HCG timing

[Rm1968nj]

I've read arguments on why HCG should be taken the day before, the day and the day after your test shot .... I'm doing 60mg tbol ed and doing 350 sust e3d .., does it really matter when I do the HCG? I'm thinking to make it easy just to do it on Mondays and Fridays because doing the T every 3rd day the shots always on different days every week ... Thoughts?


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[scoopdaloop]

Ya those arguments revolve around keeping your bloods stable. I've run my HCG pins on the same days and also 3 days apart from my test pins. I noticed no difference and bloods were always fine.

What IU are you thinking of running?

 

[Rm1968nj]

250 twice per week ... So you think pinning the HCG Mon and Fri should be cool?


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[LevButlerov]

Yeah, it is cool to pin it this way.

But it is not cool to use HCG - it is poisonous extract from pregnant female urine, which can cause multiple side effects, including permanent suppression. Read this article, it will be of interest to you - http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

Better use HCGenerate ES - it has the same positive effects, but unlike HCG, it is made of natural ingredients only, and has no side effects. In addition, it comes in tabs, which saves you quite some injections.

HCG is an old-school agent that was used in back in the days due to lack of alternatives. However, the progress did not stop, and new alternatives have appeared, such as HCGenerate ES.

 

[dreckis604]

Yeah, it is cool to pin it this way.

But it is not cool to use HCG - it is poisonous extract from pregnant female urine, which can cause multiple side effects, including permanent suppression. Read this article, it will be of interest to you - http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

Better use HCGenerate ES - it has the same positive effects, but unlike HCG, it is made of natural ingredients only, and has no side effects. In addition, it comes in tabs, which saves you quite some injections.

HCG is an old-school agent that was used in back in the days due to lack of alternatives. However, the progress did not stop, and new alternatives have appeared, such as HCGenerate ES.

Stop trying to push HCGenerate HCG is a very solid choice to run I'll trust my endo

 

[stevesmi]

^^^^ nobody uses hcg anymore bro. your endo is living 20 years in the past.

do your own homework on these drugs you put in your body instead of relying on doctors who are brainwashed by big pharma

do you realize for example that hcg is suppressive? that it spikes estrogen?

i don't understand the logic for taking hcg, totally unnecessary unless it is between cycle and pct where you want a little T boost before you start PCT

 

[BASE]

It really isn't suppressing anything if you use it correctly. I mean if you aren't already suppressed, then why the hell would you take it?

 

[twistedtanker]

It really isn't suppressing anything if you use it correctly. I mean if you aren't already suppressed, then why the hell would you take it?

That's what I was thinking but I'm going to read the artical that Lev posted because any information is worth reading because you might just learn something, thanks Lev

 

[stevesmi]

It really isn't suppressing anything if you use it correctly. I mean if you aren't already suppressed, then why the hell would you take it?

1. there is no way to use it without suppression. it mimics LH.
2. if you are running anabolic steroids you will be suppressed, there isn't a magic way to avoid that by taking hcg. this myth needs to stop as it is 100% wrong .. I think people base it on the fact their balls plump up on the stuff. all that means is the testes are being tricked by LH to work. but the pituitary glands are not functioning at all

 

[scoopdaloop]

Ya HCG in low doses is not going to suppress anything.

That article on Evo has no sources... as far as I'm concerned it is worth nothing. How can you trust an online article with no listed sources? That is like taking financial advice from a drunk hobo at Walmart.

I can represent several articles showing the benefits of HCG use. More than happy to post them. I'm talking scientific, doctors, empirical evidence not bro science.

Not trying to start an argument... I think most people on here just agree to disagree. If HCGenerate works for you, great... If HCG works for you, great...

 

[Rm1968nj]

Is hcgenerate something you take everyday or does 1 pill equate to 1 shot ... Meaning if your doing 2 shots of hcg per week would you only take 2 pills per week?


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[PK2]

Ha Ha That's Funny..
HCGENERATE is not Hcg and cannot replace it.. I'm tired of hearing this BS..

