Approved Log TRT and Retatrutide Journal (The Dad Bod experiment)

[Atypical_CA]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

 

[LevButlerov]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA welcome to the EVO family fully now this is a good life changing log and I think you will do really well do it.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

yes you're in Australia they dont do TRT well.

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:
- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

Can you please share these bloods?

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Your estrogen will be very high with testosterone and HCG in the stack, you need to use an Ai with this.
And you're injecting how much at 1 time? pip question

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

That's hard to say until we see bloods but for sure high e2 from your stack is a fact.

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

smart move, Team Raptor @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep are amazing

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Waiting to see more food and training updates.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

You look good, perfect start to your life changing journey.

 

[Atypical_CA]

Can you please share these bloods?

Your estrogen will be very high with testosterone and HCG in the stack, you need to use an Ai with this.
And you're injecting how much at 1 time? pip question

my aim with the HCG was to keep the balls turned on and not shrink from the TRT... putting 2+2 together I'm definitely running a high-er E2 than I should be but I wasn't expecting it to be a result of the HCG... I'd prefer to not run a long-term AI because I don't want sides so my mind is drifting towards supplementing the T with Primo to get the AI effects without the heavy sides... keen to hear guidance about when and how to use AIs safely (I have downloaded all the ebooks from IronGorillas so re-reading those too)

At the moment the T Cyp is 250mg vial so I started injecting 0.75-0.8 a shot (150/160mg) but dumbass here started trying to do SubQ injections mid-thigh which is bloody stupid because I don't really have fat on my quads to inject into so ended upsetting my quads for three days afterwards. I do ventral glute with zero issues now - it's tender next day but like a 1-2 compared to the thigh which was solid 4 in discomfort. Plan is to move to 400mg vials of Test E to reduce the quantity being injected.

The HCG was reconstituted with 2ml of BAC so thats 10-unit shot in a 1ml syringe - going to weekly shots it's now 20 units. I've never had PIP with this or the Reta (maybe because there's heaps of fat to inject into )

 

[stevesmi]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

do the reta 1.5-2mgs to start. no need to run it only at 1mg. you are safe at 2mgs even, that is the dose i run it and having zero sides. lets hit this one man! @Atypical_CA also glad to see the podcast motivated you to come on here

 

[Mobster]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

I'm happy we had a positive impact

 

[LevButlerov]

my aim with the HCG was to keep the balls turned on and not shrink from the TRT... putting 2+2 together I'm definitely running a high-er E2 than I should be but I wasn't expecting it to be a result of the HCG... I'd prefer to not run a long-term AI because I don't want sides so my mind is drifting towards supplementing the T with Primo to get the AI effects without the heavy sides... keen to hear guidance about when and how to use AIs safely (I have downloaded all the ebooks from IronGorillas so re-reading those too)

At the moment the T Cyp is 250mg vial so I started injecting 0.75-0.8 a shot (150/160mg) but dumbass here started trying to do SubQ injections mid-thigh which is bloody stupid because I don't really have fat on my quads to inject into so ended upsetting my quads for three days afterwards. I do ventral glute with zero issues now - it's tender next day but like a 1-2 compared to the thigh which was solid 4 in discomfort. Plan is to move to 400mg vials of Test E to reduce the quantity being injected.

The HCG was reconstituted with 2ml of BAC so thats 10-unit shot in a 1ml syringe - going to weekly shots it's now 20 units. I've never had PIP with this or the Reta (maybe because there's heaps of fat to inject into )

You need to get some organ liver support to deal with the kidney values. @Atypical_CA think N2guard but in Australia is a miss hard to get I think.
how much water do you drink per day?
And I'm not sure if I missed it, but was there an e2 test there?

 

[Atypical_CA]

You need to get some organ liver support to deal with the kidney values. @Atypical_CA think N2guard but in Australia is a miss hard to get I think.
how much water do you drink per day?
And I'm not sure if I missed it, but was there an e2 test there?

No e2 test from my doc (proven he’s hopeless) - on the list for next week

Will research n2guard and find something appropriate

Water could do more of. I prob drink 5 x 600ml bottle I reckon

 

[BodyMonster34]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA bro you used to be lean. should be easy to get lean back to where you were. how much red meat you eating?

 

[ceo]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA bros i love the ben affleck pic ha! we all wish we were as good looking as him lol. nice start to this, glad to see accountant on here most guys work more blue collar

 

[Atypical_CA]

@Atypical_CA bro you used to be lean. should be easy to get lean back to where you were. how much red meat you eating?

Thanks mate - yeah I’m hoping getting lean is as easy as muscle memory but there’s a lot of water under that bridge so I go into this knowing it’s a lot of work. Red meat probably 2x a week in a prepped stew or mince in tacos/wraps with beef strips.

 

[Atypical_CA]

@Atypical_CA bros i love the ben affleck pic ha! we all wish we were as good looking as him lol. nice start to this, glad to see accountant on here most guys work more blue collar

Glad somebody got The Accountant reference

Hoping this can inspire a few more desk jockey's to run logs and show sedentary people there’s a better way to live

 

[ceo]

Glad somebody got The Accountant reference

Hoping this can inspire a few more desk jockey's to run logs and show sedentary people there’s a better way to live

bros that for sure. i was sedentary for 2 years after my accident so not just work related. sometimes people get into accidents too. so good motivation!

 

[ROIDDERS]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA this one is looking good man! the stack is test and hcg and i like the setup. another thing i like is the reta, you should notice the worst sides the first month then it gets easier

 

[2Thick]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA this one is looking good. the reta 2mg a week is on point. that is what we like to see !

 

[Ulter]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA we used to have a regular who was an accountant. its good to see you on here man and welcome. i look forward to supporting you on this log. if you have a sweet tooth my advice is switch to things like raw honey or fruit

 

[LevButlerov]

No e2 test from my doc (proven he’s hopeless) - on the list for next week

Will research n2guard and find something appropriate

Water could do more of. I prob drink 5 x 600ml bottle I reckon

Can you do e2 test private? I know other Aussies are using private blood work @Atypical_CA
@Pigsy is an Aussie mod can you recommend a bloods place?

For n2guard, check here https://n2guard.com

water, can you try to track water exactly for 2 days and report?

 

[Pigsy]

You can make your own blood test with IMEDICAL. Choose what you want to be tested.

 

[LevButlerov]

No e2 test from my doc (proven he’s hopeless) - on the list for next week

@Atypical_CA
in Australia iMedical go there
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...al-the-dad-bod-experiment.105664/post-1788614

You can make your own blood test with IMEDICAL. Choose what you want to be tested.

 

[Atypical_CA]

Yep I’ve got my I-screen account ready to go and get bloods done this week - same prices as I-medical as far as I can tell

I’m probably gonna give tomorrow T shot a miss given the e2 reactions and not interfere with the bloods this week - I’m hoping I’m primed for a big water-weight woosh in the next four weeks. It’ll be just the motivation I’ll need to keep going.

Knowing I’ve got to fess up about my food I’ve tried being a very good boy today food wise:

• 2 slices sour bread with Vegemite
• 1 coffee at home (double shot flat white)
• 2 double shot flat whites (1 with sugar)
• Two mandarins
• water through the day 4 x 600ml bottles
• Bhan Mi + vanilla Coke Zero (lunch)
• Instant soup + slice of sourdough (dinner coz I worked late at the office)

Supps:

• Creatine 5mg
• Vit C tab 1000m

 

[LevButlerov]

Yep I’ve got my I-screen account ready to go and get bloods done this week - same prices as I-medical as far as I can tell

I’m probably gonna give tomorrow T shot a miss given the e2 reactions and not interfere with the bloods this week - I’m hoping I’m primed for a big water-weight woosh in the next four weeks. It’ll be just the motivation I’ll need to keep going.

