Hcg on cycle

[AnalogMan]

This has been a never ending battle on every forum on the internet. I'd like to explain a few things about its benefits on cycle vs. post cycle. Hopefully, this will help you make a more informed decision on how and when to administer HCG. So let's get started...

When does suppression occur? Does it happen on cycle, or post cycle? You don't get shut down after your cycle is over. So wouldn't it make more sense to do something about while it's happening, rather than attempting to fix a problem that's been broken for 12 or so weeks? Of course it does!!!

Do not make an attempt at planning an HCG "Blast" after your cycle is done. This is an old school method and while it may help, it certainly is not the ideal way to handle this situation. You're in much better hands if you run HCG on cycle so that you can prevent testicular atrophy, mimic your suppressed luteinizing hormone and keep that natural testosterone factory in business. All these things add up to a faster, more efficient recovery. I've said this a million times before and I'll say it again here. HCG is your seatbelt. Does it make sense to wear your seatbelt after you get in a wreck? Of course not! So wear your seatbelt for the ride.


Monitor Blood Work: It's important to make sure you're checking your blood levels throughout your cycle. Failure to do so will result in too many imbalances and recovery would prove to be a difficult task. Blood work should be done pre-cycle, mid cycle and post cycle therapy (pct).

Post Cycle Therapy: Obviously the most important one saved for last. Avoid the use of AI's and/or HCG during post cycle therapy (pct). HCG is suppressive and AI's along with SERMS can cause damage to your E2 levels. You need SERMS and SERMS Only. The 2 serms you need are Clomid and Nolva. Yes, both are required for the betterment of your recovery. And No, they are not identical compounds. Nolva boosts the effects of clomid because it put Clomid into "competition" mode where they both fight for a receptor to bind to. This competitiveness will ONLY happen with the presence of BOTH compounds and will inevitably resolve the issue of excess estrogen in the Hypothalamus. This will trigger both LH and FSH to crank UP, as the high estrogen in this cluster is suppressive. You need the synergy so don't take chances.

For entertainment purposes only....................... AnalogMan

 

[paja]

Nice post bro a lot of good info

 

[gymrat827]

Nice read man

 

[texas monster]

I have done both ways.....used maintanence dose while on and blasted before.....have never used nolva because it is shit.

The best bang for your buck is to actually run a combinationg of HCG and HMG at the end of your cycle. This is just my personal preference.

I will do 150 ius HMG a week and 2000 ius hcg eod for 3-4 weeks. This gets the boys nice and plump and then I switch over to serms and psytoserms.

The problem people have is not running enough hcg at the end. They think that 5000-10000 ius is enough when it really isnt. The only problem is that your body adapts very quickly. So you can only run it at most 4 weeks at a time.

The other problem is that when you use it on cycle you are confusing your body even more......really high levels of androgens telling the hpta to shut down production......but you still have production going on......and in the end it is just having another drug to deal with on cycle and balancing your AI......so you have no idea how to control E2 from the compound you are using.

The best method is what ever gets your bloods to normal the fastest and in the end everyone will repsond differently.

 

[Flip Digler]

Now does this matter if you are on a stack or if you are just running test only ,TRT ?


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[AnalogMan]

Let's establish what we are trying to accomplish here. You just got done with your cycle and you've been suppressed for however many weeks. We want to bring our (NATURAL) HPTA back to life, can we all agree on that? If you said No, please ask Mom is she dropped you on your head when you were a baby. Moving on...

HCG is suppressive! Since we know that HCG mimics LH, then we know that in the presence of exogenous LH, the pituitary gland will not produce LH. Hang on a minute! You see "NATURAL" above. So which one is natural? The one I just induced by using HCG, or the one coming from the pituitary? Doh! The pituitary of course! So why? Why on earth would you want to suppress your pituitary with HCG when you're trying to recover?! Ain't nobody got time for dat! "Are we clear on this one, folks? If you said No, you know what to do.....

So next time you read ------ ------. Tell him that he is a dingdong, and he's hurting a lot of people with his statements.

SERMS! Clomid and Nolva are not suppressive. In fact, they work on your brain to help the pea sized gland pump out your precious LH. That is all you should be using for post cycle therapy (pct). Otherwise, it would be like walking into a closed door and never being able to get inside. Would you constantly walked into a door without being able to get inside? Wait... that's doing the wrong thing over and over again. I'm pretty sure that's referred to as insane. Ok, enough comedy. You'll need to make your own decisions "for sure " , the best way to predict your future, is to "create" it......................AnalogMan

 

[Flip Digler]

And class is out of session ! I always thought , and this is ol school ,back in the days type thinking , that you finished a cycle and take a shot of hcg and POOF ! Our boys are blooming once again , and had know Idea that hcg is suppressive . Right on Analog , another lesson that makes complete sense , and should be added to your book on Steriods For Dummies . Wait , don't write that , then I would have to pay for this knowledge ! Even tho I would !


