Please explain shutdown.... With or without Test

[Arnoldstrong]

If use test your body stops it's own production....

It's the same using other steroids..
Therefore can you not use say EQ or DBOL without test? ...same result will happen regardless.
Please explain guys

 

[gearhead]

bro you will be shut down as soon as you use steroids...not sure your question

 

[sdr1014]

i think he is asking why our body stops producing testosterone even if we arent injecting synthetic testosterone.

say you are using Dbol. . you will still get shut down.

 

[PTPT]

That's why everyone uses test with every cycle. Every steroid will shut you down. So if your using equipoise for example, your body will stop producing it's own test in a few days. If you don't supplement test to replace your bodies own production you end up with all kinds of issues.

 

[stevesmi]

you don't need to use test in every cycle. I think some guru 20 years ago declared that and people started parroting it since. even Dan Doucheaine who is the biggest guru/parotter in the game says you don't need to use test in every cycle

when you use hormones your pituitary glands go dormant and stop producing LH, hence your testes do not produce testosterone on their own anymore. so your LH and FSH drop to 0. doesn't matter what hormone you use, its going to happen. and running test with your cycle doesn't prevent shutdown, this is yet another myth.

guys like to use test as their base because it is versatile, if you are running a compound that binds well with SHBG, the added androgens from testosterone will make your cycle better. you will up your estrogen and fill your muscles up easier with it. so its good to stack test with a dry compound to give it a kick.

having said all this I would never run something like primo, var, masteron, proviron, etc alone. you are just wasting them for the reasons I just mentioned.

something like deca, tren, eq, dbol, anadrol, etc can be run solo just fine.

 

[LevButlerov]

There is also one concept many are missing here. Your testosterone productions shuts down when you are on test, but the artificial test you are taking replaces the natural test that is gone. However, in the case of many other AAS, the same shutdown takes place, but there is no artificial test to replace the natural one. Therefore, it is a good thing to stack test, and in the case of many steroids I would even dare it is imperative.

 

[MooseGlide]

I agree, your body uses test for multiple purposes. If you replace it with some other chemical that said chemical will not be performing all the same functions as testosterone. Or at least that's how I feel about it!!!

 

[stevesmi]

to think that if you don't stack testosterone in your cycle that your test levels go to 0 is downright ridiculous. all hormones are derived from the male hormone testosterone, you think they came from plastic?

but its pointless for me to try and beatback broscience and forum parroting so I don't even bother.

"you must stack testosterone in your cycle!!" or else... or else.... you die! your muscles disappear! your dick stops working! blah blah blah

you guys do realize that tren, primo, and other compounds can be used for HRT too right? look it up. one of the top HIV doctors in the world wants primo FDA approved to be used as HRT in the USA, because it has superior immune system qualities and has way less sides than testosterone.. that's just one example
anadrol was used for anemia in patients year round, another example

 

[MooseGlide]

I like cycles that involve test because that's what I choose to do not because I have to. Do a lot of guys run tren alone? How do the results from a tren/test cycle differ from a just tren cycle? Is it a pre contest deal?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ a few years ago I had a guy talk about tren only cycle and it made a lot of sense to me so I tried it. since then most of my tren runs have been solo and I like it.. sides are very low and I don't have to worry about aromatization. I would say if there was a compound that doesn't need to be stacked it would be tren, its the king of steroids for a reason

 

[MooseGlide]

That's interesting, I personally have not used tren but was looking at a 400mg/week tren 200mg/test cycle for the future. Do you mind if I ask your dosage for tren only. I'll save the rest of my questions for another place and time!

 

[thechemicals]

Question. Showing blood work after a cycle would get you clean test from a doctor , because you'd have low test? Is this common practice by anyone with goodv insurance?

 

[Arnoldstrong]

you don't need to use test in every cycle. I think some guru 20 years ago declared that and people started parroting it since. even Dan Doucheaine who is the biggest guru/parotter in the game says you don't need to use test in every cycle

when you use hormones your pituitary glands go dormant and stop producing LH, hence your testes do not produce testosterone on their own anymore. so your LH and FSH drop to 0. doesn't matter what hormone you use, its going to happen. and running test with your cycle doesn't prevent shutdown, this is yet another myth.

guys like to use test as their base because it is versatile, if you are running a compound that binds well with SHBG, the added androgens from testosterone will make your cycle better. you will up your estrogen and fill your muscles up easier with it. so its good to stack test with a dry compound to give it a kick.

having said all this I would never run something like primo, var, masteron, proviron, etc alone. you are just wasting them for the reasons I just mentioned.

something like deca, tren, eq, dbol, anadrol, etc can be run solo just fine.

