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As a side note, when I try higher strength for the first Time, I mix the hormone with the BB and let it sit for a day, if it crashes, slowly increase till it holds. Now you know what a good place to start and have the volumes to finish the formulas, the carrier can have a slight effect to cause it to crash, save a lot of heart break.......a method I have found effective. .....j
 
appalachiancriminal said:
Krazieone
You ever do samples or even not samples?
I have read through the nearly 400 pgs and you seem to be the most experienced.
Keep the posts coming. Great info!
AC
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lol....... sorry bud but you clearly havent read through all 400 pages, no disrespect to him, and requesting raw sources with 37 posts.... GTFO bro. Take a hike.
 
and btw, kraize is gone. You just fuckin reak of LE to me and I dont know why.... perhaps its your name mixed with the bull shit
 
appalachiancriminal said:
Krazieone
You ever do samples or even not samples?
I have read through the nearly 400 pgs and you seem to be the most experienced.
Keep the posts coming. Great info!
AC
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Sources have been mentioned plenty of times in this thread. Need to look around a bit more. No one will just hand you a sourcw
 
Fellas can someone please point me in the direction of what to buy for a basic Test starter kit.
Hoping to brew and save myself some cash as I am a newlywed and the wife doesn't mind the chemistry as much as the consistent price tags
 
Do you have some sort of fume hood? All of the process can be done in a small space, like a fume hood to help control environmental conserns. Vial sizes I would think would be what you are accustomed to useing......j
 
appalachiancriminal said:
Fellas can someone please point me in the direction of what to buy for a basic Test starter kit.
Hoping to band save myself some cash as I am a newlywed and the wife doesn't mind the chemistry as much as the consistent price tags
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I got all my bits of amazon and eBay. Worked out pretty cheap. Sterile vials are easy to find but I always get raped with shipping charges.
 
caveman72 said:
hey brother brewers I need a second. my recipe for deca is 5% on both BA and bb. is this seem normal I heard its easy I've only did prop and primo A. this should be the easy at 200mg.

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hey brotha, nah no reason to go 5-5, lower that BA, just do 1.5 or 2%, which ever you prefer or are comfortable with on the BA and 5%BB, honestly the BB you could use at whatever % you want according to your likings really, want it thinner? sure maybe should bump it up to 8 or 10% and even use EO if you'd like... I personally do... just for thinner silk like injections. but your call brother, use whatever % you'd like on the deca. wish I saw this earlier man my bad.
 
Um, I am by no means a new brewer, here. Seen 5+batches of raw tren come in from my supplier. Always lab maxed good, always worked good. This batch has thrown me for a doozy though. The powder has a GREEN tinge to it. Yes green, who's seen this? It labmaxes picture perfect compared to the labmax site and all other batches I've had. But wtf?

I'm going to leave a gram sitting out in the air for a couple days. Maybe 100% fresh tren has a small green tint before it starts oxidizing? IDK
 
brought a little bit up to melting temp and let it cool. Normal orange tint tren e, fecking weird. Good labmax+normal color after applying heat='s I'm going for it
 
Normal tren powder smell. Just brewed it up and its that perfect golden tren color. No clue if it's lack of oxidation or what that caused a green tint, but feck it. Lets hope that it isn't estrogen mixed in or something crazy lol(I've heard rumors that some suppliers sold off some estro powder as mast e)
 
Funny, estradial has the exact same labmax colors as tren lol. I highly doubt it just happens to smell/turn yellow after hitting it's melting point though
 
Yes that would suck, good to stay up to date on all of the bad things that can be added, and how to spot it. Sounds like it is good, I have not batched up tren as of yet, so this is great info......j
 
nah man I dont think you should use that, perhaps consider this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-PURE-...Health_Beauty_Skincare_PP&hash=item27be82e131

Now look and read closely to why I say that, report back yea? Return that one and tell them you simply chose the wrong one..

As for the green tren E, I know i've seen this somewhere brotha and I cant recall what the take was on the shit to be honest. One thing id def. suggest is contacting your source and asking them why the fuck they sent you green tea powder lol, send them a picture of yourself saying (in a Boston accent) "Does it look like im trying to have some sort of god dam picnic to you? Like its fuckin some sorta tea time over here? what is this... now send me what I ordered before come over there and throw your little 4 foot nothin ass, right through the god dam window...understand me?"


hahahaha ahhh fuckin BORED AS FUCK! fuck this.... Gimi his number ill call for you... haha
 
BuryMeBig said:
nah man I dont think you should use that, perhaps consider this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-PURE-...Health_Beauty_Skincare_PP&hash=item27be82e131

Now look and read closely to why I say that, report back yea? Return that one and tell them you simply chose the wrong one..

