Gynecomastia Opinions

[Walter_512]

I just want to get some opinions on what I think is Gyno, but I'm not really sure.

I was a big kid all my life and about three years ago I began losing weight and to this day i cannot get rid of the "chest fat" or whatever it may be.

Stats:

Height: 5'9"
Weight: Fluctuates but around 155-165 (Very small for my height imo)
Bodyfat %: Last time i had it tested at my gym it was 10% with +- 3% range they say not really sure

I will attach some pictures from 3 years until now. I imagine my issue may be from my past, but I feel as though I've always had some form of gyno cause many people get fat but don't get MB's like I had.

BTW: The last two pictures of where I'm much leaner are very good pictures of my chest, but typically it looks much worse even now.

I've been looking into running Letrozole + Nolvadex based on things I've read on several forums and I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether this may help or not. I appreciate any assistance, I do not make excuses for my past but I got up and made a change I just want to be comfortable and happy with my physique for the first time in my life I've put the time in.

 

[wolfpackalpha]

First, congratulations on the progress, you look great!

Second, that looks like more like loose skin and a little fat left around the area (maybe a bit of gyno), I wouldn't call that full blown gynecomastia where you'll need to use harsh anti-gyno protocols (letro/nolva). You can test this easily by using some aromasin (suicide aromatase inhibitor) at around 12.5mgs/day and seeing how that dries you out along with Cardarine (GW-501516) to help you get leaner.

 

[Walter_512]

Thanks wolfpack I've worked my ass off for three years. Thats pretty much what I thought, so I'll order some Aromasin and try it out. Will it help without the Cardarine because at this point I'm not trying to get lean, I'm on a serious Bulk because I'm assuming most of my issues stem from loose skin so I'm trying to go from 160 to 200 in the next year or so and hopefully add at least 10-15 lbs of muscle hopefully more then I won't have too many skin issues I would assume.

 

[wolfpackalpha]

Thanks wolfpack I've worked my ass off for three years. Thats pretty much what I thought, so I'll order some Aromasin and try it out. Will it help without the Cardarine because at this point I'm not trying to get lean, I'm on a serious Bulk because I'm assuming most of my issues stem from loose skin so I'm trying to go from 160 to 200 in the next year or so and hopefully add at least 10-15 lbs of muscle hopefully more then I won't have too many skin issues I would assume.

Actually, the Cardarine (GW-501516) will not just make you lean (help you lose bodyfat), but it will help with your lifts and endurance during hard workouts. Keep in mind, you still have some bodyfat to lose, this is something you have to be aware of during your bulking. In addition, you can always add Ostarine (mk-2866) if you want to gain some natural mass during your bulker, without the side effects.

 

[Shrine]

Hey great work bro.. I can tell you really busted your ass. So congrats. I would take WPA approach. Based on your goals I would consider running Sarms, GW Cardarine and Ostarine together for 12 weeks. Checkout www.sarms1.com. as far as aromasin that protocol he gave you should really dry you up so we can see how it goes. Ag-guys.com has some legit aromasin. Other that I look forward to following your progress

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[gearhead]

IMO, you can get a lot leaner, why you wanna bulk?

 

[paja]

Wow nice job bro congrats to your success I don't got nothing to add cause brother Wolfpackalpha tell you all you need to know

 

[m88tow]

Great job bro, you have made a great transformation. I wouldn't concern myself with a bulk at this time. I think with more time and some Sarms to help like is suggested that you can fill in your chest and get rid of some of that excess fat on your chest. Try switching up your chest routine a bit every so often to keep your gains coming. The aromasin will definitely dry you out and give you a better idea of where your truly at.

 

[Walter_512]

IMO, you can get a lot leaner, why you wanna bulk?

Well, It may look that way but I cut down to 155 and really didn't have all that much to show for it, I was tiny and just didn't look great because my midsection and chest is not tight, so continuing to cut really does not benefit me. Second, at 5'9" I have no interest in being a lean 145 lb male that cant even fill out a size Small shirt when I lift 6 days a week.

And when I say bulk, It's still a semi-clean bulk, I'm not counting macros exactly, but I'm eating the normal clean foods I would during a cut but in a surplus, hopefully keeping it at around a pound a week maybe less.

 

[Walter_512]

Actually, the Cardarine (GW-501516) will not just make you lean (help you lose bodyfat), but it will help with your lifts and endurance during hard workouts. Keep in mind, you still have some bodyfat to lose, this is something you have to be aware of during your bulking. In addition, you can always add Ostarine (mk-2866) if you want to gain some natural mass during your bulker, without the side effects.

What exactly is Cardarine and Ostarine? I have never heard of them before coming onto this forum and would kind of feel more comfortable taking an AAS than something I've never heard of that I have no knowledge of the long-term effects even if there are no short term effects.

 

[paja]

You look great my brother if you want to bulk just add more food but don't get me wrong example if you eat 5 egg white add 3 more and you will going to add some quality weight and muscle. Continue with the same diet just add a little more food

 

[paja]

What exactly is Cardarine and Ostarine? I have never heard of them before coming onto this forum and would kind of feel more comfortable taking an AAS than something I've never heard of that I have no knowledge of the long-term effects even if there are no short term effects.