Knowing I’ve got to fess up about my food I’ve tried being a very good boy today food wise:

• 2 slices sour bread with Vegemite
• 1 coffee at home (double shot flat white)
• 2 double shot flat whites (1 with sugar)
• Two mandarins
• water through the day 4 x 600ml bottles
• Bhan Mi + vanilla Coke Zero (lunch)
• Instant soup + slice of sourdough (dinner coz I worked late at the office)

Supps:

• Creatine 5mg
• Vit C tab 1000m

This is a start, lets keep going with updates next 2 weeks, so we can all get your base. @Atypical_CA

 

[BodyMonster34]

Thanks mate - yeah I’m hoping getting lean is as easy as muscle memory but there’s a lot of water under that bridge so I go into this knowing it’s a lot of work. Red meat probably 2x a week in a prepped stew or mince in tacos/wraps with beef strips.

bro lean and mean!

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA Welcome to Evo.....

 

[ballin2504]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA nice start to the log. Glad to have you aboard here on evo

 

[RoySimpson]

Alright boys and girls... listening to @stevesmi and @Mobster on the podcast has been the bit to make me pull the trigger on doing a log. Sorry for the really long first log post. I'm sure I've missed a ton of data.

I'm 43M and started this at the beginning of June. I'm not particularly healthy; diet was/is crap, I didn't get to the gym for any sort of weight training, I ride a little (used to race road bikes) but middle age expansion took over and I went from 72kg 9 years ago to 90+ kg... something had to give and I was determined to be results-focused on this.

Spoke to my GP, got a real condescending look when I asked for TRT and had to twist his arm for a Tripeptide prescription. That was enough for me to say FU I;m doing this myself because ten years on an SNRI ain't cutting it, something's wrong and I'll fix myself. Coincidentally there's nothing quite like a marriage breakdown to fuel your desire to change too (shout out to all the other single dads out there).

I did my bloods last time in March 2025
- Full bloods within specs
- Iron within specs
- Thyroid function 3.14mIU/L (range 0.5 - 4.00) so on the bigger end (probably because I was overweight)
- Plasma lipids:

- Total Chol: 5.2 mmol/L (bad)​

- Triglyceride: 1.7 mmol/L​

- HDL - C: 1.1mmol/L​

- LDL - C: 3.3 mmol/L​

- Non HDL - C: 4.1 mmol/L​

- Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.7​

​

This was probably the area that most concerned me - I was eating trash and it was showing... luckily glocose wasn't showing issues so I wasn't prediabetic (yet)​

​

- Total Testosterone: 14.3 nmol/L... I'm sure this needed to be into the 30's for me to feel better... (next bloods I'll get a full hormone screen because one number isn't going to cut it for analysis and tracking - but that's what the doc ordered for me)

So after some digging and plenty of research I came across you lot at Evolutionary.org and pulled the trigger on some products from @Raptor Labs

Initial stack is:
- 200mg per week Test C (this went to 300mg pw on my second week) pinned Sun & Wed
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Mon & Fri
- 1mg Reta per week pinned Mon & Fri (this started at 0.5mg in my first week to assess sides then went to 0.5mg per pin the following week)

Currently on (as of 14/7)
- 300mg pw Test C on Sun & Wed (I'm switchng this to Test E @ 400mg vial because I'm wanting to see if my body prefers less oil as I get a sizable lump at my injection sites (ventral glute)
- 500iU HCG per week pinned Sat (moved this to once a week dose because I'm not mixing the peptides in the syringe anymore)
- 2mg per week Reta (since beginning of July) titrated up from the previous dose - again no sides but respecting it so not going up until another four weeks has passed.

Now here's the interesting part... I'm an accountant by trade, so numbers and data is important to know how I'm progressing... the problem is I'm not progressing as I expect... Started at 91kg now sitting at 94/95... but fat %age of mass has decreased by 6.2% and muscle has increased by 5.8%... but here's the clincher.... I'm retaining water and I think because of the high T dose (this has been immediately cut back to 200mg per week until further notice) and I'm ordering Aromasin through Raptor when they're back from leave next week (in the meantime I'll have labs done again and refresh the results) thinks aren't terrible I'm not feeling ill but I do think I've got high-ish E2 levels based on mood recently and reactions to a stressful work and home environment

As for exercise - I do some time on my indoor trainer (cardio) twice a week and I try to get to the gym for weights twice a week as well. I refer to my Caliber app for plannining out my workouts (if I had to pick an area I want to build first it's arms & shoulders, cyclists are not traditionally big in this area) so I have a three day PPL routine I stick to and working through.

Next update will cover my diet (I have a sweet tooth - working on it) and I'll try to get some better description of my diet and exercise routines.

Photos and screenshots of my data from my smart scales (I don't trust the absolute numbers, but I do trust the relative direction to help me manage and assess my progress). Lets see how far I can get in six months...

@Atypical_CA Welcome to the forums bro!

 

[rustle]

your dose is too high for TRT.
Drop it back to 100-120mg/wk.

 

[Atypical_CA]

your dose is too high for TRT.
Drop it back to 100-120mg/wk.

Yes agree. I see your log experience is very similar to mine. Glad I don’t have to reinvent the wheel here

 

[rustle]

Yes agree. I see your log experience is very similar to mine. Glad I don’t have to reinvent the wheel here

Yep we look to have been starting from about the same place. I have a TRT script through EMC that i am maintaining for the purposes of travel etc however you will have seen my cycle in between blood test requirements.

I see you've also used @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep for your supply. You're in good hands with their gear. My bloods came back amazing during my cycle.

 

[Atypical_CA]

Yep we look to have been starting from about the same place. I have a TRT script through EMC that i am maintaining for the purposes of travel etc however you will have seen my cycle in between blood test requirements.

I see you've also used @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep for your supply. You're in good hands with their gear. My bloods came back amazing during my cycle.

Have you been stopped at the airport before for your gear when travelling? I hadn’t considered the script for that yet…

 

[rustle]

Have you been stopped at the airport before for your gear when travelling? I hadn’t considered the script for that yet…

Haven't travelled yet

 

[Atypical_CA]

Sorry all - this logs on pause until further notice. I’ve got to secure my supply chain and deal with my side effects post blood results (had the blood draw today).

I’ve had two packages very delayed/disappeared from AusPost and nothing at the post office when I checked this morning so need to wait and see what happens and then consider changes to my regime (whether that includes a bulk order once I’ve locked down my supply issues) so sorry folks…

Very frustrated as I’ve run out of Reta on Monday and deliberately raised a new order before the raptor crew went on leave…

Life’s very shitty at the moment too. Work being stupid busy, no exercise, not wanting to exercise because legs hurt from the water weight… it’s a Michelin star shit sandwich…

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Sorry all - this logs on pause until further notice. I’ve got to secure my supply chain and deal with my side effects post blood results (had the blood draw today).

I’ve had two packages very delayed/disappeared from AusPost and nothing at the post office when I checked this morning so need to wait and see what happens and then consider changes to my regime (whether that includes a bulk order once I’ve locked down my supply issues) so sorry folks…

Very frustrated as I’ve run out of Reta on Monday and deliberately raised a new order before the raptor crew went on leave…

Life’s very shitty at the moment too. Work being stupid busy, no exercise, not wanting to exercise because legs hurt from the water weight… it’s a Michelin star shit sandwich…

who is your supplier for this broly? @Atypical_CA and where is your bloods post them when you get them
why pause the log you should still train and try to work on food, yes not wanting but you need to push and at least do natty exercises

 

[Atypical_CA]

who is your supplier for this broly? @Atypical_CA and where is your bloods post them when you get them
why pause the log you should still train and try to work on food, yes not wanting but you need to push and at least do natty exercises

I got on my bike for a ride today. This fkn water weight makes anything tough to be honest.

