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Hey guys, rehabbing from reconstructive shoulder surgery, and want to play my last year of semi-pro football. When I have total ROM back and am ready to build muscle I was thinking of using this stack. It is my first time, so I am a little nervous, but have done extensive research (within my peer group not youtube!). My nutrition and exercise is on point, and I am hoping this will peel back the clock a bit and give me some more explosive speed and strength. I already have everything, but was hoping for some well informed and constructive opinions.

2 x Induject 250 (Sustanon) 10 ml, 250 mg/ml (500 mg per week)
2 x Nandrobolin 250 (Deca) 10 ml, 250 mg/ml (300mg per week)
1 x Rexobol 50 (Stanozol/Winstrol) 50 x 50 mg (50mg per day)
1 x Anazole (Arimidex) Alpha Pharma 30 x 1 mg (.5mg every other day...will go to every day if needed)
PCT (Post Cycle Therapy)
1 x Altamofen (Nolvadex) Alpha Pharma 50 x 20 mg (This will start higher and end lower...will explain if we move forward)
1 x Promifen (Clomid) Alpha Pharma 50 x 50 mg (Same goes with this as the above Nolvadex)

This is all supposed to be Alpha Pharma btw

Thanks in advance IMAG1030.webp
 
bro alpha pharma comes in amps...if those are alpha pharma vials you are a victim of another FAKE alpha pharma...99% of the alpha pharma out there is fake now...
 
gearhead said:
bro alpha pharma comes in amps...if those are alpha pharma vials you are a victim of another FAKE alpha pharma...99% of the alpha pharma out there is fake now...
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I hope not, is it a good sign that they came sealed in original vacuum sealed packaging?
 
gearhead said:
bro alpha pharma comes in amps...if those are alpha pharma vials you are a victim of another FAKE alpha pharma...99% of the alpha pharma out there is fake now...
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The Alpha Pharma site has the 10ml vials for sale on their site, it really looks legit...Vials match up perfectly, caps sealed, and came in grey vacuum sealed packaging.
 
Robierob77 said:
No problem, by chance do alpha pharma vials have an authentication code that can be checked on alpha pharmas website?
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The vials have a batch number, however the authentification code and serial are on the boxes, which I dont have access to but was shown pictures of. it gave me extra confidence that they were in grey vaccuum sealed containers and not just loose vials.
 
Looks good to me, except maybe the Winny, which has the potential to ruin your joints. Some of it should be counteracted by the lubricating effect of Deca, but it depends what you're willing to risk.
 
Peptidoglycan said:
Looks good to me, except maybe the Winny, which has the potential to ruin your joints. Some of it should be counteracted by the lubricating effect of Deca, but it depends what you're willing to risk.
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I will primarily be blasting my lower body, as I am looking to build my explosive speed, and jumping ability. My upper body is pretty solid, and will not be training my "shoulder area" hard. I am hoping to just turn back the clock a little with this cycle, nothing crazy like bulking 30lbs or anything like that, just pure performance gains. 40yrd time etc. That in conjuntion with regular bloods with my GP, I will be training hard but smart, and am aware that there is a risk of overdeveloping my shoulder muscles faster than the tendons and joint can keep up.
 
Peptidoglycan said:
Looks good to me, except maybe the Winny, which has the potential to ruin your joints. Some of it should be counteracted by the lubricating effect of Deca, but it depends what you're willing to risk.
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Srry i forgot to mention that the winny will be added in only in the last 6 weeks of the cycle, to aid in the cutting. Does that make a difference in your assessment? Srry for bugging you!
 
And you say that this is your 1st Cycle ?
That's a lot for a 1st.

Since you have Deca in the Mix, I would advise you getting some Aromasin.
It'll control your E-2 better, which is Extremely Important with Deca.
Estrogen gets out of control, then you get Progesterone Sides, then you get Deca-Dick........................................ JP
 
jp4355 said:
And you say that this is your 1st Cycle ?
That's a lot for a 1st.

Since you have Deca in the Mix, I would advise you getting some Aromasin.
It'll control your E-2 better, which is Extremely Important with Deca.
Estrogen gets out of control, then you get Progesterone Sides, then you get Deca-Dick........................................ JP
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Do you think that is a lot of test, or just a lot in general? And you don't think that the clomid,and nolvadex wont cover my pct? I was planning on taking arimidex during the cycle to prevent the gyno etc, and cut it before I start my PCT as arimidex and nolvadex cancel each other out.
 