My brother just go and check SARms 1.com and you will see the good benefic of this products with out any aas

 

[Walter_512]

Hey great work bro.. I can tell you really busted your ass. So congrats. I would take WPA approach. Based on your goals I would consider running Sarms, GW Cardarine and Ostarine together for 12 weeks. Checkout www.sarms1.com. as far as aromasin that protocol he gave you should really dry you up so we can see how it goes. Ag-guys.com has some legit aromasin. Other that I look forward to following your progress

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Thanks man I will try out the aromasin and see how it goes. I'm not trying to take any SARMs at this point, would rather take an AAS if anything.

Wow nice job bro congrats to your success I don't got nothing to add cause brother Wolfpackalpha tell you all you need to know

Thanks bro

Great job bro, you have made a great transformation. I wouldn't concern myself with a bulk at this time. I think with more time and some Sarms to help like is suggested that you can fill in your chest and get rid of some of that excess fat on your chest. Try switching up your chest routine a bit every so often to keep your gains coming. The aromasin will definitely dry you out and give you a better idea of where your truly at.

It is a slow bulk, but I have tried and failed for the past few years to get lean and tight I just don't have enough size, so more muscle is necessary. In the end getting lean is not difficult if you understand dieting, so once I have the size I will very easily get cut up with some time and effort. But I ordered Aromasin and will see how it goes for the next few weeks at 12.5 mgs/day

 

[m88tow]

Thanks man I will try out the aromasin and see how it goes. I'm not trying to take any SARMs at this point, would rather take an AAS if anything.



Thanks bro



It is a slow bulk, but I have tried and failed for the past few years to get lean and tight I just don't have enough size, so more muscle is necessary. In the end getting lean is not difficult if you understand dieting, so once I have the size I will very easily get cut up with some time and effort. But I ordered Aromasin and will see how it goes for the next few weeks at 12.5 mgs/day

Yes I agree with you that you need more size especially in your chest and like I said keep changing that chest routine up and you will continue to put on size. Do like our resident monster Paja said and up your intake on the clean foods and you will grow like a weed.

 

[Shrine]

Do your research regarding sarms... VERY effective without AAS sides. Its a great stepping stool into AAS and is used as a standalone or as a bridge into another AAS cycle. You have no idea brother... Sarms are legit! If you stay on this site for educational purposes you will find out quickly

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[Walter_512]

Yes I agree with you that you need more size especially in your chest and like I said keep changing that chest routine up and you will continue to put on size. Do like our resident monster Paja said and up your intake on the clean foods and you will grow like a weed.

That is the plan at this point, I am not counting macros at this point but I know how much I need to eat to add weight, etc so I'm hoping It will go well.

Do your research regarding sarms... VERY effective without AAS sides. Its a great stepping stool into AAS and is used as a standalone or as a bridge into another AAS cycle. You have no idea brother... Sarms are legit! If you stay on this site for educational purposes you will find out quickly

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Thank you Shrine I will definitely be sticking around, seems like a lot of knowledgable people that are more than eager to help out and I am always looking to learn new things. And as far as SARMs are concerned I will do some research and read up on them, they sound very interesting.

 

[Reps for Jesus]

Maybe try a pro-hormone like Helladrol or Beastrol with some GW-50. Will help you put on a good amount of muscle, while shedding fat and helping you stay lean while bulking

 

[gymrat827]

Maybe try a pro-hormone like Helladrol or Beastrol with some GW-50. Will help you put on a good amount of muscle, while shedding fat and helping you stay lean while bulking

not beastdrol.....

dont take that if you have any gyno issue. hella would be a much better option.

 

[m88tow]

If your going that route katanadrol gets my vote.

 

[Walter_512]

Maybe try a pro-hormone like Helladrol or Beastrol with some GW-50. Will help you put on a good amount of muscle, while shedding fat and helping you stay lean while bulking

not beastdrol.....

dont take that if you have any gyno issue. hella would be a much better option.

If your going that route katanadrol gets my vote.

Thanks guys but I'm not interested in taking a PH or any AAS at this point. Still have a lot of natural potential in me I've battled for a long time trying to continually get leaner because of the Gyno issue when really my biggest problem is setting that goal aside and just looking to make gains and get bigger, so I'm gonna try that route for right now. I'm 20 and would rather not mess with my hormones until 25+ and I have the proper foundation. (I'm aware Aromasin will mess with my Estrogen but that is a different story)

 

[Reps for Jesus]

I thought you were saying that instead of SARMS, you wanted to run AAS.

 

[Shrine]

^^^ I thought so too. I agree bud. Keep training and develop a even stronger base. I didnt touch anything till almost 30.

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[m88tow]

Smart choice bro, you can grow with the right diet like you won't believe.

 

[paja]

Like I always said and tell him diet is the key of success


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[m88tow]

He did say that but luckily everyone got him researching and he found out he was too young for AAS.

 

[Walter_512]

I thought you were saying that instead of SARMS, you wanted to run AAS.

^^^ I thought so too. I agree bud. Keep training and develop a even stronger base. I didnt touch anything till almost 30.

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Smart choice bro, you can grow with the right diet like you won't believe.

Like I always said and tell him diet is the key of success


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He did say that but luckily everyone got him researching and he found out he was too young for AAS.

