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Hey guys, so I just started my 6th week of test-E this morning. (So I've completed 5 weeks of Test-E at 450mg/week) And I'm not noticing any real changes yet. I've gone up in weight from 175 to 179.5 and my body does look like my bf% has actually gone down. I'm eating 3800 calories a day. I want to gain mostly muscle and not fat (I'm at 9-10% bf right now and when I started my cycle). I'm taking 10 mg aromasin EOD. For my diet I'm eating 40% carbs, 40% protein, 20% fat. Should I increase my caloric intake? Are the results that I'm experiencing normal for a test-E cycle. I'm not noticing that much of difference in sex drive although I already had a high sex drive before I started my cycle. I was planning on getting mid-cycle blood next week. I got all my stuff from roidmass so I'm pretty sure it's legit. I've been lifting 6 hours a week. 1 hour a day for 6 days. And my PR's have gone up by 15 lbs in bench for example so maybe it is working.

Basically are my results normal so far and should I change my diet?

Thanks you guys.
 
Well I mean maybe I am noticing the difference, I just expected the difference to be greater. Is the 4.5 lb weight gain a good amount for 5 weeks in? Did you read my post? Your comment doesn't really help me. Should I increase my Test-E dose?
 
There's no way I'm messing up the injection right? I'm using a 1 inch needle and am injecting into the gluteal medius. If by some chance I was injecting into the fat and not realizing it the test would still absorb just more slowly right? So I might feel the test effects later than the normal time frame? I'm not experiencing any PIP or redness or soreness or bumps on the injection site. So I'm probably injecting into the muscle right? I'm injecting high up on the glute on the outer quadrant.
 
It was week 8 for me that I really noticed. Then 8-12 I was just packing it on. I'm going 16 weeks next time.
 
Ah ok good. So I have a finite amount of Test-E. What do you guys think? Do 400 mg/week to make it last longer? Or do 500 mg/week. Or stay with my current 450 mg/week? I have like 16.25 ml left right now. Maybe I should have bought more. But aren't you only supposed to do a 12 week cycle? If you do it for longer than that I thought that could cause permanent problems with your endocrine system.
 
Do 500mg/week and buy more. I don't think there's a huge problem with 16 weeks if you do proper PCT and time off (time on + PCT = time off).
 
j0hnqd03 said:
Do 500mg/week and buy more. I don't think there's a huge problem with 16 weeks if you do proper PCT and time off (time on + PCT = time off).
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Sigh, I wish roidmass didn't have a 400 dollar minimum. I'll think about doing that though. Anybody else agree with that assessment?
 
Go to napsgear.org or promedications.cc. You'll have it inside 3 weeks. I've had good luck with Dragon Pharma products.
 
Cool thanks guys, I'll check em out. Are they an approved vendor on here? I guess I can check that myself.
 
chaser55 said:
Hey guys, so I just started my 6th week of test-E this morning. (So I've completed 5 weeks of Test-E at 450mg/week) And I'm not noticing any real changes yet. I've gone up in weight from 175 to 179.5...
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That 4-1/2lbs. surely isn't all muscle, but it's a sizable gain for five weeks nonetheless.
 
chaser55 said:
Sigh, I wish roidmass didn't have a 400 dollar minimum. I'll think about doing that though. Anybody else agree with that assessment?
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I agree with it. As he stated, as long as you engage in a proper PCT and stay off for sixteen weeks afterwards, you will be fine. Just make damn sure that you stay off for no fewer than sixteen weeks. Don't fuck yourself up.

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chaser55 said:
Got it, thanks!
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You're welcome.
 
chaser55 said:
Cool thanks guys, I'll check em out. Are they an approved vendor on here?
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No, they're not. Yet I still deal with Promedcations.cc all but exclusively because, in my opinion, they are the best. Best of all, I cop not sell juice. Nor am I associated with Naps/Promediactions in anyway. I'm just an old, broken-down, retired cameraman.

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chaser55 said:
It means I've found 10mg doses of aromasin. From roidmass

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Oh. Okay. I'll snag some from them. Thank you again, chaser. Now go chaser. ;-)
 
200 mg per cc. Ohhhh shit. I can't do math. So I am doing 500 mg per week.

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chaser55 said:
200 mg per cc. Ohhhh shit. I can't do math. So I am doing 500 mg per week.

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All good all good like I said I was just curious! Personally I'd up it a bit anyways like maybe 1.5cc! But really bro like some of the other guys said nearly 5lbs weight and 15ish increase in pr's are good gains! I know it's hard but try not to be too impatient and keep the work level high!

