will ship to an APO. Is the increase in PCT due to the stack? I am gonna cut the EQ out of this stack since I really woudl liek to have the time to due a better run on it. Looks liek I will just be doing a Test/TBol stack for 12 weeks, with Liquidex in there, then PCT of the 4 you listed for 7 weeks after. Should I do about 2 weeks after my last pin to start my PCT?

you should stop tbol after 7wks. It stops working on its own at that point too so theres really no point.

 

[RickRock]

I have clomid on hand, orals though. HCGenerate ES on its way. And am waiting to hear back from Sarms1 if they will ship to an APO. Is the increase in PCT due to the stack? I am gonna cut the EQ out of this stack since I really woudl liek to have the time to due a better run on it. Looks liek I will just be doing a Test/TBol stack for 12 weeks, with Liquidex in there, then PCT of the 4 you listed for 7 weeks after. Should I do about 2 weeks after my last pin to start my PCT?

Yes, two weeks after last pin is when you should start your PCT. Even without the EQ, you still need a full PCT that I described. Recovery is the most important part of a cycle

 

[Shrine]

Yeah make sure you run the proper PCT

 

[smegal]

why not run test the whole cycle?

 

[cfitchris]

Clomid alone isn't really enough especially for a 12 week cycle. You do want an AI with 500mg or you'll be a little high on estrogen I should think. Maybe not problematic for you but it's ideal to have one.

Also why are you front loading orals dude??? Or do you mean kickstart? You front load long esters not orals bro.
Id add HCGenerate, GW and Ostarine to your pct and either aromasin or DSpark.

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I think kickstart is a better word than front loading in this situation yes. I have Ostarine and GW on the way, and HCGenerate ES. And going to kick in an AI with it. Current plan is 8 weeks of side by side with the Test and the TBol and then 4 weeks of just test, with the AI in there as well for the full 12 weeks. Then starting my PCT with the Clomid, Ostarine, GW and HCGenerate ES 2 full weeks after my final pin. I cut out the EQ as I dont have the full 14-16 weeks to run it uninterrupted as I have some international travel to do in about 13-14 weeks from now. I can travel with the PCT no problem, moving pins and vials would be the hard part.

 

[cfitchris]

why not run test the whole cycle?

Its a 12 week Test C cycle, combined with 8 weeks of Tbol. It was going to be a Test C, EQ, TBol, Winny cycle. Just not enough time to do it right and I dont want to half ass it.