As for the green tren E, I know i've seen this somewhere brotha and I cant recall what the take was on the shit to be honest. One thing id def. suggest is contacting your source and asking them why the fuck they sent you green tea powder lol, send them a picture of yourself saying (in a Boston accent) "Does it look like im trying to have some sort of god dam picnic to you? Like its fuckin some sorta tea time over here? what is this... now send me what I ordered before come over there and throw your little 4 foot nothin ass, right through the god dam window...understand me?"


hahahaha ahhh fuckin BORED AS FUCK! fuck this.... Gimi his number ill call for you... haha
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They look exactly the same. Even the discription is pretty much the same
 
alright...well yours is solvent extracted, the one I linked by the same seller is cold pressed. Solvent used for most "solvent extracted" oils is hexane...
 
The fine print says it all. BMB is right on point, and you should apply the concept to every thing in the field of "home brew. ....j
 
hi brothers if prop came out 112 mills what mg would that be poured a bit more oil and b.b. I was thinking around 85 mg per mill

caveman72 using not abusing
 
10 grams t.p. 5%b.a.15%b.b.72.5g.s.o. I just figured I was for sure 10 CC over that ain't bad so 80 oil 2.5 more b.b. thanks

caveman72 using not abusing
 
you should have had 10 gram powder
71mL oil
5mL BA
15mL BB

what you mean sorry im misunderstanding you, 80 oil, 2.5 more BB?

But let me continue with what wow was saying, but if you dont mind me asaking real quick, have you hit this recipe before? kick that BB up to 18-20% and def. no reason for that high of BA at all... 2/18 is just fine. Sounds to me like that dude Dtones Recipes
 
thanks I will incorporate next time
I used recipe once. this time just got in a hurry poured oil in beaker eyeballing it got a little over.so its around 90 mg. I plan on doing deca next. ya my recipes are off something I found on a.f.board forum I appreciate you're input alot.on deca I heard its not bad it suspends easy.the primo ace was a hard one to figure out I'll never do that one again maybe enanthate primo nwxt

caveman72 using not abusing
 
BMB,
Just wanted to let you know that after your post condemning my posting to the forum, I was a bit upset at first.
However, I have been silent for some time, just reading through the forum. I don't know if you are gonna rage on me or what, but I did want to actually thank you for your advice. I was rushing it, I haven't been active in this forum for long, I had spent much of my time in older forums, and I just hopped right in....the result I got put in my place.
I do plan to begin posting my experiences, but feel free to let me know if I am overstepping my bounds.
AC
 
I saw that you were using ebay, do you spread out your business to different retailers, purchase items over a period of time, etc.?

Also, I see some recipes require a bake at 210 at the end of the brew, others follow the exact same processes but do not show a bake (apparently to kill bacteria, but I am not sure this would be necessary if you are clean).
Thanks for the advice
 
appalachiancriminal said:
I saw that you were using ebay, do you spread out your business to different retailers, purchase items over a period of time, etc.?

Also, I see some recipes require a bake at 210 at the end of the brew, others follow the exact same processes but do not show a bake (apparently to kill bacteria, but I am not sure this would be necessary if you are clean).
Thanks for the advice
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Anyone baking their gear is retarded and should be ignored
 
BuryMeBig said:
you should have had 10 gram powder
71mL oil
5mL BA
15mL BB

what you mean sorry im misunderstanding you, 80 oil, 2.5 more BB?

But let me continue with what wow was saying, but if you dont mind me asaking real quick, have you hit this recipe before? kick that BB up to 18-20% and def. no reason for that high of BA at all... 2/18 is just fine. Sounds to me like that dude Dtones Recipes
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200mg eq? You need to stop posting and go do your own research for awhile. No offense, but that such a simple answer that it makes me think you know zilch about brewing.
 
I would rather ask then make a mistake....should I put a disclaimer..
AC doesn't know jack...did everyone start as a master?.
I figured I would check what i hear versus what I have from my private resource.
I guess I need to find A different forum altogether.

I asked caveman as he has been helping me along
 
appalachiancriminal said:
I would rather ask then make a mistake....should I put a disclaimer..
AC doesn't know jack...did everyone start as a master?.
I figured I would check what i hear versus what I have from my private resource.
I guess I need to find A different forum altogether.