No what I said or intended to say was If I took anything it would be an AAS over SARMs, but I did not say I was actually looking to take it at this point. But I can see the confusion so my fault I guess I wasn't too clear.

Anyways, I have done my research and I know the risks/rewards and I haven't put enough time or effort in the proper way yet to look for additional assistance. Once I have another 5 years of solid lifting/nutrition, AAS will be a serious consideration but hopefully by then I will be content (Yeah right).

 

[Shrine]

No what I said or intended to say was If I took anything it would be an AAS over SARMs, but I did not say I was actually looking to take it at this point. But I can see the confusion so my fault I guess I wasn't too clear.

Anyways, I have done my research and I know the risks/rewards and I haven't put enough time or effort in the proper way yet to look for additional assistance. Once I have another 5 years of solid lifting/nutrition, AAS will be a serious consideration but hopefully by then I will be content (Yeah right).

I like the mindset.

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[Walter_512]

Hey guys, I got my Aromasin in a few days ago and started taking it at 12.5mg/ED. It's been 3 days, and I don't expect results for a few weeks but is there anything I need to run with the Aromasin or afterwards or any idea how long I should run it before I just stop ?

 

[gymrat827]

Hey guys, I got my Aromasin in a few days ago and started taking it at 12.5mg/ED. It's been 3 days, and I don't expect results for a few weeks but is there anything I need to run with the Aromasin or afterwards or any idea how long I should run it before I just stop ?

id go somewhat by feel and how you look in the mirror.


I wouldn't just stop the aromasin cold....taper off of it. will really help for any rebound that can occur

 

[m88tow]

Get bloods done and that will tell us a lot more than anything else.

 

[wolfpackalpha]

Hey guys, I got my Aromasin in a few days ago and started taking it at 12.5mg/ED. It's been 3 days, and I don't expect results for a few weeks but is there anything I need to run with the Aromasin or afterwards or any idea how long I should run it before I just stop ?

You can start with aromasin, but eventually if you see nothing within the 1st week you'll need to switch to letrozole.

 

[jp4355]

I just want to get some opinions on what I think is Gyno, but I'm not really sure.

I was a big kid all my life and about three years ago I began losing weight and to this day i cannot get rid of the "chest fat" or whatever it may be.

Stats:

Height: 5'9"
Weight: Fluctuates but around 155-165 (Very small for my height imo)
Bodyfat %: Last time i had it tested at my gym it was 10% with +- 3% range they say not really sure

I will attach some pictures from 3 years until now. I imagine my issue may be from my past, but I feel as though I've always had some form of gyno cause many people get fat but don't get MB's like I had.

BTW: The last two pictures of where I'm much leaner are very good pictures of my chest, but typically it looks much worse even now.

I've been looking into running Letrozole + Nolvadex based on things I've read on several forums and I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether this may help or not. I appreciate any assistance, I do not make excuses for my past but I got up and made a change I just want to be comfortable and happy with my physique for the first time in my life I've put the time in.

I 'am not trying to break them for you, but, whatever you used to test you BF% was way off, at 13%, You should have a lot more definition, and if it was 10%, you'd be ripped. In my picture I'am only about 12 or 13%, and there's a diff between my picture at 13 and your's at 13. The first picture you look to be in excess of 25%, and the 2nd about 15 or 16%. The bottom is hard to tell, because of the angle.
To the point though, what are you doing for chest exercise's. I think a lot of it could be addressed through a better program...................JP
P.S.
Anything you do to lesson the amount of Estrogen will help. First things first, is your diet it order, if not, square that away. So far, your making progress, but sometimes the hardest part is that last 10 lbs. Keep up the good work and try the AI's, they will help.

 

[Walter_512]

I 'am not trying to break them for you, but, whatever you used to test you BF% was way off, at 13%, You should have a lot more definition, and if it was 10%, you'd be ripped. In my picture I'am only about 12 or 13%, and there's a diff between my picture at 13 and your's at 13. The first picture you look to be in excess of 25%, and the 2nd about 15 or 16%. The bottom is hard to tell, because of the angle.
To the point though, what are you doing for chest exercise's. I think a lot of it could be addressed through a better program...................JP
P.S.
Anything you do to lesson the amount of Estrogen will help. First things first, is your diet it order, if not, square that away. So far, your making progress, but sometimes the hardest part is that last 10 lbs. Keep up the good work and try the AI's, they will help.

Not at all man I appreciate all criticism and they used a caliper to measure it in multiple spots and this was back last May when I was 155, but much weaker at that point than recently at close to 155. Once I got to 155 I could have cut more, but honestly my chest and stomach had excess skin and just looked bad, yes I could have definitely dropped 10 more lbs, but I don't think it would have actually helped much.

As for right now, I'm not dieting, but I do eat clean all year around, but I enjoy Chipotle and other foods in moderation, I am trying to gain some weight. Keeping it at ~1 lb per week for right now.

Wolfpack, so far I am liking what I see from Aromasin, it hasn't completely gone but my chest has gone down significantly in 5 days, so how long should I ideally run the aromasin as well as tapering off of it or should I just stop it when I'm satisfied?

 

[Walter_512]

Also jp4355, in regards to what I do for Chest:

Flat Barbell Bench
Incline Barbell/Dumbbell Bench
Weighted Wide-Grip Dips
Incline Dumbbell Flyes or Incline/Flat Cable Flyes
Hammer Strength Chest Press

This is typically what I do, I'm open to any and all recommendations.

