My first cycle

[JoshB]

Hello everyone, im possibly getting ready to start my first cycle, ive done an abundant amount of research, but have yet to order anything. Today Im going and getting my blood labs, and depending on what my results are is whether or whether not I start my first cycle. I will post my labs when I get them for some advice regarding them. I have already compiled a list of products to order for my PCT as well but have some questions regarding some of them.



My first cycle is going to be 12 weeks, depending on how it goes i may just stay on and cruise. I will begin with around 200 to 250mg of test e, then depending on how my body reacts and I get my second labs, I will be possibly adding anavar.



Im 35, 5' 6" and weigh 185 lbs about 15%-20% body fat give or take. I currently go to the gym 3 days a week, I also work 6 days a week and also do alot of physical labor.

For my 3 days ive been trying different plans to see what works for me the best, generally arms, chest, abs, then shoulders, back, abs then rince and repeat. mostly dumbells, barbells, and some machines. My sets are usually 3x8 or 3x11. All 3 days end with a bunch of cardio, usually 1k steps on the stair master, and a few miles on the treadmill. On the other days my wife and I usually take a walk together after work and we walk around 2 miles, and I generally walk about a mile or two a day at work as well.

I eat around 2200 calories a day with roughly 250g of protein, that includes shakes, powders, ect. Im super specific about what i eat but dont keep an exact count.

If I go on cycle I will be meal prepping Mondays for the week, and will be counting every calorie, every macro. eating the same thing all 7 days.

My goal is to get pretty shredded, with some bulking.

Vitamins:

Magnesium
Calcium
Zinc
Omega 3
Potassium.

I currently just take 5g of creatine every morning and ive been taking 2 mg of reta a week, which this week im holding off on and may continue holding off until I get a baseline on how I feel on test. I ordered some Motc and Tesa and will be throwing them in the freezer as well until I get a baseline.


My questions/concerns.

1. While making my list of things to PCT with (my list is legit from "the perfect pct" thats here at evo) I noticed i can't find anywhere that has hcgenerate es in stock, but im able to find hcgenerate, just not es, will this be an acceptable substitute?

2. The only side effect im worried about is honestly gyno, if I start to experience it do I just lower my dose of test the next week and take some Aromasin when the symptoms begin? If so how much and how long should i take them? Until my symptoms go away?

3. If im not satisfied with the blood panel that im getting does anyone have an recommendations for some type of at home blood test kit thats like full panel? Hopefully able to be payed for by HSA.


I will post current body pics sometime this coming week and will post my blood results once I get them.

Thank you for all of your time, and help everyone, im really happy I found this community.

 

[JoshB]

Another question that I have is what do yall think about injecting my weekly doses subq rather then IM?

 

[stevesmi]

Another question that I have is what do yall think about injecting my weekly doses subq rather then IM?

you can get away with subq on oils if its a small amount, you rotate and you aren't doing a lot of volume.

for the most part though you will want to depend on IM at some point if you want to do this right

 

[Magenzus]

Hello everyone, im possibly getting ready to start my first cycle, ive done an abundant amount of research, but have yet to order anything. Today Im going and getting my blood labs, and depending on what my results are is whether or whether not I start my first cycle. I will post my labs when I get them for some advice regarding them. I have already compiled a list of products to order for my PCT as well but have some questions regarding some of them.



My first cycle is going to be 12 weeks, depending on how it goes i may just stay on and cruise. I will begin with around 200 to 250mg of test e, then depending on how my body reacts and I get my second labs, I will be possibly adding anavar.



Im 35, 5' 6" and weigh 185 lbs about 15%-20% body fat give or take. I currently go to the gym 3 days a week, I also work 6 days a week and also do alot of physical labor.

For my 3 days ive been trying different plans to see what works for me the best, generally arms, chest, abs, then shoulders, back, abs then rince and repeat. mostly dumbells, barbells, and some machines. My sets are usually 3x8 or 3x11. All 3 days end with a bunch of cardio, usually 1k steps on the stair master, and a few miles on the treadmill. On the other days my wife and I usually take a walk together after work and we walk around 2 miles, and I generally walk about a mile or two a day at work as well.

I eat around 2200 calories a day with roughly 250g of protein, that includes shakes, powders, ect. Im super specific about what i eat but dont keep an exact count.

If I go on cycle I will be meal prepping Mondays for the week, and will be counting every calorie, every macro. eating the same thing all 7 days.

My goal is to get pretty shredded, with some bulking.

Vitamins:

Magnesium
Calcium
Zinc
Omega 3
Potassium.