I asked caveman as he has been helping me along
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It's got nothing with being new. It's the laziness that is annoying. Go google eq recipes for awhile. Look around and see which one looks correct, and then double check here. This thread is to help people along when they have questions, not baby you from start to finish.
 
Ahh yea I remember the name, I dont rage on anyone really don't trip, but shouldnt have let it keep you quite brother esp. If your not what I felt you possibly were. Anyhow, stuck around so, my bad on that glad you see the reason behind it though. Yea I certainly do purchase from multiple sources, one of those of just not putting all your eggs in one basket type deal. Researchsupply is a big one most people purchase through, been with them for a long time don't like them much at all but they have a growing selection of materials catering to our needs so obviously something's are just convienent when purchased at the same time. Oils I really go all over the place and have found many eBay sellers indeed do carry great usp grade oils... Doesn't even have to be USP I filter all my oils the second they arrive and into media bottles they go until use. Now since you are in fact asking for a recipe for something you can almost use in its raw form lol, I'll tell you where I like it, and I believe strong arms means it's easier for others to know when someone's putting in the time by just posting a recipe you perhaps came across when searching, and asking everyone for opinions, where I would have simply said sure, that one works, but consider dropping your Bb down or up to 8-10% to thin it out some for solvent isn't really required much with eq right? Could also cut your oil with some EO to even further thin the final product as well. BA I rarely go above 1.5%. Oil(s) of your choice...
 
BuryMeBig said:
someone's putting in the time by just posting a recipe you perhaps came across when searching, and asking everyone for opinions,
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This is exactly why I posted like that. It's the kids running around not doing any research that get hurt/hurt this worlds reputation. There is a plethora of information a couple google searches away. Absolutely zero need to ask a single question on your basic brews like test, deca, eq, and so on. If you want to outline your plan and ask for suggestions, hells yea I can, I love helping people out. I'm not going to spoon feed you basic info you should already know though.
 
I have never brewed, have everything I need just still doing research so I'll probably be asking some questions when I get to the more expensive compounds. Test e, test p, sust, DECA, eq I'm pretty confident I can do without fucking up
 
bonacris said:
I have never brewed, have everything I need just still doing research so I'll probably be asking some questions when I get to the more expensive compounds. Test e, test p, sust, DECA, eq I'm pretty confident I can do without fucking up
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By all means outline every step of your brewing process when you get ready bro. Double checking/offering suggestions is the point of this thread.

Asking for a recipe for 200mg/ml EQ though? Common, 1 google search and you can find 1000 different recipes. Atleast take the time to google something and ask if it looks good to go. Don't just lazily ask for the answer
 
wowstrongarms said:
By all means outline every step of your brewing process when you get ready bro. Double checking/offering suggestions is the point of this thread.

Asking for a recipe for 200mg/ml EQ though? Common, 1 google search and you can find 1000 different recipes. Atleast take the time to google something and ask if it looks good to go. Don't just lazily ask for the answer
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Honestly the basskiller calculator part I don't get. Why do they always say to use .85 as powder weight? Other than that I understand most stuff stuff.
 
bonacris said:
Honestly the basskiller calculator part I don't get. Why do they always say to use .85 as powder weight? Other than that I understand most stuff stuff.
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.85 is just an average number used for most raws. Most raws actual displacements are listed off to the side of that calc. Using .85 or the actual displacement numbers makes very little difference. Just go ahead and toss in the real one if it's there though. If not, don't sweat it. You are talking like a 2% difference, so it really doesn't make a difference
 
wowstrongarms said:
.85 is just an average number used for most raws. Most raws actual displacements are listed off to the side of that calc. Using .85 or the actual displacement numbers makes very little difference. Just go ahead and toss in the real one if it's there though. If not, don't sweat it. You are talking like a 2% difference, so it really doesn't make a difference
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Perfect thank you. I thought it was being lazy but if it makes such a small difference I'll use that. Can't wait to start now that I got by cold pressed gso.
 
