First Tren cycle

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

Hello everyone! Thanks for this forum. I am new to this, but not a newbie. I have a 20ML vial of Tren A and have not started it as a cycle yet, but want opinions fo experienced builders on what to add with it? As well as side effects they have experience. Am looking at Tren 50 mg daily with Testosteone cypionate 1ML weekly and HCGenerate at the last half of my 10 week cycle. Befoe I begin, is there any recommendations to add? Am 56, 195 lbs, apoximativ 20% body fat or less, 5 foot 11 tall. Input is appeciated!

raptor1331 · Aug 2, 2016

man... 56 years old, 195 lbs, 20% at 5'11? i wouldn't bother with the tren bro, honestly.

a few months ago i ran 200 test/300 tren and honestly, i dont care too much for the stuff. im 5'9 185lbs, about 12% and my body went through a pretty dramatic change, but i felt like shit, and the stuff was harsh.

why not do something more mild and work on the body fat? in my opinion, youre carrying too much bodyfat, and at your age i personally wouldnt run tren, thats just me.

one of my favorite cutters is just 200mg of test, and 30mg tbol, and a caloric deficit.

if youre adamant on running tren, i would say to stay at your 50mg/day and for the test, run it low. like 200mg/week... thats how i ran it and i didnt have much "mental" sides...

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

Thanks bro, but tren is something I already have. Am holding off until I have ducks of mine in a row. Doing more research, it would appear that it best be un with N2Guad and Cardarine to mitigate negative side effects. Also I note that 50mg a day can be substitute for 50 mg every other day. Did you try it with also running Anavar and Aromasin? What did you not like about ten? I may only do this once, since, like I said, I already have it!

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Dorin76 said:
Thanks bro, but tren is something I already have. Am holding off until I have ducks of mine in a row. Doing more research, it would appear that it best be un with N2Guad and Cardarine to mitigate negative side effects. Also I note that 50mg a day can be substitute for 50 mg every other day. Did you try it with also running Anavar and Aromasin? What did you not like about tren? I may only do this once, since, like I said, I already have it!

Sorry! Sticking R key! Lol!

raptor1331 · Aug 2, 2016

i wouldn't do 50mg ED... thats pushing it on the very low dose side of things... 200mg is a good starting dose, but i think 300 ish is more solid.

why not work on the bodyfat and run the tren when you become leaner? you'll notice the effects a lot more. I didn't run anything with tren, there wasn't a need to, it worked by itself, its very, very powerful stuff.

if youre going to do my idea, by running your test low, then i would take a very small dose of aromasin, and also some caber. tren is a 19nor which means it effects you prolactin and progesterone levels, which youll need caber/prami to combat. aromasin wont help in that aspect, but keeping your e2 low will help caber sides.

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

Sorry, English not my first language! So your body, goes through dramatic change? A Good one? Is all you did was tren and test? Am only trying to make clear because I understand in all thee is risc, but I prefer not to feel like shit and was told NOT to just do tren and test! Is too hard on live, cholesteol and prolactin both rise and unless you ae taking really good vitamine supplement like N2Guad, You burn through healthy mineals and vitamin way too fast. Also the goal is to keep the gain I get and maintain it! It seem to be tren alone o with onlt test, is very hard on you and am not willing to run alone like this.

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

raptor1331 said:
i wouldn't do 50mg ED... thats pushing it on the very low dose side of things... 200mg is a good starting dose, but i think 300 ish is more solid.

why not work on the bodyfat and run the tren when you become leaner? you'll notice the effects a lot more. I didn't run anything with tren, there wasn't a need to, it worked by itself, its very, very powerful stuff.

if youre going to do my idea, by running your test low, then i would take a very small dose of aromasin, and also some caber. tren is a 19nor which means it effects you prolactin and progesterone levels, which youll need caber/prami to combat. aromasin wont help in that aspect, but keeping your e2 low will help caber sides.

Am more leaning to 50mg Evey Other Day, not daily. Am not ready yet as there are more things I need to acquire. HCGenerate as epot fom others has been said to be almost necessary while on cycle and cardarine by all who use it say it has been a godsend and they would not go without, in particular if you want to keep those gains. Was wrong about body fat content. Am down to 15.6% now from a high of 32.3%! So nearly cut BF in half! Goal now is to add 15/20 lbs more muscle. I do not know much about caber, but fom those who have use both, nearly all say Cardarine is much better option. Like I say, am still doing research and input is appreciate!

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

So if I understand correct, you would do 200 ish tren A daily? 300 max? I do not want to overdo it or waste it.

bamboosolid · Aug 2, 2016

putting all the above to one side, one massive downside of tren is the way it effects your emotions. Some people turn into right f*^kwits, they become totally emotionless, other people believe they develop a god like status and live in a euphoric state of alphaness!

My advice is be extremely careful with tren. Make those around you aware you are using it, especially the mrs (if you have one) because whilst you may not notice s chsnge in your behavior or whilst you may think your behavior is fine, others may not.

Tren can give you some impressive gains in muscle, strength and assist in reducing bodyfat but the emotional roller coaster it takes you on cannot be handled by everyone.

So be careful.

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Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

bamboosolid said:
putting all the above to one side, one massive downside of tren is the way it effects your emotions. Some people turn into right f*^kwits, they become totally emotionless, other people believe they develop a god like status and live in a euphoric state of alphaness!

My advice is be extremely careful with tren. Make those around you aware you are using it, especially the mrs (if you have one) because whilst you may not notice s chsnge in your behavior or whilst you may think your behavior is fine, others may not.

Tren can give you some impressive gains in muscle, strength and assist in reducing bodyfat but the emotional roller coaster it takes you on cannot be handled by everyone.

So be careful.

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That is one thing that bothers me! Now know I am not emotionally unstable, I do not responde to anger with violence easily! Unless you try something stupid, like carjack me! Then the fight is on! Am not married at this time, but am going back to college (Medical school) in two weeks and it will be over a month while I rest and recover from my last cycle of EQ and test to get thinner and build sinew type strength! I have been told Cardaine helps greatly with stability of emotions and should seriously be considered as part of stack!