I’m dealing with a lot of life stress (so’s everybody really) but my ability to deal with it isn’t 100% where I want it to be right now - hence doing this journey and tracking it on the log. I’m off to a roughish start but things get dialled in from here… my latest care package arrived today from @Raptor Labs

My bloods come back Monday hopefully. Once elevated e2 is confirmed I’ll get onto an aromasin order so I can combat the side effects and we reduce the T back to 100mg twice a week and hold off the HCG and work out a dosing schedule that doesn’t spike e2 when I’m off the AI…

My work stress is something for me to deal with. I’m experienced in my field, I just need to work it out and find the time to do it to free up my time to train (it’s a chicken and egg argument isn’t it? Feel better from exercising to tackle work stress but work stress means you don’t wanna exercise…)

Anyway rant over. Resuming normal programming on Monday

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I got on my bike for a ride today. This fkn water weight makes anything tough to be honest.

I’m dealing with a lot of life stress (so’s everybody really) but my ability to deal with it isn’t 100% where I want it to be right now - hence doing this journey and tracking it on the log. I’m off to a roughish start but things get dialled in from here… my latest care package arrived today from @Raptor Labs

My bloods come back Monday hopefully. Once elevated e2 is confirmed I’ll get onto an aromasin order so I can combat the side effects and we reduce the T back to 100mg twice a week and hold off the HCG and work out a dosing schedule that doesn’t spike e2 when I’m off the AI…

My work stress is something for me to deal with. I’m experienced in my field, I just need to work it out and find the time to do it to free up my time to train (it’s a chicken and egg argument isn’t it? Feel better from exercising to tackle work stress but work stress means you don’t wanna exercise…)

Anyway rant over. Resuming normal programming on Monday

@Atypical_CA we all have our hard days, you just have to push hard and get over those mental blocks broly thats how we do it in the iron game, no matter the day we get into the gym and push

 

[Atypical_CA]

Okay new data dump… bloods are back and let’s just say “nail, meet hammer…”. Money well spent through i-screen. Last T shot was a week prior the blood draw.

Aromasin on the way - Reta shots restart tomorrow AM. I’ll start a new gym program today (will post the caliber plan later). T shots restart as soon as the aromasin arrives… I need work out an appropriate duration to take it. I don’t want to be on AIs for too long. I’m thinking 4-6 weeks and retest the bloods. Slowly slowly…

 

[Atypical_CA]

More bloods data. Can only post 10 at a time

 

[Atypical_CA]

Last 9…

 

[rustle]

Sorry all - this logs on pause until further notice. I’ve got to secure my supply chain and deal with my side effects post blood results (had the blood draw today).

I’ve had two packages very delayed/disappeared from AusPost and nothing at the post office when I checked this morning so need to wait and see what happens and then consider changes to my regime (whether that includes a bulk order once I’ve locked down my supply issues) so sorry folks…

Very frustrated as I’ve run out of Reta on Monday and deliberately raised a new order before the raptor crew went on leave…

Life’s very shitty at the moment too. Work being stupid busy, no exercise, not wanting to exercise because legs hurt from the water weight… it’s a Michelin star shit sandwich…

Stay strong. We all have ups and downs. I find forcing myself to go lift or do cardio when I'm feeling my absolute worst always makes me feel better.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Okay new data dump… bloods are back and let’s just say “nail, meet hammer…”. Money well spent through i-screen. Last T shot was a week prior the blood draw.

Aromasin on the way - Reta shots restart tomorrow AM. I’ll start a new gym program today (will post the caliber plan later). T shots restart as soon as the aromasin arrives… I need work out an appropriate duration to take it. I don’t want to be on AIs for too long. I’m thinking 4-6 weeks and retest the bloods. Slowly slowly…

More bloods data. Can only post 10 at a time

Starting aromasin is a must asap, start with 25mgs ED for 1 week and switch to 12.5mgs eod for the week after, this is not good and other values not bad broly @Atypical_CA

 

[stevesmi]

More bloods data. Can only post 10 at a time

anything in the bloods that concern you? seems pretty standard for being on @Atypical_CA

 

[Atypical_CA]

anything in the bloods that concern you? seems pretty standard for being on @Atypical_CA

Absolutely zero concerns - just wanted to put the whole results up there because I’m happy to share at this stage (part of doing the log)

Just gotta get the e2 down… otherwise we carry on as planned

 

[Mobster]

I've said this before - I ALWAYS have an AI on hand. I NEVER wait for a problem to then have to fix it

 

[BodyMonster34]

Okay new data dump… bloods are back and let’s just say “nail, meet hammer…”. Money well spent through i-screen. Last T shot was a week prior the blood draw.

Aromasin on the way - Reta shots restart tomorrow AM. I’ll start a new gym program today (will post the caliber plan later). T shots restart as soon as the aromasin arrives… I need work out an appropriate duration to take it. I don’t want to be on AIs for too long. I’m thinking 4-6 weeks and retest the bloods. Slowly slowly…

bro you should see my bloods lol @Atypical_CA they look bad. @MONSTRO would be proud of my bloods though

 

[2Thick]

Absolutely zero concerns - just wanted to put the whole results up there because I’m happy to share at this stage (part of doing the log)

Just gotta get the e2 down… otherwise we carry on as planned

i think things are good. yeah work on that E2. its always an issue to watch @Atypical_CA

 

[Ulter]

Okay new data dump… bloods are back and let’s just say “nail, meet hammer…”. Money well spent through i-screen. Last T shot was a week prior the blood draw.

Aromasin on the way - Reta shots restart tomorrow AM. I’ll start a new gym program today (will post the caliber plan later). T shots restart as soon as the aromasin arrives… I need work out an appropriate duration to take it. I don’t want to be on AIs for too long. I’m thinking 4-6 weeks and retest the bloods. Slowly slowly…

great job on the blood work dump. lots of good #'s to stash. now down the line you can use it as a reference @Atypical_CA

 

[ceo]

Okay new data dump… bloods are back and let’s just say “nail, meet hammer…”. Money well spent through i-screen. Last T shot was a week prior the blood draw.

Aromasin on the way - Reta shots restart tomorrow AM. I’ll start a new gym program today (will post the caliber plan later). T shots restart as soon as the aromasin arrives… I need work out an appropriate duration to take it. I don’t want to be on AIs for too long. I’m thinking 4-6 weeks and retest the bloods. Slowly slowly…

bros you are looking good. @Atypical_CA sounds like a good plan. retest the bloods and go 6 weeks

 

[ROIDDERS]

Okay new data dump… bloods are back and let’s just say “nail, meet hammer…”. Money well spent through i-screen. Last T shot was a week prior the blood draw.

Aromasin on the way - Reta shots restart tomorrow AM. I’ll start a new gym program today (will post the caliber plan later). T shots restart as soon as the aromasin arrives… I need work out an appropriate duration to take it. I don’t want to be on AIs for too long. I’m thinking 4-6 weeks and retest the bloods. Slowly slowly…

great job on this update. you logged your bloods. now 3 months from now. 6 months from now. and beyond. you will have the bloodwork saved up! @Atypical_CA

 

[madcap71]

anything in the bloods that concern you? seems pretty standard for being on @Atypical_CA

Agreed. The only thing I see on there of concern is the LDL.
And if I wasn't seeing any symptoms of high E2, I wouldn't be overly concerned either

 

[25homes]

Start arom asap

 

[Atypical_CA]

Agreed. The only thing I see on there of concern is the LDL.
And if I wasn't seeing any symptoms of high E2, I wouldn't be overly concerned either

Got water weight on my legs at the moment so definitely getting e2 effects (smart scales also show shift from fat to water and net weight increase). Aromasin is on the way. Rookie mistake starting a cycle without it on hand

 

[LevButlerov]

Got water weight on my legs at the moment so definitely getting e2 effects (smart scales also show shift from fat to water and net weight increase). Aromasin is on the way. Rookie mistake starting a cycle without it on hand

Rookie mistake yes but this is why you have the EVO family to help @Atypical_CA post water retention pics please.