BuryMeBig said:
Ahh yea I remember the name, I dont rage on anyone really don't trip, but shouldnt have let it keep you quite brother esp. If your not what I felt you possibly were. Anyhow, stuck around so, my bad on that glad you see the reason behind it though. Yea I certainly do purchase from multiple sources, one of those of just not putting all your eggs in one basket type deal. Researchsupply is a big one most people purchase through, been with them for a long time don't like them much at all but they have a growing selection of materials catering to our needs so obviously something's are just convienent when purchased at the same time. Oils I really go all over the place and have found many eBay sellers indeed do carry great usp grade oils... Doesn't even have to be USP I filter all my oils the second they arrive and into media bottles they go until use. Now since you are in fact asking for a recipe for something you can almost use in its raw form lol, I'll tell you where I like it, and I believe strong arms means it's easier for others to know when someone's putting in the time by just posting a recipe you perhaps came across when searching, and asking everyone for opinions, where I would have simply said sure, that one works, but consider dropping your Bb down or up to 8-10% to thin it out some for solvent isn't really required much with eq right? Could also cut your oil with some EO to even further thin the final product as well. BA I rarely go above 1.5%. Oil(s) of your choice...
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I trust my raws but they very on percentage. this time around my prop was fire it won't give me wings.I just feel like it does.

caveman72 using not abusing
 
what is a good place to get raws for making a home brew? I'm amazed by how much money I can save prepping my own test and now have the potential of being able to afford more than just test.

Also should I get Tbol or Boldenone? I really wanted to run a mild 8 week cycle and thats why tbol with test seems appealing, but not stressing the liver with tbol would also be nice. haha
 
Do you know anything about them though? I really want a legit a place to get raws. Is domestic even an option with raws?
 
Lman said:
Do you know anything about them though? I really want a legit a place to get raws. Is domestic even an option with raws?
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You have to look around. You won't just be handed a source with a handful of posts. Even look at the very 1st page of this section
 
Lman said:
what is a good place to get raws for making a home brew? I'm amazed by how much money I can save prepping my own test and now have the potential of being able to afford more than just test.

Also should I get Tbol or Boldenone? I really wanted to run a mild 8 week cycle and thats why tbol with test seems appealing, but not stressing the liver with tbol would also be nice. haha
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I like primo its affordable buying it and brewing it go with enanthate unless you want to dot on a half a cheek than switch e.o.d.its painfully pip.nit worth but with enanthate primo mo pip bit go high 1000 a week for sure or just good old deca please

caveman72 using not abusing
 
Does anyone know a good recipe for Testosterone Phenyl-Propionate. Should I stick to a 100mg per ml dosage or can 250mg concentration?

Also is there any advantage in making tbol injectable? Like less liver stress if you inject tbol. Lastly, is peg300 necessary for when making an oral suspension.
 
Anyone know how to brew Testosterone Phenyl-Propionate? Would it call for the same recipe as regular test prop
 
Lman said:
Anyone know how to brew Testosterone Phenyl-Propionate? Would it call for the same recipe as regular test prop
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bro look it up Google. ill give a idea of what's up it will give a idea I mean you learn trial error on suspension

caveman72 using not abusing
 
I did google, but seems like Phenyl-prop is a bit rare, but ill just stick to the regular prop recipe
 
goodluck let us know how it goes I'm curious. phenalprop would be something I might try when ready for more its a 4 day I heard its actually the one that should be done twice a week.

caveman72 using not abusing
 
If I can get away with twice a week injections this will be my test go to. I just hope the quality is there with what I ordered, because I know the more exotic roids are the ones that turn out bunk. Really concerned about my tbol and var being fake or crap, but if it is all legit it should be a fun cycle for my friend. Ill let yall know how the cycle turns out.
 
Lman said:
Anyone know how to brew Testosterone Phenyl-Propionate? Would it call for the same recipe as regular test prop
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I brewed Isocaproate 250 using the same recipe as Cypionate 250 and it suspended beautifully. I was going to go with phenyl-prop as well til I saw the chart below. I noticed Iso seems to pack the best punch for the med-longer length ester. Even so, I would like to try the phenylprop someday to see how it handles.

Steroid Remaining After Ester is Removed
100mg Testosterone Suspension (un-esterified Testosterone) = 100mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Acetate = 87.28mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Propionate = 83.72mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Isobutyrate = 80.45mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Pentanoate = 77.42mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Isocaproate = 74.61mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Benzoate = 73.47mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Enanthate = 71.99mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Cypionate = 69.9mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Caprylate = 69.56mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate = 68.57mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone-3-Phenylpropionate = 68.25mg Test
100mg Testosterone Decanoate = 65.15mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Undecanoate = 65.15mg Testosterone
100mg Testosterone Dodecanoate = 61.27mg Testosterone
 
Why is test isocaproate uncommon, especially with all the enanthate issues of recent from raws out of China?