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Thats Cardarine, not Cardaine! A SARM

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Can I ask, Bamboosolid, you have used it and what roller coaster were you on?

gaintrain87 · Aug 2, 2016

Personally I will not run tren again. On cycle I was fine. It shut me down badly though. Even with the "perfect pct" the pct sucked. My fiance put up with a lot of shit from me and I don't want to put her through again. My sex drive was nil. I feel at your age you should just run 500mg of test a week but since you have the tren...

week 1-10 200mg Tren Per Week
Week 1-10 200mg test per week
week 1-12 12.5mg aromasin eod
then run the perfect pct

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

gaintrain87 said:
Personally I will not run tren again. On cycle I was fine. It shut me down badly though. Even with the "perfect pct" the pct sucked. My fiance put up with a lot of shit from me and I don't want to put her through again. My sex drive was nil. I feel at your age you should just run 500mg of test a week but since you have the tren...

week 1-10 200mg Tren Per Week
Week 1-10 200mg test per week
week 1-12 12.5mg aromasin eod
then run the perfect pct

This is what concerns me most! I do not want my sex drive to shut down! If this is a result or side effect that can not be avoided, I may choose to not run Tren at all! I want the gains, but not at the loss of not being able to have sex with my significant other! And not if it means I am going to have difficulties concentrating on medical school! Was sex something you just did not feel like having? Or was the ability impossibile?

raptor1331 · Aug 2, 2016

i say run it. its tren ace, so if you end up hating it, you can stop and it will be out of your system fast, but some of the information you have collected is just... straight wrong. SARMS are awesome, and they do great stacking with steroid cycles, but saying that they can do things, they cannot, or using them to substitute staples, isnt smart.

you do NOT need to run anything but test, and tren, and i suggest that especially since this is your first time with tren, and trust me, the tren will be enough. adding anything else isnt going to help you, but HURT you. tren is very toxic, taking another steroid into play isnt going to help.

you need caber or prami. Like you, i was going to run my tren without it. but im sure glad i had it on hand, because i tell you what, im very sensitive to progesterone, and i have naturally high e2 levels.

run the test low, the tren at 50mg ED, 5mg of aromasin, and your caber/prami dosed as it shoould be.

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

raptor1331 said:
i say run it. its tren ace, so if you end up hating it, you can stop and it will be out of your system fast, but some of the information you have collected is just... straight wrong. SARMS are awesome, and they do great stacking with steroid cycles, but saying that they can do things, they cannot, or using them to substitute staples, isnt smart.

you do NOT need to run anything but test, and tren, and i suggest that especially since this is your first time with tren, and trust me, the tren will be enough. adding anything else isnt going to help you, but HURT you. tren is very toxic, taking another steroid into play isnt going to help.

you need caber or prami. Like you, i was going to run my tren without it. but im sure glad i had it on hand, because i tell you what, im very sensitive to progesterone, and i have naturally high e2 levels.

run the test low, the tren at 50mg ED, 5mg of aromasin, and your caber/prami dosed as it shoould be.

Ok, then I need Cabergolin first. It will be at least 45 days before I begin this cycle. So you would not run the SARM Cardarine at same time!?

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As well as I need aromasin.

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

Here is whee I got some of my information from, Trenbolone Acetate Cycle: this cycle is with ED – every day – injections, but can be modified for EOD – every other day – injections:
Week Testosterone

Propionate
Trenbolone

Acetate
Anavar Cardarine

GW-501516
Aromasin N2Guard
1 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 40mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
2 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 40mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
3 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 40mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
4 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 40mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
5 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 40mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
6 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 40mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
7 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
8 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
9 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED
10 50mgs/ED 50mgs/ED 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/ED 7caps/ED

Dorin76 · Aug 2, 2016

raptor1331 said:
i say run it. its tren ace, so if you end up hating it, you can stop and it will be out of your system fast, but some of the information you have collected is just... straight wrong. SARMS are awesome, and they do great stacking with steroid cycles, but saying that they can do things, they cannot, or using them to substitute staples, isnt smart.

you do NOT need to run anything but test, and tren, and i suggest that especially since this is your first time with tren, and trust me, the tren will be enough. adding anything else isnt going to help you, but HURT you. tren is very toxic, taking another steroid into play isnt going to help.

you need caber or prami. Like you, i was going to run my tren without it. but im sure glad i had it on hand, because i tell you what, im very sensitive to progesterone, and i have naturally high e2 levels.

run the test low, the tren at 50mg ED, 5mg of aromasin, and your caber/prami dosed as it shoould be.

Thank you for you input! More I find out, the easier I feel about it. Aromasin and Caber on the way!

muskate · Aug 3, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Thank you for you input! More I find out, the easier I feel about it. Aromasin and Caber on the way!

Good man. There are 3 main support supplements you need for a test/tren cycle.
1. An AI to keep estrogen in the low to normal range - aromasin 10mg EOD
2. An anti-prolactin drug - cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
3. Cardarine 20mg/day

Tren is very suppressive of natural testosterone production and at your age, your testosterone won't bounce back easily. Make sure to run a very good PCT protocol after your cycle like the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Dorin76 · Aug 3, 2016

muskate said:
Good man. There are 3 main support supplements you need for a test/tren cycle.
1. An AI to keep estrogen in the low to normal range - aromasin 10mg EOD
2. An anti-prolactin drug - cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
3. Cardarine 20mg/day

Tren is very suppressive of natural testosterone production and at your age, your testosterone won't bounce back easily. Make sure to run a very good PCT protocol after your cycle like the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

THX! My doctor has me on Test replacement therapy (Test Cypionate, 1 ML/week) because of HIV exposure. Long story, but 24 yeas ago I was hit by two cars and have been broken in 216 places! Am looking forward to bringing my Test levels back to normal, which is why I stat this process! I was very overweight and out of shape. I went back to gym, change my diet, add a bit of Red Wine, got bad cholesterol down under 100and good up to 144. Am down now to 196 lbs. after former weight of 252! My testosterone was low before this, which is why am on Test therapy! Now I will get some Cardarine! Thx much guys!

bamboosolid · Aug 3, 2016

hey bud

in short im a pretty passive guy. Very relaxed and emotionally stable, no history of any type of mental illness whatsoever.