 

[Atypical_CA]

Rookie mistake yes but this is why you have the EVO family to help @Atypical_CA post water retention pics please.

You just wanted feet pics

What it’s showing as is bigger imprints/marks from socks and shoes after I’ve taken them off… the water is being displaced and settling on top of the garment… the bigger tell is in my scales data where water mass was increasing as % of total body weight… it was counterintuitive to what I was expecting to see from taking the Reta. Having years of cycling and natural genetics my legs are the most muscular part of my body - fat doesn’t gather there very much and certainly not enough to give me “cankles” prior to starting my TRT and Reta journey. There’s meant to be an ankle bone in that picture. Can barely see it at the moment.

Plus my face is still chubby/round… again expected something to have happened with the Reta after 6 weeks

 

[LevButlerov]

You just wanted feet pics

What it’s showing as is bigger imprints/marks from socks and shoes after I’ve taken them off… the water is being displaced and settling on top of the garment… the bigger tell is in my scales data where water mass was increasing as % of total body weight… it was counterintuitive to what I was expecting to see from taking the Reta. Having years of cycling and natural genetics my legs are the most muscular part of my body - fat doesn’t gather there very much and certainly not enough to give me “cankles” prior to starting my TRT and Reta journey. There’s meant to be an ankle bone in that picture. Can barely see it at the moment.

Plus my face is still chubby/round… again expected something to have happened with the Reta after 6 weeks

whats your sodium intake like? would be good to see on top of the estrogen intake. @Atypical_CA

 

[madcap71]

Got water weight on my legs at the moment so definitely getting e2 effects (smart scales also show shift from fat to water and net weight increase). Aromasin is on the way. Rookie mistake starting a cycle without it on hand

Taking the right actions then!

 

[Atypical_CA]

whats your sodium intake like? would be good to see on top of the estrogen intake. @Atypical_CA

It’s probably running a little high because Reta users have mentioned keeping electrolytes up… but I’ve probably gone early because that’s really applicable when the huge appetite suppression kicks in

Dunno if sodium was part of the blood work… probably not…

 

[LevButlerov]

It’s probably running a little high because Reta users have mentioned keeping electrolytes up… but I’ve probably gone early because that’s really applicable when the huge appetite suppression kicks in

Dunno if sodium was part of the blood work… probably not…

Start tracking your sodium if you can, would be good. @Atypical_CA

 

[Atypical_CA]

Start tracking your sodium if you can, would be good. @Atypical_CA

Is that done via food intake or bloods?

 

[LevButlerov]

Is that done via food intake or bloods?

Via food you eat, check how much salt you put in etc

 

[ballin2504]

Last 9…

@Atypical_CA im with Steve looks pretty standard for being on

 

[Atypical_CA]

Trying to get n2Guard today online and all my cards are getting declined. Anybody else experienced this??

 

[rustle]

Trying to get n2Guard today online and all my cards are getting declined. Anybody else experienced this??

Happened to me too. They ended up sending me a separate invoice.

 

[Atypical_CA]

Happened to me too. They ended up sending me a separate invoice.

Perfect. I’ve emailed them to suspect they’ll do the same

 

[LevButlerov]

Trying to get n2Guard today online and all my cards are getting declined. Anybody else experienced this??

@Atypical_CA, @rustle is correct email them after to get the order cleared up, I think they have a strict anti-fraud policy.

Perfect. I’ve emailed them to suspect they’ll do the same

Happened to me too. They ended up sending me a separate invoice.

 

[Atypical_CA]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

 

[LevButlerov]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

Welcome back to the EVO family @Atypical_CA
Bloods look solid now and you’ve clearly dialed in the Aromasin right. Big drop in E2 and prolactin plus holding test high is a win across the board. Body comp shift shows the stack is doing its job, dropping 10kg while keeping strength is proof. Diet is tight and simple but effective since Reta kills the appetite anyway. For the next 8 weeks I’d keep test at the lower end, use the clen/cardarine to drive conditioning, and just hammer that bike and upper sessions steady. Stick to logging food and training so you’ve got full accountability going into it.

 

[stevesmi]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

@Atypical_CA bicycling is pretty good. it can be low impact. make sure you invest in a quality seat and have your seat positioned at the right height so you don't put pressure on your hips and ankles

 

[Mobster]

''Reta fucking works.''

Stick the diet and activity and 100% it will

 

[BodyMonster34]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

bro how about red meat? i don't see you eating any of that. you need it @Atypical_CA

 

[2Thick]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

this is looking good. the proviron should help too @Atypical_CA let us know how your mood improves and in which way

 

[ceo]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

bros you looking sweet! i love the hardcore training @Atypical_CA keep pushing it to the max.

 

[ROIDDERS]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

good to see you got your estrogen under control. @Atypical_CA aromasin is a wise choice since its gentle. always keep your E on point from week 1

 

[Ulter]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

@Atypical_CA i've seen people use a lot of vitamin C. they say it helps with allergies. has that been your experience?

 

[Atypical_CA]

@Atypical_CA bicycling is pretty good. it can be low impact. make sure you invest in a quality seat and have your seat positioned at the right height so you don't put pressure on your hips and ankles

100%! I'm lucky I was an amateur crit racer in a former life so my bikefit is still on point

best advice to anybody thinking about taking up cycling; if you want to save your knees from running, get a good bike fit done if you're half serious. It'll save you a ton of joint and muscle injuries down the line

''Reta fucking works.''

Stick the diet and activity and 100% it will

Reta and the T are 100% the reason the diet has stuck... it's a game changer for those with really bad eating habits, the rest of the puzzle just falls in place after that

bro how about red meat? i don't see you eating any of that. you need it @Atypical_CA

yes 100% - I'm too brief on my diet, there's a casserole cycled through weekly, plus wraps/tacos once a week... I'll add a steak in there too to get upto 3 x per week. They're usually WFH days so I'm skipping lunch or breaky to even the calories out.

this is looking good. the proviron should help too @Atypical_CA let us know how your mood improves and in which way

The good thing about the proviron is I'm not feeling anything (that's the effect I'm looking for); I don't feel rundown, mentally laggy, clouded thinking, all that scrap when I'm really stressed. There's a constant thought in my mind that tells me "this is okay, you're not dead, you've got this, what's the next step?" and I get on with it... I'm 100% certain the T levels are mostly responsible for this, but the Proviron is helping as well (lets see after a few more weeks as levels inside the body keep increasing, it's been about 2-3 weeks so far)

I'm not the most social person out there either, so it's not making me the chattiest person on the planet and cutting a swathe through my office with the girls in marketing. I'd like to change that, but slowly-slowly catchy-monkey at this stage. Lets get the rig sorted first, fun and games after that.

good to see you got your estrogen under control. @Atypical_CA aromasin is a wise choice since its gentle. always keep your E on point from week 1

yes 100% - Aromasin should be bundled with anybody's first time Test order... I particularly like how I don't get the E2 rebound when you come off it, so I only really need to take it a day after a shot, that smooths the curve out enough

@Atypical_CA i've seen people use a lot of vitamin C. they say it helps with allergies. has that been your experience?