I currently just take 5g of creatine every morning and ive been taking 2 mg of reta a week, which this week im holding off on and may continue holding off until I get a baseline on how I feel on test. I ordered some Motc and Tesa and will be throwing them in the freezer as well until I get a baseline.


My questions/concerns.

1. While making my list of things to PCT with (my list is legit from "the perfect pct" thats here at evo) I noticed i can't find anywhere that has hcgenerate es in stock, but im able to find hcgenerate, just not es, will this be an acceptable substitute?

2. The only side effect im worried about is honestly gyno, if I start to experience it do I just lower my dose of test the next week and take some Aromasin when the symptoms begin? If so how much and how long should i take them? Until my symptoms go away?

3. If im not satisfied with the blood panel that im getting does anyone have an recommendations for some type of at home blood test kit thats like full panel? Hopefully able to be payed for by HSA.


I will post current body pics sometime this coming week and will post my blood results once I get them.

Thank you for all of your time, and help everyone, im really happy I found this community.

1. HCG Generate is not actually human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG). It’s an over-the-counter supplement.
2. I wouldn't be too worried about gyno if you’re essentially running a dose of trt plus. But it would be good to have an AI on hand like arimidex or anastrazole to take when symptoms arrise. You could also have Nolva but as long as you are in check with your AI you probably won’t need it. Also you can check on your sensitive estradiol to have a more accurate idea of where your e2 is. Take AI as long as symptoms are there.
3. Why would a home kit be better than a on lab full panel? Doing it at quest or labcorp is best. If you insist on a home kit the two most complete/ trustworthy home labs would be Rhythm Health or Siphox Health.

 

[JoshB]

Thank you im just gonna go IM just to get used to it.

 

[JoshB]

1. HCG Generate is not actually human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG). It’s an over-the-counter supplement.
2. I wouldn't be too worried about gyno if you’re essentially running a dose of trt plus. But it would be good to have an AI on hand like arimidex or anastrazole to take when symptoms arrise. You could also have Nolva but as long as you are in check with your AI you probably won’t need it. Also you can check on your sensitive estradiol to have a more accurate idea of where your e2 is. Take AI as long as symptoms are there.
3. Why would a home kit be better than a on lab full panel? Doing it at quest or labcorp is best. If you insist on a home kit the two most complete/ trustworthy home labs would be Rhythm Health or Siphox Health.

Thank you.

And for ease of access, maybe save some money on the labs, be able to just send them out when im concerned. I appreciate your insight.

So hcggenerate is fine?

 

[Magenzus]

Thank you.

And for ease of access, maybe save some money on the labs, be able to just send them out when im concerned. I appreciate your insight.

So hcggenerate is fine?

I would use actual HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin).

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hello everyone, im possibly getting ready to start my first cycle, ive done an abundant amount of research, but have yet to order anything. Today Im going and getting my blood labs, and depending on what my results are is whether or whether not I start my first cycle. I will post my labs when I get them for some advice regarding them. I have already compiled a list of products to order for my PCT as well but have some questions regarding some of them.



My first cycle is going to be 12 weeks, depending on how it goes i may just stay on and cruise. I will begin with around 200 to 250mg of test e, then depending on how my body reacts and I get my second labs, I will be possibly adding anavar.



Im 35, 5' 6" and weigh 185 lbs about 15%-20% body fat give or take. I currently go to the gym 3 days a week, I also work 6 days a week and also do alot of physical labor.

For my 3 days ive been trying different plans to see what works for me the best, generally arms, chest, abs, then shoulders, back, abs then rince and repeat. mostly dumbells, barbells, and some machines. My sets are usually 3x8 or 3x11. All 3 days end with a bunch of cardio, usually 1k steps on the stair master, and a few miles on the treadmill. On the other days my wife and I usually take a walk together after work and we walk around 2 miles, and I generally walk about a mile or two a day at work as well.

I eat around 2200 calories a day with roughly 250g of protein, that includes shakes, powders, ect. Im super specific about what i eat but dont keep an exact count.

If I go on cycle I will be meal prepping Mondays for the week, and will be counting every calorie, every macro. eating the same thing all 7 days.

My goal is to get pretty shredded, with some bulking.

Vitamins:

Magnesium
Calcium
Zinc
Omega 3
Potassium.

I currently just take 5g of creatine every morning and ive been taking 2 mg of reta a week, which this week im holding off on and may continue holding off until I get a baseline on how I feel on test. I ordered some Motc and Tesa and will be throwing them in the freezer as well until I get a baseline.


My questions/concerns.

1. While making my list of things to PCT with (my list is legit from "the perfect pct" thats here at evo) I noticed i can't find anywhere that has hcgenerate es in stock, but im able to find hcgenerate, just not es, will this be an acceptable substitute?

