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Zenfudge

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Good Morning brothers,

I wanted to introduce myself to the board. I've been lurking for about a month and am taken aback by the wealth of knowledge here!

A bit about myself:
  • 38 yo
  • former competitive bodybuilder (just local shows, in my early 20s)
  • multiple cycles (> 10) in the past, but none since age 23
  • I grew up in this sport during the time of "Ultimate Orange/Ephedrine", GHB was legal, steroids were actually hard to come by (trips to Mexico were frequent lol)
Fast forward to 28 days ago - Started my first cycle in 15 years. Goal = Recomposition while maintaining mobility and athleticism
  • My stats at the time of my cycle starting: 6'1", 199 lb, 8% bf
  • Started a cycle with testE (400 mg/week) and Anavar 50 mg ED
  • Threw in tren 2 weeks ago: Androxine 50 mg preworkout + tren ace 50 mg on non-workout days (350 mg total per week)
  • Current stats: 219 lbs, 8% bf (not a typo - I've put on 20 lbs in 28 days, am more vascular, but I caliper at the same bf
Things I've learned
  • The game has changed. There is a wealth of information that just was not available in the 1990s, gear is much easier to obtain (pros and cons to this)
  • There are scammers out there (I will not put a company on blast in this forum, suffice it to say I am battling to get my money back from a supplier that picked up my moneygram and is now avoiding my emails (this has been going on for over a month)
  • There are fantastic suppliers here and I will only mention them if the mods ok me to do so
  • Pharmacom anavar is the bomb! Seriously, this is probably my favorite compound thus far...sad to stop it now - only planned for 4 week run. I felt this stuff kick in within 4 days!
  • This is my first time trying tren - I've tolerated it well - only sides are sweats (I am also running liquid prami). No insomnia, mood is great, pecker still works
Questions I still have
  • I have procured some HGH and plan on doing long-term (as long as I can afford it) low-dose (2-3IU) daily - the product is serostim
  • What is the consensus on the damn bacteriostatic vs sterile water? Has anybody here run serostim with just the sterile water and had good results?
  • Should I extend my AAS longer since I am about to start the GH? I plan on running the GH solo after my PCT, but is that a waste?
  • I will not run insulin since I do not want to gain anymore weight, but should I run T3 or T4 with the GH (I'm reading that GH is inhibitory to thyroid hormone). Any thoughts with this?
  • How do I respectfully resolve my issue with the supplier mentioned above?

My apologies for the rambling. I truly appreciate all this board has given me. Thanks again for your time.
 
bro welcome to evo family...congratulations you have made the longest 1st post in evo history...
 
Welcome to EVO, nice intro....and may I add you should put the source that took your money on blast here. Helps other member's not make the same mistake. We look out for eachother.
 
Welcome to Evo !
Yes, if you are going to do HGH, you need to be doing Pharma-Grade T-4 with it.
I've posted on this several times.
But basically, what you need going on is the T-4/T-3 Conversion to make the most of your HGH............................................ JP
 
Wow! I'm humbled by the warm welcome!

Thank you JP for the feedback re: thyroxine and HGH - I'll square that away prior to starting...I've still trying to concoct the optimum way to run the HGH

Oh, I should have mentioned that I had bloodwork prior to starting this cycle and my Total Test was in the 700s, Free Test was in the high normal range, but IGF-1 was in the low normal range! LH/FSH were all OK. Bottom line, I don't think I'll be a blaster/cruiser since my axis was intact prior to all of this, but I am conflicted in terms of running the HGH without AAS. I'm planning on continuing my cycle for another 8 weeks.

Other issues this cycle has been sensitive nips. Basically, I have never had a problem with sensitive nipples in my 20s, but starting the third week of this cycle with just moderate dose test, my nips started getting sensitive. My plan was to avoid the AI initially since my E2 was low normal on my initial blood work, but I had RUI liquid exemestane on standby just in case and I have been running 6.25 daily and it abolished the sensitive nipples in short order. I think my older age has predisposed me to gyno, even though I had never had issues in the past.

@ m_groove: thanks for the feedback - I agree with sharing the info regarding getting scammed. I'm still trying to give the source the benefit of the doubt, but I've submitted multiple complaints, receipts, moneygram transaction reports, etc. and they are balking. It was not a small transaction either.

Let me at least give positive feedback first to a source that has been outstanding for me
-- Domestic supply has been friggin awesome. I've made 3 small (just enough to meet their minimum order) and they have always been on point.
-- Communication has been top notch and deliveries have been fast.
-- As I stated earlier and I am sure everyone knows: Pharmacom anavar is the truth
-- I've been running the pharacom trenA, but they are most recently out of stock, so my plan is to switch to trenE since I am tolerating the short ester well (so I'll be doing trenE soon with PRN androxine!!)

