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I just heard Mr. Piana describe his craziest cycle ever and he confessed to only 800mg tren a week. I say "only" because the purpose of this thread is to put to rest the idiotic belief that one needs 1-2g of tren a week to be a monster.

Rest of stack:
2g test
2iu HGH every 2 hours (approximately 20)
300mg injectable anadrol





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JackSteel said:
I just heard Mr. Piana describe his craziest cycle ever and he confessed to only 800mg tren a week. I say "only" because the purpose of this thread is to put to rest the idiotic belief that one needs 1-2g of tren a week to be a monster.

Rest of stack:
2g test
2iu HGH every 2 hours (approximately 20)
300mg injectable anadrol





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Interesting...so he runs TEST that high? Its funny the broscience you hear from everyone. "MAKE SURE YOU RUN YOUR TREN AND TEST 2:1. i.e 400mg tren to 200mg test. and then you hear of all of the pros BLASTING the test while on tren. Hummmmm. I mean 2 grams of TEST! If Tren is supposed to overpower the Test than WTF?
 
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I just started a thread on that exact topic yesterday.
Everyones response was:
tren higher then test.


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Mateo123 said:
Interesting...so he runs TEST that high? Its funny the broscience you hear from everyone. "MAKE SURE YOU RUN YOUR TREN AND TEST 2:1. i.e 400mg tren to 200mg test. and then you hear of all of the pros BLASTING the test while on tren. Hummmmm. I mean 2 grams of TEST! If Tren is supposed to overpower the Tren than WTF?
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Usually test is lowered as competition time approaches, and tren is increased. But to keep a full look, a high dose of test can be blasted during this time, it's true. Another thing done is after getting to the 4-5% body fat, using tren, mast, winny, and very little or no test, a compound like anadrol may be used to get the full look while still staying at the desired body fat.
 
ceo said:
Usually test is lowered as competition time approaches, and tren is increased. But to keep a full look, a high dose of test can be blasted during this time, it's true. Another thing done is after getting to the 4-5% body fat, using tren, mast, winny, and very little or no test, a compound like anadrol may be used to get the full look while still staying at the desired body fat.
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What type of FULL look does Anadrol give you that TEST would not? Or I guess my question is, does Anadrol fill you out with not lossing your definition....as you would on TEST?
 
ceo said:
Usually test is lowered as competition time approaches, and tren is increased. But to keep a full look, a high dose of test can be blasted during this time, it's true. Another thing done is after getting to the 4-5% body fat, using tren, mast, winny, and very little or no test, a compound like anadrol may be used to get the full look while still staying at the desired body fat.
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Sounds like you read my thread about contest prep. Yes, Anadrol saves the day. And no, I don't always run test up to the stage. If I feel even the hint of puffiness, I'll drop the suspension, and stay on the masteron, winny, halo, proviron, arimidex, and of course, dyazide.
When gaining, yes, I'll often run 5 amps/week sust, cyp, or enan with my other goodies.
 
Narko514 said:
holy fuck 300mg inject adrol lmao. thats rediculous
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I don't even go that far. 150mg/day is my max while gaining. When cutting, I'll only need 50mg/day. And as for GH, I'll run 6iu's day 7 days/week. Receptor grade IGF on workout days as well. This sure isn't a cheap sport by any stretch of the imagination!
 
devildog said:
Sounds like you read my thread about contest prep. Yes, Anadrol saves the day. And no, I don't always run test up to the stage. If I feel even the hint of puffiness, I'll drop the suspension, and stay on the masteron, winny, halo, proviron, arimidex, and of course, dyazide.
When gaining, yes, I'll often run 5 amps/week sust, cyp, or enan with my other goodies.
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So how long (generally speaking) does it take for the "PUFFINESS" from the test to subside....say from Sust?
 
devildog said:
I don't even go that far. 150mg/day is my max while gaining. When cutting, I'll only need 50mg/day. And as for GH, I'll run 6iu's day 7 days/week. Receptor grade IGF on workout days as well. This sure isn't a cheap sport by any stretch of the imagination!
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No kidding. I only did Adrol once at 50mg oral. Strength increase was ridiculous and I was getting nosebleeds almost every max rep deadlift I would do. Shit I would even start getting a nosebleed for no reason on the couch, that shit is potent as fuck.
 
