After Pregnyl use

[Yni]

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Quick reminder; after my testo+deca cycle, I was trying to back to my natural levels. Doctor gave me pregnyl and I used it for 8 weeks, every week 1 injection of 2500 iu pregnyl. Below my blood work 1 week after the last injection.

LH: 1,5
FSH : 0,6
Estrogen : 16
Prolactin : 22
Total Testo : 4


Doctor wanted me to wait for 2 months without using anything such as tamoxifen or clomid and we will check the blood levels again, despite I have insistently asked him about Tamoxifen use to increase my LH and FSH !!! He said "No !!! do not use anything, you can use tamoxifen if both LH and FSH is still at the bottom after 2 months."

What do you think guys ? Should I listen professor or I should start to use Tamoxifen, because after two months, it may cause my testisles to shrink, I dont know, what do you think ?

 

[muskate]

This is a perfect example of why I DONT like HCG.

HCG increases both testosterone and estrogen when you use it. The problem is that it also suppresses your natural testosterone production, LH and FSH. When you stop taking the HCG, your estrogen will remain high, but your testosterone, LH and FSH will all drop down to next to nothing. Exactly as shown in your blood work.

If you are working with a doctor then I would do as he said but personally if I was helping you I wouldn't have had you use HCG at all in the first place and instead use clomid + a good natural testosterone booster such as HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com.
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Cycle-Support-c26/HCGenerate-ES-p238.html

 

[Yni]

This is a perfect example of why I DONT like HCG.

HCG increases both testosterone and estrogen when you use it. The problem is that it also suppresses your natural testosterone production, LH and FSH. When you stop taking the HCG, your estrogen will remain high, but your testosterone, LH and FSH will all drop down to next to nothing. Exactly as shown in your blood work.

If you are working with a doctor then I would do as he said but personally if I was helping you I wouldn't have had you use HCG at all in the first place and instead use clomid + a good natural testosterone booster such as HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com.
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Cycle-Support-c26/HCGenerate-ES-p238.html

Some articles says Nolvadex is much better than Clomid when it comes to increase LH and FSH because of some reasons such as LH precision in testicles. What do you think ?

 

[stevesmi]

Some articles says Nolvadex is much better than Clomid when it comes to increase LH and FSH because of some reasons such as LH precision in testicles. What do you think ?

they are both SERM's which will increase LH and FSH.. however keep in mind it is TEMPORARILY while they are in your system. once you stop taking them your LH and FSH will drop anyway.

there is no such thing as 'restarting' or 'kickstarting' your HPTA, the only way it will recover is on its own.. now the point of pct is to provide a soft landing while your body is recovering. but continueing to play with your hormones just isn't smart. hcg should never be ran in pct! it is suppressive!

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Unfortunately this shows exactly why we say that HCG is no good to run. The estrogen rebound is not something you want. I like Muskate's idea of adding clomid and a natural test booster. I would go with HCGenerate ES from ntbm.com

 

[Yni]

Unfortunately this shows exactly why we say that HCG is no good to run. The estrogen rebound is not something you want. I like Muskate's idea of adding clomid and a natural test booster. I would go with HCGenerate ES from ntbm.com

There is no HCGenerate ES in my country. What would be an alternative supplement instead of it ?

 

[s-tren-gth]

Hello guys,

You can remember me from my two other topics. Here >>> http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...mportant-question-about-my-pct-!!!-39500.html
Here >>> http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/breast-pain-!!!-40598.html
and here >>> http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/when-take-pregnyl-41024.html



Quick reminder; after my testo+deca cycle, I was trying to back to my natural levels. Doctor gave me pregnyl and I used it for 8 weeks, every week 1 injection of 2500 iu pregnyl. Below my blood work 1 week after the last injection.

LH: 1,5
FSH : 0,6
Estrogen : 16
Prolactin : 22
Total Testo : 4


Doctor wanted me to wait for 2 months without using anything such as tamoxifen or clomid and we will check the blood levels again, despite I have insistently asked him about Tamoxifen use to increase my LH and FSH !!! He said "No !!! do not use anything, you can use tamoxifen if both LH and FSH is still at the bottom after 2 months."

What do you think guys ? Should I listen professor or I should start to use Tamoxifen, because after two months, it may cause my testisles to shrink, I dont know, what do you think ?

Please post the ranges for bloodwork.
HCG increases natural test but may lower LH and FSH even more. That's why HCG is only used for 16 days in the poWer PCT program.
It looks like only Clomid or Nolva can increase both T and LH/FSH in the long run but most doctors don't know anything about it.
You can try to print the study where 25 mg clomid boosts T and see if your doctor agrees.
You may need to slowly taper down HCG for a couple months while using Clomid or Nolva at the same time.

 

[Yni]

Please post the ranges for bloodwork.
HCG increases natural test but may lower LH and FSH even more. That's why HCG is only used for 16 days in the poWer PCT program.
It looks like only Clomid or Nolva can increase both T and LH/FSH in the long run but most doctors don't know anything about it.
You can try to print the study where 25 mg clomid boosts T and see if your doctor agrees.
You may need to slowly taper down HCG for a couple months while using Clomid or Nolva at the same time.

Professor said that he have no idea about these PCT recipes on the internet. I told him about Clomid and Nolvadex, he just said that there is no such medically approved treatments and therefore he cant suggest such drugs to use. Then I told him more about body builders and their experiences, then he said OK maybe I can give you Nolvadex alone to use but not now, 2 months later if my blood levels are still stuck in the bottom line. My last blood work was done in Universty and I lost the paper but I remember all the numbers correctly, I just dont remember non whole numbers.

LH : 1,5 (it should be lowest 0,6 and highest 12)

FSH : 0,6 (should be lowest 1,00 and highest 12)

Estrogen : 16 ( should be between 11 and 44)

Prolactin : 22 ( should be between 3,5 and 19,5)

Total Testo : 4 ( should be between 2,8 and 8)

These are the ranges of the Universty laboratory.

Currently I dont use HCG (pregnyl). I used it 1500 iu and just one shot each week. Totaly 8 weeks. So 8 shots.