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The only reason Isocaproate can be found is that its the medium chain ester found in Sustanon. I see esters on that list I've never heard of & couldnt hope to buy anywhere. On paper, Iso looks very attractive but it is much more expensive than the standard C or E. Im in the first week of switching from Cyp to Iso and I cant say Im impressed. Im wondering if the new compound needs its own fresh build up time? I thought I took care of that after the 3rd week of T Cyp, or maybe my brew is thinner than I thought
 
$100 is a good price for sure, I think I paid just about the same for some Kibby's.. Like $110 or so but shit if there's a set going for cheap used snag them
 
Is it better to roll with the Tren Enanthate or Parabolan?

I brewed some Tren Ace, but everyone seems much more interested in a blend or a longer ester.

It is my understanding that there are very few actual sources for real Parabolan....makes me kind of hesitant to invest in something with that reputation.

I have never heard anything about sources on Tren Enanthate. I know both are considered very hepatoxic....

I guess I am asking for your experience on the topic.
 
Para is retarded expensive. enanthate should be the same as ace. More bang for your buck with ace. 100mg per bottle vs 200-250mg
 
Yeah I just got the numbers from my raw source. I guess it is ace or enanthate. I am thinking of grabbing 10-20g's of the hex for personal use. I do appreciate the advice. Does anyone know if there is any truth to the longer lasting ester having less sides in terms of temperament?
 
I have one more dumb question. Feel free not to respond or just blast me for my newbie question. At less I am not asking for sources. Is the standard crimper 20mm? I was going to do flip-tops. 10 and 20 ml'
 
appalachiancriminal said:
Yeah I just got the numbers from my raw source. I guess it is ace or enanthate. I am thinking of grabbing 10-20g's of the hex for personal use. I do appreciate the advice. Does anyone know if there is any truth to the longer lasting ester having less sides in terms of temperament?
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I fared well early on cycle with long ester tren, but it only got worse towards the end.

In like a cat, out like a lion with a spike in its foot.


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Ryno said:
MCT: https://www.onnit.com/onnit-mct-oil/
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MCT is also the main ingredient in new versions of synthol. So by injecting your juice in your bi's or other desired muscles. MCT oil hangs around for a long time which will aid in increasing the size of that muscle. That's is if you do enough juice. BTW I do not advocate the use of synthol. It's not for me
BuryMeBig said:
looks like they put more money into there marketing then the oil its self... you use this shit before?
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BuryMeBig said:
looks like they put more money into there marketing then the oil its self... you use this shit before?
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BuryMeBig said:
looks like they put more money into there marketing then the oil its self... you use this shit before?
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appalachiancriminal said:
I have one more dumb question. Feel free not to respond or just blast me for my newbie question. At less I am not asking for sources. Is the standard crimper 20mm? I was going to do flip-tops. 10 and 20 ml'
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Be careful you don't buy a 13mm. Standard for 10ml and 20ml vials is 20mm flip top
 
Superturkey said:
MCT is also the main ingredient in new versions of synthol. So by injecting your juice in your bi's or other desired muscles. MCT oil hangs around for a long time which will aid in increasing the size of that muscle. That's is if you do enough juice. BTW I do not advocate the use of synthol. It's not for me
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Actually I do use MCT oil in some brews and have been for a long time now brother, that post is far from me asking in regards to MCT oil as a whole, it was in reference to that particular brand of MCT of which we were speaking of..... I've formulated my opinion on MCT and have many copies of pharmacutical compounding and excipient development, drug delivery systems, principles of compounding pharmaceutical formulations, all of which are published volumes, and they all with in vitro studies prove and suggest EVERYTHING opposite of what people think of MCT oil being an oil that holds in depot for long periods of time and all that bull shit.... MCT oil is actually fuckin quickly absorbed, even quicker then most hence why Miglyol is for the most part comprised of MCT oil.... It's not synthol, it hasn't made me bigger in any way shape or form based solemnly off the oils characteristics... Has done nothing what so ever in that sense nor would I use it if it did... Use it, and formulate your own opinion... And read some credible sources studies that explain it's use.
 
I am ready to be flamed, or just ignored, but I am playing checkers and you guys are chess masters. I managed to aquire a decent amount of test E raw, and was going to take my time and slowly learn the process. It would help my up coming cycle tremendously if I could brew up my own test. As far as the process goes I think I have that covered, but would gladly take any tips, or someone flat out saying do this, don't do this. I am looking to make 40ml @20mg ml. It would be great if I could be pointed in the direction of a quick and easy place to get the necessary supplies. If someone would take me under there wing and say hey get this from here do this , or tell me to get bent, do your homework I would get it.
 