J. Miles said:
Do you think that is a lot of test, or just a lot in general? And you don't think that the clomid,and nolvadex wont cover my pct? I was planning on taking arimidex during the cycle to prevent the gyno etc, and cut it before I start my PCT as arimidex and nolvadex cancel each other out.
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I like the amount of Test @ 500 Mg a week in a 2 x a week injection schedule.

My concern is that you're new to AAS and any 19-Nor (Deca or Tren), is not something I would recommend for the 1st time out.
You already have 1 compound that Aromatizes (test), and then you add Deca, and while it's true that it doesn't aromatize to the degree that Test does.
It has Progesterone Side Effects, which may complicate the matter.

Not really concerned with the Injectable Winny, other than possible Joint Issues.
But because it's the Injectable, as long as you keep the Dosage down, you may not get the same Joint Issues the Pills can give.
At least it' been my Experience with the No-Ester Injectable Winny (I can't take the pills).
I would start the Rexogin @ 25 Mg a day, if you tolerate it well for the 1st week, then Increase it to 50 Mg........................... JP
P.S.
I would Recommend getting Blood work done as Follows.
Pre-Cycle ~ for Baseline
Mid-Cycle ~ to check Hormone Levels and any possible problems.
Post-Cycle ~ 4 to 6 Weeks after finishing PCT - to see if you have returned to Baseline or are Close/no Lingering Problems.
P.S.S.
That's another reason that I recommend the Aromasin.
Since it's your 1st Cycle, you have No Idea how your body will deal with the Spike in Estrogen.
If needed, you can run Aromasin during PCT.
 
jp4355 said:
I like the amount of Test @ 500 Mg a week in a 2 x a week injection schedule.

My concern is that you're new to AAS and any 19-Nor (Deca or Tren), is not something I would recommend for the 1st time out.
You already have 1 compound that Aromatizes (test), and then you add Deca, and while it's true that it doesn't aromatize to the degree that Test does.
It has Progesterone Side Effects, which may complicate the matter.

Not really concerned with the Injectable Winny, other than possible Joint Issues.
But because it's the Injectable, as long as you keep the Dosage down, you may not get the same Joint Issues the Pills can give.
At least it' been my Experience with the No-Ester Injectable Winny (I can't take the pills).
I would start the Rexogin @ 25 Mg a day, if you tolerate it well for the 1st week, then Increase it to 50 Mg........................... JP
P.S.
I would Recommend getting Blood work done as Follows.
Pre-Cycle ~ for Baseline
Mid-Cycle ~ to check Hormone Levels and any possible problems.
Post-Cycle ~ 4 to 6 Weeks after finishing PCT - to see if you have returned to Baseline or are Close/no Lingering Problems.
P.S.S.
That's another reason that I recommend the Aromasin.
Since it's your 1st Cycle, you have No Idea how your body will deal with the Spike in Estrogen.
If needed, you can run Aromasin during PCT.
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Thank you so much, The winny (rexogin) will actually be in pill form and would start at the 4th week of this 10 week cycle. Are you suggesting that I take the aromasin during the cycle?

I appreciate your time and input
 
jp4355 said:
I like the amount of Test @ 500 Mg a week in a 2 x a week injection schedule.

My concern is that you're new to AAS and any 19-Nor (Deca or Tren), is not something I would recommend for the 1st time out.
You already have 1 compound that Aromatizes (test), and then you add Deca, and while it's true that it doesn't aromatize to the degree that Test does.
It has Progesterone Side Effects, which may complicate the matter.

Not really concerned with the Injectable Winny, other than possible Joint Issues.
But because it's the Injectable, as long as you keep the Dosage down, you may not get the same Joint Issues the Pills can give.
At least it' been my Experience with the No-Ester Injectable Winny (I can't take the pills).
I would start the Rexogin @ 25 Mg a day, if you tolerate it well for the 1st week, then Increase it to 50 Mg........................... JP
P.S.
I would Recommend getting Blood work done as Follows.
Pre-Cycle ~ for Baseline
Mid-Cycle ~ to check Hormone Levels and any possible problems.
Post-Cycle ~ 4 to 6 Weeks after finishing PCT - to see if you have returned to Baseline or are Close/no Lingering Problems.
P.S.S.
That's another reason that I recommend the Aromasin.
Since it's your 1st Cycle, you have No Idea how your body will deal with the Spike in Estrogen.
If needed, you can run Aromasin during PCT.
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Srry, for the double response, but when you say blood work, what panels are you specifically talking about. I want to know what i should request from my GP
 