I take it every day, religiously. I've been lucky I've had a good immune system all my life, and anecdotally my whole work team has come down with Flu A in the last three weeks. I was last rat standing with no time off because I never got sick. Take that with a grain of salt but I'm exerting my superiority over my team with it


Folks appreciate the love - it just makes me want to work harder and keeping evo.org known for good effects on people who want to improve themselves

 

[stevesmi]

100%! I'm lucky I was an amateur crit racer in a former life so my bikefit is still on point

best advice to anybody thinking about taking up cycling; if you want to save your knees from running, get a good bike fit done if you're half serious. It'll save you a ton of joint and muscle injuries down the line


Reta and the T are 100% the reason the diet has stuck... it's a game changer for those with really bad eating habits, the rest of the puzzle just falls in place after that


yes 100% - I'm too brief on my diet, there's a casserole cycled through weekly, plus wraps/tacos once a week... I'll add a steak in there too to get upto 3 x per week. They're usually WFH days so I'm skipping lunch or breaky to even the calories out.


The good thing about the proviron is I'm not feeling anything (that's the effect I'm looking for); I don't feel rundown, mentally laggy, clouded thinking, all that scrap when I'm really stressed. There's a constant thought in my mind that tells me "this is okay, you're not dead, you've got this, what's the next step?" and I get on with it... I'm 100% certain the T levels are mostly responsible for this, but the Proviron is helping as well (lets see after a few more weeks as levels inside the body keep increasing, it's been about 2-3 weeks so far)

I'm not the most social person out there either, so it's not making me the chattiest person on the planet and cutting a swathe through my office with the girls in marketing. I'd like to change that, but slowly-slowly catchy-monkey at this stage. Lets get the rig sorted first, fun and games after that.


yes 100% - Aromasin should be bundled with anybody's first time Test order... I particularly like how I don't get the E2 rebound when you come off it, so I only really need to take it a day after a shot, that smooths the curve out enough


I take it every day, religiously. I've been lucky I've had a good immune system all my life, and anecdotally my whole work team has come down with Flu A in the last three weeks. I was last rat standing with no time off because I never got sick. Take that with a grain of salt but I'm exerting my superiority over my team with it


Folks appreciate the love - it just makes me want to work harder and keeping evo.org known for good effects on people who want to improve themselves

Yes I was taught proper bicycling by the Ironmen I would train with. Those older guys knew every trick in the book. I’m sure you have a lot to teach us on here as well

 

[LevButlerov]

100%! I'm lucky I was an amateur crit racer in a former life so my bikefit is still on point

best advice to anybody thinking about taking up cycling; if you want to save your knees from running, get a good bike fit done if you're half serious. It'll save you a ton of joint and muscle injuries down the line

You have a bike race pic for us?

 

[2Thick]

100%! I'm lucky I was an amateur crit racer in a former life so my bikefit is still on point

best advice to anybody thinking about taking up cycling; if you want to save your knees from running, get a good bike fit done if you're half serious. It'll save you a ton of joint and muscle injuries down the line


Reta and the T are 100% the reason the diet has stuck... it's a game changer for those with really bad eating habits, the rest of the puzzle just falls in place after that


yes 100% - I'm too brief on my diet, there's a casserole cycled through weekly, plus wraps/tacos once a week... I'll add a steak in there too to get upto 3 x per week. They're usually WFH days so I'm skipping lunch or breaky to even the calories out.


The good thing about the proviron is I'm not feeling anything (that's the effect I'm looking for); I don't feel rundown, mentally laggy, clouded thinking, all that scrap when I'm really stressed. There's a constant thought in my mind that tells me "this is okay, you're not dead, you've got this, what's the next step?" and I get on with it... I'm 100% certain the T levels are mostly responsible for this, but the Proviron is helping as well (lets see after a few more weeks as levels inside the body keep increasing, it's been about 2-3 weeks so far)

I'm not the most social person out there either, so it's not making me the chattiest person on the planet and cutting a swathe through my office with the girls in marketing. I'd like to change that, but slowly-slowly catchy-monkey at this stage. Lets get the rig sorted first, fun and games after that.


yes 100% - Aromasin should be bundled with anybody's first time Test order... I particularly like how I don't get the E2 rebound when you come off it, so I only really need to take it a day after a shot, that smooths the curve out enough


I take it every day, religiously. I've been lucky I've had a good immune system all my life, and anecdotally my whole work team has come down with Flu A in the last three weeks. I was last rat standing with no time off because I never got sick. Take that with a grain of salt but I'm exerting my superiority over my team with it


Folks appreciate the love - it just makes me want to work harder and keeping evo.org known for good effects on people who want to improve themselves

yeah proviron is a good one

 

[Ulter]

100%! I'm lucky I was an amateur crit racer in a former life so my bikefit is still on point

best advice to anybody thinking about taking up cycling; if you want to save your knees from running, get a good bike fit done if you're half serious. It'll save you a ton of joint and muscle injuries down the line


Reta and the T are 100% the reason the diet has stuck... it's a game changer for those with really bad eating habits, the rest of the puzzle just falls in place after that


yes 100% - I'm too brief on my diet, there's a casserole cycled through weekly, plus wraps/tacos once a week... I'll add a steak in there too to get upto 3 x per week. They're usually WFH days so I'm skipping lunch or breaky to even the calories out.


The good thing about the proviron is I'm not feeling anything (that's the effect I'm looking for); I don't feel rundown, mentally laggy, clouded thinking, all that scrap when I'm really stressed. There's a constant thought in my mind that tells me "this is okay, you're not dead, you've got this, what's the next step?" and I get on with it... I'm 100% certain the T levels are mostly responsible for this, but the Proviron is helping as well (lets see after a few more weeks as levels inside the body keep increasing, it's been about 2-3 weeks so far)

I'm not the most social person out there either, so it's not making me the chattiest person on the planet and cutting a swathe through my office with the girls in marketing. I'd like to change that, but slowly-slowly catchy-monkey at this stage. Lets get the rig sorted first, fun and games after that.


yes 100% - Aromasin should be bundled with anybody's first time Test order... I particularly like how I don't get the E2 rebound when you come off it, so I only really need to take it a day after a shot, that smooths the curve out enough


I take it every day, religiously. I've been lucky I've had a good immune system all my life, and anecdotally my whole work team has come down with Flu A in the last three weeks. I was last rat standing with no time off because I never got sick. Take that with a grain of salt but I'm exerting my superiority over my team with it


Folks appreciate the love - it just makes me want to work harder and keeping evo.org known for good effects on people who want to improve themselves

that works !

 

[ROIDDERS]

100%! I'm lucky I was an amateur crit racer in a former life so my bikefit is still on point

best advice to anybody thinking about taking up cycling; if you want to save your knees from running, get a good bike fit done if you're half serious. It'll save you a ton of joint and muscle injuries down the line


Reta and the T are 100% the reason the diet has stuck... it's a game changer for those with really bad eating habits, the rest of the puzzle just falls in place after that


yes 100% - I'm too brief on my diet, there's a casserole cycled through weekly, plus wraps/tacos once a week... I'll add a steak in there too to get upto 3 x per week. They're usually WFH days so I'm skipping lunch or breaky to even the calories out.


