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Hey guys I'm starting my first ever cycle on the 1st of next month. its a Test E. only cycle for about 12weeks. I have everything I need in place; the test, aromasin, hcg, my on cycle support supps as well as my PCT compounds(Aromasin, Clomid and nolvadex)

I'm opting to run HCG throughout the cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. I've researched(AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG) that I need to take 250ius twice a week totaling 500ius a week of HCG throughout the cycle and drop HCG two weeks before AAS clears my system. So pretty much right about the same time I take my last shot of the Test E. Then follow proper PCT protocol.

My question is when do I start injecting the HCG? On the first day of my Test shot or some days later? I need answers any thoughts and comments will be much appreciated.
 
This is what I do
Start 2 weeks in to cycle 250iu 2 times a week =500iu a week
The 2 weeks before pct bump it up 500iu 2 times a week = 1000iu a week
Do not use in PCT
This is what I do I'm no expert but works for me
 
Get-busy said:
This is what I do
Start 2 weeks in to cycle 250iu 2 times a week =500iu a week
The 2 weeks before pct bump it up 500iu 2 times a week = 1000iu a week
Do not use in PCT
This is what I do I'm no expert but works for me
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That's pretty much what I did but I used it starting my forth week I use it when the first sign of atrophy starts I use 250 2x per week that's if it takes care of the atrophy if I need more I use more. I use whatever is needed to keep my nuts 100%. Usually I like to go through about 10000 total and I stop 1 week before I start clomid. I like to always end my cycle with test prop so I know when I start clomid the synthetic test is completely out of my system. Peptides and s4 or other Sarms I believe are good for pct as well
 
If you take some time to do some research on HCG, you will find that it does more harm then good. Read this: http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

HCG will increase LH and FSH, yes, but it will also increase estrogen levels and it's suppressive of natural testosterone production. The problem with HCG is that when you stop using it, your natural testosterone production is suppressed and you get an estrogen rebound to boot. That is why so many users experience gyno after HCG use.

I personally would either use nothing at all OR use a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate from n2bm.com. You will get the same LH and FSH increase, with no natural testosterone suppression or estrogen rebound. Use 5 capsules/day throughout your entire cycle.
 
Jdusty77 said:
That's pretty much what I did but I used it starting my forth week I use it when the first sign of atrophy starts I use 250 2x per week that's if it takes care of the atrophy if I need more I use more. I use whatever is needed to keep my nuts 100%. Usually I like to go through about 10000 total and I stop 1 week before I start clomid. I like to always end my cycle with test prop so I know when I start clomid the synthetic test is completely out of my system. Peptides and s4 or other Sarms I believe are good for pct as well
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I'm curious as to why you wait till atrophy sets in before using the HCG peptide. Wouldn't you want to start a bit early to just avoid it atrophy completely?
 
Of course is suppresses natural test. That's why you use it on cycle. Synthetic test already does that. And yes it does convert into estrogen that's why I use anastrozole! Some of us have g/f and wives and not only do the small testicles freak them out but guess what other side effect hcg has. ... Yes folks LABIDO. It makes sex intense and let me tell u my wife loves it !!! So yes your post is correct .... But if you use synth test guess what. Hcg works and is very valuable just use it with a AI. I know first hand from experience it helps Not everyone is the same but for me HCG is the bomb!
 
That's just how I have always used it the less I can use a drug the better I use all juice in moderation and it's just what suits me. Am I wrong maybe .. If it ain't broke I don't fix it. I guess it's just personal preference. I don't get sides and I maintain a enormous amount of gains . So because of that I use what has worked and does work
 
Jdusty77 said:
Of course is suppresses natural test. That's why you use it on cycle. Synthetic test already does that. And yes it does convert into estrogen that's why I use anastrozole! Some of us have g/f and wives and not only do the small testicles freak them out but guess what other side effect hcg has. ... Yes folks LABIDO. It makes sex intense and let me tell u my wife loves it !!! So yes your post is correct .... But if you use synth test guess what. Hcg works and is very valuable just use it with a AI. I know first hand from experience it helps Not everyone is the same but for me HCG is the bomb!
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HCGenerate ES does just the same - the libido is sky-high, and erections come easy. That is why I love it so much, since I get those effects year round without any sort of side effects or suppression.
 