2. The only side effect im worried about is honestly gyno, if I start to experience it do I just lower my dose of test the next week and take some Aromasin when the symptoms begin? If so how much and how long should i take them? Until my symptoms go away?

3. If im not satisfied with the blood panel that im getting does anyone have an recommendations for some type of at home blood test kit thats like full panel? Hopefully able to be payed for by HSA.


I will post current body pics sometime this coming week and will post my blood results once I get them.

Thank you for all of your time, and help everyone, im really happy I found this community.

Good first log post and these are all good questions. Do you have a cycle in mind @JoshB?

Please post pics of your base physique so we can see what you're working with and it will help us help you. This will expedite your log for approval in the mod queue.

So hcggenerate is fine?

HCGenerate worked for what my needs were and I recommend it
I get mine here https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/pct/hcgenerate-n2generate/

 

[Kingofspades712]

Your first cycle imo should be TRT doses with Reta.

So somewhere around 200-300 mg of test weekly.
Reta at 2 mg titrate up.

If you’re worried about gyno a great way to combat that is getting and staying lean.

You need more BF room before you mass phase.

Cut to around 10% BF probably a 16 week cut.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello everyone, im possibly getting ready to start my first cycle, ive done an abundant amount of research, but have yet to order anything. Today Im going and getting my blood labs, and depending on what my results are is whether or whether not I start my first cycle. I will post my labs when I get them for some advice regarding them. I have already compiled a list of products to order for my PCT as well but have some questions regarding some of them.



My first cycle is going to be 12 weeks, depending on how it goes i may just stay on and cruise. I will begin with around 200 to 250mg of test e, then depending on how my body reacts and I get my second labs, I will be possibly adding anavar.



Im 35, 5' 6" and weigh 185 lbs about 15%-20% body fat give or take. I currently go to the gym 3 days a week, I also work 6 days a week and also do alot of physical labor.

For my 3 days ive been trying different plans to see what works for me the best, generally arms, chest, abs, then shoulders, back, abs then rince and repeat. mostly dumbells, barbells, and some machines. My sets are usually 3x8 or 3x11. All 3 days end with a bunch of cardio, usually 1k steps on the stair master, and a few miles on the treadmill. On the other days my wife and I usually take a walk together after work and we walk around 2 miles, and I generally walk about a mile or two a day at work as well.

I eat around 2200 calories a day with roughly 250g of protein, that includes shakes, powders, ect. Im super specific about what i eat but dont keep an exact count.

If I go on cycle I will be meal prepping Mondays for the week, and will be counting every calorie, every macro. eating the same thing all 7 days.

My goal is to get pretty shredded, with some bulking.

Vitamins:

Magnesium
Calcium
Zinc
Omega 3
Potassium.

I currently just take 5g of creatine every morning and ive been taking 2 mg of reta a week, which this week im holding off on and may continue holding off until I get a baseline on how I feel on test. I ordered some Motc and Tesa and will be throwing them in the freezer as well until I get a baseline.


My questions/concerns.

1. While making my list of things to PCT with (my list is legit from "the perfect pct" thats here at evo) I noticed i can't find anywhere that has hcgenerate es in stock, but im able to find hcgenerate, just not es, will this be an acceptable substitute?

2. The only side effect im worried about is honestly gyno, if I start to experience it do I just lower my dose of test the next week and take some Aromasin when the symptoms begin? If so how much and how long should i take them? Until my symptoms go away?

3. If im not satisfied with the blood panel that im getting does anyone have an recommendations for some type of at home blood test kit thats like full panel? Hopefully able to be payed for by HSA.


I will post current body pics sometime this coming week and will post my blood results once I get them.

Thank you for all of your time, and help everyone, im really happy I found this community.

good start to the log please add some pics of you face blurred so we understand your base and can guide you, pics are just front of mirror dont need a of time @JoshB

 

[JoshB]

Thank you everyone.

Yes I want to first figure out what a good test dose is for me before I start really sending it for a cycle, I ended up missing my appointment for my bloodwork so im gonna go on my next day off.

Im at work right now but will end up posting pictures shortly.

Im thinking im going to start at 250 test and see how it goes, split into two doses of 125. Im still sending it on Reta, 2 mg is enough to literally erase food noise and my hunger cravings.

 

[Kingofspades712]

Rhythm home testing works pretty well. It’s around $70 a month very convenient and tests all of the biomarkers you need to know on cycle.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thank you everyone.

Yes I want to first figure out what a good test dose is for me before I start really sending it for a cycle, I ended up missing my appointment for my bloodwork so im gonna go on my next day off.

Im at work right now but will end up posting pictures shortly.