On tren I was emotionally vacant. Didn't really connect with anyone. I was highly motivated yet didn't care. I thought I was fine but it was only when I get off and got it out of my system did everything become clear.

If using tren, be aware and be smart.

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Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 3, 2016

Tren is a very harsh compound and should not be taken lightly. I would definitely be doing a lower dose to see how you react. I would run tren around 200mg per week and test somewhere between 200-500mg per week. Everyone is different and some people like tren higher than test and vice versa. Definitely add the things mentioned already...cardarine, caber, aromasin, N2Guard.

Dorin76 · Aug 3, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Tren is a very harsh compound and should not be taken lightly. I would definitely be doing a lower dose to see how you react. I would run tren around 200mg per week and test somewhere between 200-500mg per week. Everyone is different and some people like tren higher than test and vice versa. Definitely add the things mentioned already...cardarine, caber, aromasin, N2Guard.

So would a lower dose of 40mg ED for 5 days and 2 off be ok? Or is it something which needs to be kept at optimum levels by being consistent in using it, like daily? I appreciate all the input, and have head all from emotionally overwhelm feelings about everything to little or nothing at all!

Interesting...... As long as I will be able to concentrate at daytime in class (College student-Medical) I should be fine. I tend to not let my feelings run over the logical in my head, so I do feel ok with that part of this!

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 4, 2016

I would either run it ED or EOD and stick to that. You could start low with 50mg EOD. That would give you roughly 175mg per week. You can adjust up from there if you tolerate it well. It is completely up to you. I think this is a great thread because you are really asking all the questions before just jumping on tren. I wish more guys would do the same.

Dorin76 · Aug 4, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
I would either run it ED or EOD and stick to that. You could start low with 50mg EOD. That would give you roughly 175mg per week. You can adjust up from there if you tolerate it well. It is completely up to you. I think this is a great thread because you are really asking all the questions before just jumping on tren. I wish more guys would do the same.

Well I want to get the maximum benefit out of this possible! Like has been said, use, not abuse! I want the physical enhancement and endurance, but not at expense of self damage. It has been recommended by some one who knows me, to do 100mg Monday and Thursday, 200 mg per week. Is this a reasonable goal or is breaking it down to daily doses easier to tolerate and less of a shock to the system? I have used other physical enhancers befoe, such as EQ, but this is first time with Tren and know this is serios compound to use. Just want to make sure I get what resultă I want out and do it right!

Dorin76 · Aug 4, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
I would either run it ED or EOD and stick to that. You could start low with 50mg EOD. That would give you roughly 175mg per week. You can adjust up from there if you tolerate it well. It is completely up to you. I think this is a great thread because you are really asking all the questions before just jumping on tren. I wish more guys would do the same.

Anyway, I like your idea of 50mg EOD! It sound like a good way to soft stat what is known to be harsh and serios compound! Thx!

LevButlerov · Aug 5, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Well I want to get the maximum benefit out of this possible! Like has been said, use, not abuse! I want the physical enhancement and endurance, but not at expense of self damage. It has been recommended by some one who knows me, to do 100mg Monday and Thursday, 200 mg per week. Is this a reasonable goal or is breaking it down to daily doses easier to tolerate and less of a shock to the system? I have used other physical enhancers befoe, such as EQ, but this is first time with Tren and know this is serios compound to use. Just want to make sure I get what resultă I want out and do it right!

That would depend on the esters. If you are going to use a longer estered version of trenbolone, then daily injections will do nothing but make it inconvenient for you. With the shorter esters you do indeed need more frequent injections, since they will be out of your system much faster.

If you want to make your trenbolone cycle safe, you will need to make sure to be using the proper ancillaries. Trenbolone will increase prolactin levels, and you will need to keep it under control with cabergoline, taken E2D from the first day of the cycle at a dosage of 0.25mgs. Also, it is recommended to stack trenbolone with testosterone, and in such case you will need to stack in there some aromasin. Also, cardarine has a time proven ability to greatly reduce many of trenbolone's side effects without adding any of its own. 10 mgs ED is a good dosages.

gaintrain87 · Aug 5, 2016

Dorin76 said:
This is what concerns me most! I do not want my sex drive to shut down! If this is a result or side effect that can not be avoided, I may choose to not run Tren at all! I want the gains, but not at the loss of not being able to have sex with my significant other! And not if it means I am going to have difficulties concentrating on medical school! Was sex something you just did not feel like having? Or was the ability impossibile?

I was just not interested in it at all! Like if she came on to me and got me hard I could do it but I didn't approach her for sex in the last 2 weeks..

Dorin76 · Aug 5, 2016

gaintrain87 said:
I was just not interested in it at all! Like if she came on to me and got me hard I could do it but I didn't approach her for sex in the last 2 weeks..

Interesting the variations am hearing on people having different side effects! Some claim so horny they wanted to bang everyone in sight! Lol! Did you run Tren Alone or with Auxillaries such as cabe, aromasin and Cardarine?

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I mean, it sound like your prolactin levels were a bit high! Did you run any blood wok?

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Damn sticking R key!

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 5, 2016

The only way you could pin 100mg Monday and Thursday would be if you had tren enanthate, not tren acetate.

Dorin76 · Aug 5, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
The only way you could pin 100mg Monday and Thursday would be if you had tren enanthate, not tren acetate.

That is what I thought, because of short term esters! So it looks like ED o at least soft start with 50 mg EOD!

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 5, 2016

Dorin76 said:
That is what I thought, because of short term esters! So it looks like ED o at least soft start with 50 mg EOD!

It will actually work out better because you can adjust dose and have it take effect quicker.

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Dorin76 · Aug 5, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
It will actually work out better because you can adjust dose and have it take effect quicker.

