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Hi all,

A little bit about me, I am from the UK and been training for many years consisting of lots of cardio and weights training each body part 5 days a week. I am planning to use SUS250 500mg E/W for 12 weeks + Arimidex 0.5mg EOD and then wanted to include Var and a PCT.

What is the best way to introduce Var into the cycle?

Should I use Aromasin instead of Arimidex and if so how long for? Should I include Aromasin as part of my PCT?

For the PCT I was planning on running some hcgenerate-es along with Nolva @ 40/20/20/20.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated :)
 
I prefer the new generation aromatase inhibitors. The suicidal AIs like Aromasin are the best for cycles. So, in a head on comparison, it's always best to go with aromasin. 10mgs EOD should be enough, unless you want to run 10mgs ED.
 
kick start with Var definitely.. it will help till the sus250 kicks in. what made you choose sus250 over normal test?
 
Test is test its all preference, running sust I pin eod to take advantage of the prop I noticed it helped a lot after starting with Monday Thursday shots


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Dickie said:
Test is test its all preference, running sust I pin eod to take advantage of the prop I noticed it helped a lot after starting with Monday Thursday shots


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I do eod on sust too. It's awesome

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JuiceDude said:
Hi,

I wanted to try the 4 ester blend plus it is all I have got at the moment :)

Would Test E be a better option?
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The two are basically interchangeable. Testosterone is testerone. The ester only changes injection frequency. With both sustanon and enanthate you are going to want to inject them twice per week.

Aromasin is a better ai choice as it is a suicide ai and there will be no estrogen rebound when you discontinue usage.

Use the anavar as a kick start for your cycle. Run it 6 weeks at 50mg/day and make sure to incorporate a liver aid when using it. I recommend n2guard from n2bm.com at 7 capsules/day.

Weeks 1 - 12
Testosterone 500mg/week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Weeks 1 - 6
Anavar 50mg/day
N2guard from n2bm.com 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect pct protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
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I would definately go with eod injections on sust for the 2 short esters with the var at the beggining. To get that dry look you talking about your on yhe wrong kind of gear sust is h oing too cause water retention your ai will minmize that but getting dry and grainy unless your body fat gets real low not gonna happen. If your pretty lean at the end go like 12.5 aromisin ed and low carb diet youll get pretty dry note this look is not maintainable your just munipulating water. Good luck bro
 
^^^ very true you want super dry and grainy plus similar is say prop and winny would be the way to go, some gw would also keep some bf off


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I would integrate Anavar towards the end of the cycle, for the last 4-6 weeks, at 50 mgs ED. You would definitely need a liver support, and N2Guard would be your best choice. Regarding the choice of AI, Aromasin is surely the best. You should be taking it from the first day of the cycle at 12.5 mgs EOD. And finally, your PCT is pretty weak. Do the perfect PCT for best recovery and to keep as much of the gains as possible - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
Thanks for all the info. Just another question, when I take SUS i usually get very very tired for a few days. I am guessing this is part of the shut down, but how can I prevent this or make it easier to get through?
 
JuiceDude said:
Thanks for all the info. Just another question, when I take SUS i usually get very very tired for a few days. I am guessing this is part of the shut down, but how can I prevent this or make it easier to get through?
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bro might be the "test flu"...or maybe you're overloaded with hormones....you get this often or just the 1st few weeks?
 
Hi, I started sus last week. Pinned twice and now feel lethargic but sleeping very well.


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up vitamin c if you feel the test flu. as for lethargy it could be the body adjusting or that you just aren't getting real quality sleep at night
 
Hi, I am sleeping very well. Must be my body adjusting. What is an ideal number of weeks to run SUS? I was planning 10 to 12 weeks.


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LevButlerov said:
I would integrate Anavar towards the end of the cycle, for the last 4-6 weeks, at 50 mgs ED. You would definitely need a liver support, and N2Guard would be your best choice. Regarding the choice of AI, Aromasin is surely the best. You should be taking it from the first day of the cycle at 12.5 mgs EOD. And finally, your PCT is pretty weak. Do the perfect PCT for best recovery and to keep as much of the gains as possible - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Hi,

I am planning on doing a 12 week cycle of SUS so should I start Var then and run for 6 weeks?

Thanks


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12 too 16 weeks is fine but with sus Id wait 3 weeks too start pct and i like too string pct out for 6 weeks after sus because of the too really long esters.thats why alot of guys run sust with deca because they clear out closer together .
 
I actually take my last sust shot tomorrow and I started my var last week, I did it like that to give that extra boost while the waters are clearing


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I actually take my last sust shot tomorrow and I started my var last week, I did it like that to give that extra boost while the waters are clearing


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This is actually bad idea test is the only thing a male should run by itself people get away with running some orals solo only because there not on long enough for full shutdown so the negatives arent felt but ypur shut down from test anavar is not that androgenic so your sex drive will plumet with sust if you only run it 4 weeks youll be fine because 2 of the esters are so long it will still be in your system until then but 3 weeks after last injection of sust i highly recomend you stop the anavar and begin your pct

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And before anybody says how anavar helped there sex drive during a bridge .the reality is since it was really stanzonol (DHT) it probably did but real var wont
 
jon38 said:
This is actually bad idea test is the only thing a male should run by itself people get away with running some orals solo only because there not on long enough for full shutdown so the negatives arent felt but ypur shut down from test anavar is not that androgenic so your sex drive will plumet with sust if you only run it 4 weeks youll be fine because 2 of the esters are so long it will still be in your system until then but 3 weeks after last injection of sust i highly recomend you stop the anavar and begin your pct

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And before anybody says how anavar helped there sex drive during a bridge .the reality is since it was really stanzonol (DHT) it probably did but real var wont
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Hi there,

So should Var be introduced into a SUS cycle at week 9 and run for 50mg ED?
 