The good thing about the proviron is I'm not feeling anything (that's the effect I'm looking for); I don't feel rundown, mentally laggy, clouded thinking, all that scrap when I'm really stressed. There's a constant thought in my mind that tells me "this is okay, you're not dead, you've got this, what's the next step?" and I get on with it... I'm 100% certain the T levels are mostly responsible for this, but the Proviron is helping as well (lets see after a few more weeks as levels inside the body keep increasing, it's been about 2-3 weeks so far)

I'm not the most social person out there either, so it's not making me the chattiest person on the planet and cutting a swathe through my office with the girls in marketing. I'd like to change that, but slowly-slowly catchy-monkey at this stage. Lets get the rig sorted first, fun and games after that.


yes 100% - Aromasin should be bundled with anybody's first time Test order... I particularly like how I don't get the E2 rebound when you come off it, so I only really need to take it a day after a shot, that smooths the curve out enough


I take it every day, religiously. I've been lucky I've had a good immune system all my life, and anecdotally my whole work team has come down with Flu A in the last three weeks. I was last rat standing with no time off because I never got sick. Take that with a grain of salt but I'm exerting my superiority over my team with it


Folks appreciate the love - it just makes me want to work harder and keeping evo.org known for good effects on people who want to improve themselves

yes for sure

 

[Atypical_CA]

I was a good boy today and yesterday:

Saturday:

Breakfast - three eggs & double shot flat white
Lunch - Chobani yoghurt after a ride workout
Dinner - little naughty; six fried wings and a small fries

Workout was an hour on the trainer - did a fitness test to see where I was starting my eight week push. Maybe a 6/10 on effort, burned 230 cal so better than nothing.

Meds ons Saturday (pre workout)
10mg Cardarine
10mg Anavar
10mcg Clen

Sunday
- breakfast was light, only a double shot flat white because feeling full from dinner still
- lunch was a protein shake with milk after gym workout
- dinner was tacos (Father’s Day treat) homemade, no crap, just seasoned meat, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber and cheese. Definitely skipping breakfast tomorrow now

Meds:
We start the clen cut proper
- 20mcg clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 80mg Test E

These were all pre workout whilst I went to work on my little girly T-Rex arms…

Gym workout in pix (don’t laugh at my low weights… okay laugh a little )

 

[Noah Wixx]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

Im excited to try retatrutide during my first actual cut this year

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

I was a good boy today and yesterday:

Saturday:

Breakfast - three eggs & double shot flat white
Lunch - Chobani yoghurt after a ride workout
Dinner - little naughty; six fried wings and a small fries

Workout was an hour on the trainer - did a fitness test to see where I was starting my eight week push. Maybe a 6/10 on effort, burned 230 cal so better than nothing.

Meds ons Saturday (pre workout)
10mg Cardarine
10mg Anavar
10mcg Clen

Sunday
- breakfast was light, only a double shot flat white because feeling full from dinner still
- lunch was a protein shake with milk after gym workout
- dinner was tacos (Father’s Day treat) homemade, no crap, just seasoned meat, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber and cheese. Definitely skipping breakfast tomorrow now

Meds:
We start the clen cut proper
- 20mcg clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 80mg Test E

These were all pre workout whilst I went to work on my little girly T-Rex arms…

Gym workout in pix (don’t laugh at my low weights… okay laugh a little )

@Atypical_CA Good updates man........

 

[Atypical_CA]

Im excited to try retatrutide during my first actual cut this year

Can’t recommend it enough!

 

[LevButlerov]

Can’t recommend it enough!

Retatrutide is the real deal for sure

 

[Atypical_CA]

Okay, yesterday did SST on the bike (basically a sub-threshold power for 45 mins style for cardio & muscles)

This morning I’m a tad sore on my shoulders and chest ( aching like a mf to be honest) so delayed the pull gym session by a day.

Question for the experienced/experts; any logic to putting back the 40mg of Test with Deca for joint relief to run 2:1 Test/Deca?

 

[LevButlerov]

Okay, yesterday did SST on the bike (basically a sub-threshold power for 45 mins style for cardio & muscles)

This morning I’m a tad sore on my shoulders and chest ( aching like a mf to be honest) so delayed the pull gym session by a day.

Question for the experienced/experts; any logic to putting back the 40mg of Test with Deca for joint relief to run 2:1 Test/Deca?

did you do yoga stretch today AM? @Atypical_CA

you can add the test dica mix but why not add bpc/tb?

 

[Atypical_CA]

did you do yoga stretch today AM? @Atypical_CA

you can add the test dica mix but why not add bpc/tb?

I’m open to that too I suppose. Would prefer to run a glow blend in that case (minus the TB)… but if I’m moving to HGH in 8-10 weeks why complicate things with ghk/bpc and just do a mini run of Deca?

 

[LevButlerov]

I’m open to that too I suppose. Would prefer to run a glow blend in that case (minus the TB)… but if I’m moving to HGH in 8-10 weeks why complicate things with ghk/bpc and just do a mini run of Deca?

HGH is fine to stack deep with bpc tb, but deca is not going to do anything for joints just bloat you, what works on joints is bpc157 and tb500 actually proven to.

 

[ballin2504]

So it's been a while since my last update... back in July bloods came back with elevated E2 so got straight onto Aromasin and dropped my HCG shots to fortnightly for 500iu. Aromasin doses have been:
- 25mg per day first week since late July
- 12.5mg per day first three weeks of August
- Last three weeks have been specifically 12.5mg the day after my Test pin to stop aromatisation at the peak of T levels post-injection
My workouts have dropped off the face of the earth due to work stress and life general. This week is the first time I've had time to consider what I'm going to do so plan to be outlined below. I've got a work event/ride in eight weeks' time so considering doing a challenge to try and build what I can in the next eight weeks ... no excuses...

Bloods after six weeks of adjusting all the above and it's pretty good...
- Total Test at 54.7nmol/L (up from 42.5)
- SHBG at 25 (up from 20)
- Oestradiol 124pmol/L (down from 256) - the fact this has been halved is a major goal for me... feels good to be doing something right
- Prolactin 146 mIU/L (down from 210)
- IGF-1 25 nmol/L (down from 42)
- Total Cholesterol 5.1mmol/L (steady from 5.1) I'd like this lower...
- LDL 3.5 mmol/L (down from 3.6) I want this lower...
everything else is normal... so winner-winner

There has been significant change in my body composition during all of this... Reta fucking works... still more squishy than I want to be but a lot less fat. Down 10kg and counting.

Diet at the moment looks like:
- Double shot flat white in the morning
- 160g tub of Chobani yoghurt or three scrambled eggs
- Two mandarins
- I usually buy a Bhan Mi for lunch
- Dinner when I get home is either veges or a cup of soup (by this time I've got zero appetite from the Reta)
- I don't snack, I don't drink anything with sugar. If I need a mental boost its coke zero or a white monster
- I get about 4-5L of water in a day too

I'm running a decent calorie deficit on the above but I'm feeling no ill effects and the bloods are all clean. Another win.

Stack has looked like this:
- Reta at 1mg twice weekly in July, 1.5mg 2x week in August and now running 2mg twice weekly since start of September...
- Test at ~200mg a week steady
- Added 25mg daily Proviron as a compliment to the Test and for mood enhancement
- Four pills of N2Guard a day
- 10mg creatine daily
- 5000mg Vit C (because why not)

Now we start to get serious:

1. Regimen tweaks
- I think I might cut the Test down to 120-150 per week and see how things go with a complimentary injectable or oral (I got some oral clen recently, might do the old fashioned clen/anavar/cardarine cut)
- The mind goes towards what I can supplement the Test with but I don't want to do anything too drastic at this stage, the above clen cut might be enough and if I'm keen to I'll see what HGH can do with lower doses over long term (say 2IU's EoD) once this eight weeks is done


Work outs:
- The aim right now is to get on the bike and build up some decent cardio endurance (the cardarine was the main tool for this) - so looking for three days a week on the bike for legs and cardio
- Another three days a week in the gym doing upper body & arms; I've got a taste of what being slimmer and fitter is, now I want good arms and chest (yes I'm being vain, I don't care)

I'll put detail in a later post as I do workouts - this update is long enough. Will log food and stuff every other day so I'm held accountable. Lets put some muscle on this old rig

@Atypical_CA nice to have you back logging again really glad to see it

 

[Atypical_CA]

@Atypical_CA nice to have you back logging again really glad to see it

Thanks for the love mate - it’s keeping me going

4am start today for a gym sesh - bloody clen or something is building muscle overnight on me… gotta build those little T-Rex arms

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for the love mate - it’s keeping me going

4am start today for a gym sesh - bloody clen or something is building muscle overnight on me… gotta build those little T-Rex arms

Those are going to grow lets work them

 

[Atypical_CA]

Update on the last 48 hours: still making forward progress. No 4am gym session this morning; WFH today so sneaking out for a midday Push session... the clen cut taken pre-WO

Today's doses:
- 2mg Reta
- 5 N2Guard
- 25mg Proviron
- 20mcg Clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 5000mg Vit C
- 100mg asprin
- 10g Creatine
- 12.5mg Aromasin (yesterday did 100mg Test E)

I've reached out to @Wolfenstein for some Glow 70 to get BPC & TB for the joints (in addition to a mental performance stack I'm working through & researching) - so that's on the way.