 

[jp4355]

Also jp4355, in regards to what I do for Chest:

Flat Barbell Bench
Incline Barbell/Dumbbell Bench
Weighted Wide-Grip Dips
Incline Dumbbell Flyes or Incline/Flat Cable Flyes
Hammer Strength Chest Press

This is typically what I do, I'm open to any and all recommendations.

I saw where you use the Calipers, they're helpful, but not accurate. If I use Calipers, I come up with 5 to 6% (I wish). It's really not that important, as long as you're seeing improvement, that's what counts, not numbers.
If your Gym has the Decline Hammer Strength Chest Press (one with seat tilted back), then try this, sit with your behind near the edge of the seat, not all the way back, this will hit the lower chest between the Pecs, and help give some lift. The closer to the edge of the seat, the more emphasis on the lower pec. Do your reps with accentuation on the negative, slowly, like a four count, on the negative, and press up quickly. On the Hammer Strength, use as much weight as you can, Pyramid your sets. I like the Hammer Strength because you can overload them with more weight than you could do on a flat bench without a spotter............JP
P.S.
The rest of your chest workout looks OK. Just every now and then, switch up the order, weight (heavy and light day), and amount of reps, (Heavy days 5x5, Light 8x5) Throw some push-ups in at the end. They can really help, and vary the position of the push-ups to. Also supersets are great, especially if your short on time, or you really want to get your heart rate up, will help burn fat.

 

[Walter_512]

I saw where you use the Calipers, they're helpful, but not accurate. If I use Calipers, I come up with 5 to 6% (I wish). It's really not that important, as long as you're seeing improvement, that's what counts, not numbers.
If your Gym has the Decline Hammer Strength Chest Press (one with seat tilted back), then try this, sit with your behind near the edge of the seat, not all the way back, this will hit the lower chest between the Pecs, and help give some lift. The closer to the edge of the seat, the more emphasis on the lower pec. Do your reps with accentuation on the negative, slowly, like a four count, on the negative, and press up quickly. On the Hammer Strength, use as much weight as you can, Pyramid your sets. I like the Hammer Strength because you can overload them with more weight than you could do on a flat bench without a spotter............JP
P.S.
The rest of your chest workout looks OK. Just every now and then, switch up the order, weight (heavy and light day), and amount of reps, (Heavy days 5x5, Light 8x5) Throw some push-ups in at the end. They can really help, and vary the position of the push-ups to. Also supersets are great, especially if your short on time, or you really want to get your heart rate up, will help burn fat.

Ya I assumed it wasn't very accurate but they gave me +- 3% because of that anyways. He also could tell I lost a lot of weight when he did the test and told me most of what I had on my stomach was skin not fat, but he may not really know.

As for the decline hammer strength, we do not have one otherwise that would be my go to machine, they have a converging press, incline press and the hammer strength flat chest press. Decline bench hurts my shoulder so I don't do it and just supplement with weighted dips with the wider grip handles (More chest emphasis?? i could be wrong).

I always switch it up and do different things with rep ranges. I just changed two weeks ago from doing 4-5 sets of bench press with random reps to a 3 x 5 for flat bench.

I'll throw in some different types of push-ups as well. I've seen improvement consistently so I'm just gonna keep working hard and hopefully I'll get to my goal, just gotta be patient I guess.

 

[jp4355]

Ya I assumed it wasn't very accurate but they gave me +- 3% because of that anyways. He also could tell I lost a lot of weight when he did the test and told me most of what I had on my stomach was skin not fat, but he may not really know.

As for the decline hammer strength, we do not have one otherwise that would be my go to machine, they have a converging press, incline press and the hammer strength flat chest press. Decline bench hurts my shoulder so I don't do it and just supplement with weighted dips with the wider grip handles (More chest emphasis?? i could be wrong).

I always switch it up and do different things with rep ranges. I just changed two weeks ago from doing 4-5 sets of bench press with random reps to a 3 x 5 for flat bench.

I'll throw in some different types of push-ups as well. I've seen improvement consistently so I'm just gonna keep working hard and hopefully I'll get to my goal, just gotta be patient I guess.

That's a damn shame, no Hammer Decline, it's a great machine, how about Dumbbell Declines, sometimes that's easier on the shoulders, allows for independent movement. Also, there's Decline DB Flyes, DB Pullovers (gives a good stretch to pecs). Also, at the end of your Chest Workout, you could do Decline Cable Crossovers (help give shape), as well as Standing cable crossovers, while leaning forward (hits the top of pec, and will pull up the bottom). Some days, I start with Cables as a Pre-exhaust, and then go to the rest of Chest Routine. However you do it, just remember to change it up every 2 months or so, so your body doesn't become accustomed to the same thing. So long as your moving forward, that's the key......................JP

 

[Walter_512]

That's a damn shame, no Hammer Decline, it's a great machine, how about Dumbbell Declines, sometimes that's easier on the shoulders, allows for independent movement. Also, there's Decline DB Flyes, DB Pullovers (gives a good stretch to pecs). Also, at the end of your Chest Workout, you could do Decline Cable Crossovers (help give shape), as well as Standing cable crossovers, while leaning forward (hits the top of pec, and will pull up the bottom). Some days, I start with Cables as a Pre-exhaust, and then go to the rest of Chest Routine. However you do it, just remember to change it up every 2 months or so, so your body doesn't become accustomed to the same thing. So long as your moving forward, that's the key......................JP