Thanks stevesmi. That was explained well..

 

[Arnoldstrong]

you don't need to use test in every cycle. I think some guru 20 years ago declared that and people started parroting it since. even Dan Doucheaine who is the biggest guru/parotter in the game says you don't need to use test in every cycle

when you use hormones your pituitary glands go dormant and stop producing LH, hence your testes do not produce testosterone on their own anymore. so your LH and FSH drop to 0. doesn't matter what hormone you use, its going to happen. and running test with your cycle doesn't prevent shutdown, this is yet another myth.

guys like to use test as their base because it is versatile, if you are running a compound that binds well with SHBG, the added androgens from testosterone will make your cycle better. you will up your estrogen and fill your muscles up easier with it. so its good to stack test with a dry compound to give it a kick.

having said all this I would never run something like primo, var, masteron, proviron, etc alone. you are just wasting them for the reasons I just mentioned.

something like deca, tren, eq, dbol, anadrol, etc can be run solo just fine.

Stevesmi.....how would you stack primo? Would 200mg/week ok for 10 weeks?

 

[stevesmi]

That's interesting, I personally have not used tren but was looking at a 400mg/week tren 200mg/test cycle for the future. Do you mind if I ask your dosage for tren only. I'll save the rest of my questions for another place and time!

I see no reason to run tren more than 200mg a week. assuming your source had legit gear.

that is with or without stacking it.

I promise your results with be almost the same at 200mg a week vs. 350mg a week which is what most people recommend. and going by your avatar its obvious you already know how to train so you will have a nice cycle with a little tren without killing yourself with crazy dosages

 

[stevesmi]

Stevesmi.....how would you stack primo? Would 200mg/week ok for 10 weeks?

I would do primo 500-600mg per week either stacked with a little tren or test if you want injectable cycle

Arnold used to stack primo with dbol ... we think he did 100mg a day of primo and 20mg a day of dbol.. that's all he used. considering those were the two compounds he always mentioned and what was most available at that time.

these huge doses guys run today are fine, but you don't need that to have a nice lean look. if you want to look like a monster then its different

 

[hurricane]

There is also one concept many are missing here. Your testosterone productions shuts down when you are on test, but the artificial test you are taking replaces the natural test that is gone. However, in the case of many other AAS, the same shutdown takes place, but there is no artificial test to replace the natural one. Therefore, it is a good thing to stack test, and in the case of many steroids I would even dare it is imperative.

well said and i couldnt agree more. thats the reasoning behind it and why people say its a must

 

[Arnoldstrong]

I would do primo 500-600mg per week either stacked with a little tren or test if you want injectable cycle

Arnold used to stack primo with dbol ... we think he did 100mg a day of primo and 20mg a day of dbol.. that's all he used. considering those were the two compounds he always mentioned and what was most available at that time.

these huge doses guys run today are fine, but you don't need that to have a nice lean look. if you want to look like a monster then its different

Stevesmi is a TBOL cycle on it's on OWN fine? 60mg for 6 weeks

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ fine yes, ideal? no. Tbol is very good at binding to the SHBG and freeing up 'free test' ratio, to not stack it is a waste.. its like making a PB&J sandwich and forgetting to buy the PB.

again guys the only steroids that don't need to be stacked to get full benefits are tren, halo, dbol, maybe EQ and deca (although they are both very mild). deca and EQ are great to add to cycles because they are so mild and have low sides, so you can stack large dosages. something like primo is too, but since it is a DHT you definitely need to include it in a stack because it needs an extra kick.

that's one of the main reasons why people stack steroids, so they feed off each other and make the cycle better. same with SARM's. the other reason is to kickstart a long ester cycle with an oral.

 

[Ranook]

Hallo Stevesmi,bro. I have ben talking some older bros, about a Npp + testo.p cykel thoughts and ideas go evrywhere. I think its possibly to run a 8 weeek cykel
you run the Npp for 7 weeks. The ques. is how much each. Say you take 450 mg test/w how much Npp oryou think ibump up testo. to 600, how much lower to think i
must go on the Npp. That is one of ques. What i dont understand is what pct is best, i mean this is a short ester, give me some input so i do understand