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Good! Is what I want is maximum benefit and EOD at start makes sense! Just curious, between Dbol and Tren, which would you like better?

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 6, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Good! Is what I want is maximum benefit and EOD at start makes sense! Just curious, between Dbol and Tren, which would you like better?

They are completely different compounds so it would depend on specific goals. Dbol is a an oral that guys usually kick start a cycle with for 4 weeks. It is liver toxic and will add mass and strength very quickly. You will get a ton of water weight with it. Tren is an injectable and an extremely strong and harsh compound. Obviously it is injectable and not something used as a kick start to a cycle. It does have some liver toxicity but not in the same way as a dbol does. Tren can completely change your physique and can be used for cutting or bulking. Dbol is almost always used as a bulking drug.

Those are just some basics. Here are articles explaining the 2 in detail:

http://www.evolutionary.org/dianabol-methandrostenolone
http://www.evolutionary.org/trenbolone

Dorin76 · Aug 6, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
They are completely different compounds so it would depend on specific goals. Dbol is a an oral that guys usually kick start a cycle with for 4 weeks. It is liver toxic and will add mass and strength very quickly. You will get a ton of water weight with it. Tren is an injectable and an extremely strong and harsh compound. Obviously it is injectable and not something used as a kick start to a cycle. It does have some liver toxicity but not in the same way as a dbol does. Tren can completely change your physique and can be used for cutting or bulking. Dbol is almost always used as a bulking drug.

Those are just some basics. Here are articles explaining the 2 in detail:

http://www.evolutionary.org/dianabol-methandrostenolone
http://www.evolutionary.org/trenbolone

Big differences! It sounds like Dbol could be a good kickstart with Tren! Ancillaries here are a definite MUST have because of liver toxicity and estrogen conversion. It would seem like Dbol cycle should be short.

Dorin76 · Aug 13, 2016

bamboosolid said:
putting all the above to one side, one massive downside of tren is the way it effects your emotions. Some people turn into right f*^kwits, they become totally emotionless, other people believe they develop a god like status and live in a euphoric state of alphaness!

My advice is be extremely careful with tren. Make those around you aware you are using it, especially the mrs (if you have one) because whilst you may not notice s chsnge in your behavior or whilst you may think your behavior is fine, others may not.

Tren can give you some impressive gains in muscle, strength and assist in reducing bodyfat but the emotional roller coaster it takes you on cannot be handled by everyone.

So be careful.

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What was you weekly dosing if I may ask?

bamboosolid · Aug 13, 2016

Dorin76 said:
What was you weekly dosing if I may ask?

my dosage was the absolute minimum - 1ml per week split into 2 x 0.5ml servings Monday and Thursday morning.

I can't for the life of me remember if it was tren a or e (ran the cycle end of 2014 / start of 2015) but it would have been a max of 100-200mg per week.

Thing is, its so bloody tempting to run it again but the adverse sides put me off. I have a young family so need to think of them first.

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bamboosolid · Aug 13, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
I would either run it ED or EOD and stick to that. You could start low with 50mg EOD. That would give you roughly 175mg per week. You can adjust up from there if you tolerate it well. It is completely up to you. I think this is a great thread because you are really asking all the questions before just jumping on tren. I wish more guys would do the same.

just want to reiterate the final note from Masonic. Kudos for the thread and all the questions mate. Whatever you end up doing at least you'll be informed.

Good luck and keep us updated with things.

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Dorin76 · Aug 13, 2016

bamboosolid said:
just want to reiterate the final note from Masonic. Kudos for the thread and all the questions mate. Whatever you end up doing at least you'll be informed.

Good luck and keep us updated with things.

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Thanks! Well, all of my ancillaries show up today, so cycle is started! 50mg to begin along with aromasin, Cardarine and Caber pșlus HCGenerate and N2Guard! No feeling yet of aggression (it has been a couple hours) But find myself horny as shit and everything else is hîsterically funny! Is going to be interesting Ride. I decided to stat now since is Tren Ace so if is not to work well for me, it should be mostly out of sîstem of mine when school starts: We will see. So far my energy has shot though roof and am going to sală de sporte gîm to burn off some fuel and lift weights! I let you all know how this goes!

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 13, 2016

Keep this thread updated as a log brother. I'm sure many would follow along.

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Dorin76 · Aug 13, 2016

Ok! Well 3.5 hours at Gym and feel great! Burnt through much energy, but now am hungry!! I push myself on leg pushup to 230 lbs and feel it now, but is just feeling like a good workout. Curious, am not sure if is me? Or is everyone seem to be a bit on comical side! Lol! Any way, ran an eliptical mashine for 45 minut at 9 mile per hour warmup and was not even winded. Heart rate up to 137 and not put of breath! Hmmm... Ok. Barbel bench press of 100lbs. 4 sets of 40 repetition. Am just sort of seeing what feels good and how much further I can go past my normal today! Interesting! Only thing Am in need of now is food! A chicken breast pot pie with carrot, peas, potatoes and green beans sound great about now! Hahaha. Ok, need to go feed!

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Dorin76 · Aug 14, 2016

I feel like am going to sleep really good tonight!

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 14, 2016

That's a monster workout.

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Dorin76 · Aug 14, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
That's a monster workout.

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Yeah, but it feels good! Now if I could get laid some just as hard! Lolololol! Ok, second day and off to gym again. Today Abs and pulldowns!

Dorin76 · Aug 14, 2016

I will say this! I do not seem to have any of side effect others were talking about! Aggression, Cough, Sweats, etc. But is only my second day!

Dorin76 · Aug 14, 2016

Ok! Second day and gym went well! worked on Abs and legs today doing lunges with 50 lbs of weight in each hand. Barbel at neck level going side to side for abs at 50 lbs. 230 lb leg presses. I do have those moments when I happy about pushing it, but if it hurts, I stop or change routine like always! Am grateful for Cardarine and supports for this and they must be working if my libido is still high!