I found a wiki on reddit that's real helpful as well as Google "basskiller" he has a step by step with pictures tutorial he provides in his steroids section


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Alright bros, ive been brewing oral winstrol using about 50% peg 300 and other is everclear and it slways crashes like a mofo. I heard legit winny will always crash but is there ANY recipe that helps it some? Im sure theres not one that will fully hold it. Thanks guys
 
Seve said:
I am ready to be flamed, or just ignored, but I am playing checkers and you guys are chess masters. I managed to aquire a decent amount of test E raw, and was going to take my time and slowly learn the process. It would help my up coming cycle tremendously if I could brew up my own test. As far as the process goes I think I have that covered, but would gladly take any tips, or someone flat out saying do this, don't do this. I am looking to make 40ml @20mg ml. It would be great if I could be pointed in the direction of a quick and easy place to get the necessary supplies. If someone would take me under there wing and say hey get this from here do this , or tell me to get bent, do your homework I would get it.
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you mean 200mg.a mill.not 20 and if you're wanting some reassuring words go for it follow directions keep sterile. its not hard keep the oil in above 200 but not 300 that's sterile for a bit than add to stuff mixed on hot plate or stove top stir let down to temp on stove start filtering that's what I've read I don't know

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adammac said:
Alright bros, ive been brewing oral winstrol using about 50% peg 300 and other is everclear and it slways crashes like a mofo. I heard legit winny will always crash but is there ANY recipe that helps it some? Im sure theres not one that will fully hold it. Thanks guys
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sounds like my primo ace. was making at 100 a mill then stretched to like 75 PR 80 mg. I had to add one mill of b.b. to each vile still gets a small crystal I heat with lighter goes back
made to injection but after three months of crippled pip.I started drinking two CC s day 160 mg oral compared two 80 eod injected I'm almost contest ready synergy with jintropin and test prop amazing
it must be because it was intended for oral but made for injection.but it still was a oral powder. next time I'll try enanthate. let me know how winstrol goes I heard of people making wintrol for injection and it still worked orally.

caveman72 using not abusing
 
I can make inj winstrol at 50mg/ml and it barely hold but even at 25mg/ml the oral crashes like hell. I have peg 400 now and still same thing
 
caveman72 said:
sounds like my primo ace. was making at 100 a mill then stretched to like 75 PR 80 mg. I had to add one mill of b.b. to each vile still gets a small crystal I heat with lighter goes back
made to injection but after three months of crippled pip.I started drinking two CC s day 160 mg oral compared two 80 eod injected I'm almost contest ready synergy with jintropin and test prop amazing
it must be because it was intended for oral but made for injection.but it still was a oral powder. next time I'll try enanthate. let me know how winstrol goes I heard of people making wintrol for injection and it still worked orally.

caveman72 using not abusing
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I didnt know u could drink primo??
 
caveman72 said:
sounds like my primo ace. was making at 100 a mill then stretched to like 75 PR 80 mg. I had to add one mill of b.b. to each vile still gets a small crystal I heat with lighter goes back
made to injection but after three months of crippled pip.I started drinking two CC s day 160 mg oral compared two 80 eod injected I'm almost contest ready synergy with jintropin and test prop amazing
it must be because it was intended for oral but made for injection.but it still was a oral powder. next time I'll try enanthate. let me know how winstrol goes I heard of people making wintrol for injection and it still worked orally.

caveman72 using not abusing
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Will primo enanthate hold better at higher conc?
 
adammac if your going to use peg, peg300's the one youll want to ideally use, but all winny will separate brother, whats your current formulation? by crashing what do you mean, simply it separating? Most importantly whats your exact procedure in brewing the winny for thats going to be a very significant factor as well as preparing your raws. Have you considered it in solution at all btw? Also, whats up you wont use any poly 80 or whats the deal?
can pm me if you want or post it k.
 
Can anyone point me to a study or informative article that outlines at what temperature any testosterone derivative (in particular testosterone propionate) undergoes a chemical change while suspended with BA BB if at all. Ive heard much conjecture on the subject but have searched confirming literature to no avail.

Legitimate personal experience would be appreciated as well. Has anyone here heated their solution to the melting point of a hormone with a higher melting point such as testosterone propionate? If so was there any noticeable difference in potency? Ive been experimenting and would like to hear opinions on this that are based in some sort of experience or factual evidence. I know that applying a high amount of heat to a solution is generally considered to induce a chemical change in the hormone but like i mentioned i cant find anything besides conjecture on the matter.

Thank you,
Xeno Pharmaceuticals
 
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