Trust me man I know my old gym had it, but now I'm up at school and our gym does not, it was by far one of my favorite machines along with Hammer strength shoulder press which they also don't have. There are no benches that decline other than the two with the decline barbell I suppose I could take the bar off and do dumbbells but the dumbbells are on the other side of a huge gym.
I do DB pullovers on back day, I still haven't found an answer as to whether they work back/chest more, but it works either way.
I actually did Incline Cable Flyes as well as Decline Cable Crossovers for the past few months at the end of my workout and changed it up recently to Weighted Dips and Normal Chest Flyes to give my body a change.
I'll definitely try out the cables first once in awhile from now on.
I'm thinking about switching to DB's for flat bench for awhile I've been doing Barbell for a while so it may be time, we will see.
But ya I have progressed a lot this year and will continue to do so, but thanks for all the pointers I will definitely be sticking around the forum everyone here is great!

 

[jp4355]

Trust me man I know my old gym had it, but now I'm up at school and our gym does not, it was by far one of my favorite machines along with Hammer strength shoulder press which they also don't have. There are no benches that decline other than the two with the decline barbell I suppose I could take the bar off and do dumbbells but the dumbbells are on the other side of a huge gym.
I do DB pullovers on back day, I still haven't found an answer as to whether they work back/chest more, but it works either way.
I actually did Incline Cable Flyes as well as Decline Cable Crossovers for the past few months at the end of my workout and changed it up recently to Weighted Dips and Normal Chest Flyes to give my body a change.
I'll definitely try out the cables first once in awhile from now on.
I'm thinking about switching to DB's for flat bench for awhile I've been doing Barbell for a while so it may be time, we will see.
But ya I have progressed a lot this year and will continue to do so, but thanks for all the pointers I will definitely be sticking around the forum everyone here is great!

I used to do them on Chest day, to help expand my chest when I was younger. Now I just superset Chest/Back together. I like it better than having a separate day for both. You should try it. I'll start something like this (the progression, not written in stone), 1 set Wide-Grip Pullups (can't do pullups, do Cable Pull-downs, and vary the grip), directly to 1 set DB Incline bench press. I'll go 3 sets like that, then move the grip on pullups to shoulder width with a set of Flat DB bench (3 sets), then go Very-Narrow Grip pullups with Decline DB bench for 3 sets each. If I still got some juice left then I'll go to either Pec-deck or Cable Flye with one-arm Rows for 3 sets each. Saving Dips and Close-grip DB Partial Incline for last. My goal is at least 15 sets of each, if too much, adjust accordingly..............JP
P.S.
Try and keep your rest in between the supersets, to just long enough to move to that piece of equipment, or just long enough to catch your breath. Then the rest between sets is no more than 1 to 1 1/2 minutes. This way the workout is quick, and you really get a good Cardiovascular workout to.

 

[AnalogMan]

If you get time brother, check out my "blogs", you may find some help there, and the PMID:,s read "real" close.....Good luck ...........AnalogMan

 

[addcd2gains]

I just want to get some opinions on what I think is Gyno, but I'm not really sure.

I was a big kid all my life and about three years ago I began losing weight and to this day i cannot get rid of the "chest fat" or whatever it may be.

Stats:

Height: 5'9"
Weight: Fluctuates but around 155-165 (Very small for my height imo)
Bodyfat %: Last time i had it tested at my gym it was 10% with +- 3% range they say not really sure

I will attach some pictures from 3 years until now. I imagine my issue may be from my past, but I feel as though I've always had some form of gyno cause many people get fat but don't get MB's like I had.

BTW: The last two pictures of where I'm much leaner are very good pictures of my chest, but typically it looks much worse even now.

I've been looking into running Letrozole + Nolvadex based on things I've read on several forums and I'm hoping to get some insight as to whether this may help or not. I appreciate any assistance, I do not make excuses for my past but I got up and made a change I just want to be comfortable and happy with my physique for the first time in my life I've put the time in.

Just come to my house bro, I got scissors.

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[fizzisnumerouno]

OP, I didn't read the whole thread and not sure if anybody recommended forward leaning dips but they're crucial to lower pec development


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[13bret]

Congrats on what you've already accomplished. Blast the shit out of that chest for a while, once u put some big pecs in there that skin will tighten right up. My opinion.

 

[addcd2gains]

Hey man just wanted to say that you are an inspiration. You look way better all together. Even your chest man. My chest is about the same (a little larger mamas) as yours before you started losing ask the weight. Just looking at your pictures gives me hope that I can look good again someday too. Cheers broseph

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[Tubulin]

To be honest bro I've seen gyno a lot of times on my friends. I don't think this is gyno in any way. Listen to wolfpack, he knows his shit.


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[ACSlater]

Not an expery but I definitely think WPA is right, more loose skin than gyno. Youre doing great and have come a long way. I would focus on more of a recomping phase rather than a cut or bulk. You are probably closer to 15% than 10% I would say based on your pics. With that in mind, you wouldnt want to bulk too hard, especially not at a pound per week. This would cause you to gain back some fat quite quickly. Keep up the good work man. I can tell good things are coming for you.

