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CARDIO: Before or After?

gypsy469

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Really simple question here guys:

Do you do your cardio before or after your main target workout? I will go first.

I do my main workout first as I want to focus on that body part the most. I incorporate abdominal exercises in between sets, so it is a constant. I never stop moving, little rest. Then I have a feeling of accomplishment, and can devote nearly an hour to Cardio by itself. If I am feeling really spunky, sometimes I will do cardio only on rest days.
 
Cardio for what purpose. Cutting fat?


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Yes Jack, burning calories and cutting fat? Why would anybody else do it? It is just monotonous to me LOL
 
I'm a cardio before. One it gets my blood pumping and gets a good sweat. Two I'm pretty sure cardio after a strength training session can minimalize your gains. I read that somewhere once anyway...so it must be true.
 
Light cardio as warmup before,then hit the weights, light cardio after. But for burning calories and fat id do hiit separate from weights. I lift early morning the intense cardio evenings ( boxing or muay thai) i keep this program all year round. If im losing gains ill adjust calories or if gaing bf% then cut calories. Jmo hiit is better than liss takes half the time and generally incorporates using more muscle keeping muscles pumped with blood and nutrients. My 2 cent
 
miahlaw13 said:
I'm a cardio before. One it gets my blood pumping and gets a good sweat. Two I'm pretty sure cardio after a strength training session can minimalize your gains. I read that somewhere once anyway...so it must be true.
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actually its the other way around and that information is false. cardio after training is better for burning fat because weight training will burn the majority of glycogen in your body.Performing weight training first decreases available blood sugar and puts the body in fat-burning mode.

Cardio before takes up energy and tires the muscles, so it is detrimental to strength and muscle gain.Also with cardio first, cortisol is released without increase in testosterone levels.Cortisol breaks down muscle in order to give your body the energy to workout.If you do weight training first you will get a testosterone level increase which keeps cortisol at bay.
 
gypsy469 said:
Yes Jack, burning calories and cutting fat? Why would anybody else do it? It is just monotonous to me LOL
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Why else would anybody do cardio besides cutting fat?? Well where should I begin.... Helps build muscle, strengthens heart and therefore body over all, mental clarity, increase energy over all... Shall I continue? Lol


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i never thought about it like that lol, I just see it as something that has to be done in order to stay lean and somewhat defined. It seems so repetitive and the monotony absolutely kills me !! I do have to say however, that it does make me feel a little better and my energy has increased, but it is still BORING AS HELL !!!! maybe I need to change it up some
 
gypsy469 said:
i never thought about it like that lol, I just see it as something that has to be done in order to stay lean and somewhat defined. It seems so repetitive and the monotony absolutely kills me !! I do have to say however, that it does make me feel a little better and my energy has increased, but it is still BORING AS HELL !!!! maybe I need to change it up some
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I do weighted cardio and a lot of non traditional stuff. Sledge hammer swings, killer cardio. Tire flips, great strength and cardio. burpess, will kill you, also killer cardio. hill sprints, bag work, jump rope, and the list goes on...
 
I spend a few minutes doing cardio to warmup before lifting. Generally only about 5 minutes. Then after I workout I do a ~20 minute cooldown of light cardio. As already pointed out, post-workout cardio helps with active fat loss due to glycogen already being depleted from the workout. Not just that, but cooldowns have been proven to assist with recovery.

As for actual intense cardio days, I keep those away from my workout days unless my goal is fat loss (I slowly add in more cardio as I progress). I actually prefer to do track sprints for my cardio. I sprint the straight-away and then walk the curve.

All of this combined can make a great difference for fat loss.
 
miahlaw13 said:
I do weighted cardio and a lot of non traditional stuff. Sledge hammer swings, killer cardio. Tire flips, great strength and cardio. burpess, will kill you, also killer cardio. hill sprints, bag work, jump rope, and the list goes on...
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The stuff you're mentioning is more for your anaerobic system than your aerobic system.
 
I sprint the straight-away and then walk the curve.

That's a good idea !! Get the heart rate pumping really good. Would also not be that bad on people with asthma !!
 