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780general said:
All good all good like I said I was just curious! Personally I'd up it a bit anyways like maybe 1.5cc! But really bro like some of the other guys said nearly 5lbs weight and 15ish increase in pr's are good gains! I know it's hard but try not to be too impatient and keep the work level high!

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Alright cool. I might do that if I can get some more test - E. Yeah this is my first cycle so I didn't know what was normal or a good amount of gains. But compared to being natural 5 lbs in 5 weeks is really good I guess.

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500mg is for maintenance, and you doing 450 ?
Do 750mg a week bro.. then you will see results.
500mg monday
250 md Thursday
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Are you sure? The guys that first advised me on here said 500 was enough for a first cycle. They said to wait until your 3rd cycle for 800. If I can get some more which I'll probably order tomorrow, I'll maybe increase to that amount.

Anyone else think I should go to 750? I might just wait until my next cycle to do that much.

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zirapb47 said:
500mg is for maintenance, and you doing 450 ?
Do 750mg a week bro.. then you will see results.
500mg monday
250 md Thursday
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Haha maintenance?! 500mg/week gave me a test level of 2677ng/dl on week 8. I'd say that's a little above normal.
 
I did my first cycle 750mg bro.
First 2 weeks 500 then another 10 week 750 and last 2 week back to 500.
Did blood at week 7th and test was 4950pmol/l
Sex drive over the roof.. felt like i'm superman lol.. never felt tired from job or workout.. but make sure get legit oil.it was good feeling..


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Yeah that's what I thought. I'm getting blood checked next week. And the guys that originally advised me had like 12000 posts and you only have 15 so I'm going to take their advice over yours. I know you can go up to 1 gram of test a week. But that's for really experienced users not a first timer like me.

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Because with 450mg you are not getting results ay ?? Go for higher dose then.. normal test e kick in week 3-4


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Hmmmm ok I'll do some more research and try to buy some more test tomorrow. And I'll definitely kick it up to 600 mg. Maybe more. I can always do another cycle later. I'm not in any rush.

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I'd rather not do enough than do too much. That's just my view when it comes to steroids.

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I'm new to evo but normally I do experience on my self.. so i did 750mg and it was good for me.. but your choice bro.. everyone different.. go for blood test first....


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chaser55 said:
Hmmmm ok I'll do some more research and try to buy some more test tomorrow. And I'll definitely kick it up to 600 mg. Maybe more. I can always do another cycle later. I'm not in any rush.

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Yeah good do atleast 600mg/week and watch the results bro.. make sure you split the dose in 2 days.. [emoji1303][emoji1303][emoji1303]


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chaser55 said:
Hmmmm ok I'll do some more research and try to buy some more test tomorrow. And I'll definitely kick it up to 600 mg. Maybe more. I can always do another cycle later. I'm not in any rush.

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That sounds like a plan. If 600 mgs won't give you the desired results, then some changes need to be made with nutrition, training or gear, as this dosage should be plenty for most to get very good results.

chaser55 said:
I'd rather not do enough than do too much. That's just my view when it comes to steroids.

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That is one good approach to the issue.
 
Mobster said:
No it is not. 500mg is plenty.
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I strongly agree with the Mobster, especially in light of the fact that chaser is a tyro with respect to AAS. Hell, I'm currently in the 10th week of my twentieth cycle, have never injected more than 500mgs. o' Test' per week, and I am still realizing good to very good results with that dosage.

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My suggestion, chaser: stick with 500mgs. Perhaps change UGLs, but keep your dosage at 500mgs.
 
chaser55 said:
It means I've found 10mg doses of aromasin. From roidmass

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Also BTW, I don't see 10mg/EOD of Aromasin (Exemestane) being enough to suppress Estradiol levels at 500mg/week. I was taking 25mg/day and Estradiol was still on the high side at 59pg/mL (>39 is considered high). I would link to the study, but I can't post links. Here is the synopsis with the name of the study so you can see for yourself. Hope this helps...

Exemestane-The Underdosed AI

Ok so let me start off by saying there have been some great threads and great discussions and contributions recently. One that particularly caught my attention was the Aromasin thread started by Mickey. It was particularly of interest because I had been doing a lot of research on exemestane at that very time.

Its important when we look at AI's and data from studies etc its important that we use data on males. There are several key differences in an ai's effects in men and women. First and foremost is they are more effective in women at reducing estrogen. Second is they have a much longer half life in women than they do in men. Very often people misquote how much an ai will reduce estrogen based on data taken from a study on females. So when you look at studies on ai's,on males you find one thing out very quickly. There are plenty available on anastrozole and letrozole and there is essentially 1 with all inclusive data on exemestane. Luckily that one holds some very solid and applicable data for our purposes.