 

[addcd2gains]

Not an expery but I definitely think WPA is right, more loose skin than gyno. Youre doing great and have come a long way. I would focus on more of a recomping phase rather than a cut or bulk. You are probably closer to 15% than 10% I would say based on your pics. With that in mind, you wouldnt want to bulk too hard, especially not at a pound per week. This would cause you to gain back some fat quite quickly. Keep up the good work man. I can tell good things are coming for you.

There is definitely some gyno there, he wouldn't have such puffy nips if there was no gyno..

To be honest bro I've seen gyno a lot of times on my friends. I don't think this is gyno in any way. Listen to wolfpack, he knows his shit.


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[Anofuctus]

I'm surprised that no one here mention that you should look into garcinia cambogia. If your "problem" really isn't REAL GYNO then GC will eradicate that chest fat like the way Ellen DeGeneres did to get of some unwanted belly fat and left her with nodules.

 

[Whittenator]

Im with wolfpack on this one, if you get really lean and then bulk. Your body will be more anabolic for building muscle than it is now.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I am as well. I think forward leaning dips are the cure. Just don't lock out at the apex.

http://youtu.be/zKTdcdeR5Nk



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[Walter_512]

OP, I didn't read the whole thread and not sure if anybody recommended forward leaning dips but they're crucial to lower pec development

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I do Leaning Dips with weight on chest day every week. I've been doing it for a few weeks now so we'll see how it goes in a few months.

Congrats on what you've already accomplished. Blast the shit out of that chest for a while, once u put some big pecs in there that skin will tighten right up. My opinion.

Thanks man I'm coming to realize that that's the issue and I just need to fill it all out.

Hey man just wanted to say that you are an inspiration. You look way better all together. Even your chest man. My chest is about the same (a little larger mamas) as yours before you started losing ask the weight. Just looking at your pictures gives me hope that I can look good again someday too. Cheers broseph

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Glad I can inspire you bro, good luck man it's a long process but it's worth every single second.

To be honest bro I've seen gyno a lot of times on my friends. I don't think this is gyno in any way. Listen to wolfpack, he knows his shit.


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I think you guys may be right, not sure why the nipples are so puffy but the Aromasin has helped with that and I've been gaining size so that's helping to tighten up the chest.

Not an expery but I definitely think WPA is right, more loose skin than gyno. Youre doing great and have come a long way. I would focus on more of a recomping phase rather than a cut or bulk. You are probably closer to 15% than 10% I would say based on your pics. With that in mind, you wouldnt want to bulk too hard, especially not at a pound per week. This would cause you to gain back some fat quite quickly. Keep up the good work man. I can tell good things are coming for you.

The pictures don't really show it, but I cut down to 155 and had abs but my lower stomach and chest had some sag which is obviously skin, so the goal right now is to just bulk up for awhile slowly and hopefully when I put on enough size I will fill it all out.

I'm surprised that no one here mention that you should look into garcinia cambogia. If your "problem" really isn't REAL GYNO then GC will eradicate that chest fat like the way Ellen DeGeneres did to get of some unwanted belly fat and left her with nodules.

I don't believe my issue is burning chest fat, because even when I lean out my chest just gets some sag rather than actually getting smaller.

Im with wolfpack on this one, if you get really lean and then bulk. Your body will be more anabolic for building muscle than it is now.

At 5'9" I do not feel as though being smaller than 155 is appropriate. I do not want to be that small and right now I just need some size so I'm just gonna slowly bulk up.


I appreciate all the opinions and help, the goal right now is to fill my frame out and then hopefully this won't be as much of an issue. I'm around 170 right now and liking how I look better than at 155 cause everything is tightening up so hopefully that continues.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I do Leaning Dips with weight on chest day every week. I've been doing it for a few weeks now so we'll see how it goes in a few months.



Thanks man I'm coming to realize that that's the issue and I just need to fill it all out.



Glad I can inspire you bro, good luck man it's a long process but it's worth every single second.



I think you guys may be right, not sure why the nipples are so puffy but the Aromasin has helped with that and I've been gaining size so that's helping to tighten up the chest.



The pictures don't really show it, but I cut down to 155 and had abs but my lower stomach and chest had some sag which is obviously skin, so the goal right now is to just bulk up for awhile slowly and hopefully when I put on enough size I will fill it all out.



I don't believe my issue is burning chest fat, because even when I lean out my chest just gets some sag rather than actually getting smaller.



At 5'9" I do not feel as though being smaller than 155 is appropriate. I do not want to be that small and right now I just need some size so I'm just gonna slowly bulk up.


I appreciate all the opinions and help, the goal right now is to fill my frame out and then hopefully this won't be as much of an issue. I'm around 170 right now and liking how I look better than at 155 cause everything is tightening up so hopefully that continues.

Get as low as possible brother. I am excited too see your progress.


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[xdarren18]

Dips have also helped my chest a lot. I love them. Strangely enough chest cable flies work really well for me also.

 

[Walter_512]

So I really liked the results I got from Aromasin at 12.5 mg/ED for a few weeks, but I dropped it down to 12.5 mg/EOD and the puffy nipples and MB's are slowly returning. I'm curious how long I should/could run the Aromasin at 12.5mg/ED and if I should take anything alongside to help with sex drive cause that doesn't seem to be where I want it at all.