I do feel a difference on Tren, but none of the side effects I have read about that am able to say is from it! Enjoy being around others at gym and it seems like everyone wants to get to know me better since I stat wearing my kilts to gym! If this continues, I may be one of few people who do tolerate Tren well!! Stats: 50 MG Tren EOD, 25 MG Cardarine ED, 10 MG Aromasin EOD, 12.5 MG Caber EOD, 300 MG Test Cypionate Each week, N2Guard ED, Vitamins and Testojack herbs daily! Now if I could find someone to ride for couple hours, it would be nice!! Hahahahahahahaha! Lololololol!

Dorin76 · Aug 14, 2016

Oh, aiming for 200/250 Tren each week.

gearhead · Aug 15, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Ok! Second day and gym went well! worked on Abs and legs today doing lunges with 50 lbs of weight in each hand. Barbel at neck level going side to side for abs at 50 lbs. 230 lb leg presses. I do have those moments when I happy about pushing it, but if it hurts, I stop or change routine like always! Am grateful for Cardarine and supports for this and they must be working if my libido is still high! I do feel a difference on Tren, but none of the side effects I have read about that am able to say is from it! Enjoy being around others at gym and it seems like everyone wants to get to know me better since I stat wearing my kilts to gym! If this continues, I may be one of few people who do tolerate Tren well!! Stats: 50 MG Tren EOD, 25 MG Cardarine ED, 10 MG Aromasin EOD, 12.5 MG Caber EOD, 300 MG Test Cypionate Each week, N2Guard ED, Vitamins and Testojack herbs daily! Now if I could find someone to ride for couple hours, it would be nice!! Hahahahahahahaha! Lololololol!

bro 230 leg press...nice...

Dorin76 · Aug 15, 2016

gearhead said:
bro 230 leg press...nice...

My thighs and calfs are really bulking up! I could break glass on my legs! Lol!

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Dorin76 · Aug 16, 2016

Third day on Tren and so far, none of issues others have reported. 1st day sleep was not so good, but I can not say was because of Tren. I am returning to school and anxiety of this is making it hard to get sleep. Last night though sleep was good and I rest well. Appetite is good and desire for sex and ability is, well, lets say am not of worry here. To school in morning. One thing I have noticed. I can focus a bit better, but it may be to this good excersise am getting. Off today and tomorrrow, back on Wednesday. Strength and energie are good! Ok, mo later. Noapte buna! (Good night)

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 16, 2016

Great update brother. Sounds like you are killing it at the gym. Glad to hear the side effects are staying away!

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Dorin76 · Aug 16, 2016

Am glad too Masonic Bodybuilder! Out of school now until thursday. So upped my dose a bit to 75 MG OED Tren for about 300 MG week. Doing it on days I can spend couple hours at least at gym and make most of it! Today, arms and shoulders, maybe chest! Lets just see how routine goes. First day at school felt great and it eas so good to be back in class pushing my education to next level! So good to see al the friends I graduated with this spring.

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Dorin76 · Aug 16, 2016

Whoa! First time ever!! Leg presse at 270 lbs at 3 sets of 20 reps! I have NEVER done that before!

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Dorin76 · Aug 17, 2016

Last night I slept so well and am always waking up with huge boner! Lololololololol!!! Glad to see me and Tren seem to get along well! Interesting side effect, but I do not know if is Ten o not, but it start at same time cycle began! My ability to focus on details, especially at school is improved! My Cake batter flavoured Whey protein mix is hee along with more N2Guard!

gearhead · Aug 18, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Last night I slept so well and am always waking up with huge boner! Lololololololol!!! Glad to see me and Tren seem to get along well! Interesting side effect, but I do not know if is Ten o not, but it start at same time cycle began! My ability to focus on details, especially at school is improved! My Cake batter flavoured Whey protein mix is hee along with more N2Guard!

brother morning wood rocks....

Dorin76 · Aug 18, 2016

gearhead said:
brother morning wood rocks....

Well it is a body way of telling you, ”Repairs made, sîstem checs ok, batteries fully charged,READY TO PLAY!” Lololololol!!!

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And I am leg pressing 270 lbs! Strength seem to be on rise, along with other things! Hahahahaha

Amanda Whelan · Aug 18, 2016

Trenbolone itself is extremely powerful and cannot convert into Estrogen and carry different esters, shorter ester should stack with short one to reach peak levels in the body faster

Dorin76 · Aug 18, 2016

Amanda Whelan said:
Trenbolone itself is extremely powerful and cannot convert into Estrogen and carry different esters, shorter ester should stack with short one to reach peak levels in the body faster

I understand what you are saying, but my doctor has me on TRT and my prescription is for Test Cypionate.

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Dorin76 · Aug 19, 2016

One question I keep forgetting to ask, this is Tren Ace, so does it have a cumulative effect in body the longer is being used even though is a short ester? In other words does it really begin working more actively after a certain period of time? I know some will have to be run for long periods because of long esters. Am eally glad I have not seem to experience any of the negative side effects! Tren and I seem to get along and I can feel it working. Not to mention waking up with a morning wood I could use as base ball bat! Lolololol!!

B.Swollerson · Aug 19, 2016

gaintrain87 said:
Personally I will not run tren again. On cycle I was fine. It shut me down badly though. Even with the "perfect pct" the pct sucked. My fiance put up with a lot of shit from me and I don't want to put her through again. My sex drive was nil. I feel at your age you should just run 500mg of test a week but since you have the tren...

week 1-10 200mg Tren Per Week
Week 1-10 200mg test per week
week 1-12 12.5mg aromasin eod
then run the perfect pct

Had the same issue last I ran tren. I had the most solid gains strength and bulk that I have ever realized. Shutdown afterwards was unbearable. IF I run again I would run with Proviron during and post. And propabaly Tren A. Tren E was my biggest mistake ever with AAS.

Dorin76 · Aug 20, 2016

B.Swollerson said:
Had the same issue last I ran tren. I had the most solid gains strength and bulk that I have ever realized. Shutdown afterwards was unbearable. IF I run again I would run with Proviron during and post. And propabaly Tren A. Tren E was my biggest mistake ever with AAS.