devildog said:
Sounds like you read my thread about contest prep. Yes, Anadrol saves the day. And no, I don't always run test up to the stage. If I feel even the hint of puffiness, I'll drop the suspension, and stay on the masteron, winny, halo, proviron, arimidex, and of course, dyazide.
When gaining, yes, I'll often run 5 amps/week sust, cyp, or enan with my other goodies.
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BTW...DD...could you answer my question in #8:)
 
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So how long (generally speaking) does it take for the "PUFFINESS" from the test to subside....say from Sust?
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Good Lord! I NEVER use long esters before stepping on stage. WAY too unpredictable. As far as puffiness, it depends on what I've eaten, drank, and even what I've slept like. This thread will tell you what you need to know about myself personally: http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...those-who-compete-4523.html?highlight=compete
And I'm not done with that thread yet. I'll be getting deep into the diuretic I'll use, all the way to tanning, posing, etc.,
 
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Interesting...so he runs TEST that high? Its funny the broscience you hear from everyone. "MAKE SURE YOU RUN YOUR TREN AND TEST 2:1. i.e 400mg tren to 200mg test. and then you hear of all of the pros BLASTING the test while on tren. Hummmmm. I mean 2 grams of TEST! If Tren is supposed to overpower the Test than WTF?
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I think he said it was 15 years ago.....I am sure he would not do that now.....Live and learn
 
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I think he said it was 15 years ago.....I am sure he would not do that now.....Live and learn
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Yeah that's why he quit competing because it was bad on his health. Doesn't do GH anymore either and tries to stay away from tren but he loves it.


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Narko514 said:
I made an assumption that it's 300mg/day. I've heard of people doing that. 300mg/week would make more sense for most people.
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Seemed to me the way he said it that it was over a week, but I may have assumed that. I'll watch again


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ceo said:
of anadrol? Fuck, I'd say that's too little.
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True. But if it were over a long period it would build up a bit. Or maybe it wouldn't build up but for a year long cycle maybe he meant to do it low? It was for a Year. Forgot that part.
Said he gained 48lbs.


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JackSteel said:
True. But if it were over a long period it would build up a bit. Or maybe it wouldn't build up but for a year long cycle maybe he meant to do it low? It was for a Year. Forgot that part.
Said he gained 48lbs.


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hm, wonder if he stayed on constantly? If so, according to some gurus here, he'd be dead. So probably not, huh? :D

Hey check your PM!
 
ceo said:
hm, wonder if he stayed on constantly? If so, according to some gurus here, he'd be dead. So probably not, huh? :D

Hey check your PM!
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Good question. I'm sure he didn't want to go too into too much detail. I'd love to pick his brain in person.


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Mateo123 said:
So how long (generally speaking) does it take for the "PUFFINESS" from the test to subside....say from Sust?
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That's hard to answer, as you'd need to post how much you injected and when, what anti e your using, and the dose and duration; what you're eating, what diuretic you're using, if any, and yes, your water intake.
 
Mateo123 said:
What type of FULL look does Anadrol give you that TEST would not? Or I guess my question is, does Anadrol fill you out with not lossing your definition....as you would on TEST?
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Anadrol has an affinity for building blood like no other aas, hence keeps me full while carb depleted. Its also known for water retention, and i drop it out from show. Test aromatizes into estrogen, so there will be water held AROUND THE CELL water vs IN the cell water. HUGE difference! Any time water is retained, it's around the cells, and that blurs definition.
 
devildog said:
Anadrol has an affinity for building blood like no other aas, hence keeps me full while carb depleted. Its also known for water retention, and i drop it out from show. Test aromatizes into estrogen, so there will be water held AROUND THE CELL water vs IN the cell water. HUGE difference! Any time water is retained, it's around the cells, and that blurs definition.
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Devildog......that was by far the most educated answer I have ever heard for that question. That makes perfect sence. So....water IN THE CELL makes you look big and full without loosing definition. But...you made mention you drop that out for the show. Wouldnt you want to keep that FULL LOOK?
 
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Devildog......that was by far the most educated answer I have ever heard for that question. That makes perfect sence. So....water IN THE CELL makes you look big and full without loosing definition. But...you made mention you drop that out for the show. Wouldnt you want to keep that FULL LOOK?
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No. I drop anadrol from the show because it causes water retention, and water retention is water held outside of the muscle cell. The way to get water in the cell is through what you're eating and drinking, as well as what you're not eating and drinking. You'll find answere here towards the end of the thread: http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...those-who-compete-4523.html?highlight=compete
 
devildog said:
No. I drop anadrol from the show because it causes water retention, and water retention is water held outside of the muscle cell. The way to get water in the cell is through what you're eating and drinking, as well as what you're not eating and drinking. You'll find answere here towards the end of the thread: http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...those-who-compete-4523.html?highlight=compete
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So salt would actually hold intracellular water instead of... I'll call it extra cellular?


