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[pgc640]

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/86/6/2869/2849385

I'm not your father or trainer you ultimately need to make your own decisions. Hopefully based, not on what you read on a message board, but what you learn by doing your own research. Always assume someone has an ulterior motive, I'm an attorney so I naturally have to live like that but even on these boards you have no idea. These posts you are basing everything you do around could simply be written to increase someone's profits in some way. Always be skeptical. If something you read interests you take it and learn as much, on your own, about the topic, take no one's word at face value(including mine).
I've been saying for years unless used for a precontest diet or a cutting phase AI's do more harm than good. They hinder gains, they are about impossible to control without weekly blood tests because they are so strong Even precontest I would only have someone switch to an AI around 6-8 weeks out. Lowering your estrogen for a contest will bring you in harder and you can use drugs you would to have to had stopped very close to the contest. So, if you can use anadrol and test prop for example up to a week and a half out of course you are going to be bigger and harder. In the past those drugs needed to be stopped around three weeks out.
You need to make your own decision but I only use noveldex at 10 mgs a day. Proviron also works. Read article do more research and you may realize that I am correct.

 

[stevesmi]

as with almost every single one of these studies look who were the ones who were in the study. it is old dudes who aren't lifters or steroid users obviously

now if you go by history i can list you off a thousand threads of guys who ran steroids with no AI and ended up with gyno, water retention, high bp, insomnia and other things like red face or lethargy.

i think the common sense approach is use a gentle AI like aromasin or adex. never ever use letro unless it is absolutely desperation time. nobody is arguing that it is good to slam estrogen or use an AI just for the hell of it. but if you are using aromatizing compounds at a moderate or high level it is an absolutely good idea with bloodwork as a guide IMHO

 

[P0N]

The study population was all geriatric men at a dose of arimidex eight times that normally used when cycling steroids. I'd be interested to see this with a larger group and more reasonable protocols.

 

[gearhead]

bro these are old men doing AIs...it wouldnt apply to majority guys here...but i can see how AI use and endocrine system issues are laid out there....though i dont agree

 

[Mobster]

And as per the crap people posted back when I started lifting in 1980... who fkin cares if they actually inhibited gains? By how much? 5%...10%

So what?

I'll take the 90-95% over any side effects.

And, I gotta say, the attorney thing... think about it. You pre-selected evidence to prove something. In this case the other side and the jury know better. You lost the case.

 

[TEST*]

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/86/6/2869/2849385

I'm not your father or trainer you ultimately need to make your own decisions. Hopefully based, not on what you read on a message board, but what you learn by doing your own research. Always assume someone has an ulterior motive, I'm an attorney so I naturally have to live like that but even on these boards you have no idea. These posts you are basing everything you do around could simply be written to increase someone's profits in some way. Always be skeptical. If something you read interests you take it and learn as much, on your own, about the topic, take no one's word at face value(including mine).
I've been saying for years unless used for a precontest diet or a cutting phase AI's do more harm than good. They hinder gains, they are about impossible to control without weekly blood tests because they are so strong Even precontest I would only have someone switch to an AI around 6-8 weeks out. Lowering your estrogen for a contest will bring you in harder and you can use drugs you would to have to had stopped very close to the contest. So, if you can use anadrol and test prop for example up to a week and a half out of course you are going to be bigger and harder. In the past those drugs needed to be stopped around three weeks out.
You need to make your own decision but I only use noveldex at 10 mgs a day. Proviron also works. Read article do more research and you may realize that I am correct.

So you dont want to take Ai because hinders your gains,but why taking nolva which is known to decrease levels of IGF-1?This also will lead to less gains.

 

[RickRock]

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but when you aromatize at a high rate on steroids I like to have a good libido and a working dick. High estrogen will kill it, plus you'll look like a bloated fish, have worse health numbers etc...I also dont buy anything about an ai killing gains. Its bullshit. Unless you're talking about water gains on the scale