My sex drive is quite good! Gains are coming aling and I can feel fizical changes. Dictor of mine put me on TRT 1.5 years before I start any of this. I have noticed my hair is growing much thicker even on my head. We see what happens!

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Dorin76 · Aug 20, 2016

Doctor! Damn auto correct!

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B.Swollerson · Aug 20, 2016

Are you still on or post? My drive was GTG for a while, but again it was enanthate so was a while before it was out of my system. On top of that I was doing Test E as well and ran out of tamoxifen. My source had disappeared a while before but I didnt think there was a need to worry as I had a domestic, but not for the PCT. Anyway, it took me a while to realize I was experiencing shutdown so far as drive issues but when I did, I had already been suffering depression and other sides for almost a month.

Dorin76 · Aug 20, 2016

I just started last week and will go for a few more weeks. I alread y have most of my pct and testosterone is from my doctor. No worries about running out of that!

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B.Swollerson · Aug 20, 2016

Gotcha. Yeah I'll get test rx again soon but out of work due to back surgery so for now its all natty. Which is fine I am cutting right now anyway and my metabolism has never had an issue with that.

B.Swollerson · Aug 20, 2016

Tren is def good for the wood. I just dont ever want to experience shutdown like I did that once. Was early on in my experience though and I now realize several mistakes I made for sure. On cycle I ttok to tren great. No sides, no issue at all other than driving my girl nuts. I slept well too which is unheard of for me with the disk issues. IDK, maybe I'll try low dose tren a next cycle just to see. I dont imagine I will ever touch tren e again in my life but only because I dont want the gains anymore. I packed on 3 lbs a day many days on that shit!

Dorin76 · Aug 20, 2016

B.Swollerson said:
Tren is def good for the wood. I just dont ever want to experience shutdown like I did that once. Was early on in my experience though and I now realize several mistakes I made for sure. On cycle I ttok to tren great. No sides, no issue at all other than driving my girl nuts. I slept well too which is unheard of for me with the disk issues. IDK, maybe I'll try low dose tren a next cycle just to see. I dont imagine I will ever touch tren e again in my life but only because I dont want the gains anymore. I packed on 3 lbs a day many days on that shit!

3 lbs a day????? Whoa! Am running 400 MG a week! And am not gaining aby where near that?!!

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Dorin76 · Aug 20, 2016

B.Swollerson said:
Tren is def good for the wood. I just dont ever want to experience shutdown like I did that once. Was early on in my experience though and I now realize several mistakes I made for sure. On cycle I ttok to tren great. No sides, no issue at all other than driving my girl nuts. I slept well too which is unheard of for me with the disk issues. IDK, maybe I'll try low dose tren a next cycle just to see. I dont imagine I will ever touch tren e again in my life but only because I dont want the gains anymore. I packed on 3 lbs a day many days on that shit!

I do not blame you on Tren E! I think maybe my saving grace could be Ten Ace, which is a short ester that is out of you sîstem faster! Anyway, if you are getting those gains, then I need to work harder at the Gym! Am very concern about side effects, which is why I asked my questions and made sue I had my ancillaries!!

muskate · Aug 21, 2016

B.Swollerson said:
Tren is def good for the wood. I just dont ever want to experience shutdown like I did that once. Was early on in my experience though and I now realize several mistakes I made for sure. On cycle I ttok to tren great. No sides, no issue at all other than driving my girl nuts. I slept well too which is unheard of for me with the disk issues. IDK, maybe I'll try low dose tren a next cycle just to see. I dont imagine I will ever touch tren e again in my life but only because I dont want the gains anymore. I packed on 3 lbs a day many days on that shit!

Tren is a very harsh compound and very suppressive of natural testosterone production. It is a very effective steroid to use but you need to make sure you run a very good PCT after each cycle that contains tren to ensure you recover properly.

I recommend the perfect PCT protocol after each cycle, especially if the cycle contained tren -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Dorin76 · Aug 21, 2016

muskate said:
Tren is a very harsh compound and very suppressive of natural testosterone production. It is a very effective steroid to use but you need to make sure you run a very good PCT after each cycle that contains tren to ensure you recover properly.

I recommend the perfect PCT protocol after each cycle, especially if the cycle contained tren -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Here is what am doing now. Ok, first, lets make sure we are on same scale! Caber is list @ 0.25 mg/mL. (250 mcg) Am at 0.25 mg/250mcg EOD. Aromasin list at 15mg/mL. Am at 10 mg EOD. Cadarine list 20mg/mL. Am at 20mg ED. Ostarine list 50mg/mL. Am at 25mg ED. Tren at 400mg/week. Test cypionate (doctor ordered) 200mg/mL each week EXCEPT when training, then 400mg each week. Liver support as N2Guad and various herb found at local health food store which is very good! Labs done regularly. Previous Health condition? Accident victim, broken in over 200 places. Hit by 2 cars, first one thew me 35 feet into air and secund one I go under for 60/75 feet. Am rebuilding from that even though was years ago...............................

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 21, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Here is what am doing now. Ok, first, lets make sure we are on same scale! Caber is list @ 0.25 mg/mL. (250 mcg) Am at 0.25 mg/250mcg EOD. Aromasin list at 15mg/mL. Am at 10 mg EOD. Cadarine list 20mg/mL. Am at 20mg ED. Ostarine list 50mg/mL. Am at 25mg ED. Tren at 400mg/week. Test cypionate (doctor ordered) 200mg/mL each week EXCEPT when training, then 400mg each week. Liver support as N2Guad and various herb found at local health food store which is very good! Labs done regularly. Previous Health condition? Accident victim, broken in over 200 places. Hit by 2 cars, first one thew me 35 feet into air and secund one I go under for 60/75 feet. Am rebuilding from that even though was years ago...............................

Looks like all your dosing protocols are where they should be.

Dorin76 · Aug 21, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Looks like all your dosing protocols are where they should be.