Welcome brother. On a first cycle, I would definitely do a simple cycle. You don't know how your body will react. If it was me I would do test e or c at 500 mgs a week. With or without a kick start oral. Use aromasin for the entire cycle and do the EVO Perfect PCT. I would drop the rest of the stuff. With your diet and training in check. You should have great results
 
Smokey McPot said:
Welcome brother. On a first cycle, I would definitely do a simple cycle. You don't know how your body will react. If it was me I would do test e or c at 500 mgs a week. With or without a kick start oral. Use aromasin for the entire cycle and do the EVO Perfect PCT. I would drop the rest of the stuff. With your diet and training in check. You should have great results
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My problem is that, I already have all the gear, and dont know if i can safely get the aromasin...

Do you think that I am overloading my body with a stack like the one that I laid out?

I run 5 miles a day, work a strict strict diet with my macros in order, and I weight train 5 sometimes 6 days a week.
 
You should definitely keep it simple on your first cycle. If you already have all the gear than drop the deca on this cycle and use it on a later cycle. Use the dex (IMO aromasin is better) it'll be fine. If it was me I would also drop the winny. Winny is tough on your joints. Take liver support and follow the perfect PCT. With your strict diet and training you'll see great results
 
Smokey McPot said:
You should definitely keep it simple on your first cycle. If you already have all the gear than drop the deca on this cycle and use it on a later cycle. Use the dex (IMO aromasin is better) it'll be fine. If it was me I would also drop the winny. Winny is tough on your joints. Take liver support and follow the perfect PCT. With your strict diet and training you'll see great results
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Thanks for the input, I have a lot to think of, there is no ****, as I still need to build up my shoulder before i am ready to start the cycle.
 
J. Miles said:
Thank you so much, The winny (rexogin) will actually be in pill form and would start at the 4th week of this 10 week cycle. Are you suggesting that I take the aromasin during the cycle?

I appreciate your time and input
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I was looking at the Picture that you posted, in the Pic, the Rexogin is an Ampule.
Isn't this a Picture of the Items you purchased ?

I would do the Winny at the end of the Cycle for the Last 4 Weeks.
It will give you Good Muscle Hardness and Dry you up, removing some Subcutaneous Water from beneath the Skin.

Yes, start the Aromasin in the Beginning of the Cycle, and if needed into PCT.......................... JP
P.S.
This is a starting dosage for the Aromasin - 12.5 Mg. EOD.
You may need to adjust the Dose as everyone is different.
 
J. Miles said:
Srry, for the double response, but when you say blood work, what panels are you specifically talking about. I want to know what i should request from my GP
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OK, for the Blood Work for your Baseline (Pre-Cycle) and Post-Cycle.
You can go with the Female Hormone Test from PrivateMDLabs.com.
This is what it includes.

Estradiol - Serum
Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
Luteinizing Hormone (LH)
Testosterone - Serum
Complete Blood Count (CBC)
Comprehensive Metabolic Pane

For the Mid-Cycle I would add the Following Test to the Female Hormone Test
Testosterone - Total - LC/MS-MS

The reason being is the Total Test in the Female Panel tops out at 1,500 Ng/Dl.
The LC/MS-MS has no top, so you will be able to see the quality of the Test you're doing.......................... JP

Post Edit:
You can use any Lab that's convenient for you.
 
jp4355 said:
I was looking at the Picture that you posted, in the Pic, the Rexogin is an Ampule.
Isn't this a Picture of the Items you purchased ?

I would do the Winny at the end of the Cycle for the Last 4 Weeks.
It will give you Good Muscle Hardness and Dry you up, removing some Subcutaneous Water from beneath the Skin.

Yes, start the Aromasin in the Beginning of the Cycle, and if needed into PCT.......................... JP
P.S.
This is a starting dosage for the Aromasin - 12.5 Mg. EOD.
You may need to adjust the Dose as everyone is different.
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The rexogin was in a vial, but was not the right amount, and was sent erroniously, my supplier is sending me the oral winny as we speak. Srry for the confusion
 
J. Miles said:
The rexogin was in a vial, but was not the right amount, and was sent erroniously, my supplier is sending me the oral winny as we speak. Srry for the confusion
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If you're keeping the Vial, I would do that 1st.
I have Joint Issues and can no longer do Winny in Pill form.