Also, it really dried me out while I was on it so what could I take to counter that?

 

[gymrat827]

Whats your plan to get rid of it?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

So I really liked the results I got from Aromasin at 12.5 mg/ED for a few weeks, but I dropped it down to 12.5 mg/EOD and the puffy nipples and MB's are slowly returning. I'm curious how long I should/could run the Aromasin at 12.5mg/ED and if I should take anything alongside to help with sex drive cause that doesn't seem to be where I want it at all.

Also, it really dried me out while I was on it so what could I take to counter that?

The best way is always to seek a doctor's help. There are other products that are quite helpful. For instance, topically applied products such as yohmflame is a viable option. http://www.evolutionary.org/what-is-yohimflame/

You can find this at www.needtobuildmuscle.com

All aromatase inhibitors can drop your estrogen levels to an undesirable level. Estrogen can be our enemy, but no estrogen can as well. It is especially hard on our joints, and moreso elbows than anything it seems, so getting constant bloodwork is a must. You really need to learn to dial it in my man. Estrogen depletion can also lead to dysfunctional libido too brother.

 

[Walter_512]

The best way is always to seek a doctor's help. There are other products that are quite helpful. For instance, topically applied products such as yohmflame is a viable option. http://www.evolutionary.org/what-is-yohimflame/

You can find this at www.needtobuildmuscle.com

All aromatase inhibitors can drop your estrogen levels to an undesirable level. Estrogen can be our enemy, but no estrogen can as well. It is especially hard on our joints, and moreso elbows than anything it seems, so getting constant bloodwork is a must. You really need to learn to dial it in my man. Estrogen depletion can also lead to dysfunctional libido too brother.

A doctor's help for what? My estrogen levels aren't high from a cycle I have just always had bitch tits im assuming it's due to me being a heavy kid most of my life and I'm trying to get lessen it.

The Aromasin did well for me when I was on it, I mean my joints were a little dry but nothing too bad it didn't help that it was really cold out but since that's over it won't be as bad.

I'm just wondering how long I should run Aromasin 12.5mg/ED for to see lasting results ?

And my sex drive is definitely nothing to be concerned about, I have no issues there it's just not as high as it could be.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

It's always wise to get bloods done whenever running any hormonal compound, bro. Both before and after. Whether it's estrogen related or testosterone related. As far as "my sex drive isn't where I want it to be at all" sounds a little more harsh than "it not being as high as it could be." And saying "it really dried me out" also sounds way worse than "joints were a little dry, nothing too bad it didn't help that it was really cold..."

You may want to drop the aromasin lower than 12.5 but use it ED? Sometimes you need to fine tune it. Also, try the yomimflame too. And when it comes to gyno, seeing results can be subjective considering your's is pubescent gyno, not gear gyno.


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[Walter_512]

It's always wise to get bloods done whenever running any hormonal compound, bro. Both before and after. Whether it's estrogen related or testosterone related. As far as "my sex drive isn't where I want it to be at all" sounds a little more harsh than "it not being as high as it could be." And saying "it really dried me out" also sounds way worse than "joints were a little dry, nothing too bad it didn't help that it was really cold..."

You may want to drop the aromasin lower than 12.5 but use it ED? Sometimes you need to fine tune it. Also, try the yomimflame too. And when it comes to gyno, seeing results can be subjective considering your's is pubescent gyno, not gear gyno.


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Fair enough I did say two conflicting statements, so I apologize for that. Based on the past few days I think my sex drive is just fine, If anything changes I will look into the yohmflame, as of right now I just started DAA this week so maybe that will help a bit.

As for the dryness, I'm not really all that sure, I didn't have any issues working out or in general, I just can tell when I'm dried out and I could see it especially in my hands, but it's nothing concerning I just wasn't sure if there's anything I can take to counter it slightly or help with the joints just in case.

Really though my question was how long can I safely or how long should I run the Aromasin at 12.5 mg/ED to actually keep the results, I know it's a hard call but can I run it for a few months without running into problems?

Also, I have bloods from December I did to check out my levels, but I will get some more done soon.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Yeah. You said you had gyno rebound after switching to 12.5 EOD, right? It has a shorter half-life than other compounds. Some say 20 hours, I think the consensus is 24-36. You might be at a point where you need to lower your ED dosage, slightly. Maybe drop it down to 10 ED. And keep tapering till the dryness subsides. Yomimbe has libido properties but the yohimiflane is a topical fat burner. So using it on lower pecs might help eliminate the excess pubescent fat. What it looked like to me also is that your lower inner pecs might have been under-developed. Download jet-fit and focus on all lower pec development. Do 3-4 lower peck movements per routine or maybe create a 6th day of exercise just focusing on lower pecs.


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[Walter_512]

Yeah. You said you had gyno rebound after switching to 12.5 EOD, right? It has a shorter half-life than other compounds. Some say 20 hours, I think the consensus is 24-36. You might be at a point where you need to lower your ED dosage, slightly. Maybe drop it down to 10 ED. And keep tapering till the dryness subsides. Yomimbe has libido properties but the yohimiflane is a topical fat burner. So using it on lower pecs might help eliminate the excess pubescent fat. What it looked like to me also is that your lower inner pecs might have been under-developed. Download jet-fit and focus on all lower pec development. Do 3-4 lower peck movements per routine or maybe create a 6th day of exercise just focusing on lower pecs.

