Second cycle need advice on Pct Onc

[T-had]

. I am planning my second cycle, and having trouble coming up with a good post cycle therapy. I was hoping you might be able to help me out with this somewhat

This is how my cycle will be laid out

Test E 1000 ml front load first week
EQ 1200 ml front load first week
T-bol 40 mg Week 1-4
Test E 500 ml 2- 18
EQ 600 ml 1-16 or 17

I am also not sure what I should use for on cycle support as far as estrogen control, and overall health support. I know the basic components I want to run but I want to do a proper post cycle therapy, and on therapy support.

I have looked into some HCG, but I do not know if I should run it post cycle after my last pin up until I start my actual post cycle. Or if I should run it while on cycle, or at all. I know I want to start my natural testosterone production before I really started on my SERM's and what not.

This is my second and what will probably be my last cycle, but never know about the last cycle thing. If it is I want to make sure I do it right.

Any information would be very much appreciated.



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[Ahmad90]

Man thats one long ass cycle especially since its only your second. Ill hold it to 12 weeks max. What was your previous cycle and how were your gains?


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[T-had]

1-10 Test E I went up 20 pounds. I know I was not training as long as should be advised before starting a cycle. But I started at 155 pounds, and ended at 175. Did not do a post cycle, really did not understand how to run a cycle. Was just given some test and said go with it.
I have kept most of my gains though. I am 34 years old hundred seventy pounds I'm 5 foot 9


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[T-had]

I really like the idea of running Eq, but I hear you should run it for no less than 16 weeks

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[T-had]

And my body fats around 6 - 8 %

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[muskate]

First, I strongly advise AGAINST using HCG with your cycle. Many bodybuilders are under the incorrect misconception that HCG usage will help them recover post cycle or keep testicular shrinkage to a minimum while on cycle. I am not sure where this misconception came from but it is very incorrect. HCG is extracted from pregnant female urine. You read that correctly. It is a form of estrogen and causes estrogen levels to rise. High estrogen levels can lead to gynecomastia, increased body fat levels and water retention. Even worse, if HCG is used for too long or in high enough doses, it will inhibit your own testosterone production due to the negative feedback loop via the pituitary gland and hypothalamus.

Use HCGenerate ES or HCGenerate instead to keep HPTA suppression and testicular atrophy to a minimum. 5 capsules/day
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Second, there is no need to front load the testosterone or EQ. You need a liver aid when you are using the tbol as any alklayted oral steroid is going to be extremely liver toxic. You also need an AI with your cycle to prevent the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen to ensure you don't get estrogen related side effects such as gyno, water retention etc.

Also, your dosages are crazy and way more then what is needed for a second cycle. Here is what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 16
testosterone 500mg/week
EQ 300mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day
HCGenerate 5 capsules/day

weeks 1 - 4
tbol 30mg/day
n2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[T-had]

Ok, thanks for the info. This is pretty close to what I come up with on paper but I was not sure about it as far as on cycle therapy went, and post cycle. I was iffy about the HCG altogether. Because of the estrogen-related side effects from that. The only benefit I really seen from was that a could up your LH hormone. Which in theory I could see where that could start the production of testosterone again. But I was really wanting to stay away from HCG. I have started doing some research on the HCGgenerate for testosterone restart. So you think they'll be a benefit to running EQ at that low of a milligram everything that I have read, as far as for lean bulking purposes says that 600 is kind of like the sweet spot. Again thank you for the advice, was very helpful on clearing some stuff up for me.

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[LevButlerov]

For on-cycle support, you will need Aromasin at 10 mgs EDO for estrogen control, and N2Guard for your liver support together with other organs - 5 caps a day. Regarding the PCT, Nolvadex, Clomid, HCGenerate ES, N2Guard, and Cardarine GW would be good. Don't use HCG, as it may cause such side effects as gyno and suppression. HCGenerate ES is a much better alternative, as it is all natural and has no side effects. Don't cut corners with the PCT, because without a proper PCT you will not keep your gains made on cycle, and will have a much harder time recovering natural tesosterone production.

 

[stevesmi]

you are getting way ahead of yourself here. those dosages are way too much for a 170 pound guy who weighed 150 pounds not long ago. just remember fast gains are not sustainable, you may think you kept your gains but trust me its like building a house with matchsticks. think about the strain you are putting on your body, not just your organ health but how about your soft tissues? getting so strong and bigger, so fast is a major gamble.

if you are just looking for short term results then go for it, but if you want long term proper gains then its time to reexamine your strategy

 

[T-had]

Hey thanks for the advice guys. Ok, this is the cycle that I was wanting to run. Including post cycle, on cycle support. The N2gared would be ran the entire length of cycle

Weeks 1-4 T-bol 50mg or 40 not sure ED
1-16 Test E 500ml
1-16 Eq 600ml
1-23 Aromasin 12.5 EOD 24-25 7.5 eod

PCT
19-20 Gcgemarte es 5 caps ed
19-25 Cardarine GW 501516
21-25 Clamid 50\50\25\25\12.5
21-25 Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/10
21-24 Ostarine 25/25/25/12.5
N2garad 1-25 7 caps a day

I have heard the sweet spot for EQ is around six 600, at least for bulking purposes. With slow steady gains. I have also heard that you need to run EQ for a 16 week cycle. Was considering on front loading it, and trying to get my cycle down to around 12 to 14 weeks. I have read a bit on front loading some say to do it some say not to. If anyone has any opinions on this I would like to hear them. With people say my dosing is too high, I had thought about and am considering dropping my dose down to 450ml Eq. Possibly dropping the T bol down to 30 or 40. Does this sound like a better idea? I'm just trying to get some ideas. I'm wanting to do things right, and also do not want to injure myself. As far as adding too much strength for my ligaments and tendons and whatnot.



