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bigdog6693
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Do yall think that to becone the pros they are, that they would completley come off steriods by cycling on and off? Or do u think they stay on year round?
liftflinn
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They definitely stay on the whole time.
I've read forums that say pros cruise on 1g of test, plus other anabolics. I would imagine though that they run crazy amounts of gear year round - you look at Phil Heath guest posing in the middle of the off season, and he is still peeled as fuck.
I've read forums that say pros cruise on 1g of test, plus other anabolics. I would imagine though that they run crazy amounts of gear year round - you look at Phil Heath guest posing in the middle of the off season, and he is still peeled as fuck.
bigdog6693
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Wats crazy bro is idk if u know rich piana. But he said he has always taken cycles. That motherfucker is jacked, i dont see how he could of.
liftflinn
Growing Brother
Man I don't think anybody in the spotlight is totally honest about their gear usage, even Rich.
Maybe Bostin Loyd is, but he has some pretty heinous advice too (like re-using needles to save money) and I think he actually talks up how much gear he uses to make it seem crazier than it is
Its like when you hear Dorian talk about cycles - he reckons he came off when he was at the Olympia level, and even when he was on only using a couple of grams of gear a week. I mean come on, there is no way you are ever coming off the drugs when you are at the Olympia level, those guys are like walking science experiments.
Plus, Rich owns a supplement company. Of course he isn't going to put it all down to the juice, otherwise nobody will buy his proprietary blends.
Maybe Bostin Loyd is, but he has some pretty heinous advice too (like re-using needles to save money) and I think he actually talks up how much gear he uses to make it seem crazier than it is
Its like when you hear Dorian talk about cycles - he reckons he came off when he was at the Olympia level, and even when he was on only using a couple of grams of gear a week. I mean come on, there is no way you are ever coming off the drugs when you are at the Olympia level, those guys are like walking science experiments.
Plus, Rich owns a supplement company. Of course he isn't going to put it all down to the juice, otherwise nobody will buy his proprietary blends.
bigdog6693
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U make lots of sense bro! Thats wat scares me is im only 21 and i have been on test e for almost a year straight. But for my show thats coming upin 9 weeks, ive added tren e, and im going to throw in some winn, ephedra, and oral tren to. I guess just switching compounds is the main thing
At one time, I believe some pros probably did come off. If you look at Arnold in off season he looks very undersized and much softer compared to how he looked on the Olympia stage. However, them guys back then didn't have near the size that they do today. The guys competing today can't come off, and to maintain those monstrous physiques requires even cruising at a pretty high dose along with GH, slin, etc.
Yeah, you need either 1 Large Sponsor, or a Whole lot of Smaller Sponsors, to have the Money Required to Run all that Gear.
Those Guys are always doing something, it may Vary a Little Pro to Pro, but the Gear is Necessary at Today's Level of Competition.......... JP
Those Guys are always doing something, it may Vary a Little Pro to Pro, but the Gear is Necessary at Today's Level of Competition.......... JP
Mason Kray
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There on something all year round. They will mix it up and change it round. but they don't do time on + PCT = time off.
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your123man
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Genetics play a huge fucking role. I know someone personally who just turned pro recently at bantam weight, whos black, and has the IDEAL body type for bb. He hadnt touched aas while competing npc. He just started this week, and if he reacts well, i can see him cycling and not being on year round. However, in todays day of gear, i cant imagine being olympia level and cycling
we had a thread about this a month ago and a lot of guys got butt hurt in it but I will say what I said in that one.
those guys stay on multiple compounds year round.. they don't cruise on test lol. a cruise to them is a gram of test with EQ, tren and an oral .. with some HGH and slin as icing.
i'm being facetious but that's pretty damn close to reality
there are NORMAL JOE'S at your gym who are in atleast 3 compounds year round at a minimum of 1-2grams a week who look like they barely lift. I know cause I am friends with guys like that. so you really expect me to believe that pro's come off? or that pro's run a TRT dose of test as a cruise? lol okay
those guys stay on multiple compounds year round.. they don't cruise on test lol. a cruise to them is a gram of test with EQ, tren and an oral .. with some HGH and slin as icing.
i'm being facetious but that's pretty damn close to reality
there are NORMAL JOE'S at your gym who are in atleast 3 compounds year round at a minimum of 1-2grams a week who look like they barely lift. I know cause I am friends with guys like that. so you really expect me to believe that pro's come off? or that pro's run a TRT dose of test as a cruise? lol okay
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Good stuff!! These are the REAL questions and answers that we all want to hear. The question in my mind is this. Myostatin. One of the reasons that we all cycle is that if you dont in theory YOUR GAINS WILL STOP. So, staying on is counter productive. These guys thou STAY ON YEAR ROUND.