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Yeah I did, so I am back to 12.5 mg/ED this week I'm gonna keep it at 12.5 until I'm happy with the results and then I will slowly taper it down but keep it ED. I'm not dried out or any joint issues ATM because I lowered the dosage for a few weeks.

Interesting I will probably order it and try it out, I feel like a topical fat burner goes against everything I've ever learned but it can't hurt to try it (unless it burns).

I do feel like my lower inner pec is slightly under developed so I will try that I just downloaded JeFit and will probably do some Lower-Pec work 2-3 times per week and see how that goes. But also I think it's mainly just the left over skin from when I was a bigger kid, the upper chest has tightened up really well so now the focus is the lower. I think the more I grow the better it will be, so I'm just working on getting bigger at this point (Clean bulk).

I appreciate the help a lot fizz I will definitely keep you posted on how the lower pec exercises help.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Yeah I did, so I am back to 12.5 mg/ED this week I'm gonna keep it at 12.5 until I'm happy with the results and then I will slowly taper it down but keep it ED. I'm not dried out or any joint issues ATM because I lowered the dosage for a few weeks.

Interesting I will probably order it and try it out, I feel like a topical fat burner goes against everything I've ever learned but it can't hurt to try it (unless it burns).

I do feel like my lower inner pec is slightly under developed so I will try that I just downloaded JeFit and will probably do some Lower-Pec work 2-3 times per week and see how that goes. But also I think it's mainly just the left over skin from when I was a bigger kid, the upper chest has tightened up really well so now the focus is the lower. I think the more I grow the better it will be, so I'm just working on getting bigger at this point (Clean bulk).

I appreciate the help a lot fizz I will definitely keep you posted on how the lower pec exercises help.

Yeah you seem like you stay involved and have fine tuned your approach. I give people who do real transformations a lot of credit. Keep up the good work. Use Dylan10 if you decide to run the yohimiflame to get 10% off. I'm hearing good stuff about it. I showed your picture to a few fellow trainers, and one guy said he was a WoW gamer as a kid and lost some serious weight and had the same issues. Make sure you stick around the boards even when you fill out. We look forward to seeing what you look like periodically.



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[Walter_512]

Yeah you seem like you stay involved and have fine tuned your approach. I give people who do real transformations a lot of credit. Keep up the good work. Use Dylan10 if you decide to run the yohimiflame to get 10% off. I'm hearing good stuff about it. I showed your picture to a few fellow trainers, and one guy said he was a WoW gamer as a kid and lost some serious weight and had the same issues. Make sure you stick around the boards even when you fill out. We look forward to seeing what you look like periodically.

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I am very involved I haven't stopped my journey since I started three years ago. As for the WoW gamer what did your buddy do to help him? Did he try yohimflame cause I think I'm gonna order it and will definitely use the code.

I will definitely be sticking around everyone here is very knowledgable and really willing to help and I appreciate it. I will definitely keep the progress going and will post periodically.

As for the JeFit app it doesn't really show chest exercises for the lower-pecs specifically so I was curious if you have any recommendations? I'm gonna try slightly declined DB bench I see some people doing that so I wanna try it since Decline Barbell hurts my shoulder. Also gonna keep doing weighted Wide-grip dips, and I may start doing Decline DB pullover rather than flat. And some cable work as well and just hit those 4 things at least twice a week.

 

[13bret]

Weighted dips(leaning forward to use pecs over tris), dumbell pullovers, and decline pushups(feet on ground, hands on step or short bench). As your body adapts to these change it up by supersetting two of them or giant setting all three. After that utilize drop sets and you should see some good growth.

 

[bigMarti]

your best option is letrozole

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I am very involved I haven't stopped my journey since I started three years ago. As for the WoW gamer what did your buddy do to help him? Did he try yohimflame cause I think I'm gonna order it and will definitely use the code.

I will definitely be sticking around everyone here is very knowledgable and really willing to help and I appreciate it. I will definitely keep the progress going and will post periodically.

As for the JeFit app it doesn't really show chest exercises for the lower-pecs specifically so I was curious if you have any recommendations? I'm gonna try slightly declined DB bench I see some people doing that so I wanna try it since Decline Barbell hurts my shoulder. Also gonna keep doing weighted Wide-grip dips, and I may start doing Decline DB pullover rather than flat. And some cable work as well and just hit those 4 things at least twice a week.

He just got mad because his brother broke his balls about being lovable fat guy and he went full throttle into exercise. He dropped a ton in his basement actually. He hasn't really experimented with compounds. He got a 6 pack and everything. Now he upped his mass but still goes at it hard.


As far as lower peck, setting the cables to a low heght and doing standing cable flys works great, forward leaners, which you've already done but just do a ton of them. Decline press both dumbbell and barbell. Another decline press is to take the 2 dumbbells and keep them pressed together and to raise and lower them slightly. Incline, flat and decline dumbbell and cable pullovers work too.




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[gearhead]

You need to keep using letrozole with nolvadex until your gyno is gone completely.