Thanks again for all of the support brothers and please feel free to critique my plan since my cycle, although planned, has not been the most systematic.
 
I got you zenfudge hope it ends up working out for you & you get your package . ;) we are all here to help when we can.
 
Welcome to Evolutionary. And Ultimate Orange was the shit!

A guy that used to be involved with HGH production (and he used it for years) told me that he used sterile water because it is the gentlest working with the very fragile HGH. Bacteriostatic might be preferred with some of the generics since they might contain more bacteria. My "knowledge" is based only on this one conversation. So you might get something much more useful than what I said.

And I've used HGH solo and got good results. The fact that you're old enough to have used Ultimate Orange suggests you'll probably get good results too.

We should actually start using that as the litmus test to see if someone should use HGH.
 
Thank you for the well-wishing m_groove regarding this package fiasco - I'll keep you guys posted

@ chitown - thanks for the feedback regarding the sterile vs bacteriostatic issue. I found an interesting pdf from Serono, the makers of serostim and what is interesting is that they make 4 mg, 5 mg, and 6 mg (12IU, 15IU, and 18IU) vials and they all contain somatropin, sucrose, and phosphoric acid. However, the 4 mg vials are "multi-dose" and come with bacteriostatic water and the 6 mg are for single use only. I've seen on some HIV boards there being some controversy about this since essentially, patients have to throw away GH if they don't tolerate the dose (i.e. the daily dose of serostim for AIDS is 18IU daily). I read a blog somewhere that was basically stating that this is just a ploy for Serono to make more money. I don't know what to believe, but I thank you for sharing your experience from your friend.

If you don't mind me asking chitown, what results did you get running the HGH solo? How much were you running? I totally agree with the Ultimate Orange prerequisite lolol. That stuff was the shit.
 
gearhead said:
bro welcome to evo family...congratulations you have made the longest 1st post in evo history...
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Totally agree.

Regarding T3 use - I would abstain myself from it, and opt for SARMs in order to get ripped.
 
I have procured some HGH and plan on doing long-term (as long as I can afford it) low-dose (2-3IU) daily - the product is seriatim
3iu would be the bare minimum to see noticeable results. Most guys run 3-4 long term.

What is the consensus on the damn bacteriostatic vs sterile water? Has anybody here run serostim with just the sterile water and had good results?
It's basically the same thing. Sterile water will keep the peptide stable for slightly longer but not enough to make any difference. HGH will remain stable in sterile water for up to 20 days after reconstituting.

Should I extend my AAS longer since I am about to start the GH? I plan on running the GH solo after my PCT, but is that a waste?
GH solo is never a waste. It's good for your pct because it'll keep you lean and help you hold onto all the gains you made during your cycle. Don't change your current plan.

I will not run insulin since I do not want to gain anymore weight, but should I run T3 or T4 with the GH (I'm reading that GH is inhibitory to thyroid hormone). Any thoughts with this?
Yes. GH surprises the amount of T4 your body produces. Supplement with T4.

How do I respectfully resolve my issue with the supplier mentioned above?
Can't help you with this one bud, sorry.
 
muskate said:
I have procured some HGH and plan on doing long-term (as long as I can afford it) low-dose (2-3IU) daily - the product is seriatim
3iu would be the bare minimum to see noticeable results. Most guys run 3-4 long term.

What is the consensus on the damn bacteriostatic vs sterile water? Has anybody here run serostim with just the sterile water and had good results?
It's basically the same thing. Sterile water will keep the peptide stable for slightly longer but not enough to make any difference. HGH will remain stable in sterile water for up to 20 days after reconstituting.

Should I extend my AAS longer since I am about to start the GH? I plan on running the GH solo after my PCT, but is that a waste?
GH solo is never a waste. It's good for your pct because it'll keep you lean and help you hold onto all the gains you made during your cycle. Don't change your current plan.

I will not run insulin since I do not want to gain anymore weight, but should I run T3 or T4 with the GH (I'm reading that GH is inhibitory to thyroid hormone). Any thoughts with this?
Yes. GH surprises the amount of T4 your body produces. Supplement with T4.

How do I respectfully resolve my issue with the supplier mentioned above?
Can't help you with this one bud, sorry.
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Thanks! This is super helpful! It is kind of strange, but in a weird way I am kind of looking forward to running the GH without anything else. I love how I feel in the gym on my current cycle, but the mass I have put on is actually starting to get a little uncomfortable at work. I forgot what it was like to be "big" and although the attention can be addicting, it is a bit harder to get up the damn stairs at work.

Now to seek some synthroid...
 