I'd love some feedback on the workout (this is adapted from a Push Calibre routine, I've added the cable twist because I want to add obliques given I don't do abs on the bike):
- Dumbbell incline bench press (warmup)
- Dumbbell incline bench press 3 x 8-10 reps
- Machine Shoulder Press 3 x 8-10 reps (this one I'm questioning because it feels like a stretch to reach the handles and I think I'm upsetting my shoulder joints - bad posture probably doesn't help flexibility here) - my thoughts are maybe swapping out for just a dumbbell shoulder press??
- Cable seated fly 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Cable tricep pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-10

Pull day on Sunday will be:
- Dumbbell deadlift 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell bent over row 3 x 8-10
- Cable lat pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell hammer curl 3 x 8-10
- Barbell preacher curl 3 x 8-10 (this one I found very tough on Wed morning, either the weight was too much or I've got really bad technique, thinking just swapping out to a std dumbbell curl)
- Dumbbell reverse wrist curl 3 x 8-10


Will do a weigh in and some update photos over the weekend...

 

[LevButlerov]

I'd love some feedback on the workout (this is adapted from a Push Calibre routine, I've added the cable twist because I want to add obliques given I don't do abs on the bike):
- Dumbbell incline bench press (warmup)
- Dumbbell incline bench press 3 x 8-10 reps
- Machine Shoulder Press 3 x 8-10 reps (this one I'm questioning because it feels like a stretch to reach the handles and I think I'm upsetting my shoulder joints - bad posture probably doesn't help flexibility here) - my thoughts are maybe swapping out for just a dumbbell shoulder press??
- Cable seated fly 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Cable tricep pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-10

Pull day on Sunday will be:
- Dumbbell deadlift 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell bent over row 3 x 8-10
- Cable lat pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell hammer curl 3 x 8-10
- Barbell preacher curl 3 x 8-10 (this one I found very tough on Wed morning, either the weight was too much or I've got really bad technique, thinking just swapping out to a std dumbbell curl)
- Dumbbell reverse wrist curl 3 x 8-10


Will do a weigh in and some update photos over the weekend...

@Atypical_CA that push day looks solid but I’d push the volume up into the 15–20 rep range on a few of those, especially the later isolation moves like lateral raises and cable fly. Higher reps there will give you more time under tension and less joint stress. For the shoulder press, dumbbells are a good call if the machine setup is awkward on your joints. Pull day looks balanced, but on the preacher curl I’d keep it lighter and slow until you dial in form before swapping it out. Updates with photos will help track if the extra volume is giving you the results you want.

Update on the last 48 hours: still making forward progress. No 4am gym session this morning; WFH today so sneaking out for a midday Push session... the clen cut taken pre-WO

Today's doses:
- 2mg Reta
- 5 N2Guard
- 25mg Proviron
- 20mcg Clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 5000mg Vit C
- 100mg asprin
- 10g Creatine
- 12.5mg Aromasin (yesterday did 100mg Test E)

I've reached out to @Wolfenstein for some Glow 70 to get BPC & TB for the joints (in addition to a mental performance stack I'm working through & researching) - so that's on the way.

Good progress push it

 

[stevesmi]

Update on the last 48 hours: still making forward progress. No 4am gym session this morning; WFH today so sneaking out for a midday Push session... the clen cut taken pre-WO

Today's doses:
- 2mg Reta
- 5 N2Guard
- 25mg Proviron
- 20mcg Clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 5000mg Vit C
- 100mg asprin
- 10g Creatine
- 12.5mg Aromasin (yesterday did 100mg Test E)

I've reached out to @Wolfenstein for some Glow 70 to get BPC & TB for the joints (in addition to a mental performance stack I'm working through & researching) - so that's on the way.

I'd love some feedback on the workout (this is adapted from a Push Calibre routine, I've added the cable twist because I want to add obliques given I don't do abs on the bike):
- Dumbbell incline bench press (warmup)
- Dumbbell incline bench press 3 x 8-10 reps
- Machine Shoulder Press 3 x 8-10 reps (this one I'm questioning because it feels like a stretch to reach the handles and I think I'm upsetting my shoulder joints - bad posture probably doesn't help flexibility here) - my thoughts are maybe swapping out for just a dumbbell shoulder press??
- Cable seated fly 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Cable tricep pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-10

Pull day on Sunday will be:
- Dumbbell deadlift 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell bent over row 3 x 8-10
- Cable lat pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell hammer curl 3 x 8-10
- Barbell preacher curl 3 x 8-10 (this one I found very tough on Wed morning, either the weight was too much or I've got really bad technique, thinking just swapping out to a std dumbbell curl)
- Dumbbell reverse wrist curl 3 x 8-10


Will do a weigh in and some update photos over the weekend...

its always nice to work from home. Not having to worry about commuting. Goes a long way. It frees up more time. @Atypical_CA

 

[BodyMonster34]

Update on the last 48 hours: still making forward progress. No 4am gym session this morning; WFH today so sneaking out for a midday Push session... the clen cut taken pre-WO

Today's doses:
- 2mg Reta
- 5 N2Guard
- 25mg Proviron
- 20mcg Clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 5000mg Vit C
- 100mg asprin
- 10g Creatine
- 12.5mg Aromasin (yesterday did 100mg Test E)

I've reached out to @Wolfenstein for some Glow 70 to get BPC & TB for the joints (in addition to a mental performance stack I'm working through & researching) - so that's on the way.

I'd love some feedback on the workout (this is adapted from a Push Calibre routine, I've added the cable twist because I want to add obliques given I don't do abs on the bike):
- Dumbbell incline bench press (warmup)
- Dumbbell incline bench press 3 x 8-10 reps
- Machine Shoulder Press 3 x 8-10 reps (this one I'm questioning because it feels like a stretch to reach the handles and I think I'm upsetting my shoulder joints - bad posture probably doesn't help flexibility here) - my thoughts are maybe swapping out for just a dumbbell shoulder press??
- Cable seated fly 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Cable tricep pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-10

Pull day on Sunday will be:
- Dumbbell deadlift 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell bent over row 3 x 8-10
- Cable lat pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell hammer curl 3 x 8-10
- Barbell preacher curl 3 x 8-10 (this one I found very tough on Wed morning, either the weight was too much or I've got really bad technique, thinking just swapping out to a std dumbbell curl)
- Dumbbell reverse wrist curl 3 x 8-10


Will do a weigh in and some update photos over the weekend...

bro you looking good if you ask me. lot of good volume. that is kicking ass right here @Atypical_CA

 

[Atypical_CA]

@Atypical_CA that push day looks solid but I’d push the volume up into the 15–20 rep range on a few of those, especially the later isolation moves like lateral raises and cable fly. Higher reps there will give you more time under tension and less joint stress. For the shoulder press, dumbbells are a good call if the machine setup is awkward on your joints. Pull day looks balanced, but on the preacher curl I’d keep it lighter and slow until you dial in form before swapping it out. Updates with photos will help track if the extra volume is giving you the results you want.