I always do fasted cardio in am weights in pm. Leg days I do light warmup on the bike for 10min to get knees warmed up.
 
genomex said:
The stuff you're mentioning is more for your anaerobic system than your aerobic system.
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Yes I know. Are we only talking about aerobic system friendly cardio? Ok, then go jog a couple miles. The stuff I mentioned, if done in a hiit sequence or tabata intervals is also great for fat loss.
 
depends on your goal

if you want to be able to run a 20minute 5K then you do your cardio first and then weight train, you want your leg muscles specifically to be fresh right?

if you want to bodybuild, powerlift, etc. then you do your cardio after because you want to be fresh for weight training right?

and if you want to cut fat then just do cardio and don't eat for a couple hours after so your fat stores get depleted.

whether you lift weights before or after IF YOUR sole goal is to JUST burn fat means nothing.

now i'm not going to play stupid and assume you want to hold onto muscle and strength and cut down a bit right? so it would make most sense to lift weights and then do cardio after. that's what I do and it works because I am strong for my weight training and then blow my load with the cardio and not be weak in the weight room
 
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just so we all understand... fasted cardio for optimal fat burning is a myth and a very bad one at that... i've been studying this the past 6 months to really understand everything behind it and its shown to be a myth... it is one of those concepts that was embedded in everyone's heads but can even be detrimental if you do too much fasted... it all needs to be done with precision...

http://dailyburn.com/life/fitness/fasted-cardio-weight-loss/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/22/does-fasted-cardio-really-burn-more-fat.html

http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle


EVERYONE should incorporate some type of cardio into their lives... it does not necessarily have to be hour and hours of intense cardio but for you overall health and longevity, its vital to work on your cardiovascular system and it adds years to your life...

I have always done cardio before... i loved it all these years and found it very effective.. I recently just switched to doing a 20 minute warm up and then lifting... I have been doing cardio at night and it has shown to be very effective and has allowed me to get more size while still stripping fat... i would try it that way bro...
 
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dylangemelli said:
just so we all understand... fasted cardio for optimal fat burning is a myth and a very bad one at that... i've been studying this the past 6 months to really understand everything behind it and its shown to be a myth... it is one of those concepts that was embedded in everyone's heads but can even be detrimental if you do too much fasted... it all needs to be done with precision...

http://dailyburn.com/life/fitness/fasted-cardio-weight-loss/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/22/does-fasted-cardio-really-burn-more-fat.html

http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle


EVERYONE should incorporate some type of cardio into their lives... it does not necessarily have to be hour and hours of intense cardio but for you overall health and longevity, its vital to work on your cardiovascular system and it adds years to your life...

I have always done cardio before... i loved it all these years and found it very effective.. I recently just switched to doing a 20 minute warm up and then lifting... I have been doing cardio at night and it has shown to be very effective and has allowed me to get more size while still stripping fat... i would try it that way bro...
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Wait a min. I thought u did fasted cardio in the am. Or was it a fasted workout on an empty stomach?

KRAZIEONE
 
krazieone56 said:
Wait a min. I thought u did fasted cardio in the am. Or was it a fasted workout on an empty stomach?

KRAZIEONE
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neither man... i was doing cardio in the morning but never completely fasted... my cardio is far too intense to have something in my stomach... you would never survive my cardio sessions with nothing at all in your stomach man... not possible...
 
dylangemelli said:
neither man... i was doing cardio in the morning but never completely fasted... my cardio is far too intense to have something in my stomach... you would never survive my cardio sessions with nothing at all in your stomach man... not possible...
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Ah that's right. I couldn't remember from another thread. Ya Lol I have no doubt. I probly wouldn't make it thru ANY of ur cardio sessions no matter what I ate or how much juice I was on. Lol. U r a beast.

KRAZIEONE
 
krazieone56 said:
Ah that's right. I couldn't remember from another thread. Ya Lol I have no doubt. I probly wouldn't make it thru ANY of ur cardio sessions no matter what I ate or how much juice I was on. Lol. U r a beast.

KRAZIEONE
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=) obviously im not slamming huge meals before (i guess i never really eat a HUGE meal) but I always make sure im taking in protein before and also at the halfway point to help preserve muscle...
 
Ya I don't have huge meals to me but I bet u would think I eat a lot.