I think the truth is this. If you dont care about your health, being suppressed and all you want to do with your life is be a beast I think you can make continuous gains upward.
the_waco_kid
Buff Brother
Ummmm...... Bingo. This is exactly right IMo
You are pretty much right bro, but maybe this helps..
Three things....
1) Genetics. A lot of the top pros in the world have a genetic mutation at the MSTN gene which is responsible for myostatin levels. Dennis James has an interview out there discussing Big Ramys myostatin deficiency and why he is able to continually grow at an unprecedented rate in a short amount of time, and now has more mass than anybody despite his very young age.
2) Myostatin allegedly will baseline eventually after being on high doses 20+ weeks! which will allow growth to occur again. Obviously this is very unhealthy and impractical, but if you are looking to be the best and biggest, you just stay on high doses
3) a "cruise" can be any hormone level that is less than what you blast with. Even if they are cruising on a gram of test, some Tren, EQ, and whatever else, when they blast again they will probably triple or quadruple that amount giving the boost necessary for growth. When you raise your levels that much you will overcome any myostatin, at least for a while, and these guys will continue to push it as far as they need to keep the growth coming. When you are 100 pounds over your natural genetic potential, it takes a lot of gear to cruise on to maintain it. A TRT dose of a normal man would strip their size down in a hurry. Take a look at a lot of former pros that don't run high doses anymore because they no longer compete, and a lot of them look like your average guy now.
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How may pros really have a deficiency though? Because I've read a few I heard about were myths. But then again it would make more sense as to how they manage to get so damn big. Although props to Evan centopani because I'm pretty sure he was just a fat kid at one time or in other words just a real big dude.
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bigdog6693
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The thing is, the reason y i askef that is because u have guys like rich piana saying that of his 25 years of using aas he has cycled on and off. Luke i dont believe it cause look how fucking big he is. And its not like he trying to sell a supplement cause he even came out and admitted that he lied to people just to get them to buy the mutant products when he was sponsored by them, and he said he felt like shit. So do u think he would lie about cycling?
I like SOME of the things that Rich Piana says (he's more honest than most of the others out there). But I seriously doubt that he's ever been OFF. If anything, he just changes out substances. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on him always running HGH + many other things while he's "off" (and probably cruising on test [if not more] simultaneously). When he says he's off, I have a feeling he's more saying he isn't blasting at that time and is just cruising on multiple substances.
He says he doesn't use Synthol. He's used that one permanent filler (that's used in Brazilian butt lifts)... The tiny little ceramic balls or w/e in his torn bicep so it didn't look so weird. But he claims he doesn't use Synthol. Just a lot of gear, HGH, peptides, and then that one permanent filler for that one application. But only he knows if he's telling the truth or not lol.
Not synthol, PMMA. It's basically microscopic silicon balls injected into bodyparts that he wanted to look huge (arms, shoulders) Hence the reason he has 29" arms with such little definition. Some things he does speak the truth of though, but only if he can benefit from it.
There are two copies of the MSTN gene. I doubt there are many people who have a mutation in both copies, but I will venture to say that the majority of pros have at least one mutation in one copy...
Intense1013
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I placed in the top 5 of a few npc national shows and I've known a lot of good amateurs and a few pros. Everyone does it a little different. I knew one guy who would come off completely and shrink to normal size only to go back on before a contest and transform into a beast. I, myself would only come off for two months right after a contest. But most guys I knew never came off at all and the amount they took was only dependant on what they could afford. No blast and cruise usually, just whatever they could get. 1 pro I know turned pro at 25 and had been on since he was 16 with no time off. The last trainer I had, who trained several big name guys, told me that there was no reason to ever come off.