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[AnalogMan]

Quiet Flattering ,Just trying to do my part Flip , for the "good" brothers like you, I have a "world" of info .................AnalogMan

And class is out of session ! I always thought , and this is ol school ,back in the days type thinking , that you finished a cycle and take a shot of hcg and POOF ! Our boys are blooming once again , and had know Idea that hcg is suppressive . Right on Analog , another lesson that makes complete sense , and should be added to your book on Steriods For Dummies . Wait , don't write that , then I would have to pay for this knowledge ! Even tho I would !


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[texas monster]

Yes this is why you do not use serms and hcg at the same time because they will not work properly.

As far as being suprressed the amount of time is up to you. HCG and HMG will suppress you but they are only used to kickstart testicular function.

You can blast hcg and hmg before your pct or you can use it on cycle. It is personal preference to what works best. Regaurdless you will be coming off both of them at the end of your cycle and be running serms only.

 

[Amozoc]

So for my netx pct only do i have to use Nolva along whit Clomid and any AI?

 

[Kansui]

Things seem to be going full circle on the forums. Another forum preaches that SERMS like nolva and Clomid are rubbish and recovery can be attained using particular herbal products and Formastane.
Now some if the same people are dropping that idea and returning to advocating SERMS for recovery.
It's just interesting to observe how attitudes change and change again.
I will be using nolva and Clomid for my PCT.

Good post - great read - thanks.


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[Amozoc]

God dose for clomid please

 

[AnalogMan]

I had to repost this folks, I have a different thought on this whole Idea... Just trying to keep it real...My real, two part story here...AnalogMan

 

[gangstalo]

Agree with you AM.. I am running small dose hcg 250 iu sundays and wednesdays throughout my current test/eq cycle.

 

[Beedix]

I'm using 250iu e3d of HCG for the purposes of fertility. Really a staple if you want to have a child when "on"


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[sportsfun2]

That means either you go with nolva and clomid for pct and during cycle hcg 1-2 times a week or alternative you blast hcg before pct and use clomid and nolva in pct.....am you said avoid ai in pct....reading on this forum i allways get the info that ai is a must in pct and in all sample cycles shown here you will find either aromasin or liquidex in pct....i am confused as i respect all f you pros opinion in cycle advise....but you have total differenf philosophy on things in pct whats confusing people???is now clomid and an ai enough with sarms and ph stack or should we go with clomid and nolva instead?or is serm stack only for aas?pls help out albert paja am dylan...many thx

 

[Valkyrie]

Bonus Info: Reconstituted HCG when reconstituted with Bac Water will hold stable refridgerated for about a month. When reconstituted with the sterile water that comes with some pharma/generic kits stability is shortened to less than a week. When planning your dosing keep this in mind and do not purchase more iu in a vial than will be used in one month.

 

[jbranken]

Bonus Info: Reconstituted HCG when reconstituted with Bac Water will hold stable refridgerated for about a month. When reconstituted with the sterile water that comes with some pharma/generic kits stability is shortened to less than a week. When planning your dosing keep this in mind and do not purchase more iu in a vial than will be used in one month.

Very good info. I always recon hcg with bac

 

[paja]

That why I always have a box of bac wat in my house

 

[gymrat827]

I think hcg should be used while on or blasted before serm use. Either way u want & need it to help along with the serms and T boosters.

It works and should not be left out. I think it be used either way, but the point is to make use if it one way or another.

 

[AnalogMan]

re post Pm's.....AnalogMan

 

[EER]

glad this got bumped!!!

 

[EER]

So how much HCG and when do u start it, if you're doing the standard 12 week cycle?

 

[Shrine]

Ive always started 2 weeks before pct

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[Rooster]

So how much HCG and when do u start it, if you're doing the standard 12 week cycle?

This is my question as well... I am so confused with the proper dose. I have in hand alpha pharma hcg for my next 12 week sust cycle. Seems like everywhere i look for proper dosage I get conflicting advice. I recently learned that it comes with sodium chloride, I assume if I want to mix and keep refrigerated I need to mix with BAC, ugh....Confusing! I still have no idea on proper dose.

 

[Araris]

Another great post Analog Man, thank you for all the info you put out there for us bro.. We're all very lucky to have access to someone who will break everything down for us, and is willing to go point-counterpoint with bro's to help them understand. Keep it comin


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[Araris]

This is my question as well... I am so confused with the proper dose. I have in hand alpha pharma hcg for my next 12 week sust cycle. Seems like everywhere i look for proper dosage I get conflicting advice. I recently learned that it comes with sodium chloride, I assume if I want to mix and keep refrigerated I need to mix with BAC, ugh....Confusing! I still have no idea on proper dose.

I'm sure Analog or any of the other bro's more knowledgable than me could set you up with a dose better than me, but I'll just give you my experience. My doc prescribes me HCG to keep me fertile because I'm on lifelong TRT. He prescribes me 10,000iu every 2 months at 2,500iu per week for 4 weeks. When I go on cycle despite how long it's been since last HCG I take it again weeks 4-8, then again after week 12. He claims constant use will not help any further as the body will adapt, and says there has been no studies done on the long term effects of constant HCG use. Again I'm just following a dr's advice on this. Hopefully it helps. Oh and I always use BAC water to reconstitute



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[paja]

I personally run 250-500 every 3 days when I'm blasting