Good progress push it

Adding volume on lighter weight was an absolute masterstroke was able to push to exhaustion, but I’m not sore or felt like I’ve done damage to anything

 

[Mobster]

What is 'WFH today'? Work from home?

 

[Atypical_CA]

What is 'WFH today'? Work from home?

Correct; work from home

Got out for a decent 60+ mins workout this afternoon so kept myself honest

 

[ceo]

Update on the last 48 hours: still making forward progress. No 4am gym session this morning; WFH today so sneaking out for a midday Push session... the clen cut taken pre-WO

Today's doses:
- 2mg Reta
- 5 N2Guard
- 25mg Proviron
- 20mcg Clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 5000mg Vit C
- 100mg asprin
- 10g Creatine
- 12.5mg Aromasin (yesterday did 100mg Test E)

I've reached out to @Wolfenstein for some Glow 70 to get BPC & TB for the joints (in addition to a mental performance stack I'm working through & researching) - so that's on the way.

I'd love some feedback on the workout (this is adapted from a Push Calibre routine, I've added the cable twist because I want to add obliques given I don't do abs on the bike):
- Dumbbell incline bench press (warmup)
- Dumbbell incline bench press 3 x 8-10 reps
- Machine Shoulder Press 3 x 8-10 reps (this one I'm questioning because it feels like a stretch to reach the handles and I think I'm upsetting my shoulder joints - bad posture probably doesn't help flexibility here) - my thoughts are maybe swapping out for just a dumbbell shoulder press??
- Cable seated fly 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Cable tricep pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-10

Pull day on Sunday will be:
- Dumbbell deadlift 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell bent over row 3 x 8-10
- Cable lat pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell hammer curl 3 x 8-10
- Barbell preacher curl 3 x 8-10 (this one I found very tough on Wed morning, either the weight was too much or I've got really bad technique, thinking just swapping out to a std dumbbell curl)
- Dumbbell reverse wrist curl 3 x 8-10


Will do a weigh in and some update photos over the weekend...

@Atypical_CA bros you pumping it nicely now. the PED's look good. i like the weight training. its the way i like it

 

[ROIDDERS]

Update on the last 48 hours: still making forward progress. No 4am gym session this morning; WFH today so sneaking out for a midday Push session... the clen cut taken pre-WO

Today's doses:
- 2mg Reta
- 5 N2Guard
- 25mg Proviron
- 20mcg Clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 5000mg Vit C
- 100mg asprin
- 10g Creatine
- 12.5mg Aromasin (yesterday did 100mg Test E)

I've reached out to @Wolfenstein for some Glow 70 to get BPC & TB for the joints (in addition to a mental performance stack I'm working through & researching) - so that's on the way.

I'd love some feedback on the workout (this is adapted from a Push Calibre routine, I've added the cable twist because I want to add obliques given I don't do abs on the bike):
- Dumbbell incline bench press (warmup)
- Dumbbell incline bench press 3 x 8-10 reps
- Machine Shoulder Press 3 x 8-10 reps (this one I'm questioning because it feels like a stretch to reach the handles and I think I'm upsetting my shoulder joints - bad posture probably doesn't help flexibility here) - my thoughts are maybe swapping out for just a dumbbell shoulder press??
- Cable seated fly 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Cable tricep pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-10

Pull day on Sunday will be:
- Dumbbell deadlift 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell bent over row 3 x 8-10
- Cable lat pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell hammer curl 3 x 8-10
- Barbell preacher curl 3 x 8-10 (this one I found very tough on Wed morning, either the weight was too much or I've got really bad technique, thinking just swapping out to a std dumbbell curl)
- Dumbbell reverse wrist curl 3 x 8-10


Will do a weigh in and some update photos over the weekend...

@Atypical_CA i love the iron training. it is looking good! keep grinding that training

 

[Ulter]

Update on the last 48 hours: still making forward progress. No 4am gym session this morning; WFH today so sneaking out for a midday Push session... the clen cut taken pre-WO

Today's doses:
- 2mg Reta
- 5 N2Guard
- 25mg Proviron
- 20mcg Clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 5000mg Vit C
- 100mg asprin
- 10g Creatine
- 12.5mg Aromasin (yesterday did 100mg Test E)

I've reached out to @Wolfenstein for some Glow 70 to get BPC & TB for the joints (in addition to a mental performance stack I'm working through & researching) - so that's on the way.

I'd love some feedback on the workout (this is adapted from a Push Calibre routine, I've added the cable twist because I want to add obliques given I don't do abs on the bike):
- Dumbbell incline bench press (warmup)
- Dumbbell incline bench press 3 x 8-10 reps
- Machine Shoulder Press 3 x 8-10 reps (this one I'm questioning because it feels like a stretch to reach the handles and I think I'm upsetting my shoulder joints - bad posture probably doesn't help flexibility here) - my thoughts are maybe swapping out for just a dumbbell shoulder press??
- Cable seated fly 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Cable tricep pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-10

Pull day on Sunday will be:
- Dumbbell deadlift 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell bent over row 3 x 8-10
- Cable lat pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell hammer curl 3 x 8-10
- Barbell preacher curl 3 x 8-10 (this one I found very tough on Wed morning, either the weight was too much or I've got really bad technique, thinking just swapping out to a std dumbbell curl)
- Dumbbell reverse wrist curl 3 x 8-10


Will do a weigh in and some update photos over the weekend...

@Atypical_CA the weight training looks good man. solid work on this. i got a lot of respect for the training

 

[2Thick]

Update on the last 48 hours: still making forward progress. No 4am gym session this morning; WFH today so sneaking out for a midday Push session... the clen cut taken pre-WO

Today's doses:
- 2mg Reta
- 5 N2Guard
- 25mg Proviron
- 20mcg Clen
- 40mg Anavar
- 20mg Cardarine
- 5000mg Vit C
- 100mg asprin
- 10g Creatine
- 12.5mg Aromasin (yesterday did 100mg Test E)

I've reached out to @Wolfenstein for some Glow 70 to get BPC & TB for the joints (in addition to a mental performance stack I'm working through & researching) - so that's on the way.

I'd love some feedback on the workout (this is adapted from a Push Calibre routine, I've added the cable twist because I want to add obliques given I don't do abs on the bike):
- Dumbbell incline bench press (warmup)
- Dumbbell incline bench press 3 x 8-10 reps
- Machine Shoulder Press 3 x 8-10 reps (this one I'm questioning because it feels like a stretch to reach the handles and I think I'm upsetting my shoulder joints - bad posture probably doesn't help flexibility here) - my thoughts are maybe swapping out for just a dumbbell shoulder press??
- Cable seated fly 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Cable tricep pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-10

Pull day on Sunday will be:
- Dumbbell deadlift 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell bent over row 3 x 8-10
- Cable lat pulldown 3 x 8-10
- Cable twist 3 x 8-10
- Dumbbell hammer curl 3 x 8-10
- Barbell preacher curl 3 x 8-10 (this one I found very tough on Wed morning, either the weight was too much or I've got really bad technique, thinking just swapping out to a std dumbbell curl)
- Dumbbell reverse wrist curl 3 x 8-10


Will do a weigh in and some update photos over the weekend...

good job hitting the n2guard with all those orals. a good trick is take the n2guard 90-120 minutes away from the orals. this way there is no interference @Atypical_CA