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No I don't personally. What's to gain? Plus when he comes off AAS he stays on growth so it's probably not that hard for him to keep size off cycle.
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Lol yeah. In terms of having hpta shut down I suppose it's technically "off" lol
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He is a total moron. Ever heard the cycles he prescribes to beginners? Ever heard the cycles he suggests for experienced? He's a fuck head.
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No he isn't. Your passing on a dumb rumor that he has refuted and explained many times.
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You need to touch up on your knowledge bud I'm sorry. These aren't rumors at all. You can stay as naive as you wish though. Hey did you know George bush went to war because of weapons of mass destruction? It's true cause he said it on tv.
Look for the letters his ex wrote she explains it in detail. And also a close friend of mine who owns a nutrition company in southern Cali confirmed this with me as well (cause he knows the doctor in Mexico)
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I'm sorry do you spend hours researching piana's synthol rumors?? Lmao Okay so an EX girlfriend (and we all KNOW ex gfs don't like to lie about ex bfs
) and then you know a guy who knows a guy who's a doctor in Mexico lol. Bro you may want suck those words back up to keep from sounding retarded. THATS THE DEFINITION OF A RUMOR. Also I'm a 9/11 truther so shove your smart ass bush comment lol
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I'm another note, even if he did use either one of those things, why do you care so much? Rich Piana is an honest, well meaning smart guy who helps a lot of people, so when people like you jump at the chance to help spread negative rumors about him or anyone else it irritates the shit out of me. If you didn't see him inject it with your own 2 eyes then it's a RUMOORRR SO stfu and live and let live. Because you saying that shit is no different than these asshole natty fucks who look at us and say "you know he uses steroids, that's why". So your one of those guys who use to be natty but now that you juice you have to go accusing other of using PMMA or synthol. Don't talk shit unless you know it for a fact. Which you don't.
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Yeah I know and it was one time as he says and I take his word on that. Lol that's great bro, cause you shouldn't be waisting your time trying to figure out if Rich is filled with PMMA anyway lol. What you're saying is trying to negate what Rich admits to. Spend your time more wisely.
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Yeah that's the name. Thanks bro, I couldn't remember it.
Yeah... The cycles that he's put out there have been pretty fucking insane from what I've seen lol.
Hey man, Piana has admitted it multiple times... To people in person and on his YT page. Plus you can see it pretty easily when he moves his arms a certain way. Its extremely hard in his bicep and its easy to tell its there. Its extremely rigid, far more than Synthol ever is. It literally has a line and bulges beyond how far out his biceps are in some positions, making it very apparent. And IMHO it would sound better if he admitted to Synthol over PMMA... So I don't know why he'd lie. If he wanted to lie I have a feeling he would just say he did Synthol instead, not something permanent (he has gone into detail how he is happy he did it, but regrets that he went so quick with it, and warns others to NOT do it like he did, or at all, etc). So while none of us can be 100% sure what he actually does/doesn't do... I feel like it wouldn't be a bad choice to take him at his word in this instance.
Whoa wtf?! How the hell did this turn into such a hostile thread all the sudden. Most pointless argument ever... Especially since Piana came out and has admitted it multiple times and has even said he's tired of constantly correcting people that say he did Synthol in his bicep... I guess we can look his # up and scream at him telling him that he didn't... I don't see what good that'll do though... Though it would make for a hilarious audio clip to post here lol.
Yeah I know he has said he did it after busting his bicep to even things out and then quit. What people are making it sound like is that his arms are all full of silicon and not muscle. Again, I know he has admit to using before but the implications that get thrown around as if fact are ludicrous and irresponsible IMO
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Ah okay I get you. I didn't really get that people were saying it like that (I didn't read the 3rd page). He has definitely used synthol in the past. You can tell when you look at more recent pictures of him and earlier pics when he was competing. He's massive but has no definition in some places. But he DEFINITELY worked for a lot of his muscle. He just also uses oil... Like fucking every ridiculously massive dude does now lol. So I don't know why this is such a heated convo lol.