if your only concern is testicular atrophy then just use hcgenerate. it works and it also gives you bigger loads

the only time to use hcg is when you stop injecting steroids during that window where the esters are clearing. but you must follow it up with a PCT as hcg is suppressive
 
Jdusty77 said:
Of course is suppresses natural test. That's why you use it on cycle. Synthetic test already does that. And yes it does convert into estrogen that's why I use anastrozole! Some of us have g/f and wives and not only do the small testicles freak them out but guess what other side effect hcg has. ... Yes folks LABIDO. It makes sex intense and let me tell u my wife loves it !!! So yes your post is correct .... But if you use synth test guess what. Hcg works and is very valuable just use it with a AI. I know first hand from experience it helps Not everyone is the same but for me HCG is the bomb!
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haha bro I like your no BS approach you've been a great help. I don't know why they keep beating the same drum like its going to sound different. Of course HCG is suppressive everybody knows that and that's why you take it on cycle with an AI just like you would take an AI with Test cycle because its suppressive its that simple smh

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Jay Scott said:
I would do 250ius/eod actually. But only during cycle. Do not, I repeat, do not do it in PCT
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The half life is about 4 days so why shoot every other day I'm curious to know how this method is optimal
 
axaboutme2 said:
haha bro I like your no BS approach you've been a great help. I don't know why they keep beating the same drum like its going to sound different. Of course HCG is suppressive everybody knows that and that's why you take it on cycle with an AI just like you would take an AI with Test cycle because its suppressive its that simple smh

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The half life is about 4 days so why shoot every other day I'm curious to know how this method is optimal
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a week ago you posted that you were new to the game and now a week later you are a hcg expert based on a whole 3 days of research? really?

I have ran hcg many times, and I have ran blood work before, during and after. so I have actual real world experience, unlike the BS you read on forums promoting the drug who have never even touched it. if you come on here and ask for advice, then belittle people for giving advice, then what are you really learning?

this is the reason the millennial generation are such fuckups, they know everything! they don't listen to anyone
 
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stevesmi said:
a week ago you posted that you were new to the game and now a week later you are a hcg expert based on a whole 3 days of research? really?

I have ran hcg many times, and I have ran blood work before, during and after. so I have actual real world experience, unlike the BS you read on forums promoting the drug who have never even touched it. if you come on here and ask for advice, then belittle people for giving advice, then what are you really learning?

this is the reason the millennial generation are such fuckups, they know everything! they don't listen to anyone
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Bro let me be very clear me being new on this site doesn't mean I haven't been busting my ass doing my own research for nearly 6 MONTHS even before signing up here! Hell I even got all my stack about a month ago and still waiting another month before actually using I'm that studious and careful about things. I chime in and ask questions because you can never be too careful so don't let my newbie status fool you one bit. unlike other people who really have no clue what they are doing I am not gullible to eat up whatever someone tells me. I do my home work even before I ask a question. The problem here is people giving biased opinions based on their personal interests. That's not real help to those that might be really looking for help or are really in the dark about things. And last time I checked It's a forum and I have every right to speak my mind on what I think is right or wrong as long as I'm not violating any rules here. Point is BE HONEST IN YOUR OPINIONS NOT BIASED!! ENOUGH WITH THE POLITICAL BS!!
 
^^^ I don't disagree with you but remember real world experience and researching are both important in this game.

I know dudes who have been juicing for 30 years who don't know what AI means.. and I know guys who know what an AI is but have never used them before. you need both

I have both researched (I have published hcg articles up all over the internet), and I have used hcg.. first time I used hcg was like 7 years ago. so you can either choose to listen to my advice or not.. just don't ask a question and get the answer you don't want to hear, then proclaim its politics. that is what is wrong with the fitness industry and today's millenials, they want everything without working for it and they don't would rather take advice from their pothead friends then their parents or adults with actual experience.
 
