Guys, a common side effect to these ph's are just plane ole lethargy. It sucks, I don't know why but its just a side. Someone more knowledgeable will have to chime in but trust me I am with ya on this one. Beast has given me this, I take q10 to control my bp and take a stim to help cope with lethargy. This has helped out and like Sky has said to try and not overload the liver by taking too many different supps and liver aid. Forged liver support by itself on cycle is enough, you can take something like liv-52 and/or milk thistle while off pre and post cycle.