His arms are ridiculously massive, even larger than Kovac's if I'm not mistaken... So I have a feeling its not ALL muscle. But that doesn't mean he didn't work for his muscle. For it to look even 1/2 decent, you have to have a big amount of muscle under the oil to use it. He has massive muscles, just with some oil on top lol.
And I think you misunderstood what Diesel was saying bro. He was just saying that Rich DID use PMMA, not that his bicep was ONLY PMMA lol. You 2 need to chill with that shit.
I have a pet peeve of people exaggerating stories they hear or adding things or just I general changing tiny things to make them more interesting to people listening to the story. Rich is up front with everything he does from what I can tell so I hate to hear dudes saying "you know he's all synthol " or "his arms are only that big because of PMMA" because that's pussy coward thing to say and not only that it sounds like insults coming from a jealous person. I'm not saying diesel is jealous I'm just saying it sends a bad vibe and it's dishonest to make your own tweaks to another person's testimony. I simply hate gossipers and rumor spreaders. Don't really give a shit if the rumor is true or not because gossip is a destructive behavior.
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Look bud I'm far from jealous first of all. You wanna believe him go ahead. Have you met him before? Cause I have and he will lie about anything to profit a dollar. Remember how badass mutant products were? Oh wait no then he says all supplement companies are bs. Wait then he comes out with his own supplement company that has "real products" I've met rich plenty of times and he's a cool guy but not the one you trust or take advice from. So don't call me out for gossip rumors when you are defending a rumor in itself. That's all I'll say
Lmao! I'm sorry I meant to attack Dynex. This is the statement I didn't like. Sorry Diesel
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Hm, I think one of us is misunderstanding something. I see Diesels' response as informing DYNEX (who was the one that said Rich was full of oil) saying that he used PMMA. I more saw that as saying he admitted to it, not that he ONLY uses PMMA and that's the only reason he's big. I just thought it was correcting Dynex since Rich came out admitting it.
Btw, I'm interested in hearing more about the letter that his ex wrote... If she was super pissed at Rich, she very well may have outted some shit that he didn't want to admit... Women sometimes do that when they're done wrong lol.
Lmao! I'm sorry I meant to attack Dynex. This is the statement I didn't like. Sorry Diesel
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Ah ok. Yeah I was kinda confused as to why this turned out like it did when it was Dynex that had said it lol.
Yeah and he came out against that sort of thing after he left mutant. Don't bash him for being a spokes person. Also I don't think Rich makes much on YouTube videos man, and he was rich before ever starting mutant so I don't think he cares about lying about his supps. I also don't think you know about his integrity because you met him once.
On top of that Rich pushes food for growth and has only 2 supplements a Preworkout and a BCAA drink and tells people "DONT BUY MY PRODUCT!" If they don't have enough money to buy real food.
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Yes, that's possible. Or she could've been getting even and made up a total lie. Like you said we'll never know and that's why I find it respectable to not go saying things recklessly in public unless you were a direct witness.
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Lol dude I don't want negative energy, I mean who really gives a shit anyway. Sorry for jumping on you about it
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oliverrxx
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Yes they are retarded but he is knowledgeable doses are dependant upon saturation of the cells but overdosing still yields optimal results just isn't necessary
Anadrol till u get headaches and shoot your igf on the daily.
Intense1013
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Guys keep asking this question but really who cares! These guys are idiots for the most part with no life and usually some kind of body dysmorphia. Yes they take huge amounts of drugs but that isn't normal behavior. Would you really want to live like most ifbb pros? I'm not talking about the top guys who actually make some money but 98% of the pros who do stupid things just to afford to be shitty pros. It ridiculous.
