Post cycle therapy recommendations?

[H82DOGU]

Tomorrow I am starting an 8 week cycle of test prop, masterone, tren ace, and proviron. I will be running aromasin during cycle. I need solid recommendations on a good post cycle. I have read lots of Info on nolvadex, clomid, and HCG but was just gonna ask on here to see what your opinions were. Where do you get HCG?
Thanks

 

[muskate]

If you take some time to do some research on HCG, you will find that it does more harm then good. Read this: http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

HCG will increase LH and FSH, yes, but it will also increase estrogen levels and it's suppressive of natural testosterone production. The problem with HCG is that when you stop using it, your natural testosterone production is suppressed and you get an estrogen rebound to boot. That is why so many users experience gyno after HCG use.

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
It truly is the best PCT protocol you can put together. Run it exactly as the article lays out and you have nothing to worry about in regards to recovering from your cycle.

 

[Core]

Thanks Muskate. Lots of conflicting info out there...

 

[LevButlerov]

The cycle layout looks good, but you will also need to add in there some cabergoline for prolactin control - 0.25 mgs E2D or E3D would be a good starting dosage. Make sure to be using both Aromasin and Cabergoline from the first day of the cycle.

As for the PCT, I would strongly recommend the perfect PCT protocol, as described here - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/ It may seem like a very complete PCT, and you really need to run a proper PCT in order to keep your gains. Besides, for a smoother PCT you will also need to run a very comprehensive PCT. Remember, the cycle itself will be pointless if you don't run a complete PCT to reinforce those results.

Regarding the HCG, I would not use HCG, neither on cycle, nor off cycle, since its benefits are definitely not worth all the risks. It can cause such side effects as gyno and suppression, and it will barely do anything for your natural testosterone production. In fact, it only mimics the functions of LH and FSH, but it will not actually make them work. As a result, you will get an increased level of testosterone only while you take HCG, which will drop back down as soon as you stop using it. Therefore, it would make sense to use something that will cause less side effects and actually do something for your natural testosterone production. For instance, you can use HCGenerate ES - it will keep the plums big and functioning during the cycle, and it will be a great help for natural testosterone production during PCT, since it will make LH and FSH actually work. As a result, your body will keep producing testosterone even after you stop taking it. However, unlike HCG, it will not cause any side effects at all, and it is more convenient, since it is taken orally. Besides, the libido boost from HCGenerate ES is a sight to see.

 

[H82DOGU]

Appreciate the info. Thanks. Reading the link now.

 

[nvr2lt]

@LevButlerov Will you explain why you feel caber is needed for prolactin with Tren? I can't find any studies that prove Tren alone will cause Gyno related issues. If you keep your E2 under control, I see no reason for caber unless it's for libido. I haven't seen one study that proves Tren is related to Prolactin. Caber also lowers your IGF-1/hGH, which is contrary to what we want. If the OP gets baseline bloods and bloods during cycle to keep his E2 in check, there should be no prolactin related issues related to Tren. I'm not saying don't have it on hand, but I can't find anything that supports prolactin issues caused from Tren.


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[nvr2lt]

I have read Leaky Heart Valvrs have been found with Caber.


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[stevesmi]

if you want to keep your nuts plump and also help with cholesterol then hcgenerate classic is a cheap and easy way to do both. you can buy it off n2bm.com

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I would follow the link Muskate gave you for the Perfect PCT. It will help you recover and keep your gains better than other outdated PCTs.

 

[Jay Scott]

Thanks Muskate. Lots of conflicting info out there...

Well it depends how you look at it. Most people cannot utilise the benefits properly therefore it causes more harm than good. But others might find HCG very beneficial for starting the recovery process or keeping the balls in check

 

[nvr2lt]

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[H82DOGU]

Ok. Did my first injection 1.5 ml test prop 100mg/ml, 1ml tren ace 75 mg/ml, and .5 mo masteron 100 mg/ml in my right quad and it went real smooth. An hour later my whole quad was on fire and I couldn't flex my knee without intense pain. The rest of the day it was just a little sore. Next day it was killing. I could barely walk, it was swollen and a little red. Next day the swelling settled right above my knee but the pain was a little less, still red. It still hurts today with redness and swelling above my knee but it is subsiding. What the hell? I just did my second injection for the week in my right glute because I could reach it (barely) but I am worried its gonna put me out of commission if the pain is that bad again. I have biceps and triceps to train today and legs in two days. What gives? Why so painful?

 

[nvr2lt]

Did you aspirate before injecting? Also, try to do quads in the teardrop area.


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[H82DOGU]

Yes. Aspirated. My glute worked great. Hardly any pain now. Sticking to my glutes for this particular cycle. My quads were my usual site but I am switching. Heard test prop is more painful anyway.

 

[nvr2lt]

Ahhh, good idea. Keep us posted bro.


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