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JackSteel said:
So salt would actually hold intracellular water instead of... I'll call it extra cellular?


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NO! Sodium is one of the biggest causes of extra cellular water retention, which is why sodium is typically loaded and then cut back the final week to eliminate water retention from it
 
RickRock said:
NO! Sodium is one of the biggest causes of extra cellular water retention, which is why sodium is typically loaded and then cut back the final week to eliminate water retention from it
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Are you sure?.....I think it does BOTH. I think its all about the timing. I mean why would you load up with salt at all unless it allowed for that FULL LOOK? The problem is is that it also allows for water retention OUTSIDE the cell. By cutting sodium back two days before the show, it allows for the CONTINUED WATER RELEASE up till showtime. If sodium is cut back TOO EARLY though, a hormone called aldosterone kicks in and actually STARTS RETAINING WATER which defeats the purpose of what it is you are trying to do. Devildog correct me where I am wrong.:)
 
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Are you sure?.....I think it does BOTH. I think its all about the timing. I mean why would you load up with salt at all unless it allowed for that FULL LOOK? The problem is is that it also allows for water retention OUTSIDE the cell. By cutting sodium back two days before the show, it allows for the CONTINUED WATER RELEASE up till showtime. If sodium is cut back TOO EARLY though, a hormone called aldosterone kicks in and actually STARTS RETAINING WATER which defeats the purpose of what it is you are trying to do. Devildog correct me where I am wrong.:)
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You're over thinking this, and wrapping yourself around the flag pole. Rickrock game you the correct answer to your question. And yes, you're correct. Timing is everything here, and that's why I load sodium, then cut it out Thursday before Saturday. Aldersterone doesn't start affecting me until Monday, as Sunday I'll still look like some kind of freak. Lol
For some of you, I don't recommend carb depleting, or sodium manipulation, as unless you've done a few dry runs before, you could screw this up, and I'm not back stage with a pouch full of goodies to help. I learned what worked for me over 4-5 of my first shows. I suggest most do the same, and learn what works best for THEM. I lay out a protocol that when followed correctly, has me taking first most of the time. Even then, I may make minor adjustments according to what the mirrors say.
 
Mateo123 said:
Are you sure?.....I think it does BOTH. I think its all about the timing. I mean why would you load up with salt at all unless it allowed for that FULL LOOK? The problem is is that it also allows for water retention OUTSIDE the cell. By cutting sodium back two days before the show, it allows for the CONTINUED WATER RELEASE up till showtime. If sodium is cut back TOO EARLY though, a hormone called aldosterone kicks in and actually STARTS RETAINING WATER which defeats the purpose of what it is you are trying to do. Devildog correct me where I am wrong.:)
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Good shit bro! Loving this fact talk!


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devildog said:
You're over thinking this, and wrapping yourself around the flag pole. Rickrock game you the correct answer to your question. And yes, you're correct. Timing is everything here, and that's why I load sodium, then cut it out Thursday before Saturday. Aldersterone doesn't start affecting me until Monday, as Sunday I'll still look like some kind of freak. Lol
For some of you, I don't recommend carb depleting, or sodium manipulation, as unless you've done a few dry runs before, you could screw this up, and I'm not back stage with a pouch full of goodies to help. I learned what worked for me over 4-5 of my first shows. I suggest most do the same, and learn what works best for THEM. I lay out a protocol that when followed correctly, has me taking first most of the time. Even then, I may make minor adjustments according to what the mirrors say.
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More good shit!


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Drol just gives me nose bleeds if I DL heavy. But then again it gives them randomly sometimes.

I guess it raises my BP... Only reason I can think as to why these nose bleeds happen.
 
Redam said:
Drol just gives me nose bleeds if I DL heavy. But then again it gives them randomly sometimes.

I guess it raises my BP... Only reason I can think as to why these nose bleeds happen.
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That would be my guess as well. I think I've heard that from others before too. Thanks man. Headaches sound horrible to me which is why I haven't tried it yet. Is it worth it?