Genetics is one thing, gear, food and genetics on a massive scale is another
boston Lloyd is a hero to most younger guys out there who want justification to run 3 grams of gear a week at 20 years old. but he isn't someone I would take advice from. he suffers from all the symptoms of what obsessed bb's suffer from plus both his parents were BB's so he has that added family pressure of trying to one up his parents.
as far as listening to these pro's and following what they do. common sense says that even if you did you wouldn't even sniff there level. not only are their genetics superior but they are gifted in that particular trade. Peyton Manning for example. lets say you did everything he did, would that mean you would be a professional QB in the NFL? no cause he is blessed with amazing genetics and intangibles that makes him great. Ryan Leaf had great talent but had no brain, hence he is now in prison serving 5 years. both entered the nfl at the same time but one was successful and one wasn't.
i'm not sure why people don't get that just pinning a bunch of steroids is gonna make you look like a pro bodybuilder ??? if it was that easy to excel at a certain trade/sport/hobby whatever then the NFL wouldn't have such a problem finding great QB's.. instead most QB's in the nfl stink
as far as listening to these pro's and following what they do. common sense says that even if you did you wouldn't even sniff there level. not only are their genetics superior but they are gifted in that particular trade. Peyton Manning for example. lets say you did everything he did, would that mean you would be a professional QB in the NFL? no cause he is blessed with amazing genetics and intangibles that makes him great. Ryan Leaf had great talent but had no brain, hence he is now in prison serving 5 years. both entered the nfl at the same time but one was successful and one wasn't.
i'm not sure why people don't get that just pinning a bunch of steroids is gonna make you look like a pro bodybuilder ??? if it was that easy to excel at a certain trade/sport/hobby whatever then the NFL wouldn't have such a problem finding great QB's.. instead most QB's in the nfl stink
Steve already hit it, but yeah he doesn't give good advice for young guys, and even for a 40 year old seasoned lifter it doesn't take saturation levels to build mass quantities of muscle. He also takes no account for health IMO from cycles I've seen of his.
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Diesel can vouch for me- when it comes to pro's and cycles.
so its not hearsay..
so you can continue to buy why what rich is selling.. he is coming out with an e book the tell all of the bb world I am sure you will be the first to buy it
Intense1013
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I don't agree with the whole if u took the drugs out of the equation the same guys would still win. Because a lot, or actually most important is how they respond to these drugs, how much they can tolerate, how much they can afford and how much they are willing to do. I had pretty good genetics for bb, I places top 3 at a few npc national contests and I had a trainer who trained the best. He told me what I needed to do to take the next step. I was willing to do it but at the time I was a student and just couldn't afford it. Believe me, I tried by selling drugs, stripping which when I look back were ridiculous things to be doing. Look at Flex wheeler, super responder to anabolics, off I think he looks like crap. And I really don't believe he's totally off either. Pro bb is all about the drugs. Of course you need a certain type of frame to be good but if u have that it's about the drugs.
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Vlad Tepes
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How much do you think someone like Johnnie Jackson uses to maintain his physique? Dude has some solid and round muscle bellies for sure.
Casca
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All mutant products my brother!!!
Oh thats right he was that big b4 mutant, haha!!!
The Green Machine
Casca
More than you would believe lol.
forgedsteel20000
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They stay on bro
bigdog6693
New member
Damn bros did not mean for ny post to get this bad into a heated convo, my bad bros
None and who the fuck cares?
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I don't need a book on steroids from anyone brother
but thanks for the heads up!The VENOMpharma courses through my veins daily... Need a reference?
I'm simply not impressed that you've met pros buddy. And you haven't said anything that is convincing me or proving that Rich's arm is "filled with oil". LIKE I SAID: I don't care if it's true or NOT, because spreading rumors is a dick move either way. So keep name dropping and telling people what everyone's steroid secrets are because no one really cares.
Also I don't buy products from pros normally but Rich seems to have 3 decent supps. Haven't tried them but maybe one day. Lol and again NO ONE seriously cares that you've met a pro and Rich isn't pro anyway.
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Intense1013
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Piano and bostin loyd should both be deported to Zimbabwe or somewhere else that we don't have to hear their ridiculous, dangerous ideas. I mean Bostin is telling guys to reuse needles to save money 4 Christs sake and he wonders how he got an infection. They should deport his fucked up girlfriend too for just being a stupid bitch who would actually marry such a complete looser.
no I wasn't saying that at all.
the compounds do play a major role. its oh so complicated which is why a lot of guys out there don't get it
can you post up that video where he says that? I wonder if he is intentionally trying to fuck people up. he really can't be that reckless on purpose
That's fucked up but how old is he again?
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