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Testosterone Therapy and PCT?

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mixc8

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Hi Folks:

I recently got my doctor to start me on testosterone therapy, now I love this forum and highly respect the folks here.My doc put me on what seems to be the normal dose of 200mg per wk, I will be honest as this was a way for me to get test legally. I am of course into bodying building and have been since I was 12 yrs old and I am currently 52yrs old so having the extra test is a good thing. Over the yrs I have done my share of AAS but never on mega dose's as I wanted to play it safe in the long run for my health. The other week I asked my doctor how long does one stay on this program? he stated you can stay on it as long as you want being that the dose is so low, so there's no need to come off. I do plan to add other AAS in the next few weeks such Deca, Primo etc, my goal is size and shape. Here's where I am a little confused at? Of course after you run a cycle you normally run a PCT, my question is since I am on such a low dose of test (and he has me on test CIP by the way) when I finish my cycle do I still need a run a PCT or will continuing running the 200mg of test per work due as a PCT?

Thanks All....
 
Also you are ok TRT which means you have low T supposedly and you need the test to get "normal levels" trt is for life or until you just give up on having testosterone in ur body lol. Once you are on synthetic test for some long, it completely shit you down from what I understand. Also I believe there is no need for pct when you are a trt patient.
 
Bro you already in trt you don't need pct just at the end of last week go lower what I mean if you running 800 next week do 650 next week lower and stay in 250 week 125 twice a week
 
Redam said:
Wait your doc prescribe 200mg of test a week? That's 800mg a week which is higher than what I run for my cycles
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I think you meant 200mg a week....that is STILL a little high. I mean I wouldn't complain but that is close to a CRUISING DOSE. Meaning, people usually get 100mg a week. If they are lucky. Some docs, not knowing what they are doing, give you a big dose only twice a month which I think shows their incompetence. Getting weekly injections is a great thing. How low was you Test level?

As for PCT that is the beauty of TRT my friend. NO PCT NEEDED. You just go back to the dose you are normally prescribed. However, you have a lot to think about if your going to go on cycle. When the time comes for your blood work your doc is gonna shit if he sees your Test levels through the roof
 
A lot of docs will prescribe 200mg ew. It's not uncommon. Just depends on how liberal they are really
 
My d.r has me on 200mg or 1 cc a week... Plus hcg and clomiphene 50 mg.... And 1 mg of anastrozole...


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Hi All:

Thanks for getting back to me, let me make a correction doc gave me 1 bottle of Test Cypionate 100mg/ML I do 2 cc's per week.
 
Yes here was my levels at the time, so I went to see my doc he did my blood work and it came back as follows and I am looking at the paper work was I am reading it to you. Testosterone, Free, 3.49 Lo now I will admit I had just come off a OTC test booster when I had my blood tested.
 
Ok that is your free testosterone.....that should be about 2% of your TOTAL TESTOSETERONE. However, it does not really mean anything by itself unless you know what your Total Test is. What was your TOTAL test level?
 
I am trying to see what was my total test level, I am reading Testosterone, TOT.,S. 158.2 LO hope the helps....
 
mixc8 said:
I am trying to see what was my total test level, I am reading Testosterone, TOT.,S. 158.2 LO hope the helps....
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Yes...if that is yout TOTAL TEST 158.2 that is def low. 200mg a week will fix you RIGHT UP! That will def put you on the high side of normal if not a little more
 
Thanks Mateo123:

Now let me look at of from a body builder point of view, well in order to gain size and leanness wouldn't I have to up this amount? or should I leave it where it as it is and rely AAS to get what I am looking for? The average test level to gain size and leanness is 500 to 600mg per week if I am correct? but since this seems to be a safe level at 200mg maybe I should not screw around with it? Now I have been doing this for the past let's say 3 months and yes my physique is getting a little leaner, I am currently around 205lb at 5'10 my goal is to get around 215 to 220 lean looking good at 53 yrs LOL .
 
It all depends on what it is your really after. You would be surprised what you can do with healthy test levels. As you already stated...you are seeing results. Having low T is bad for many reasons. But to answer your question, running high levels of Test just for the sake of it is not good either. If you are serious about working out and changing your physique to the extreme, than taking in more Test is definitely something to consider. But, I would ask yourself to what level it is you want to excell. Many people in their 50's would LOVE to just have high normal T levels. Taking in more hormones of any kind has its repercussions. You will have to prepare for blood work, monitor your health and pay a lot more attention to detail.
 