Im thinking im going to start at 250 test and see how it goes, split into two doses of 125. Im still sending it on Reta, 2 mg is enough to literally erase food noise and my hunger cravings.

awesome waiting on pics @JoshB

 

[WilliamGolt23]

Hello everyone, im possibly getting ready to start my first cycle, ive done an abundant amount of research, but have yet to order anything. Today Im going and getting my blood labs, and depending on what my results are is whether or whether not I start my first cycle. I will post my labs when I get them for some advice regarding them. I have already compiled a list of products to order for my PCT as well but have some questions regarding some of them.



My first cycle is going to be 12 weeks, depending on how it goes i may just stay on and cruise. I will begin with around 200 to 250mg of test e, then depending on how my body reacts and I get my second labs, I will be possibly adding anavar.



Im 35, 5' 6" and weigh 185 lbs about 15%-20% body fat give or take. I currently go to the gym 3 days a week, I also work 6 days a week and also do alot of physical labor.

For my 3 days ive been trying different plans to see what works for me the best, generally arms, chest, abs, then shoulders, back, abs then rince and repeat. mostly dumbells, barbells, and some machines. My sets are usually 3x8 or 3x11. All 3 days end with a bunch of cardio, usually 1k steps on the stair master, and a few miles on the treadmill. On the other days my wife and I usually take a walk together after work and we walk around 2 miles, and I generally walk about a mile or two a day at work as well.

I eat around 2200 calories a day with roughly 250g of protein, that includes shakes, powders, ect. Im super specific about what i eat but dont keep an exact count.

If I go on cycle I will be meal prepping Mondays for the week, and will be counting every calorie, every macro. eating the same thing all 7 days.

My goal is to get pretty shredded, with some bulking.

Vitamins:

Magnesium
Calcium
Zinc
Omega 3
Potassium.
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I currently just take 5g of creatine every morning and ive been taking 2 mg of reta a week, which this week im holding off on and may continue holding off until I get a baseline on how I feel on test. I ordered some Motc and Tesa and will be throwing them in the freezer as well until I get a baseline.


My questions/concerns.

1. While making my list of things to PCT with (my list is legit from "the perfect pct" thats here at evo) I noticed i can't find anywhere that has hcgenerate es in stock, but im able to find hcgenerate, just not es, will this be an acceptable substitute?

2. The only side effect im worried about is honestly gyno, if I start to experience it do I just lower my dose of test the next week and take some Aromasin when the symptoms begin? If so how much and how long should i take them? Until my symptoms go away?

3. If im not satisfied with the blood panel that im getting does anyone have an recommendations for some type of at home blood test kit thats like full panel? Hopefully able to be payed for by HSA.


I will post current body pics sometime this coming week and will post my blood results once I get them.

Thank you for all of your time, and help everyone, im really happy I found this community.

Sounds like you're taking a much more sensible approach than a lot of first-timers by getting baseline bloodwork before making any decisions. Having a clear starting point and tracking your labs throughout the process is probably one of the smartest things you can do.
I'd also resist the temptation to add multiple compounds too quickly. Starting with one variable makes it much easier to understand how your body responds and identify any issues if they come up. Looking forward to seeing your bloodwork and following your progress.

 

[trenharderthenlasttime]

Another question that I have is what do yall think about injecting my weekly doses subq rather then IM?

You could probably get away if you're injecting a small amount of oil. I do daily subq injections and i have zero problem, but im injecting less than 0.5ml of oil each injection so its all dependant on your dose. Subq has practically no difference in absorption and tbh im much more comfortable injecting daily with a 31g insulin syringe then putting a 25g needle up my ass a twice a week

Thank you everyone.

Yes I want to first figure out what a good test dose is for me before I start really sending it for a cycle, I ended up missing my appointment for my bloodwork so im gonna go on my next day off.

Im at work right now but will end up posting pictures shortly.

Im thinking im going to start at 250 test and see how it goes, split into two doses of 125. Im still sending it on Reta, 2 mg is enough to literally erase food noise and my hunger cravings.

250 test is fine, you can titrate up later if you feel good, however keep in mind 2 injections is the bare minimum, id suggest doing 3 times, but you should be able to get away with only 250, once you get into the higher zone is where id consider doing more often pinnings as crucial.

Thank you.

And for ease of access, maybe save some money on the labs, be able to just send them out when im concerned. I appreciate your insight.

So hcggenerate is fine?

To my understanding hcggenerate is a NATRUAL supplement that you can take on cycle or during PCT to help, but it does not act as the PCT itself. For PCT you can do Nolva, Enclo or Clomid. I personally suggest enclo as the superior option out of the three. Remember PCT only comes in 5 half lives after your last pin.


Good luck mate!