But I was sent some Injectable Winny and tried it, it doesn't bother my Joints.
Only thing that I can figure is it doesn't need to Pass through the Liver and be activated via Liver Enzymes....................... JP
P.S.
Still trying to find out if my Premise is correct, I've got some Guys more knowledgeable than me looking into this.
You know the Guys with 2 and 3 Letters after their names, like MD & PhD.
 
jp4355 said:
If you're keeping the Vial, I would do that 1st.
I have Joint Issues and can no longer do Winny in Pill form.

But I was sent some Injectable Winny and tried it, it doesn't bother my Joints.
Only thing that I can figure is it doesn't need to Pass through the Liver and be activated via Liver Enzymes....................... JP
P.S.
Still trying to find out if my Premise is correct, I've got some Guys more knowledgeable than me looking into this.
You know the Guys with 2 and 3 Letters after their names, like MD & PhD.
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Hey I hear ya, most guys dont even need those 2 or 3 letters to be more knowledgable than me... eyes and ears open I always say ;)
 
If you had some recent injuries, and on top of that you are going to take winny, I would highly suggest using ostarine + N2joints rx. They are awesome for injury healing, and keeping the joints sane. Try it out, and you won't regret it. At least I did not, since they saved my elbows, which were hurting for years, and nothing could heal them.
 
LevButlerov said:
If you had some recent injuries, and on top of that you are going to take winny, I would highly suggest using ostarine + N2joints rx. They are awesome for injury healing, and keeping the joints sane. Try it out, and you won't regret it. At least I did not, since they saved my elbows, which were hurting for years, and nothing could heal them.
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Great advice from Lev. I would first start supplementing with ostarine + n2joint RX before hopping on a cycle.
 
J. Miles said:
Hey guys, rehabbing from reconstructive shoulder surgery, and want to play my last year of semi-pro football. When I have total ROM back and am ready to build muscle I was thinking of using this stack. It is my first time, so I am a little nervous, but have done extensive research (within my peer group not youtube!). My nutrition and exercise is on point, and I am hoping this will peel back the clock a bit and give me some more explosive speed and strength. I already have everything, but was hoping for some well informed and constructive opinions.

2 x Induject 250 (Sustanon) 10 ml, 250 mg/ml (500 mg per week)
2 x Nandrobolin 250 (Deca) 10 ml, 250 mg/ml (300mg per week)
1 x Rexobol 50 (Stanozol/Winstrol) 50 x 50 mg (50mg per day)
1 x Anazole (Arimidex) Alpha Pharma 30 x 1 mg (.5mg every other day...will go to every day if needed)
PCT (Post Cycle Therapy)
1 x Altamofen (Nolvadex) Alpha Pharma 50 x 20 mg (This will start higher and end lower...will explain if we move forward)
1 x Promifen (Clomid) Alpha Pharma 50 x 50 mg (Same goes with this as the above Nolvadex)

This is all supposed to be Alpha Pharma btw

Thanks in advanceView attachment 10813
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Your cycle is way too aggressive for a first cycle. Keep it simple for a first cycle. Being new to AAS -> you will grow like a weed. Try this out:

Weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
arimidex 0.5mg EOD or arimosan 12.5mg EOD (arimosan is better IMO)

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol throughout. http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

On top of your cycle, I would strongly suggest supplementing with n2joint rx and ostarine. Those two supplements will help immensely with your joint health and recovery.
 
muskate said:
Your cycle is way too aggressive for a first cycle. Keep it simple for a first cycle. Being new to AAS -> you will grow like a weed. Try this out:

Weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
arimidex 0.5mg EOD or arimosan 12.5mg EOD (arimosan is better IMO)

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol throughout. http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

On top of your cycle, I would strongly suggest supplementing with n2joint rx and ostarine. Those two supplements will help immensely with your joint health and recovery.
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I see where to get the ostarine, but do not see where I can obtain the n2joint rx... how does one use those compounds?
 
Winny after coming back from a joint injury seems like a recipe for disaster, as does a 19-nor your first cycle. Just run the test, leave the other stuff for the next cycle.
 
NastyNate said:
Winny after coming back from a joint injury seems like a recipe for disaster, as does a 19-nor your first cycle. Just run the test, leave the other stuff for the next cycle.
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It seems like a lot of you are suggesting the same thing. So I am thinking that I will just run the Test (sustanon 250) alone for my first cycle, and depending on how that goes, my second cycle can encorperate the rest, if my body handles the first cycle well.

Gonna order my osterine and Joint rx today
 
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