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[muskate]

Hey thanks for the advice guys. Ok, this is the cycle that I was wanting to run. Including post cycle, on cycle support. The N2gared would be ran the entire length of cycle

Weeks 1-4 T-bol 50mg or 40 not sure ED
1-16 Test E 500ml
1-16 Eq 600ml
1-23 Aromasin 12.5 EOD 24-25 7.5 eod

PCT
19-20 Gcgemarte es 5 caps ed
19-25 Cardarine GW 501516
21-25 Clamid 50\50\25\25\12.5
21-25 Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/10
21-24 Ostarine 25/25/25/12.5
N2garad 1-25 7 caps a day

I have heard the sweet spot for EQ is around six 600, at least for bulking purposes. With slow steady gains. I have also heard that you need to run EQ for a 16 week cycle. Was considering on front loading it, and trying to get my cycle down to around 12 to 14 weeks. I have read a bit on front loading some say to do it some say not to. If anyone has any opinions on this I would like to hear them. With people say my dosing is too high, I had thought about and am considering dropping my dose down to 450ml Eq. Possibly dropping the T bol down to 30 or 40. Does this sound like a better idea? I'm just trying to get some ideas. I'm wanting to do things right, and also do not want to injure myself. As far as adding too much strength for my ligaments and tendons and whatnot.



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You don't need to front load. Your 16 week cycle lay out as it is right now looks really good to me. However, dose the Tbol at 30mg/day and lower the EQ to 450mg/week. That amount is plenty. Less is more when it comes to PEDs remember.

 

[T-had]

Ok cool, the only reason I was wanted to try to front load was to get the cycle down to 12 to 14 weeks. But I think I'll go ahead and run it for the 16 weeks will run the T bol at 30mg, and if I don't think I got the games I want from a 30 milligrams I can always extend it a week or two. But being my second cycle I will probably just run it for 4. I'm sure I will be happy with it. Thanks everybody for all your input. I will keep posting as I start the cycle to when I finish up. Excited to see what kind gains I will make on the cycle.

My diet will consist mostly of salmon , chicken, turkey, eggs, oatmeal ,fruits, green vegetables. Thinking about throwing some beats in as well.

Salmon, chicken breast dinner and lunch 2/8 ounce steaks
Oatmeal 3 - 6 cups a day definitely post and pre workout along with fruits
Eggs 18 a day. Spread out through the day. Most of time will be taking the yolk out of the eggs two yolks left in for every 6 eggs.
Milk half gallon a day minimum.
Protein drinks 30 grams every 3 hours, along with fruit. Vegetables for dinner mainly broccoli, asparagus, probably some beats I don't know if beats are vegetables or not though.
This is a base for my diet. Will waver from it here and there. But I think you should give me plenty of carbs and protein, not to mention good fats from the salmon. Salmon will only be wild caught

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[gearhead]

bro imo you can do 6 weeks of orals no problem...just add n2guard

 

[MikeSnow]

your revised cycle looks a lot better.. More compounds doesn't mean more results man.. Test only can get you far, but EQ is rather mild and can be a great addition

 

[T-had]

I was thinking about pushing it to 6 weeks with the orals. I will have extra on hand. As long as I'm not feeling any adverse side effects or anything I probably will. I plan on running N2guard with it as well.

I could still out a lot with just test alone, I really like the idea of adding the EQ in there. I was jumping in between the EQ and deca, antique you just sounded for me the better way to go. I was looking at the dbol rather than t-bol, but after reading up on it, even with a anti estrogen. I hear there is still a lot of water weight. That is not what I'm going for it all. My body is naturally lean. I am looking to bulk up, but with the way my body is structured. I think we heart muscle would be the way to go. Tell you the truth after reading about it, I do not see why anybody would use d-bol, t-bol just sounds like a lot better way to go. At least to me.




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[T-had]

bro imo you can do 6 weeks of orals no problem...just add n2guard

I was thinking about pushing it to 6 weeks with the orals. I will have extra on hand. As long as I'm not feeling any adverse side effects or anything I probably will. I plan on running N2guard with it as well.

I could still get a lot with just test alone, I really like the idea of adding the EQ in there. I was jumping in between the EQ and deca, and to me Eq just at least for me the better way to go. I was looking at the dbol rather than t-bol, but after reading up on it, even with a anti estrogen. I hear there is still a lot of water weight. That is not what I'm going for at all. My body is naturally lean. I am looking to bulk up, but with the way my body is structured. I think lean muscle would be the way to go. Tell you the truth after reading about it, I do not see why anybody would use d-bol, t-bol just sounds like a lot better way to go. At least to me.




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[Mrsurgeon28]

Check the perfect PCT in the articles section.

 

[T-had]

Yeah, I read that. It's basically what I made my post cycle with

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