Thanks! Is helpful to know. So far, I got Sarms from sarms one, Caber and aromasin from Ag Guys. I can not say anything against them since I do not have comparison at moment to use as point in reference. All I can say is all seem to be functioning normal. Libido intact, no gyno, energie and endurance is good and fat slowly coming off and muscle going on. After what I go though, my body tells me is nothing harmful going on and next set of lab result will provide analysis to go on. So far biggest thing I can say îs it seem I do not have negativ side effect from Tren to deal with!!! No anger, arrogant, strange emotions, sleep disorder, sweating unless I really work hard, wake with boner like baseball bat, appetite is good, and one I did not expect, being able to concentrate is little better.

LevButlerov · Aug 22, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Thanks! Is helpful to know. So far, I got Sarms from sarms one, Caber and aromasin from Ag Guys. I can not say anything against them since I do not have comparison at moment to use as point in reference. All I can say is all seem to be functioning normal. Libido intact, no gyno, energie and endurance is good and fat slowly coming off and muscle going on. After what I go though, my body tells me is nothing harmful going on and next set of lab result will provide analysis to go on. So far biggest thing I can say îs it seem I do not have negativ side effect from Tren to deal with!!! No anger, arrogant, strange emotions, sleep disorder, sweating unless I really work hard, wake with boner like baseball bat, appetite is good, and one I did not expect, being able to concentrate is little better.

In such case, it seems that all the ancillaries are working and you are using the right dosages. Good to know that everything is going as it should - keep hitting it hard, and keep us posted.

Jay Scott · Aug 22, 2016

Dorin76 said:
I do not blame you on Tren E! I think maybe my saving grace could be Ten Ace, which is a short ester that is out of you sîstem faster! Anyway, if you are getting those gains, then I need to work harder at the Gym! Am very concern about side effects, which is why I asked my questions and made sue I had my ancillaries!!

Dont forget tren can mess up your head if you are hot-tempered

Dorin76 · Aug 22, 2016

Jay Scott said:
Dont forget tren can mess up your head if you are hot-tempered

I think is true oslf any of them, but Tren in particular because is so strong! Am fortunate! I do mot seem to have those side effects!

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Dorin76 · Aug 22, 2016

Side effect am not expecting!!

Ok, one side effect I did not expect! I have turned into a walking hormone! I get morning wood! At lunch am at cafe in College looking at all hottie things and lunch time wood! Afternoon wood happens as we are exchanging classes and in walmart parcing lot this olde woman hit he bakes when I was walking back to my motorcycle in a black kilt and lets just say that went well! LOLOLOLOL! But anger? No. Hostility? No. Emotion roller coaster? No. Horny a lot? YOU BET!! And plenty of baby batter to accomodate. And yes, workout is very good too! I can feel muscle going on! Now I just need a bit more......................you know, more often............

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Damn sticking R key!!

bamboosolid · Aug 23, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Ok, one side effect I did not expect! I have turned into a walking hormone! I get morning wood! At lunch am at cafe in College looking at all hottie things and lunch time wood! Afternoon wood happens as we are exchanging classes and in walmart parcing lot this olde woman hit he bakes when I was walking back to my motorcycle in a black kilt and lets just say that went well! LOLOLOLOL! But anger? No. Hostility? No. Emotion roller coaster? No. Horny a lot? YOU BET!! And plenty of baby batter to accomodate. And yes, workout is very good too! I can feel muscle going on! Now I just need a bit more......................you know, more often............

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Damn sticking R key!!

hahaahahhaha nice bro. So all people need to worry about is being jabbed in the eye from your wood! lol

keep the updates coming

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LevButlerov · Aug 23, 2016

Yeah, this is one great side effect of steroids that I love! It really does get you crazy about sex. I remember my first time - I was literally craving for sex, even though I did have regular sex. This is one nice thing about roids.

stevesmi · Aug 23, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Ok, one side effect I did not expect! I have turned into a walking hormone! I get morning wood! At lunch am at cafe in College looking at all hottie things and lunch time wood! Afternoon wood happens as we are exchanging classes and in walmart parcing lot this olde woman hit he bakes when I was walking back to my motorcycle in a black kilt and lets just say that went well! LOLOLOLOL! But anger? No. Hostility? No. Emotion roller coaster? No. Horny a lot? YOU BET!! And plenty of baby batter to accomodate. And yes, workout is very good too! I can feel muscle going on! Now I just need a bit more......................you know, more often............

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Damn sticking R key!!

it is because tren is an androgen which also affects your dopamine levels

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 23, 2016

Seems like you are getting all the positive effects of tren and none of the negatives. Take it and run with it brother...just keep that boner under control or you will hurt someone!

Dorin76 · Aug 23, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Seems like you are getting all the positive effects of tren and none of the negatives. Take it and run with it brother...just keep that boner under control or you will hurt someone!

Hahahahahaha!! Oh to be so lucky being on college campus and and in good shape looking like 35 where you have been told you are cute guy! Lololol

muskate · Aug 23, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Ok, one side effect I did not expect! I have turned into a walking hormone! I get morning wood! At lunch am at cafe in College looking at all hottie things and lunch time wood! Afternoon wood happens as we are exchanging classes and in walmart parcing lot this olde woman hit he bakes when I was walking back to my motorcycle in a black kilt and lets just say that went well! LOLOLOLOL! But anger? No. Hostility? No. Emotion roller coaster? No. Horny a lot? YOU BET!! And plenty of baby batter to accomodate. And yes, workout is very good too! I can feel muscle going on! Now I just need a bit more......................you know, more often............

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Damn sticking R key!!

Just remember to practice safe sex and don't do anything stupid like getting someone pregnant lol. Otherwise that tren cycle might end up costing you thousands in child support...

Dorin76 · Aug 23, 2016

muskate said:
Just remember to practice safe sex and don't do anything stupid like getting someone pregnant lol. Otherwise that tren cycle might end up costing you thousands in child support...

Got it! Trust me, desire does not run over my brains!

