some input from experianced users

[NanotechMick]

Hey Lads,
Jut starting my second cycle whihc is the following,

Week 1-12 Sust 250 = 250mg mon and 250mg thurs
Week 1-14 Boldonone Undeclynate = 250mg tues and 250mg Fri
Week 4-12 Tren Ace = 50mg EOD max 200mg per week
The reason i have the Tren quite low is i havent used it before but im very tolerant to gear so should be ok. This is my first week
i would like to know whats the best PCT and do i need an AI as i have had slight gyno before as i was over weight but its coming down
now as iim losing BFat. I get puffy nips a bit. I want to run this PCT
Week 14-18 Clomid dose ???
Week 14-18 HCG does ???
Possible Nolva or Prami???
A bit of help thanks gents.

 

[alphalife]

No Nolva with Tren. I'd run Aromasin or Adex from day 1 for sure. Run Caber .25mg E3D.

AlphaLife

 

[Mike710]

No Nolva with Tren. I'd run Aromasin or Adex from day 1 for sure. Run Caber .25mg E3D.

AlphaLife

This, also no HCG during pct. Use during the last 2 weeks of cycle.
What is the longest ester in your sust? Not sure if you have that lined up properly with the Undeclynate for optimal pct start time. It should definitely not start at week 14! Pct should start 4 weeks after last pin of such a long ester.

 

[MikeSnow]

this is an absolute mess and you've had slight gyno before? I'd stick with test only and a cutting oral like anavar or winny

 

[NanotechMick]

this is an absolute mess and you've had slight gyno before? I'd stick with test only and a cutting oral like anavar or winny

Thanks for the info guys, I was gonna run Anavar with just test and Eq and dicth the tren all together. This gyno i have was from me being uneducated before
with gear and running lots of deca and test without pct. Also forgot to mention im using 2IU of Saizen ED. (genuine from pharmacist)

 

[RickRock]

Run caber at 0.5mg twice per week and aromasin at 12.5mg EOD on cycle. Run this for PCT

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (www.ag-guys.com)
Liquid Aromasin (www.ag-guys.com)
HCGenerate ES
Ostarine 25mg per day (www.sarms1.com)

 

[NanotechMick]

Run caber at 0.5mg twice per week and aromasin at 12.5mg EOD on cycle. Run this for PCT

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (www.ag-guys.com)
Liquid Aromasin (www.ag-guys.com)
HCGenerate ES
Ostarine 25mg per day (www.sarms1.com)

so are you saying i can run this with the gear in my first post inc the Tren A?

 

[Mike710]

If you just want the original cleaned up go with something like this -
1-15 sust 500mg
1-14 bold 500mg
4-12 tren 200mg <----still not sure if this belongs in this cycle; could also do weeks 1-8bulk or 8-15cut
4-13 caber .5mg 2/wk
1-15 aro 12.5mg eod

Pct -
http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[saleen556]

This being only your second cycle Tren isn't necessary. You'll do great on test/EQ. Bump EQ to 600 a week though. Save Tren for when you need it.

 

[NanotechMick]

If you just want the original cleaned up go with something like this -
1-15 sust 500mg
1-14 bold 500mg
4-12 tren 200mg <----still not sure if this belongs in this cycle; could also do weeks 1-8bulk or 8-15cut
4-13 caber .5mg 2/wk
1-15 aro 12.5mg eod

Pct -
http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

So running Sus and extra week after bold? Is this because you shoul always finish upo with test before PCT? Why wouldnt Tren A belong in this cycle?
Cheers for all your help

 

[stretch512]

With Sust and EQ I don't really see the need for tren - especially 8 weeks of it alongside those other compounds - just doesn't make sense. I'm with saleen your going to see great results with Test and EQ. Also Mike said if you had gyno before and your not running caber with tren well... getting ready to be shut down harder than you have before with much greater risk of gyno.

 

[saleen556]

Tren is one of the strongest drugs with many bad sides. Starting out on less harsh compounds and getting a solid base is the way to go. You would be more than happy with a test/EQ cycle. Think of it like learning the drive. You don't learn to drive a Z06. Your better off in a camaro and working your way safely and learning as you go.

 

[Mike710]

So running Sus and extra week after bold? Is this because you shoul always finish upo with test before PCT? Why wouldnt Tren A belong in this cycle?
Cheers for all your help

Pct timing can be tricky with so many esters. I'm not a huge sust fan, it takes a lot of control out of your hands.
The short ester tren ace is just kind of haphazard in this cycle unless being used for a unique purpose. I would cut the tren and caber, and just roll with what's been recommended above.

 

[NanotechMick]

OK great thanks for all your great knowledge and answers guys i will stick with this cycle. I keep hold of the Tren for later cycles. I am 35 so id say ive gt a few more cycles left in me.
WeeK 1-15 sus 250mg/ml - Mon and thurs total = 500mgs
Week 1-14 EQ 250mg/ml - Tues and fri total = 600Mgs a week
Saizen 2IU ED (HGH)
PCT
Week 16-20 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Week 1-20 Aromisin 12.5 EOD
Will keep you updated with results. Would it be worth running Anavar wit this cycle? say 100mg ED?

 

[stevesmi]

you got good advice in this thread I hope you follow it

 

[NanotechMick]

you got good advice in this thread I hope you follow it

Yes mate will do. I ahve ditched the Tren A all together will save it for maybe next cycle. Whats the expiration date on common oils? I know Sus 250 is like a few years.

 

[stretch512]

Keep it in a cool dark spot you should be good for quite a while. I have read of users digging up old buried gear from years back and still using it.

 

[gymrat827]

OK great thanks for all your great knowledge and answers guys i will stick with this cycle. I keep hold of the Tren for later cycles. I am 35 so id say ive gt a few more cycles left in me.
WeeK 1-15 sus 250mg/ml - Mon and thurs total = 500mgs
Week 1-14 EQ 250mg/ml - Tues and fri total = 600Mgs a week
Saizen 2IU ED (HGH)
PCT
Week 16-20 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Week 1-20 Aromisin 12.5 EOD
Will keep you updated with results. Would it be worth running Anavar wit this cycle? say 100mg ED?

id boost the clomid to 100mg the 1st wk. add hcgenerate or hcgerate es + osta for strength. var not needed at 100mg, you could use it the last 6wks @ 60-70mg if you want more punch out of the run. But honest......Id add to the pct.


you spend all this time/money/effort on the cycle....Make sure you pct is solid as a rock to ensure your new muscle mature's and stay's put.

Hcgen ES + d spark + osta & moving to 100mg of clomid the 1st wk will make things so much different. You wont hit that brick wall into pct and just lose all of your strength in a matter of 7-10 days. The osta will keep a lot there, the hcgen ES will help the clomid (@ 100mg ) do its work and get you producing (LH/FSH) wise and you will recover in half the time.

EQ will have you lifting twice what you can do now. So once that all clears it will be shocking to come back to natty type numbers (even post cycles gain numbers), so this is where the osta comes in. The hcgen ES will run alongside the clomid and act like another serm, but wont have any sides.

run the GH as long as you can man. pick up a few bottles of N2slin for pct if you can.

GL

 

[JackSteel]

Nolva and prami aren't interchangeable. Nolva is a SERM and prami is a prolactin inhibitor. You could use both if you wanted.


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