test prop dosing to end test e

[channah06]

hey so on my first cycle of test e at 500mg/week. have noticed that people have recommended ending with prop to make pct and recovery easier. was planning on 12 week cycle, but if i end with prop should i just extend and use prop weeks 13 and 14? or should i start the prop 11-12? also read to take a week off between the E and P?

option 1:
test e 500mg: week 1-10
prop 150 EOD: week 11-12 or 12-13

option 2:
test e 500mg: week 1-12
prop 150 EOD: week 13-14 or 14-15

 

[muskate]

You are really over thinking things. Just use test e for your entire cycle for 12 weeks.

Immediately after your last injection, start HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com at 5 capsules/day.

2 weeks after your last injection, start the rest of your PCT drugs (clomid, nolvadex, aromasin, cardarine and gw). The 2 week delay allows enough time to let the majority of the steroid users to clear out of your system.

The perfect PCT protocol outlines it all: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[channah06]

You are really over thinking things. Just use test e for your entire cycle for 12 weeks.

Immediately after your last injection, start HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com at 5 capsules/day.

2 weeks after your last injection, start the rest of your PCT drugs (clomid, nolvadex, aromasin, cardarine and gw). The 2 week delay allows enough time to let the majority of the steroid users to clear out of your system.

The perfect PCT protocol outlines it all: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

haha ya i tend to over research and think everything. ill stick with what you said. thanks bro

 

[Jay Scott]

hey so on my first cycle of test e at 500mg/week. have noticed that people have recommended ending with prop to make pct and recovery easier. was planning on 12 week cycle, but if i end with prop should i just extend and use prop weeks 13 and 14? or should i start the prop 11-12? also read to take a week off between the E and P?

option 1:
test e 500mg: week 1-10
prop 150 EOD: week 11-12 or 12-13

option 2:
test e 500mg: week 1-12
prop 150 EOD: week 13-14 or 14-15

I would go with option 2 - mainly due to longer period of possible growth with test

 

[LevButlerov]

You are overcomplicating things here, and there will be no real benefits to finishing the cycle with testosterone propionate. Therefore, just use the enanthate all along, and you will be just fine. Keep things simple, and everything will be alright.

 

[channah06]

You are overcomplicating things here, and there will be no real benefits to finishing the cycle with testosterone propionate. Therefore, just use the enanthate all along, and you will be just fine. Keep things simple, and everything will be alright.

i was jusg reading its easier to bounce back and a smoother pct. ill keep it simple like you said, maybe experiment later on with other cycles. thanks!

 

[stevesmi]

i was jusg reading its easier to bounce back and a smoother pct. ill keep it simple like you said, maybe experiment later on with other cycles. thanks!

this is true, the shorter ester will clear out of your body faster. if this is your concern then simply use prop from day 1 for 8 weeks.

avoid longer acting esters.. however over time I promise you that the injections will get old.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I agree with the above. Just run the test E for the full cycle and do a proper pct after. You will be 2 weeks after your last injection before introducing SERMS to the equation. HCGenerate is a great product to run for the 2 weeks prior to that.

 

[nvr2lt]

There is a question that needs to be asked, are you doing a front load on this cycle? If so, i think the theory is to stop the Test E for the last week and just do the prop for the last week. With a front load your getting more benefit from the beginning from the front load of Test E. Therefore, the Test E doesn't need to run the last week because your wanting it to clear your system for easier PCT after. That's the whole concept behind that type of cycle. Hope this helps.

 

[nvr2lt]

I guess I really worded that bad. With a front load of the Test E, it won't take as long to build up in your system. Not that there's more benefit.

 

[Grillmaster78]

IMO there is no need nor benefit to doing what you propose. Just take the test that your currently taking for your cycle, then when your coming off cycle just base your PCT schedule from what you were taking.

Meaning if your taking test E then start it 10-14 days after last injection, if your taking test prop start it 3-5 days after last injection. There is no need to go and buy another test just to end ur cycle.