As others have pointed out 200mg/week will put you on the high side. I'm on trt, and even though I'm prescribed 400mg/week test, and 200mg/week deca, the IDEAL protocol I've found from a tremendous doc (different one), is 35mg injected 3x/week in the quads. 25g 5/8" pin. That's the ACTUAL dose I use while on trt. When blasting? That's a different story...
 
dstrong1 said:
How long would one be on trt before permanent shutdown?
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Good question. I don't know exactly how long to the day but once you start injecting Test endogenously (from outiside the body not naturally) the body immediately starts to shut down its natural production. In Physiology its the first thing they teach you on day 1. Its called HOMEOSTASIS. The body is always trying to keep a perfect state of balance. NO MATTER WHAT
 
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Hay Devildog:

Your Doc put you on deca as well? WoW it's hard here (I live in NY) to get doctors to give you anything other then test cypionate or propionate. The state is tight on what they can give out for TRT and every time I get a refill it has to be registered, but hay I am not complaining because my insurance pays for it! Tee-Hee :) LOL
 
I understand completely bro. I'm glad I relocated to the south east when I did. Too many oppressive laws in the north, and way too many regulations. Anyhow, I'd post the clinic name, but don't want the no good freedom hating, government loving communists giving anyone in this profession any more trouble than they already do. I'll remember to PM you when you and I have the posts to do so. You'll have to travel once, but after that, they handle the rest, and he'll probably prescribe hcg, Arimidex, and if you want, Sermorelin. I use pharma GH, and have been for well over a decade, so I don't need the Sermorelin. I do recommend the Sermorelin, however, if one isn't using GH. I believe it cost me $275 for the office visit, plus labs, then the gear. It's probably less than a grand to get started.
 
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Thanks Devildog!

That would be so cool! I recently started using Sermorelin, I get mine from BlueSky peptides, I want to see what it will do for me in the long run. I am actually checking out a few other peptides as well, GHRP-6, MGF, CJC 1295 no/Dac w/Ipamorelin, IGF-1LR3 and IGF-Des. I just started them a little over a month ago, my research shows that they take anywhere from 3 to 6 mos to kick in. I am also going to give those SARMS a try like GW. I love this forum so I am working hard to become a trusted member so other doors will open for me :)
 
Hey Devildog- Like you I can't PM. You say southeast so I have a pretty good idea where you are. If you get a chance, drop the clinic info to edited I'm guessing PRP @ KB for location. Hoping anyway. Thanks.
 
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I just turned 50 and have been on TRT for a little over three years at 100 mg per week. Few months ago I decided to add AAS and cruise on a little extra test and Deca to break through a weightlifting plateau. It worked but I can't be on cruising forever. So you at some point you will need to taper down to regular TRT levels so you show proper testosterone levels at your next blood test. You will want to use AI when increasing testosterone levels otherwise you risk getting gynecomastia.
 
Hay w8lifter:

as being on trt for that amount of time did you run into any issues physically?

Thanks
 
mixc8 said:
Hay w8lifter:

as being on trt for that amount of time did you run into any issues physically?

Thanks
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Not that I can tell. I'm having other issues, like anemia, fatigue, and am beginning to wonder if I should do a reboot of sorts; go off TRT and use Clomid for a few months and then go back on TRT. I wonder if androgen receptors can get desensitized or less receptive when using the same protocol over and over. Don't know. I'll talk to my doc about it. Maybe switch from using T cyp to sust250 for a while to shake things up. I'll see what my doc says.
 
Mixc8 I would start at a lower dose and work my way up no need to start at 500 or 600 a week or pin every 5 days 250 every 7 works for me


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w8lifter said:
I just turned 50 and have been on TRT for a little over three years at 100 mg per week. Few months ago I decided to add AAS and cruise on a little extra test and Deca to break through a weightlifting plateau. It worked but I can't be on cruising forever. So you at some point you will need to taper down to regular TRT levels so you show proper testosterone levels at your next blood test. You will want to use AI when increasing testosterone levels otherwise you risk getting gynecomastia.
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and other undesirable sides as well.
 
