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Wacoach

Wacoach

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Hey Guys. Need help again. I have run into an unexpected problem and I am not sure what to do. Before I eloborate, I first want to say that I am in no way bad-mouthing any products or advice that I have gotten so far. I just need a different alternative or advice from what I have been doing.

So here is my situation. I think I am the 1 in 100 people that n2guard is not cooperating with. So now I need advice on a different cycle support. I know that most of the moderators for this site are big supporters of n2guard, but I have figured out that there is some ingredient that is giving me crushing headaches. This must not happen to everyone, but it is hitting me like a ton of bricks.

Here is what has happened:

Week 1-3: dbol and test e, aromasin, and n2guard: blood pressure went up and headaches were crushing.
Week 4: got off the dbol and blood pressure dropped close to normal, headaches persisted but were lessened. I contributed all my issues to the dbol
Week 5: still getting headaches, so decided to stop taking n2guard to see if it was causing the headaches. Within 2 days, they went away.
Week 6: felt great, worked out like a beast
Week 7: 3 days ago, I started pumping the n2guard again (2 morning, 2 afternoon, 3 at night). Headaches on the second day were crushing me. I stopped yesterday and feel much better today.

So now, I have to assume there is some ingredient in that product that doesn't work well with my body. So now I need advice. I want to protect my liver, etc., but don't think this all in one product is for me. Should I try individual ingredients (milk thistle, etc.) and try to figure out which one is not cooperating for support or should I try a different "all in one"? If I try individual ingredients, which ones are a must?

I need to hear from the need2build guys as well as other vets, about what you suggest. Again, I in no way bashing n2guard for most people. It has obviously worked for hundreds. It just doesn't seem to be cooperating with me.

Before you ask: I am drinking plenty of water with it.

Coach
 
bro what dose of n2guard you taking? what steroids you taking? you said "plenty water", how much? you taking minerals/electrolytes? ive been using n2guard for 3 years straight bro, no sides...must be something else you doing...
 
Wacoach,

The product contains Taurine which can give some people a headache, also the diuretic effects can cause this if you are on high doses of Anti-Estrogens already, that could also be the cause.

Drop me a PM and I will help you with obtaining alternate cycle support to help you out buddy, we are always here for you.
 
Gear, I listed that stuff in my post. I understand you have successfully been taking it for years and so have a lot of people. I will say again that I am not bashing the product. Just asking for advice because it is not cooperating with me. Please read the timeline in my post as to what happened. The info about what I am on is listed. Everyone is different. I have some food allergies, etc that could be the cause. Again, I believe there is an ingredient somewhere in this product that is affecting me. I am just looking for advice on alternatives.
 
Big Rick, I can't PM anyone yet. I am too new to the forum. If you are willing to help, you will have to PM me and give me an email. That is the only way that I have been able to communicate with some of the vets.
 
Arnold, I have easily been taking in 2 gallons a day. I carry around a water bottle all day long and drink several glasses at each meal. I drink some Gatorade for electrolytes, but no too much (because of the sugar content). Mostly just water.
 
Big Rick, I am interested in the diuretic effect you mentioned. I did notice that when I got off the n2guard for a week, my urine color cleared up. When I got back on over the last few days, it turned extremely dark again. I was actually drinking more water than I had been (trying to clear the color) and it still didn't make the headaches go away. I would be interested to know from you guys if the really dark urine is common on n2guard or if something in the product is affecting me differently than most. Again, even though I am taking in over two gallons of water a day, I can't get the color to clear.
 
I did not mention above that I am also taking a recovery shake after workouts that has creatine in it. I understand that between the gear and creatine, there is a lot of water retention. Maybe two gallons or more of water is not enough to keep me hydrated enough. Hard to tell.
 
Thanks Steve. I am assuming that what is happening is rare. I have read all the positive things about n2guard. Truth is, it might be something else that is causing the headaches. I just know that as of today, I am now 3 days removed from taking it and feel great. This was the second try at using it and both times resulted in the crushing headaches. With the second try, I was 3 weeks removed from using the dbol, so I guess that wasn't it. Originally I assumed that was the culprit. Still looking for answers.
 
Let me ask you, when you say you had high B/P, did you actually measure it? Then you said it returned to normal , what is your normal?
If your blood pressure tends to be on the high side already, Dbol will def. cause headaches as a side. Need more info!what does your B/P run?
Also, unless I missed it, what dose of Dbol and what experience do you have with!
You stopping it, and getting headaches a week later could be a rebound effect. Dbol definitely has given me headaches when I have used it to kickstart a cycle!
 
I'm honestly pretty clueless on this one brother. This is something I have never heard of happening before, so it's really hard to say. Everything you describe points me to a proper hydration issue, but you say you are taking in 2 gallons per day, which should be more than enough. Have you tried to take a lower dose of N2guard to see how you respond?
 
I am with you swaggs. I assumed having them for more than a week after getting off dbol was still the dbol. Then I quit n2guard for another week after that. I quit the dbol in the middle of week 3. I was in week 6 before I started the n2guard for the second time. I was almost three weeks removed from the dbol at that point (2 and 1/2). If you think I may have been getting rebound headaches, then maybe that would explain it. Headache lasted for two more days (as long as I was on the n2guard. When I stopped taking it, they went away. I do not have experience with gear in general. That is why I am trying to figure this out. I have a few more posts on here in other sections. This is my first cycle in years.
 
Rick, I have not. I assumed that a lower dose would not provide the needed level of ingredients to be effective.
 
I would say try TUDCA but that has taurine in it as well so that may not be good if it's the taurine that's causing it. Sorry to hear it's causing an issue. Another thing I use sometimes to cleanse the liver is apple cider vinegar. Maybe try that. There are lots of great herbs out there just have to do the homework.


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Wacoach said:
Rick, I have not. I assumed that a lower dose would not provide the needed level of ingredients to be effective.
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Some people take 5 caps I've heard and still dose well for them. I would try lowering the dose like Rick suggested before buying more stuff.


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So Wacoach, what type of Dbol dose were you running? If you have never ran it before. I would suggest getting it in10mg form and starting at 30mg split up 3x daily! This keeps an even blood level. If ya start to get bad sides you can reduce to 20mg divided in am/ pm dosing!
 
I appreciate it swaggs, but I am not too worried about the dbol. I was really only going to run it the 1st 4 weeks as a front loader. The source I found on here had it in liquid injectable form only. I was taking .25 inject, twice daily to get the 50 mg daily dose he suggested. The 50 mg was just to support my low dose test e cycle. Again, I am trying not to over do it with a first cycle. The test is 250, 1 pin every 4 days to keep levels even. Works out to a little less than 500 mgs a week.

I was only going to run the dbol until week 4, so I missed by a week stopping it in week 3. Now I am just trying to figure out what support products are a must, since I am having trouble with the n2guard.
 
BigRickRock said:
Wacoach,

The product contains Taurine which can give some people a headache, also the diuretic effects can cause this if you are on high doses of Anti-Estrogens already, that could also be the cause.

Drop me a PM and I will help you with obtaining alternate cycle support to help you out buddy, we are always here for you.
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Hey Big Rick. Just a reminder. If you get time, please PM me with your advice. I can't hit you up because I haven't posted enough on here. Any advice you offer is appreciated.
 
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