 

[stevesmi]

Ya HCG in low doses is not going to suppress anything. ...

I posted a board challenge on here a year ago betting anyone, any amount of money they can borrow and get that hcg is suppressive .. as in LH will drop when you use hcg.

I have yet to have a single person show up to challenge me on that bet. are you willing to be the first?

it would be a simple process of running hcg for 2 weeks alone and taking pre and post blood work.

it is amazing to me how many people have absolutely no clue what compounds do in their bodies, yet they take them anyway. boggles the mind to be honest

 

[PK2]

Hcg can fuck your shit up if you dose it all crazy.. I'd simply pin like Steve said, in between last pin and pct... I've never used it on cycle..

 

[stevesmi]

Ha Ha That's Funny..
HCGENERATE is not Hcg and cannot replace it.. I'm tired of hearing this BS..

and nobody claimed hcg is the same thing.. hcg is a drug, hcgenerate is a natural herbal formula.

hcgenerate will help normalize cholesterol levels. hcg does not
hcgenerate does not spike estrogen. hcg will
both will help plump your balls by stimulating the testes so they are similar in that respect
hcgenerate is safe to run during pct, hcg is not.
hcgenerate contains herbs that will promote testicular and libido health, hcg does not
hcg SUPPRESSES LH and FSH, hcgenerate ES contains mucuna which actually causes LH to rise and prolactin to drop

do you know how many guys have gotten gyno from hcg use? google it. it happens all the time. and the funny thing is they had no clue that hcg spikes estrogen because they followed some internet guru's pct protocol.. how does spiking estrogen during pct help you at all? it doesn't. high estrogen actually makes it difficult for the HPTA to function correctly. so why people use it in pct is the dumbest idea ever

 

[PK2]

Damn, I just typed out of huge response and my app keeps crashing... Anybody having this issue with Tapatalk?

I'll get a response written up here soon..

 

[stevesmi]

btw before anyone is dumb enough to take my bet google "does taking hcg lower LH" and spend some time reading up on what you are putting in your body.

I really don't want to take anyone's money on here but sometimes it is for a persons own good to learn their lesson the hard way.

I have to LOL at the people who post those threads who take hcg and then do blood work and ask that question. as if a compound that mimics LH in the body wouldn't suppress the bodies own LH production. this is basic fucking knowledge that you should know before ever touching anything and I am sick and tired of reading people post and hurt others.

during pct you want LH to rise, you don't want to suppress things. makes absolutely zero sense and you are screwing people over when you make false claims about what things do

so yes hcg is SUPPRESSIVE even in low doses. that would be like claiming testosterone isn't suppressive in low doses. you take any amount of hormones you will become suppressed period. whether it is 100mg a week or 2000mg a week, the body still recognizes exogenous hormones

 

[PK2]

I agree with most of what you said...
I'll type out another response later, to lazy to type it all out now..

But the bottom line is, you should really know what your using, why your using it, the effects and sides it will pose and so on..

 

[PK2]

And how to use it properly

 

[BASE]

Steve after reading more of your posts I don't really disagree with much of anything you say, but I don't understand the suppression angle at all. I just wonder why in hell anyone who is shut down from AAS would worry about being suppressed by hCG? My statement about hCG not suppressing is based on the assumption that you are taking it during cycle or TRT (why else would you?)Your HPTA should already be shut down. I know through bloodwork that immediately after starting every cycle my LH & FSH were flatlined. If I can wake up half of HPTA (my nuts), or keep them from ever shutting down in the first place then why wouldn't I?

Taking it correctly throughout the cycle should not induce any significant spike in estradiol. Blasting it and trying to play catch up probably would. I just don't see the logic in that approach though. Why wait for your nuts to shrivel up and then try and reverse it later? Even worse are the guys that take it during PCT (why the fuck?), maybe this is when suppression would be an issue...