This is my usual meal schedule. Sometimes I stray but not usually.
Meal 1 - 8 egg whites half cup oatmeal dry with almond milk

Meal 2 - 8oz steak w 1/2 cup rice

Meal 3 - 6oz tuna 1/2 cup steamed veggies 1/2 cup rice

Meal 4 - 8oz chicken. 1cup veggies 1/2 cup rice.

Meal 5 - 10oz steak, protein shake,1/2 cup veggies

Meal 6 - 8 oz chicken 1 cup steamed veggies sauteed esparagus in coconut oil.

KRAZIEONE
 
krazieone56 said:
Ya I don't have huge meals to me but I bet u would think I eat a lot.

This is my usual meal schedule. Sometimes I stray but not usually.
Meal 1 - 8 egg whites half cup oatmeal dry with almond milk

Meal 2 - 8oz steak w 1/2 cup rice

Meal 3 - 6oz tuna 1/2 cup steamed veggies 1/2 cup rice

Meal 4 - 8oz chicken. 1cup veggies 1/2 cup rice.

Meal 5 - 10oz steak, protein shake,1/2 cup veggies

Meal 6 - 8 oz chicken 1 cup steamed veggies sauteed esparagus in coconut oil.

KRAZIEONE
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there's nothing wrong with that diet layout but for me personally, that's a joke... i could never eat like that... for anyone else, its great... i would recommend meals like this to people recomping or bulking... its great... very clean, plenty of protein, lower fat, no sugars... low sodium... its great... I could never do that though bro... LOL... not a chance... especially the steak... personally would cut one of the steak meals out and add some cleaner white fish though bro... unless your just bulking...
 
krazieone56 said:
Ya I don't have huge meals to me but I bet u would think I eat a lot.

This is my usual meal schedule. Sometimes I stray but not usually.
Meal 1 - 8 egg whites half cup oatmeal dry with almond milk

Meal 2 - 8oz steak w 1/2 cup rice

Meal 3 - 6oz tuna 1/2 cup steamed veggies 1/2 cup rice

Meal 4 - 8oz chicken. 1cup veggies 1/2 cup rice.

Meal 5 - 10oz steak, protein shake,1/2 cup veggies

Meal 6 - 8 oz chicken 1 cup steamed veggies sauteed esparagus in coconut oil.

KRAZIEONE
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I would seperate the shake from the steak meal, add it between meal 2 and 3, then add another between meal 4 and 5. If it's not isolate, it could be two more small meals. :)
 
cardio is the ONLY thing that can save you if you have an office job. without it you are fucked.

jeez last night parents were driving around in golf carts and their cars dropping their kids off at houses to trick or treat. heaven forbid you walk with your kids door to door, that would be too much work! you gotta get out and do it.

if you dig ditches all day or work construction etc. you have no clue what i'm talking about. but sit on your ass 10 hours a day on the computer for work and you will sing a different tune
 
dylangemelli said:
there's nothing wrong with that diet layout but for me personally, that's a joke... i could never eat like that... for anyone else, its great... i would recommend meals like this to people recomping or bulking... its great... very clean, plenty of protein, lower fat, no sugars... low sodium... its great... I could never do that though bro... LOL... not a chance... especially the steak... personally would cut one of the steak meals out and add some cleaner white fish though bro... unless your just bulking...
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I will try that. I can remove the 10oz steak for fish. 6oz ? Right now I'm cruising so I'm only eating like 3-4 of those meals. But when I try to bulk up I have to eat like that as I am a hard gainer I have a rediculous metabolism even at 40. If I don't eat constantly I lose weight hella fast and just feel blah.

KRAZIEONE
 
krazieone56 said:
I will try that. I can remove the 10oz steak for fish. 6oz ? Right now I'm cruising so I'm only eating like 3-4 of those meals. But when I try to bulk up I have to eat like that as I am a hard gainer I have a rediculous metabolism even at 40. If I don't eat constantly I lose weight hella fast and just feel blah.