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I am someone who uses tren so hcg side effects is not necessarily on my list of worries. I do appreciate your passion for the product I'm just giving my opinion And you won't see me get all bent outta shape about it either. It comes down to this. I like to use what works for me personally and to spend that kind pf money IN MY OPINION is a waste. I can buy much more and get waaayy more bang for my buck. When I do get side effects I don't like I'll use something else. Done and done
 
Fenwaypark said:
HCG is not suppressive. It it were then no one would be using it. And no one would be using it on cycle either. This logic makes no sense.

Taken at high dose and/or extended time in length then yes your body will become dependant on HCG for the LH , then when you stop HCG your body may crash as your not triggering natural test production.
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I agree with you , although some people may be prone to gyno and if they are abusing test and they throw in hcg it could possibly present a issue . Just like anything else use in moderation is key and figure out what works best for you and there won't be any sides. I know folks who use high doses of test and hcg and don't have issues but then we get into genetics and that's a whole other subject
 
Fenwaypark said:
HCG is not suppressive. It it were then no one would be using it. And no one would be using it on cycle either. This logic makes no sense.
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hcg IS SUPPRESSIVE! when you drop your LH and FSH levels that is the definition of suppression

the idea during pct is to boost your LH and FSH, not drop it.

people need to stop thinking that just cause your testosterone levels go up, that you aren't suppressed.. if that were true then guys on TRT wouldn't be suppressed right?
 
Of course H CG is suppressive which is why you are not supposed to use it during PCT only on cycle


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axaboutme2 said:
Bro let me be very clear me being new on this site doesn't mean I haven't been busting my ass doing my own research for nearly 6 MONTHS even before signing up here! Hell I even got all my stack about a month ago and still waiting another month before actually using I'm that studious and careful about things. I chime in and ask questions because you can never be too careful so don't let my newbie status fool you one bit. unlike other people who really have no clue what they are doing I am not gullible to eat up whatever someone tells me. I do my home work even before I ask a question. The problem here is people giving biased opinions based on their personal interests. That's not real help to those that might be really looking for help or are really in the dark about things. And last time I checked It's a forum and I have every right to speak my mind on what I think is right or wrong as long as I'm not violating any rules here. Point is BE HONEST IN YOUR OPINIONS NOT BIASED!! ENOUGH WITH THE POLITICAL BS!!
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I have a few simple questions. If you don't "eat up what someone tells you," what lab tests have you done, or paid for to know HCG is the right path?" Because, just reading them on the Internet is doing exactly what you said you don't do; "eat up whatever someone tells you."
Finally, who are the "other people who really have no clue? That's a pretty broad statement to say "other people." Are you saying your decision was based on doctors studies?


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BTW, I'm not a Mod, Sponcor and don't get kick backs from anyone, or any business. I'm not supporting HCG, or HCGenerates.


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The guy simply asked for advice on hcg dosage etc. imo if you don't have any why even post? Yes we know that a lot of guys on this board do not support hcg. But that's besides the point and wasn't the original question.
Bro dose your hcg at 250iu twice weekly and you will be fine. Don't worry about estrogen rebound blah blah that will only happen at extreme doses not to mention you should be running an ai while on cycle so boom that takes care of that. Run aromasin as your ai and estro rebound will never be an issue


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There is so much controversy with this subject. I use on cycle because I have tried both methods and when I used it post cycle it seemed like I took longer to recover. Note the word seemed. For that reason on cycle works best for myself. I use trial and error with my own adventures. But remember everyone responds differently to all compounds. A good example is equipoise dosage. I can use 300 mgs with great results (per week) others do not.
 
monsterish said:
The guy simply asked for advice on hcg dosage etc. imo if you don't have any why even post? Yes we know that a lot of guys on this board do not support hcg. But that's besides the point and wasn't the original question.
Bro dose your hcg at 250iu twice weekly and you will be fine. Don't worry about estrogen rebound blah blah that will only happen at extreme doses not to mention you should be running an ai while on cycle so boom that takes care of that. Run aromasin as your ai and estro rebound will never be an issue