 

[dreckis604]

Steve after reading more of your posts I don't really disagree with much of anything you say, but I don't understand the suppression angle at all. I just wonder why in hell anyone who is shut down from AAS would worry about being suppressed by hCG? My statement about hCG not suppressing is based on the assumption that you are taking it during cycle or TRT (why else would you?)Your HPTA should already be shut down. I know through bloodwork that immediately after starting every cycle my LH & FSH were flatlined. If I can wake up half of HPTA (my nuts), or keep them from ever shutting down in the first place then why wouldn't I?

Taking it correctly throughout the cycle should not induce any significant spike in estradiol. Blasting it and trying to play catch up probably would. I just don't see the logic in that approach though. Why wait for your nuts to shrivel up and then try and reverse it later? Even worse are the guys that take it during PCT (why the fuck?), maybe this is when suppression would be an issue...

there's a reason Endo's are running TRT with HCG to preserve fertility. I highly doubt my doctor would prescribe this off bro science and or random anecdotal evidence he found on the web... infact I've been on TRT for over a year now and have my sperm quality check just 1 months ago becasue i'm only 30 and want to have a child soon. Perfectly healthy sperm count and thats because of HCG.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ the reason your doc has you using it is because it mimics LH. next time you go to him sit down with him and ask him candidly how hcg works. see if he can explain it to you.. if he can't, then I would find another doctor

never take a drug just because your doctor gives it to you. do your own homework.

 

[dreckis604]

^^^ the reason your doc has you using it is because it mimics LH. next time you go to him sit down with him and ask him candidly how hcg works. see if he can explain it to you.. if he can't, then I would find another doctor

disagree.... My endo is actually one of the best in Canada and a simple search on his name proves he's one of the best in North America ill trust him.

 

[dreckis604]

But to each of their own.... I just don't want to see someone drop HCG for a natural source of HCGenerate when they do entirely different things.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ you disagree with what? that hcg mimics LH?

then how does it work then ? magic?

 

[stevesmi]

Steve after reading more of your posts I don't really disagree with much of anything you say, but I don't understand the suppression angle at all. I just wonder why in hell anyone who is shut down from AAS would worry about being suppressed by hCG? My statement about hCG not suppressing is based on the assumption that you are taking it during cycle or TRT (why else would you?)Your HPTA should already be shut down. I know through bloodwork that immediately after starting every cycle my LH & FSH were flatlined. If I can wake up half of HPTA (my nuts), or keep them from ever shutting down in the first place then why wouldn't I?

Taking it correctly throughout the cycle should not induce any significant spike in estradiol. Blasting it and trying to play catch up probably would. I just don't see the logic in that approach though. Why wait for your nuts to shrivel up and then try and reverse it later? Even worse are the guys that take it during PCT (why the fuck?), maybe this is when suppression would be an issue...

I'm not against using hcg. I'm against people who use hcg or any compound and who have no fucking clue what it does. but they just take it anyway. in 99% of cases it is totally unnecessary and counter productive.

 

[BASE]

Haha. One of my TRT docs told me it would "wake up my brain". I asked WTF? He was firmly of the belief that the stuff acted on the pituitary and caused it to secrete more LH. I tried explaining that it was a close enough analogue to LH that it just spoofed my nuts into working, he wouldn't go for it. We parted ways with each of us believing the other was a dumbass. I wouldn't expect anything more out of a PC, but someone who just does TRT...

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ that doctor is an idiot. and this is why people should do their own homework

to dreckis: hcg works by mimicking LH which tricks the testes (leydig cells) to produce testosterone which then converts to estrogen. it does NOT work by stimulating the pituitary glands whatsoever, in fact it bypasses it. you can disagree all you want, but that is how the stuff actually works. I hope your doctor has you on an AI btw.

 

[scoopdaloop]

I don't think anyone was arguing HCG was a good idea during PCT... on cycle use only <500iu week.


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[PTPT]

Hcg is definitely suppressive. There is tons of data supporting this and it's why you never run it during pct.