KRAZIEONE
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try 8 oz. of cod or halibut instead and make sure its fresh...
 
dylangemelli said:
just so we all understand... fasted cardio for optimal fat burning is a myth and a very bad one at that... i've been studying this the past 6 months to really understand everything behind it and its shown to be a myth... it is one of those concepts that was embedded in everyone's heads but can even be detrimental if you do too much fasted... it all needs to be done with precision...

http://dailyburn.com/life/fitness/fasted-cardio-weight-loss/


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/22/does-fasted-cardio-really-burn-more-fat.html

http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle


EVERYONE should incorporate some type of cardio into their lives... it does not necessarily have to be hour and hours of intense cardio but for you overall health and longevity, its vital to work on your cardiovascular system and it adds years to your life...

I have always done cardio before... i loved it all these years and found it very effective.. I recently just switched to doing a 20 minute warm up and then lifting... I have been doing cardio at night and it has shown to be very effective and has allowed me to get more size while still stripping fat... i would try it that way bro...
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Great info as always Dylan although the first 2 articles are the same thing on two different sites.but I think and from research I have done as well I think fasted cardio has its place. I would agree that attempting this type of cardio everyday is not a good idea I think while recomping it can be useful a couple of times a week, especially while using AAS which would aid in muscle preservation.
 
dylangemelli said:
just so we all understand... fasted cardio for optimal fat burning is a myth and a very bad one at that... i've been studying this the past 6 months to really understand everything behind it and its shown to be a myth... it is one of those concepts that was embedded in everyone's heads but can even be detrimental if you do too much fasted... it all needs to be done with precision...

http://dailyburn.com/life/fitness/fasted-cardio-weight-loss/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/22/does-fasted-cardio-really-burn-more-fat.html

http://www.t-nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle


EVERYONE should incorporate some type of cardio into their lives... it does not necessarily have to be hour and hours of intense cardio but for you overall health and longevity, its vital to work on your cardiovascular system and it adds years to your life...

I have always done cardio before... i loved it all these years and found it very effective.. I recently just switched to doing a 20 minute warm up and then lifting... I have been doing cardio at night and it has shown to be very effective and has allowed me to get more size while still stripping fat... i would try it that way bro...
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Absolutely. I've never once been a fan of fasted cardio.

When I do my 20 minute cooldown, I always keep my HRR below 65% so fat is what is mainly burned. I don't want to push it too hard -- as I know you already know, if you don't have the glycogen for high-intensity output, its not good for retaining gains. But, you can actively burn fat if you keep the intensity low enough. Unfortunately it would take forever to burn a single pound of fat like that -- I do it more for the benefits of the cooldown itself. That said, small things over time make a big difference :).

When I'm working hard on losing fat, I've found that cardio in the morning and evening and lifting in the early noon is best for me. But I've never done the whole fasted thing. Anyone that understands what occurs when you don't have the energy to perform knows that's NOT good for those of us that want to retain muscle. But I've had far too many idiots argue that with me and said its the absolute best for fat loss, etc etc. I've learned that can be an extremely touchy topic for some people.
 
I can eat a normal meal then lift, and my bench press is at least 30+ lbs more than if I eat very light or not at all. Which means the benefits will be increased. I'm sure cardio is no different.
 
Mattdogg said:
I can eat a normal meal then lift, and my bench press is at least 30+ lbs more than if I eat very light or not at all. Which means the benefits will be increased. I'm sure cardio is no different.
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It depends on what your goals are for cardio. If trying to perform at a higher level I agree but if simply just trying to burn fat you may not necessarily want all this glycogen stores fueling your cardio session.
 
I always did it after figuring it would burn more fat seeing glycogen was burned off during training. I never did cardiovascular in the morning on an empty stomach. Some swear by this but I jus never had to.
 
GhostZ71 said:
Great info as always Dylan although the first 2 articles are the same thing on two different sites.but I think and from research I have done as well I think fasted cardio has its place. I would agree that attempting this type of cardio everyday is not a good idea I think while recomping it can be useful a couple of times a week, especially while using AAS which would aid in muscle preservation.
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i know they were the same but it was just to show that the info was strong that multiple places posted it... your right, it does have its place but its definitely not healthy to do on a continual basis and its definitely not sustainable... it has its place but can definitely be overdone and become more of a detriment than anything... i would keep it at two sessions a week if your intent on it... i do six days a week of cardio but i really cannot do it completely fasted anyway considering the length i do it and also trying to preserve muscle as i go...
 
genomex said:
Absolutely. I've never once been a fan of fasted cardio.