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I would run it the last 6 weeks of your cycle right up to where you start PCT. 50-60mg a day is adequate
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ok so on a 12 week cycle of SUS you are suggesting I start Var for the last 6 week? After my last shot of SUS on week 12 should I wait for 3 weeks to let the long esters clear and then start PCT?
 
I would never run var solo I set it up like that because the eaters are still clearing so my levels would still be up? Is my thinking just a$$backwards?


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Hi,

I have been researching into GW-501516 and was wondering if it is a good idea to stack this with SUS250? If so, how would I introduce it and is this better than using Var?

I can see it is already part of the perfect PCT so it this the ideal time to use it?

Thanks
 
JuiceDude said:
Hi,

I have been researching into GW-501516 and was wondering if it is a good idea to stack this with SUS250? If so, how would I introduce it and is this better than using Var?

I can see it is already part of the perfect PCT so it this the ideal time to use it?

Thanks
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bro adding some cardarine gw 20mgs/ed (from sarms1.com) would boost your cardio...increase fat loss....imo better add some cardarine 20mgs/ed + andarine 25mgs/ed then anavar...
read
http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine-gw-501516-explained
http://www.evolutionary.org/andarine-s-4
 
Hi,

I am now planning on extending the sus250 cycle to 16 weeks. I have some tbol and would like to know when I can introduce this into the cycle? I am currently in week 10 now.

Is now a good time to add 50mg of tbol ED for 6 weeks?

Then wait 3 weeks before starting PCT?

Thanks


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i would start it in a week. 40mg a day is plenty if its good gear. run it a week past your last shot then do pct 1-2 weeks after that.
 
Hi all,

Took my last shot today. Should I wait 4 weeks now before I start the perfect PCT? During these last 4 weeks should I carry on taking my AI?


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JuiceDude said:
Hi all,

Took my last shot today. Should I wait 4 weeks now before I start the perfect PCT? During these last 4 weeks should I carry on taking my AI?


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After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
You can order everything you need the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

The article maps everything out for you perfectly. Immediately after your last injection you start HCGenerate ES and cardarine for 2 weeks.
2 weeks after your last injection you start clomid, nolvadex, cardarine GW, aromasin and ostarine.

Aromasin can either be used throughout our stopped after your last injection and started again 2 weeks after your last injection. I personally would use it throughout just to be on the safe side.
 
muskate said:
After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
You can order everything you need the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

The article maps everything out for you perfectly. Immediately after your last injection you start HCGenerate ES and cardarine for 2 weeks.
2 weeks after your last injection you start clomid, nolvadex, cardarine GW, aromasin and ostarine.

Aromasin can either be used throughout our stopped after your last injection and started again 2 weeks after your last injection. I personally would use it throughout just to be on the safe side.
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Thanks for your help :)
 
muskate said:
After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
You can order everything you need the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

The article maps everything out for you perfectly. Immediately after your last injection you start HCGenerate ES and cardarine for 2 weeks.
2 weeks after your last injection you start clomid, nolvadex, cardarine GW, aromasin and ostarine.

Aromasin can either be used throughout our stopped after your last injection and started again 2 weeks after your last injection. I personally would use it throughout just to be on the safe side.
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Hi,

When is the best time to take clomid, nolvadex, cardarine GW, aromasin and ostarine? Morning, noon or night? After food or on an empty stomach?

Thanks.



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JuiceDude said:
Hi,

When is the best time to take clomid, nolvadex, cardarine GW, aromasin and ostarine? Morning, noon or night? After food or on an empty stomach?

Thanks.

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It is best to space all of them throughout the day, and they will have the best absorption if taken after your meals. Split the cardarine and Ostarine dosages in two, taking the first half in the morning, and the other one before working out or PM on rest days.
 
JuiceDude said:
Hi,

When is the best time to take clomid, nolvadex, cardarine GW, aromasin and ostarine? Morning, noon or night? After food or on an empty stomach?

Thanks.



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I like to run my GW 1-2 hours before my workouts for a boost in endurance

everything else can be spaced out as needed. I would advice taking with some food and water in case your stomach is sensitive

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JuiceDude said:
Hi,

I have been researching into GW-501516 and was wondering if it is a good idea to stack this with SUS250? If so, how would I introduce it and is this better than using Var?

I can see it is already part of the perfect PCT so it this the ideal time to use it?

Thanks
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GW is not a hormone.. you can stack it or run it solo. up to you
 
JuiceDude said:
Hi,

When is the best time to take clomid, nolvadex, cardarine GW, aromasin and ostarine? Morning, noon or night? After food or on an empty stomach?

Thanks.



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It really doesn't matter that much but ideally you would split up your daily dosage into an AM and PM dosage and take the SARMS near a meal. I take my first dosage first thing when I wake up and eat breakfast about 30 minutes later. I take my second dosage about 30 minutes before my last meal before bed.
 
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