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Jay Scott · Aug 24, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Ok, one side effect I did not expect! I have turned into a walking hormone! I get morning wood! At lunch am at cafe in College looking at all hottie things and lunch time wood! Afternoon wood happens as we are exchanging classes and in walmart parcing lot this olde woman hit he bakes when I was walking back to my motorcycle in a black kilt and lets just say that went well! LOLOLOLOL! But anger? No. Hostility? No. Emotion roller coaster? No. Horny a lot? YOU BET!! And plenty of baby batter to accomodate. And yes, workout is very good too! I can feel muscle going on! Now I just need a bit more......................you know, more often............

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Damn sticking R key!!

Dont get too excited, as once you come off, you will get that spaghetti thing going on, haha

Dorin76 · Aug 24, 2016

Jay Scott said:
Dont get too excited, as once you come off, you will get that spaghetti thing going on, haha

Am sure am going to see changes. How much? Not sure, but I have had more energies and higher sex drive than most my age. I think is that Eastern Europe thing! To be same ss this? Likely not, but îs going to be of interest to see what PCT is like! I have a feeling is not going to be as hard for me since am not really getting negative side effects as much as others. But hei! Follow this log and you all going to find out!! Dorîn

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LevButlerov · Aug 25, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Am sure am going to see changes. How much? Not sure, but I have had more energies and higher sex drive than most my age. I think is that Eastern Europe thing! To be same ss this? Likely not, but îs going to be of interest to see what PCT is like! I have a feeling is not going to be as hard for me since am not really getting negative side effects as much as others. But hei! Follow this log and you all going to find out!! Dorîn

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Well, as long as you run a proper PCT protocl, the libido should still be there. Obviously, it won't be as good as with steroids, but you will be able to keep it at a normal level at least.

Dorin76 · Aug 25, 2016

LevButlerov said:
Well, as long as you run a proper PCT protocl, the libido should still be there. Obviously, it won't be as good as with steroids, but you will be able to keep it at a normal level at least.

And am to be very satisface with normal drive of mine! I do nituce with EQ, which my last cycle was including test, I felt like Champion race horse! This is different.

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Dorin76 · Aug 25, 2016

Dorin76 said:
And am to be very satisface with normal drive of mine! I do notice with EQ, which my last cycle was including test, I felt like Champion race horse! This is different.

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stevesmi · Aug 25, 2016

PCT is very important.

dont skimp on it

Dorin76 · Aug 25, 2016

stevesmi said:
PCT is very important.

dont skimp on it

Am not! Trust me with this!

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muskate · Aug 25, 2016

As everyone else mentioned, tren is an extremely powerful and effective steroid - but also very suppressive of natural testosterone production. Make sure to run a good PCT afterwards. I recommend the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 25, 2016

Looking forward to hearing how you have physically changed as well. I will continue to follow along especially through PCT.

Dorin76 · Aug 25, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Looking forward to hearing how you have physically changed as well. I will continue to follow along especially through PCT.

I keep you and every one else informed!

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Dorin76 · Aug 29, 2016

Couple of questions now! 1. Is there any way to make favourite font of mine, Times New Roman, my default? Lol! and 2. My schedule is about to change in Octombrie/Octobe, I will have classes Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday! :-/ But I will stay with my workout program, but this is going to be interesting!

muskate · Aug 30, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Couple of questions now! 1. Is there any way to make favourite font of mine, Times New Roman, my default? Lol! and 2. My schedule is about to change in Octombrie/Octobe, I will have classes Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday! :-/ But I will stay with my workout program, but this is going to be interesting!

I'm not sure about the font. I have been on the board for over 5 years and didn't even know you could change fonts until now lol.

You learn something new everyday...

Jay Scott · Aug 30, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Couple of questions now! 1. Is there any way to make favourite font of mine, Times New Roman, my default? Lol! and 2. My schedule is about to change in Octombrie/Octobe, I will have classes Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday! :-/ But I will stay with my workout program, but this is going to be interesting!

Usually you need to type in command with your messages. So what is the second question though?

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 30, 2016

What is your current schedule vs what it will be? And also what will be changing (training times, injection days, etc). Just trying to see how this will impact your cycle. How is the tren by the way?

Dorin76 · Aug 30, 2016

Masonic Bodybuilder said:
What is your current schedule vs what it will be? And also what will be changing (training times, injection days, etc). Just trying to see how this will impact your cycle. How is the tren by the way?

Tren has been great! Am actually very pleased am mot having abnormal side effects that are negative!! Emotional, irritations, all things I get warned about? None! Am currently in school tuesday, thursday and fruday for classes. Wendsday, satirday, sunda and monday currently free, but will be required to atrend additional learning on sunday, 12 hour days to start at beginning of Octobere. So is going to be wendsday, friday saturday, sunday an monday I can pin and workout for one more month at this schedule. Just trying to keep a workout and school balance!

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LevButlerov · Aug 31, 2016

Dorin76 said:
Tren has been great! Am actually very pleased am mot having abnormal side effects that are negative!! Emotional, irritations, all things I get warned about? None! Am currently in school tuesday, thursday and fruday for classes. Wendsday, satirday, sunda and monday currently free, but will be required to atrend additional learning on sunday, 12 hour days to start at beginning of Octobere. So is going to be wendsday, friday saturday, sunday an monday I can pin and workout for one more month at this schedule. Just trying to keep a workout and school balance!

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I am glad that you are not experiencing any side effects with trenbolone. However, don't let this fool you, and never forget to use all the proper ancillaries on future cycles, as these side effects are some unpredictable fuckers. They can appear on one cycle, but not on another cycle. Therefore, you should always take all the necessary precaution measures.

Dorin76 · Aug 31, 2016

LevButlerov said:
I am glad that you are not experiencing any side effects with trenbolone. However, don't let this fool you, and never forget to use all the proper ancillaries on future cycles, as these side effects are some unpredictable fuckers. They can appear on one cycle, but not on another cycle. Therefore, you should always take all the necessary precaution measures.

Oh yes! Am quite sure am not having a lot of side effects because I have proper accessories! One thing am very glad it does not do! Keep me from gettn good night sleep! Oh and the other most important! It dors not keep me from being horny or unable to get erection. And am growing hair on my bald spot on my head!!

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