When I do my 20 minute cooldown, I always keep my HRR below 65% so fat is what is mainly burned. I don't want to push it too hard -- as I know you already know, if you don't have the glycogen for high-intensity output, its not good for retaining gains. But, you can actively burn fat if you keep the intensity low enough. Unfortunately it would take forever to burn a single pound of fat like that -- I do it more for the benefits of the cooldown itself. That said, small things over time make a big difference :).

When I'm working hard on losing fat, I've found that cardio in the morning and evening and lifting in the early noon is best for me. But I've never done the whole fasted thing. Anyone that understands what occurs when you don't have the energy to perform knows that's NOT good for those of us that want to retain muscle. But I've had far too many idiots argue that with me and said its the absolute best for fat loss, etc etc. I've learned that can be an extremely touchy topic for some people.
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very well said bro... a lot of good facts you put out on this post... as i previously said, with the amounts of cardio i do for shredding and just because i flat out enjoy it, fasted cardio would be more detrimental to me than helpful... i want it to ensure health and longevity, burn calories, melt fat, abdominal purposes, etc... but maintaining muscle is extremely important as well... its obviously variant from person to person but its not a sustainable option but does have its place... i do 95 minutes of cardio a day bro so you can imagine i have the science down on how to preserve muscle and melt fat in the process...
 
gypsy469 said:
I want to know how come we cant edit our posts anymore and the mods can?
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Mattdogg said:
Yeah, wtf. Can you say powertrip?
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dylangemelli said:
very well said bro... a lot of good facts you put out on this post... as i previously said, with the amounts of cardio i do for shredding and just because i flat out enjoy it, fasted cardio would be more detrimental to me than helpful... i want it to ensure health and longevity, burn calories, melt fat, abdominal purposes, etc... but maintaining muscle is extremely important as well... its obviously variant from person to person but its not a sustainable option but does have its place... i do 95 minutes of cardio a day bro so you can imagine i have the science down on how to preserve muscle and melt fat in the process...
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95 mins/day cardio is a really good amount. When I start my cardio for fat loss, I generally start it at 30 minutes per session when on workout days. Then eventually it will reach 45 minutes, which I have found to be the sweet spot -- I always keep it under 60 minutes per session. That way when I'm really putting in the work for fat loss, its 45 mins in the morning and evening -- total of 90 mins of cardio. I also keep my workouts to around 45 mins. And if I'm really limiting my carb intake, I take the majority of them in soon before and after wight-lifting workouts.

The only issue with following scientific data when it comes to fat loss, is there are soooo many contradicting studies and results. You have to be really careful which studies you follow. You can find all sorts of terrible studies that were completely fucked up that are in "medical journals". Newbies that don't know what they're really looking for can easily be led astray. But once you know what to look out for, its a lot easier.
 
DAMMIT EDIT POST WHERE ART THOU?!?!?

The damn last quotes I had were still in the "Quick Reply" box and I didn't see them. Argh.
 
gypsy469 said:
i never thought about it like that lol, I just see it as something that has to be done in order to stay lean and somewhat defined. It seems so repetitive and the monotony absolutely kills me !! I do have to say however, that it does make me feel a little better and my energy has increased, but it is still BORING AS HELL !!!! maybe I need to change it up some
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try getting a cardio machine in your house, so you can watch all your favorite programs during a cardio session.I loved lifting in the gym but i hated cardio,i just couldnt get as focused or motivated for cardio in the gym.I got a treadmill in my apartment and its best move i ever made.
 
It really doesn't matter when, just get it in. For me personally, I would do no more than 15 mins right before a workout. However, everyone is different and you are better off doing what feels the best for you.
 
Depends. If I'm short for time I do maybe 15 min before as a warmup, lift hard and then do 20 min afterward while the last 10 min I am starting to consume food.

Preference is to do cardio on OFF days in the morning on an empty stomach. If it's a lifting day I tend to still do cardio in the morning with an empty stomach and then lift later (6-8 hours after cardio).
 
i typically do an hour of cardio work after i do weights, i know a lot of people who do it the other way around but personally waiting until after has always worked better for me
 
^^^^^ this : me too, I want to build muscle more than get skinny, actually both, but the more muscles you have, the skinnier you look ?
 