Key Points of Study:

1- Take Exemestane with dietary fats. They administered it this was in this study, referencing another study which showed an increase in the absorption of exemestane of 40% when taken with fats.

2- Exemestane administered at25mg/day vs 50mg/day offered minimal difference in estrogen levels. While the 50mg/day lowered levels more quickly both dosages ultimately ended up at virtually the same estrogen levels. I suspect the increased androgens of a cycle might alter this slightly and a slight more of a difference would be observed with 50mg/day over 25mg/day it is very obvious that 25mg/day is the optimal therapeutic dose for this drug.

3- Exemestane had either no negative effect or a positive effect on igf and lipids at either dose (25 or 50mg/day). Its interesting in and of itself something that lowers estrogen can have no impact on these things, the fact that there is a positive impact is pretty amazing.

4- Exemestane had a dramatic effect in reducing estrogen, but at both 25mg/day and 50mg/day while estrogen levels were low they were within the clinical range. So it is VERY difficult to "crush"estorgen levels with exemestane. This is huge as anyone that has experienced this with letrozolle or anastrozole will tell you it is no picnic and it is also very unhealthy as well.

5- Exemstane exhibits a half life in males between 8-9hrs. Because of the way ot works this is not indicative of the effective time of the drug. However it is worth paying attention too - something i have previously dismissed.


So based on my personal experience with exemestane, and all the things I read above, all the under dosed stane posts i see across the various forums, and some great discussions here, I had come to the conclusion that we are dosing exemstane too low. We have a compound here with a clear optimal therapeutic dosage of 25mg. It will lower your estrogen levels but not crush them even at a high dose. It has a positive or no effect on the normal areas of concern when lowering estrogen like igf and cholesterol. It has a very short half life.

We have a study here of males not taking testosterone, where they are taking 25-50mg/day and keeping estrogen levels low but within the clinical range. That is our exact goal! As I looked at this more and more it became apparent to me that my thoughts on dosage and administration frequency were in fact incorrect, Not only were they thoughts I subscribed too, but ones that are widely subscribed too. Why would we take less than these males when we have more androgens present? It makes no sense.Well in my opinion the answer is we shouldn't be. I decided I was going to be a guinea pig myself and play with exemestane dosages and get blood work my next cycle. I had become convinced and speculated the optimal protocol for my cycle,which would consist of a test base of 500mgs/week, would be 25mgs of exemestane/day. Broken up into 2 - 12,5 mg doses taken with fats.

Now had I not been browsing the various forums today I wouldn't be posting this. I came across a post of bloodwork from a gentleman, on cycle, 500mgs test/week , taking 25mgs exemestane per day, in 2 -12,5 mg doses with meals and his estrogen levels were safely within reference range!

That pretty much sealed it for me. I seriously think we are taking too little exemestane. I am going to do blood work when I go on cycle but at this point I dont think this is speculation. The study data backs it. The real world data backs it (good and bad), and you have a drug even at high doses that offers nothing in the way of traditional negative effects when lowering estrogen, positively impact some of those effects, and is very difficult to crash estrogen levels when taking.

I firmly believe that an increase in dosage and frequency of administration combined with taking with dietary fats will improve the effectiveness of exemestane. I really do believe that is the proper dose, taken in the proper way to ensure maximal effectiveness. It has taken some time for me to evolve this opinion and much discussion with some great guys here. Always learning.

Anyway I wanna Hear your guys thoughts on this. Oh and here is the study reference : Pharmacokinetics and Dose Finding of a Potent Aromatase Inhibitor, Aromasin (Exemestane), in Young Males

ps- Special thanks to Mickey Knox and all those who participated in that Aromasin and several related threads. There are too many people too mention new and old members all made great contributions.
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Hmm, I mean the only evidence that my estrogen might be high is my blood pressure going from 120/74 to 129/76. I'm not experiencing any tenderness around my nipples or anything. I'm getting blood taken next week though so I'll know for sure then. Anyone else think I should up my aromasin? Which would be better, 20 mg EOD or 10 mg ED?

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Are there any downsides to taking too much aromasin? Probably not right besides wasting aromasin? Whereas there are downsides to not taking enough.
 
chaser55 said:
Hmm, I mean the only evidence that my estrogen might be high is my blood pressure going from 120/74 to 129/76. I'm not experiencing any tenderness around my nipples or anything. I'm getting blood taken next week though so I'll know for sure then. Anyone else think I should up my aromasin? Which would be better, 20 mg EOD or 10 mg ED?