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I believe all the symptoms are due to going to high with drol which raises your BP. But I love it. I personally like dbol more but you can't go wrong with either
 
Redam said:
Drol just gives me nose bleeds if I DL heavy. But then again it gives them randomly sometimes.

I guess it raises my BP... Only reason I can think as to why these nose bleeds happen.
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Exact same thing with me. I would even get a random nosebleed at any given time but that only happened a couple times. I actually didn't get that bad of headaches and I didn't notice anything with my hunger.
 
Redam said:
I believe all the symptoms are due to going to high with drol which raises your BP. But I love it. I personally like dbol more but you can't go wrong with either
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Drols raise RBCs at an alarming rate, which causes more blood volume. Consequently, high BP and headaches become an issue.
 
Mateo123 said:
Interesting...so he runs TEST that high? Its funny the broscience you hear from everyone. "MAKE SURE YOU RUN YOUR TREN AND TEST 2:1. i.e 400mg tren to 200mg test. and then you hear of all of the pros BLASTING the test while on tren. Hummmmm. I mean 2 grams of TEST! If Tren is supposed to overpower the Test than WTF?
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Dude, you're comparing piana's genetics and decades of steroid use to the newbies on here that should probably be doing the low test protocol. Not everyone can get away with that shit lol
 
Ya rich is a beast bro. He goes all out some some of this cycles. When we all or must of us are only doing 500mg of test lol
 
Redam said:
Ya rich is a beast bro. He goes all out some some of this cycles. When we all or must of us are only doing 500mg of test lol
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I've never touched 500mg lol I've done like 350-400mg at the most. I wonder if I should try. Never felt the need really


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The highest I went was 650 because I bought BWL sus 325 at a good price haha

But I usually go 500 MAX
 
jbranken said:
Dude, you're comparing piana's genetics and decades of steroid use to the newbies on here that should probably be doing the low test protocol. Not everyone can get away with that shit lol
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No your right! My thinking was more along the lines of Tren being so much more Anabolic and Androgenic 500/500 as opposed to Test which is only 100/100. It would SEEM that Tren would definitely be the overpowering compound and that the only reason to even take ANY test is to avoid being suppressed while on cycle. However, some people feel a need to run TEST high.
 
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No your right! My thinking was more along the lines of Tren being so much more Anabolic and Androgenic 500/500 as opposed to Test which is only 100/100. It would SEEM that Tren would definitely be the overpowering compound and that the only reason to even take ANY test is to avoid being suppressed while on cycle. However, some people feel a need to run TEST high.
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Well, I suppose you could spin it around and just run 2g of tren and 800mg of test but that would be even worse because of how harsh tren is, not that 2g of test is much better lol.


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Mateo123 said:
No your right! My thinking was more along the lines of Tren being so much more Anabolic and Androgenic 500/500 as opposed to Test which is only 100/100. It would SEEM that Tren would definitely be the overpowering compound and that the only reason to even take ANY test is to avoid being suppressed while on cycle. However, some people feel a need to run TEST high.
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To keep from being suppressed?? How do you figure?


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jbranken said:
Well, I suppose you could spin it around and just run 2g of tren and 800mg of test but that would be even worse because of how harsh tren is, not that 2g of test is much better lol.


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HOLY SHIT!! Can you imagine. 2g of Tren...JESUS!.....I think you nailed it thou. It just dawned on me. You just can only run Tren so high.
 
JackSteel said:
I've never touched 500mg lol I've done like 350-400mg at the most. I wonder if I should try. Never felt the need really


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Same. This fall I was considering experimenting with a high test cycle. If I like it, I'll throw a fat dose of tren in with it and really have some fun lol. I hear it's the cat's meow but I don't do well with that much estrogen. I've had to kill gyno off before and I fear an a.i. wont do much in the presence of 750-1000mg of test lol, for me anyway. Should be fun though



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JackSteel said:
To keep from being suppressed?? How do you figure?


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Being on Tren by itself is going to suppress your normal T levels. In other words, you want to keep AT LEAST healthy Test levels flowing while your on cycle. Running Tren alone without at least a TRT dose of TEST could leave room for unwanted low TEST side effects.
 