Mattdogg said:
I can eat a normal meal then lift, and my bench press is at least 30+ lbs more than if I eat very light or not at all. Which means the benefits will be increased cardio is no different.[/QUOTE.


Excactly fasted anything is no good in my book. Not only do you limit your energy but also risking muscle loss i eat before weights and also eat lightly before cardio. My workouts are much better with some nutrition imo to lose unwanted bf , control your diet iv3 found for me slow cardio does nothing for me other than hurts my joints. Sprints, hill sprints , burpees, these are cardio that burns fat fast and preserves muscle
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I do 15 cardio for warm up then lift. When I'm done lifting I'm actually hungry. I usually slam a quick shake in the locker room(2 scoops Beverly Mass Maker). Then head home to eat. If I want to drop a little body fat should I be sticking around and doing some cardio after weight training? Seems like I would be hurting any gains I'm trying to make. Or would it make sense to do some cardio after my post workout shake?

I used to pound cardio before then weight train. But then again I never really carried around much muscle then either. Go figure.
 
Chilimack said:
If I want to drop a little body fat should I be sticking around and doing some cardio after weight training? Seems like I would be hurting any gains I'm trying to make. Or would it make sense to do some cardio after my post workout shake?

I used to pound cardio before then weight train. But then again I never really carried around much muscle then either. Go figure.
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My thoughts are similar on this Chilimack.

For the purpose of recomp would it make sense to drink a shake after weights and before cardio or maybe even while doing cardio? Keeping in mind that the main purpose of the cardio is to burn fat...?
 
gypsy469 said:
but it is still BORING AS HELL !!!! maybe I need to change it up some
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I've been using some Brain Sync and iMusic MP3s to help with the motivation. Now, it might come across as new age bullshit to some, but I find that it helps me keep focus and my heart rate in the zone for 1.5 hours and burn 1000 calories of which 25 to 30% are fat calories.
 
Chilimack said:
I do 15 cardio for warm up then lift. When I'm done lifting I'm actually hungry. I usually slam a quick shake in the locker room(2 scoops Beverly Mass Maker). Then head home to eat. If I want to drop a little body fat should I be sticking around and doing some cardio after weight training? Seems like I would be hurting any gains I'm trying to make. Or would it make sense to do some cardio after my post workout shake?

I used to pound cardio before then weight train. But then again I never really carried around much muscle then either. Go figure.
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do cardio on your off days then.That is the best way for someone seeking muscle gain imo
 
A study published in journals Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise and the European Journal of Applied Physiology found that doing the cardio portion of a workout before a resistance session interferes with muscle-building over the short term -- but not after a 24-week period...given how often most of us are in the gym, it probably doesnt really matter
 
I'm so awesome I lift while doing cardio. Cardio while benching ftw!
 
dylangemelli said:
LOL join the club! i can top that... im so awesome i do cardio IN MY SLEEP... or maybe that's my wife raping me? who knows... all i know is that i never stop working out! tanning bed, sauna, doesnt matter... always working out! LOL
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When my wife rapes me, its always the opposite of how it should go :( :( :(.

And well... Nothing wrong fucking in the tanning bed or sauna! You just might get some crazy ass tan lines from the tanning bed lol.
 
genomex said:
When my wife rapes me, its always the opposite of how it should go :( :( :(.

And well... Nothing wrong fucking in the tanning bed or sauna! You just might get some crazy ass tan lines from the tanning bed lol.
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LOLLL it sure pays to have your own brother! I got to the point where i simply could not take all the nasty fuckers that get in the saunas and tanning beds and one by one i got everything at home now... =)
 
dylangemelli said:
LOLLL it sure pays to have your own brother! I got to the point where i simply could not take all the nasty fuckers that get in the saunas and tanning beds and one by one i got everything at home now... =)
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Big money man right here, maybe now you can upgrade that busa to a Harley bro :cool:
 
dylangemelli said:
lol, like i said, it was one step at a time brother... i wish i could just flat out buy all that at once.. =) im more of a busa guy than a harley guy... honestly, ive never even ridden a harley bro...
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Better jump on one, you won't want to get off of it I promise.
 
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