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The brother didn't just "simply" ask for advice. He asked for advice and turned around and started throwing darts at the brothers who gave advice. He asked for advice and once he had one brother tell him what he wanted to hear, he surely got real smart. Especially seeing how he made this thread asking for advice. If the OP wanted to have it out on HCG, why not do like the other brothers and just title your thread as so. No one here threw darts at him, until he started throwing darts at them. As far as my reply, I asked a very serious question. He went from asking for advice, to telling brothers he like their no BS approach. Hell, he should have just said if your not going to tell me what I want, then don't reply! Finally, if he busted his ass for 6 months doing research, why did he even need to ask? After 6 months of reading I know most brothers could have read every link that come up on a Google search related to HCG. There's no doubt in my mind, the OP was trolling.


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Probably the most intense controversial thread I've come across in a while lol but from what I know and I'm not an expert or anything, HCG does in fact work very well on cycle. My brother has been competing for a while and he def uses it to keep his boys full while on cycle. As far HCGenerate goes how is it raising test and not estrogen?
 
JustBlaze520 said:
Probably the most intense controversial thread I've come across in a while lol but from what I know and I'm not an expert or anything, HCG does in fact work very well on cycle. My brother has been competing for a while and he def uses it to keep his boys full while on cycle. As far HCGenerate goes how is it raising test and not estrogen?
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I would just like some hard facts written data on this new product before I put it in my body.
 
Fenwaypark said:
I would just like some hard facts written data on this new product before I put it in my body.
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Maybe the manufacturers or other people that have used it can join in with some answers because if it does indeed work as well as they say then I wouldn't mind giving it a try but until then you cant beat what already has been proven to work.
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ have you read this yet? https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Cycle-Support-c26/-HCGenerate-p45.html

it explains a lot

if you want to research each ingredients you can go to the top tab and read about them by looking for the articles on each compound.

its all right there
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"Needtobuildmuscle" sells the stuff, so while I appreciate the info they give it is totally biased and does not give hard studies. If you really want I can go through that site and totally pick apart the things they say, such as how they use wording like "it is known to", or " it may increase", etc...... Are there any human studies on it, either short or long term?

I feel like I'm going crazy here, by simply asking for real world studies on the stuff.
 
Fenwaypark said:
"Needtobuildmuscle" sells the stuff, so while I appreciate the info they give it is totally biased and does not give hard studies. If you really want I can go through that site and totally pick apart the things they say, such as how they use wording like "it is known to", or " it may increase", etc...... Are there any human studies on it, either short or long term?

I feel like I'm going crazy here, by simply asking for real world studies on the stuff.
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Just curious as to where you got your info on HGC?


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nvr2lt said:
Just curious as to where you got your info on HGC?


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Great question.

Simple Google search of "Effects of HCG in the Male Body", or "HCG for PCT". Tons of legit info on it. I encourage you to do your own research to properly learn about what certain drugs do.
 
nvr2lt said:
How do you know the info is legit?


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Another great question.

Personally I research all I can and I use common sense and consider what sites I'm getting it from and whom is writing about it. Legit product studies are easy to find, but now I feel that you want a class on how to properly use Google which is a waste of my time. Lol.
 
So, your saying these Doctor studies, from a doctor you've never met, never examined you and have no clue of your health history gives you legit info? How do you know it wasn't a Pharmaceutical company paying these Doctors to report good things in their review? To say something is "legit" you might want to show some blood work from both sides of the fence. Blood work using HCG and blood work using something your trying to compare it to. Again, don't think I'm pro anything, because I'm not. To really see how HCG is working, you need blood work before, during, on cycle and pct and after pct. To say your judging your opinion on Internet posted studies is comical to say the least. If I found a doctors report that says Steroids are bad and unhealthy, will you stop using them? I will try both HCG and HCGenerates.


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