Zenfudge said:
Thanks! This is super helpful! It is kind of strange, but in a weird way I am kind of looking forward to running the GH without anything else. I love how I feel in the gym on my current cycle, but the mass I have put on is actually starting to get a little uncomfortable at work. I forgot what it was like to be "big" and although the attention can be addicting, it is a bit harder to get up the damn stairs at work.

Now to seek some synthroid...
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Glad to help buddy. Don't be shy to hit me up if you have any more questions
 
chitown said:
Welcome to Evolutionary. And Ultimate Orange was the shit!

A guy that used to be involved with HGH production (and he used it for years) told me that he used sterile water because it is the gentlest working with the very fragile HGH. Bacteriostatic might be preferred with some of the generics since they might contain more bacteria. My "knowledge" is based only on this one conversation. So you might get something much more useful than what I said.

And I've used HGH solo and got good results. The fact that you're old enough to have used Ultimate Orange suggests you'll probably get good results too.

We should actually start using that as the litmus test to see if someone should use HGH.
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I agree!! Ulitmate Orange was the shit!! Use to mix it with diet mountain dew...that was the REAL pre workout drink!!

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Someone needs to mix up some UGL Ultimate orange! Id buy it!

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Zenfudge said:
Thank you for the well-wishing m_groove regarding this package fiasco - I'll keep you guys posted

@ chitown - thanks for the feedback regarding the sterile vs bacteriostatic issue. I found an interesting pdf from Serono, the makers of serostim and what is interesting is that they make 4 mg, 5 mg, and 6 mg (12IU, 15IU, and 18IU) vials and they all contain somatropin, sucrose, and phosphoric acid. However, the 4 mg vials are "multi-dose" and come with bacteriostatic water and the 6 mg are for single use only. I've seen on some HIV boards there being some controversy about this since essentially, patients have to throw away GH if they don't tolerate the dose (i.e. the daily dose of serostim for AIDS is 18IU daily). I read a blog somewhere that was basically stating that this is just a ploy for Serono to make more money. I don't know what to believe, but I thank you for sharing your experience from your friend.

If you don't mind me asking chitown, what results did you get running the HGH solo? How much were you running? I totally agree with the Ultimate Orange prerequisite lolol. That stuff was the shit.
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I ran HGH solo for just 4 months. It was generic and 4iu/day. I didn't have any sides, just a little bit of water retention.

And I didn't really measure any results, other than lost 3 inches on my waist and put on about 10 pounds. I peed out about 2 of those pounds when I got off, kept the rest of the gains. Not sure what that equates to - maybe 10-15 pounds of muscle, lost about 10 pounds of fat (whatever 3" on the waist means).

Now that was after not taking any gear or anything for a few years. And I was coming off some big injuries too. So my body may have been ready for the progress.

I'm not the guy to ask about HGH after a cycle. But I wonder how much impact you'll feel relative to the test and tren. What you're doing all makes sense to me though. Good luck...
 
Hi guys,

Thanks for the detailed feedback. So awesome that you all know about Ultimate Orange!

@ Chitown 0- thank you for sharing your experience running HGH solo. It sounds like you got some incredible results! Like you, I hadn't taken gear for a while either. It is great to have open and willing receptors, but alas, all good things must come to end (or at least slow down). My gains are expectedly slowing down a bit - I'm now hoping to refine some of this weight I put on.

I'm 4 days into starting serostim 4IU daily (2IU + 2IU). Definitely felt tired the first 3 days and puffed up like a marshmallow by the 3rd day. It was kind of unexpected and today the water has dissipated a bit. Even my roommate noticed since my face was so damn puffy. I literally put on 4 lbs in 4 days (and not good weight either). I was taking naps a lot and generally feeling rundown, but now I feel better.

I'm also having second thoughts about running Tren - I was tolerating it at first, but in general I don't feel great on it anymore. Don't get me wrong, I like the results, but I was having just as good of workouts on the pharmacom Var, but I was not having the sweating and overall shit feeling I have been having the last week. Anyway, just putting it out there - it's tough to stay systematic on a cycle when there are multiple compounds at play, but I can at least now say I know what Var feels like and I know what Tren feels like. I've been toying with all kinds of possible scenarios - including dropping everything but test and GH for both health and financial reasons.

Also, I will say that I have effectively exhausted every possible avenue in trying to deal with this particular company that has taken advantage of me to the tune of several hundred dollars. I've been respectful, sent them scanned receipts, and even proof from moneygram transaction that shows the time and date that their company picked up the funds.

Mods, feel free to censor me, boot me off, or if you have pity for a regular hard working bro that lost a month's rent overseas, feel free to help. If there is a rep from Napsgear here, I'd like to speak with them.
 
bro we dont censor ppl...and i dont know if we even got naps reps here...have you hit naps up direct?
 
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