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Let's put it with different words - it is rather steroid misuse that leads to serious health consequences. This can be the use of steroids by those who clearly should not be using steroids, or the use of steroids without the proper ancillaries, using steroids for too long without a proper PCT or taking breaks, etc. etc. Also, you could be using bad steroid combinations, or use them in dangerous amounts. All of this may constitute the concept of steroid abose.
500 mgs of testosterone is definitely not steroid abuse - it is the optimal dosage, so it you use it with the proper ancillaries during a cycle of right duration, and do a PCT before taking a break, this is anything, but steroid abuse.
500 mgs of testosterone is definitely not steroid abuse - it is the optimal dosage, so it you use it with the proper ancillaries during a cycle of right duration, and do a PCT before taking a break, this is anything, but steroid abuse.
One of the worst examples of steroid abuse is when a man uses testosterone for purposes having to do with sex and only sex with, of course, no breaks or PCT, and while eating poorly and drinking alcohol. That is not only abuse, it is a prescription for disaster. A friend of mine knows a young porn "star" who has been doing that very thing for the past several years. Tragic.
A lot of guys won't like my answer but yes.. even 500mg a week test is abuse. in layman's terms as males we produce the equivalent of 150mg a week of test give or take a bit. so if you exceed that number you are technically abusing hormones.
now if you run 500mg for 12 weeks, run your proper support supps and ancillaries, then cycle off. that is one thing.. that is what I would call conservative cycling of steroids... but running 500mg for 6 months straight or year round, that is straight up abuse bigtime.. and it will lead to heart and lipid strain.
now if you run 500mg for 12 weeks, run your proper support supps and ancillaries, then cycle off. that is one thing.. that is what I would call conservative cycling of steroids... but running 500mg for 6 months straight or year round, that is straight up abuse bigtime.. and it will lead to heart and lipid strain.
I seriously doubt that any of us would openly disagree with that assessment, Steve.
Jay Scott
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But also you have to keep in mind, that in competitive world, you need to abuse them..
It is a definition that has a slightly different meaning depending on who you ask. Steroid abuse is essentially using excessive amounts of steroids in long durations and not coming off in-between cycles.
As long as you are using sensible dosages and running PCTs after each steroid cycle, you have nothing to worry about.
As long as you are using sensible dosages and running PCTs after each steroid cycle, you have nothing to worry about.
There can be different opinions on this. To me a guy that cycles on and off gear properly with supports, ancillaries, and a good PCT is not abusing steroids. Someone that runs lower doses but doesn't use those things is abusing them to me. And obviously the guys running 2g of gear per week plus insulin, t3, clen, dnp...etc. Those guys are the biggest abusers.
Vlad Tepes
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So basically IFBB pros? lol
Indeed. Sp too do many porn "actors" abuse cabergoline.
Why caber?
Because caber is an anti-prolactin, and it is prolactin that reduces one's sex drive after one orgasms (prolactin is often described as being nature's population limiter). So cabergoline reduces the amount of time it takes a man to regain an erection. And it truly does just that. I know because I take 12.5 mgs of caber every third day while engaged in cycles involving Tren. It is in fact quite an amazing compound. But many porn "actors" take it constantly thereby placing their libidos in jeopardy longterm.
GQCornflakes
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I agree. I hear the average male produces like 7mg a day. If someone takes more than that then technically i guess it is called abuse as its more than one really needs. Typical example is with pain killers, as im sure everyone here has taken them before and knows it doesn't take alot to dull real pain, yet some abuse the recommended dose wanting "better" results meaning feeling good and yes high. I'm in no way compairing narcotics with steriods, just trying to make a comparison.
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Out of curiosity, do you use caber only on tren cycles, or you also use it to improve libido off cycle? I used it once only for the sex purpose, and noticed that I would be ready for combat faster, but it would not affect my erections.
Jay Scott
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It would affect erection only in the case if you have too high prolactin. If your prolactin levels are healthy but you decide to take some caber, it will simply increase your sex drive and libido. I know because I have done this experiment myself with caber from agguys
I have never used caber off cycle but am intrigued by its effects.
For the first time, I'm going to have to disagree. Men who experience Low T and are on TRT, there really is no reason to cycle off Steroids completely. TRT is going to replace your natty test to an expectable level, according to your doc. Now, if your TRT dose is 100mgs/wk, but you inject 500mgs/week, that's abuse. The fact that being on TRT for sex, along with other man related issues is abuse, hogwash! I suffered for over 15 years not knowing I had low T. As long as the person follows his TRT Schedule, it's not abuse, as long as he follows doc orders.0
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