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Are there any downsides to taking too much aromasin? Probably not right besides wasting aromasin? Whereas there are downsides to not taking enough.
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Well...aromasin is a pretty forgiving AI. It's pretty hard to crush your estrogen levels with aromasin but remember that some estrogen is needed for normal sexual function and muscle gain. It's not a hormone you want to eliminate completely - you just want to keep it in the normal range.

The only way to know for sure where your estrogen levels are at are through blood work. You want to have your estrogen right smack dab in the normal range.
 
Can anyone help me with what exactly to get tested on? I'm going to go to LabCorp and get a test without my doctor seeing my results. I know testosterone and estrogen. There are a lot of options though:
143255
Testosterone, Free and Weakly Bound

144980
Testosterone, Free, Direct

004226
Testosterone, Total

140103
Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone

Anyone ever get testing at LabCorp before and know the numbers or names of what to get tested for? If you just know the general names I can figure it out through their website.
 
j0hnqd03 said:
Haha maintenance?! 500mg/week gave me a test level of 2677ng/dl on week 8. I'd say that's a little above normal.
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Those are very dismal results for 500mg of test...
By the bloods, looks like it's 50% dosed as it's only twice your normal range... Should be double that figure.
Sorta explains why it took 8 weeks for your gains to come on.

zirapb47 said:
I did my first cycle 750mg bro.
First 2 weeks 500 then another 10 week 750 and last 2 week back to 500.
Did blood at week 7th and test was 4950pmol/l
Sex drive over the roof.. felt like i'm superman lol.. never felt tired from job or workout.. but make sure get legit oil.it was good feeling..
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These bloods look better for 500mg of test...

When you look at the above you can see why there is a conflict of advice...

Me personally, I find 750mg has always been my sweet spot.

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FYI I was taking 1,125mg of test e and my bloods were 11,588ng/dl of total test.
Pretty much spot on for the stated dosage.

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sssxc said:
Those are very dismal results for 500mg of test...
By the bloods, looks like it's 50% dosed as it's only twice your normal range... Should be double that figure.
Sorta explains why it took 8 weeks for your gains to come on.



These bloods look better for 500mg of test...

When you look at the above you can see why there is a conflict of advice...

Me personally, I find 750mg has always been my sweet spot.

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No my normal was 405ng/dl. Also JP said that level is about right. I guess the rule of thumb is 5 times your weekly intake should equal your test level. So 500mg/week X 5 = 2,500ng/dl and mine was 2677 so that's about right.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...sgear-52726.html?viewfull=1&page=3#post893385
 
j0hnqd03 said:
No my normal was 405ng/dl. Also JP said that level is about right. I guess the rule of thumb is 5 times your weekly intake should equal your test level. So 500mg/week X 5 = 2,500ng/dl and mine was 2677 so that's about right.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...sgear-52726.html?viewfull=1&page=3#post893385
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Check clinical application screenshot, not "bro science" or "rule of thumb".

Cannot argue official clinical application results...

It states MINIMUM baseline after 7 days from single injection.

Now with your example you have stated after several weeks of usage you had bloods done, so one would think your blood concentration would be at its peak, right?

My result was 401.8nmol on 4.5mls of test enanthate 250mg/ml, which equates to 11,579ng/dl...
Why such a massive difference between your results and mine?
And surprising your results are exactly 50% less than mine...

My underground lab was ridiculously overdosed? Lol I wish...

There is a pretty good reason why it's week 8 and that's when your starting to put on weight and I have given you the answer.

Not giving you shit, just showing you the facts so you can make an informed decision.
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sssxc said:
Check clinical application screenshot, not "bro science" or "rule of thumb".

Cannot argue official clinical application results...

It states MINIMUM baseline after 7 days from single injection.

Now with your example you have stated after several weeks of usage you had bloods done, so one would think your blood concentration would be at its peak, right?

My result was 401.8nmol on 4.5mls of test enanthate 250mg/ml, which equates to 11,579ng/dl...
Why such a massive difference between your results and mine?
And surprising your results are exactly 50% less than mine...

My underground lab was ridiculously overdosed? Lol I wish...

There is a pretty good reason why it's week 8 and that's when your starting to put on weight and I have given you the answer.

Not giving you shit, just showing you the facts so you can make an informed decision.
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Thanks for this. Yeah I think my Test E from Generic Labs was underdosed. Then I started using Dragon Pharma 6 weeks later. Look up their test results on anaboliclabs. Then tested 2 weeks later. It's possible the good gear didn't take effect until late in my cycle and hence the low end of the ng/dl scale. Thanks for the info and will definitely be sticking with high quality gear from now on [emoji106]
 
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