My beginner cycle question

[perfato#]

Hi fellows this is my first cycle and very excited to get started, I will be running Test E : 500mg Week 1 to 12 and Deca 200mg Week 1 to 12. My pct will be 20 mg of nolvadex a day for four weeks, my question is if I should take a SARM to prevent catabolism and lose of strength while doing my pct ,if you guys think I should any suggestions on which one and doses? thank you.

 

[muskate]

You have a pretty good plan for a first cycle. Test + deca is pretty much the gold standard for increasing size and strength. It's a classic 'bulking cycle'. It's fantastic for putting on muscle. It's not a good option if you are looking to cut.

The main problem is that both deca and test are known to cause a lot of water retention if you aren't using the proper support supplements with your cycle.

Remember to include the proper support supplements with your cycle:
1. An AI to keep estrogen in the low-normal range. Aromasin at 10mg EOD is a good dosage.
2. An anti-prolactin drug to keep prolactin in the low-normal range. Cabergoline at 0.25mg EOD is a good dosage.

The biggest problem is your PCT. Nolvadex alone is not near sufficient for a PCT protocol. Run the perfect PCT protocol after your cycle and you have nothing to worry about. It will ensure you natural testosterone production recovers and you keep all the gains you made from your cycle.

Here is how I would run your cycle:

Weeks 1 - 12
testosterone e/cyp 500mg/week
deca 200mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day
cabergoline 0.25mg every other day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I have a lot of issues with this cycle. First off, if it is your first cycle then there is no need to add deca to it. Just run test at 500mg per week. Next, you have no AI or caber (if you decide to run the deca). You need aromasin at 10mg EOD and caber at .5mg E3D. This will keep estrogen and prolactin in check. This is very important.

Your PCT is also terrible. Running nolva after a nandrolone is questionable to begin with . And nolva being the only thing in your PCT is insane. You will not recover, you will lose all your gains, and you will feel like shit. You need to run the Perfect PCT - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

I am very glad you came here before starting this!

 

[Jay Scott]

Hi fellows this is my first cycle and very excited to get started, I will be running Test E : 500mg Week 1 to 12 and Deca 200mg Week 1 to 12. My pct will be 20 mg of nolvadex a day for four weeks, my question is if I should take a SARM to prevent catabolism and lose of strength while doing my pct ,if you guys think I should any suggestions on which one and doses? thank you.

If thats the PCT you are willing to run, you are going to have a very very bad tim after your cycle.

I would consider running AI such as aromasin during the cycle to combat the high estrogen. Also, for PCT I would go for clomid something like 100/50/50/25/25 + HCGenerate ES 5 caps/day + ostarine if the pocket allows

 

[Vallieflag]

Don't run deca on a first cycle. Run clomid with your PCT, 50/50/25/25

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi fellows this is my first cycle and very excited to get started, I will be running Test E : 500mg Week 1 to 12 and Deca 200mg Week 1 to 12. My pct will be 20 mg of nolvadex a day for four weeks, my question is if I should take a SARM to prevent catabolism and lose of strength while doing my pct ,if you guys think I should any suggestions on which one and doses? thank you.

First of all - what about your ancillaries? With testosterone and deca you should be using an AI (aromasin at 10 mgs EOD from the first day of the cycle), and an anti-prolactin drug (cabergoline at 0.25 mgs EOD from the first day of the cycle).

Then, your PCT needs major improvements - a nolva solo PCT (especially after using deca), won't get you far. Remember, if you want to keep the gains made on cycle, you need to have a very complete PCT, so the better the PCT, the smoother will be the recovery. Ideally, if you want to keep as much as possible from the cycle, try doing something closer to the perfect PCT protocol as described here - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[stevesmi]

everyone has you covered above. if you do decide to run deca anyway and not listen, at the very least add 25mg a day of proviron to it to offset DHN increases.. your dick with thank you

 

[Suecyde]

Is it ok to shoot everything together at once from the same syringe? Test, Deca, Aromasin, Caber all in the same shot?