Oh I gotcha. I thought you meant you wouldn't suppress natural test levels by using more test lol I was like umm no


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JackSteel said:
Oh I gotcha. I thought you meant you wouldn't suppress natural test levels by using more test lol I was like umm no


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Sadly, people still actually think that supplementing test temporarily is going to give their natural levels a "boost" LOL! Doctors have actually bought into that bs ol and prescribe it to people for 3-6 months then take them off! It's hilarious! And if you troll the other forums up a bit, you'll still see guys parroting that nonsense still. It's baffling
 
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Sadly, people still actually think that supplementing test temporarily is going to give their natural levels a "boost" LOL! Doctors have actually bought into that bs ol and prescribe it to people for 3-6 months then take them off! It's hilarious! And if you troll the other forums up a bit, you'll still see guys parroting that nonsense still. It's baffling
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That makes no sense at all. You suppress you personal test while supplementing inj test. So how would it boost I your natural test? Lol
 
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Fuck it let's just go balls to the wall and run 2g of test and 2g of tren? Who's down? Lol
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Hahahhaha.....you go first!!! I wonder how HIGH some people have run TREN? I wonder what would catch up with you first if you blasted 2g of TREN? Your lipids and overall health going to shit or the UNBEARABLE SIDES?
 
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Hahahhaha.....you go first!!! I wonder how HIGH some people have run TREN? I wonder what would catch up with you first if you blasted 2g of TREN? Your lipids and overall health going to shit or the UNBEARABLE SIDES?
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There was a guy who came to EF claiming to be pro or going for pro (dno) just to post his cycle for people to see what some guys were running. It was fucking retarded. 2200mg tren, 3G test, 30iu hgh ed, 30iu+ slin ed, and insane amounts of orals and other oils that I can't remember. This sounds much closer to cycles I've heard of top guys taking, hence why I think piana's cycle was child's play in comparison and I commend him for it, considering his size. He hasn't used hgh in like 15 years which is crazy to me
 
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Hahahhaha.....you go first!!! I wonder how HIGH some people have run TREN? I wonder what would catch up with you first if you blasted 2g of TREN? Your lipids and overall health going to shit or the UNBEARABLE SIDES?
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Saw a guy on UK muscle that claimed to run 2g of tren and he was an obvious dick and dumb as a bag of rocks. Total meat head


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jbranken said:
There was a guy who came to EF claiming to be pro or going for pro (dno) just to post his cycle for people to see what some guys were running. It was fucking retarded. 2200mg tren, 3G test, 30iu hgh ed, 30iu+ slin ed, and insane amounts of orals and other oils that I can't remember. This sounds much closer to cycles I've heard of top guys taking, hence why I think piana's cycle was child's play in comparison and I commend him for it, considering his size. He hasn't used hgh in like 15 years which is crazy to me
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30IU of hgh how do they stop tumors from developing?
 
All I gotta say is, it's rough for me getting to 500mg of tren.

I run 500mg tren and 250 mg test when I do use it. But I didn't even use tren this year.. I plan on using it either next September
 
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There was a guy who came to EF claiming to be pro or going for pro (dno) just to post his cycle for people to see what some guys were running. It was fucking retarded. 2200mg tren, 3G test, 30iu hgh ed, 30iu+ slin ed, and insane amounts of orals and other oils that I can't remember. This sounds much closer to cycles I've heard of top guys taking, hence why I think piana's cycle was child's play in comparison and I commend him for it, considering his size. He hasn't used hgh in like 15 years which is crazy to me
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Lol I agree! I was expecting him to lay out some crazy shit. His cycle was tiny compared to some of the dumb shit I've heard.


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Redam said:
That makes no sense at all. You suppress you personal test while supplementing inj test. So how would it boost I your natural test? Lol
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Misunderstanding. He meant do more test to keep from suffering from the lower natty levels.


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Redam said:
Drol just gives me nose bleeds if I DL heavy. But then again it gives them randomly sometimes.

I guess it raises my BP... Only reason I can think as to why these nose bleeds happen.
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Absolutely it raises your bp. Was once the "gold standard" for treating anemia. Do the math, and you'll see it's powerful, as well as toxic. High bp, elevated hemo, destroyed lipids, and escalated ALT and AST. Is a great compound for contest prep for me, but I only use Anadrol for a short time (4-5 weeks 50mg/day), to accomplish what I need to accomplish. Your nose bleeds come from bp, and elevated hemo levels on Anadrol.
 