Strength went up. Dbols caused a little water weight; not much. Liver enzymes went up a tad. Was hard to get estradiol steady in range. So ordered my own blood every month. I'm off the blast now to get back to TRT levels (1000 or lower) for my next doctor ordered blood work. Can't wait to start another blast. Want to bulk up a tad for two sons college graduations in late May and all the party's after. 😊
 
Just curious which one Its better for TRT tes E or Sustsnon 250?


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Amozoc said:
Just curious which one Its better for TRT tes E or Sustsnon 250?


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Is this self prescribed?
Half life of test e is around 4.5 days so that would mean bi weekly injections to keep bloods the most stable.
Sust was originally designed for trt I believe but with the spikes and valleys from the short esters I wouldn't recommend using sust for TRT

Test C would be ideal as you could get away with doing a once a week injection.
 
Atrox said:
Hey Devildog- Like you I can't PM. You say southeast so I have a pretty good idea where you are. If you get a chance, drop the clinic info to [email protected]. I'm guessing PRP @ KB for location. Hoping anyway. Thanks.
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mixc8 said:
Hay Devildog:

my mail is [email protected]


Thanks Bro!
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Guys, not smart. I know you guys can't p.m but to post your emails up asking for details you could get had by someone. Considering all that stuff that has gone down this week I would exercise more caution.
 
Hi Freak:

Well here's the deal, for example I go to my doctor today he will shoot me with 400mg today since a missed a week, if I go weekly it's 200mg if I go every other week it's 400mg. My goal was to try to get up in the 500 to 600 a week range but I don't want to cause any suspicion. see my insurance pays for this and since the normal trt here in NY is between 100 mg to 200mg per wk it may rase a red flag with them and I don't want my Doc to think the same. Now on a good note since I have my paper work stating I have low T, I could go to another doctor as well and get the added CC's I am looking for but again I don't want to rase any red flags with the insurance Co. Or I can go to another doctor and pay out of pocket but those doctors here who don't want to take your insurance want like $1,400.00 every 4 months for trt. LOL are you kidding me! do you know how much gear I can get for that! TRT and GH have become a big racket here and a lot of doctors are steering folks away from using their insurance and pay out of pocket instead, every time I turn around now all I am seeing is ad's for trt.
 
nsnmatty said:
Is this self prescribed?
Half life of test e is around 4.5 days so that would mean bi weekly injections to keep bloods the most stable.
Sust was originally designed for trt I believe but with the spikes and valleys from the short esters I wouldn't recommend using sust for TRT

Test C would be ideal as you could get away with doing a once a week injection.
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Thanks Bro for your replay


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250 of test e every 5 days works really good with me when I blast but when I'm crusing I use 250 every 7 sometimes less when I'm stretching it out due to lack of availability


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Hi there, I see you on youtube and love all the information you are giving out about SARMs and how to use them. I was wondering because I saw in a thread you were asking about a year ago in october about BLUESKY PEPTIDES. I know that you're working for another company now and I was unaware about this until I saw all the hype about you online but I would just like your honest opinion man to man, business put aside for a moment. Have you tried any products from BlueSky and if so were they effective?

I ordered:
LGD 10mg/ml x 30ml
S4 25mg/ml x 30ml
GW 10mg/ml x30ml

I've since learned that I am going to need some more GW because dosage is recommended at 20mg/ed but I think for my first couple weeks in testing the quality of BlueSky it shouldn't hurt me too bad.

I'm 166lbs, 26yrs old 6ft with about 8% body fat. Looking to gain some muscle and keep it. Please let me know. I am on a budget and cant afford the 350$ at your website but I have done the research and for the S4 at 50mg/ml and GW at 20mg/ml it would be close in pricing if I got the same thing from Bluesky and competitive with yours. Which I might decide to do for the next 4 weeks when I get a paycheck. I hope you understand its difficult to just lay out 350$ on something I don't know if its going to work when I am on a tight budget. But that being said I would truly appreciate if you gave me an honest review on BlueSky even though I know you will go ahead and try to promote your product anyways. I am a businessman also and I get it, I am looking to try your products too but I already made a purchase and want to know your honest opinion from what you've heard or if you have experience with this company. Thank you and have a nice day.
 
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