 

[nvr2lt]

IMO there is no need nor benefit to doing what you propose. Just take the test that your currently taking for your cycle, then when your coming off cycle just base your PCT schedule from what you were taking.

Meaning if your taking test E then start it 10-14 days after last injection, if your taking test prop start it 3-5 days after last injection. There is no need to go and buy another test just to end ur cycle.

Please don't think I was recommending my replies. I was only asking if he was referring to front loading. That's why I said it sounded bad. Not that there is any benefit.

 

[Grillmaster78]

Please don't think I was recommending my replies. I was only asking if he was referring to front loading. That's why I said it sounded bad. Not that there is any benefit.

Nope, while I did read your responses I was in no way replying to them. What I wrote is strictly my honest opinion.

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And I actually front load all the time. The first 2 weeks I always mega-dose. But that's just me and not advice I'm giving to anyone.

 

[nvr2lt]

I don't want to hi-jack this thread, but real quick. I've been reading about that and that's where I got that from. The exact cycle was only 8 weeks. Test E FL 750mgs, with 750mgs/week. On week 7 you stop the Test E and start a week of Prop, 100mgs a day. Seen it three places and all of them were claiming better PCT. not sure I buy the better pct.

 

[Grillmaster78]

I don't want to hi-jack this thread, but real quick. I've been reading about that and that's where I got that from. The exact cycle was only 8 weeks. Test E FL 750mgs, with 750mgs/week. On week 7 you stop the Test E and start a week of Prop, 100mgs a day. Seen it three places and all of them were claiming better PCT. not sure I buy the better pct.

Based on that cycle as you stated you would start PCT around 7 days after your last Prop injection. Because you still would want to wait about 14 days after your last Test Enanthate shot and wait about 5 days after your last Prop shot.

While technically speaking yes doing that you will be dosing your test very high up until the end, it's really not worth the minimal gains you may get to justify buying a bottle of prop.

Also are you saying your getting Test E at 750mgs/ml?? Impossible, that dose would require some really good chemistry and will hurt like fuck injecting with all the alcohol needed to make it injectable. That's 7.5 grams of test in 10mls, never heard of it.

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Actually if ur taking 750mgs/week of test E then you would want to take 250mgs Prop EOD the last week to make your theory work.

 

[major class]

This is interesting to me, so is the idea of front-loading only for the purpose of smoother transition to PCT? or is it also supposed to give you faster gains in the beginning? Seems kinda risky and also counter-intuitive compared to any other drug out there: tolerance, increased dose to overcome tolerance, etc. It doesn't seem like you can just str8 overdose on hormones but couldn't you really mess yourself up by going 0 to 60 like that?

 

[Grillmaster78]

This is interesting to me, so is the idea of front-loading only for the purpose of smoother transition to PCT? or is it also supposed to give you faster gains in the beginning? Seems kinda risky and also counter-intuitive compared to any other drug out there: tolerance, increased dose to overcome tolerance, etc. It doesn't seem like you can just str8 overdose on hormones but couldn't you really mess yourself up by going 0 to 60 like that?

My theory on front loading is to get your test levels up quickly to what your cycle dose will be. It has zero to do with PCT at all. In fact don't even think about PCT until your about to come off cycle, if that makes the math easier.

Let's say your cycle consisted of 250mgs a week of Test Cyp, the very first shot you inject of that will release that 250mgs into you within 24 hours, then will slowly go down as its half life is like 7 days. So that first shot will already shock your body and start it's own shut down of natural test. If you wait another 7 days to inject 250mgs then on that day after you inject you will have 375mgs of test in your body. Wait another week and after another 250mg injection you will have 437mgs in your body, wait another 7 days and inject another 250mgs you will have 468mgs in your body.

You can see how the longer you go the more even the numbers fall. The test numbers add up according to the half life. Now if you mega dose the first week and do the math your test levels will even out faster.

So yes, greater shock to the body initially but it takes less time to even out. I guess that's where the controversy is, which is better?