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Absolutely it raises your bp. Was once the "gold standard" for treating anemia. Do the math, and you'll see it's powerful, as well as toxic. High bp, elevated hemo, destroyed lipids, and escalated ALT and AST. Is a great compound for contest prep for me, but I only use Anadrol for a short time (4-5 weeks 50mg/day), to accomplish what I need to accomplish. Your nose bleeds come from bp, and elevated hemo levels on Anadrol.
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Is it worth it?


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I've tried anadrol twice and only made it less than a week before my head felt like it was going to pop off


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Yeah I read the steroid profile and after watching Dylans video this morning I don't have any desire to touch the stuff. I believe dosing Tbol right with slow steady gains has got to be better than blowing up and dealing with all those sides.
 
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Yeah I read the steroid profile and after watching Dylans video this morning I don't have any desire to touch the stuff. I believe dosing Tbol right with slow steady gains has got to be better than blowing up and dealing with all those sides.
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Piana says in his vids he only takes off like 1-7 months at a time. Depending on what conventions he has to go to and his schedule. I watch all his YouTube vids.
 
Anadrol is some hella strong stuff. I love it, I won't ever take an oral of it again. It's soo bad for your liver. I also work in a very high stress environment. I get paid too good now to loose my cool. Anadrol makes ME CRAZY. The photo you see on my avatar I was on anadrol 50 and winni 50mg tabs, only one month.
 
I'm about 5 milliliters into injectable Anadrol and I have to say by far it is way more effective than oral anadrol ever was. I don't know how true it is about it being safer for your liver or easier on your liver but it is definitely stronger than the oral version
 
It's safer because it makes one pass thru the liver not 2 it's still toxic tho


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I used to run test higher than tren and got great results... I think this fall I'll do it again. Never gonna use those doses, not even quite half. Or the GH, can't afford it. Just some mk-677 or peptides. Hate drol, raised my BP, made me feel terrible after a week and I quit, never used it again. At 50mg/day for one week. Strangely, for orals, I get excellent results on very low doses, I never go above 20-25mg/day of winny for cutting and I'll try the same for dbol this fall to bulk. Also I use transdermal versions, they work great for me and also avoid the first pass effect like inj. orals do. Not as efficient as an injection, but god the results are still awesome for such a low dose and I don't aim to compete so why go higher? That dude is a mutant just to have considered that cycle... and if it had GH in it, that long ago, how much did it COST him back before generics??
 
No. No ester. I take ml every day so 50mgs. And that quick my weights jumped up. At first felt a little shifty from sides. Like no appetite . but now I'm into 2nd of 5 10ml bottles. Crazy appetite . super crazy strength and I'm 13 lbs up. Taking letrozole for ai. So far I love it......also running test e. Decca. And tbol.
 
I felt really bad when I took superdrol. isn't superdrol the same thing is Anadrol
 
No it's a form of drostenolone prop. Matherstenolone I think. All you gotta do is make it through the bad sides for a week or so then they subside a bit. Or get worse. Then you know what you need to do. Keep going or stop . I kept going with the injectable drol and wow.....I love it other than daily pins. That sucks.
 
My shoulder press jumped almost overnight it seemed from 225 for 6 to 8.......to 275 for a somewhat easy 6 with no help........on Smith machine
 
I was thinking bout trying sdrol myself. Then I read it was once a prohormone? So I figured I would just do the tried and true......but never tried injectable drol.
 
No....Injectable anadrol. All ad50 I've ever taken until now was oral. The sides were much worse. Bloat as well. Have you ever done anadrol 50?
 
craig.christmas2 said:
No. No ester. I take ml every day so 50mgs. And that quick my weights jumped up. At first felt a little shifty from sides. Like no appetite . but now I'm into 2nd of 5 10ml bottles. Crazy appetite . super crazy strength and I'm 13 lbs up. Taking letrozole for ai. So far I love it......also running test e. Decca. And tbol.
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Cool that's what I meant to say. Or rather short acting. An enanthate ester I think would be fucking sweet.
 
What's the craziest cycle everyone else has ran?
 
I'm on it now....lol....and I'm 38. I think I was always a little hesitent when I was younger...but I'm older and smarter and have done many cycles. Here it is.
Test e......start at 500 up to 1000mgs now.
Injectable anadrol......75mg a day.
Nandrolone decorate.....600mgs a day.
Turanabol .....80mgs ed.
And I have tren a .......eq250.......and Anavar on stand by to switch around in there
 
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