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Heys guys!!!

I'm considering running a test only cycle of 400 mgs a week. I'm 31 6 feet tall and 212 pounds. I am currently sitting at 12.5 percent body fat. I am on trt and bloods came back normal recently. I am currently taking 200mgs a week. I was wondering folks thoughts on testosterone and keeping the heart healthy? What do you guys who have run a long time do?

I've run a few cycles in the past to include a deca/test and test only cycles but it's been about 5 years. I do train regularly and have for years now. No major injuries thus far and check my BP every day. Its as good normal range as well.
 
Sorry forgot to add: I'm on 12.5 mgs of aromasin eod. So my proposed cycle would be 400mg of test Cyp a week and 12.5 mgs of aromasin as I have been taking it. I eat well and looking at increasing calories to about 4000 once I start. Let me thoughts.

Is Gw needed for the cycle? I have contemplated it but didnt want to bog down the cycle with multiple compounds until some of the Pro's chime in.

I'm looking to gain about 15 lbs on the Cycle!
 
Was never prescribed and endo has not seen a reason why. It's an interesting thought but reasoning?

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I'd like the more experienced guys to chime in here. There are a ton of mixed thoughts on Hcg and its relevance to smaller cycles like mine. Its mild compared to some of the others 3 plus compound ones out there.

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I've read a few cycles just today where there is not a single use of hcg even mentioned.
 
When you do anabolics your pituitary gland will shut off your Luteinizing hormone & Follicle stimulating hormone (LH & FSH) production. This will stop the production of testosterone in the testicles. HCG replicates FSH which helps also helps fertility.
 
swolelife said:
Sorry forgot to add: I'm on 12.5 mgs of aromasin eod. So my proposed cycle would be 400mg of test Cyp a week and 12.5 mgs of aromasin as I have been taking it. I eat well and looking at increasing calories to about 4000 once I start. Let me thoughts.

Is Gw needed for the cycle? I have contemplated it but didnt want to bog down the cycle with multiple compounds until some of the Pro's chime in.

I'm looking to gain about 15 lbs on the Cycle!
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You don’t need hcg or GW. Will GW hurt you? No. I use it. Love it. I would maybe bring the aromasin to e3d. Maybe add some proviron.
 
Do you think adding hcg would hurt? What about dose for proviron ? Any questions? Any one have any issues with the cycle? I am looking for long term heart health as well. What do you guys think?
 
swolelife said:
Heys guys!!!

I'm considering running a test only cycle of 400 mgs a week. I'm 31 6 feet tall and 212 pounds. I am currently sitting at 12.5 percent body fat. I am on trt and bloods came back normal recently. I am currently taking 200mgs a week. I was wondering folks thoughts on testosterone and keeping the heart healthy? What do you guys who have run a long time do?

I've run a few cycles in the past to include a deca/test and test only cycles but it's been about 5 years. I do train regularly and have for years now. No major injuries thus far and check my BP every day. Its as good normal range as well.
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Given you by a doc?
 
Yes my trt is doc prescribed. Has wanted me on 300 every two weeks but off record he has been fine with my once weekly administered 200mgs of cyp. It is pharma grade.
 
swolelife said:
Yes my trt is doc prescribed. Has wanted me on 300 every two weeks but off record he has been fine with my once weekly administered 200mgs of cyp. It is pharma grade.
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If he is fine with any of this off record that is an issue and time to see a real doctor. 300 every two weeks is a bit odd. Blood levels don’t stay stable enough.
 
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swolelife said:
Yes my trt is doc prescribed. Has wanted me on 300 every two weeks but off record he has been fine with my once weekly administered 200mgs of cyp. It is pharma grade.
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you don't want your test levels too high either. 200mg a week is typically too much

this will cause unwanted side effects.
 
swolelife said:
Yes my trt is doc prescribed. Has wanted me on 300 every two weeks but off record he has been fine with my once weekly administered 200mgs of cyp. It is pharma grade.
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if your regular TRT dosage is 300mg every 2 weeks then I would do 150mg/week.

The goal of TRT is to keep your levels in the normal range, just on the upper side of the normal range. 200mg/week will probably bump your levels up higher then the normal range
 
Working on new doc for sure!! I am actually planning on lowering my trt 125-150 mgs. I know what 200 yields me a week!! Should I go to a 300 mg a week test cycle?
 
ocman said:
You do, if you want to prevent permanent shutdown...
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Exactly the opposite my friend......HCG is actually suppressive and worse for recovery than not using it. I would recommend reading Steve's articles on this site on the subject. HCG in no way prevents shut down. Impossible.
 
Hcg was not even a thought for my doc. He said does more harm than good. Has anyone used a crazy pct after a long term trt usage and recovered? I'm interested in this. One day it might come to getting off God forbid. What do you guys do to keep the sperm count up and to reproduce?
 
I have been on TRT for a few years and not once has my dr even suggested. It is not used during TRT, and as the ruler of Hollywood hills stated “NEVER” is it used with TRT!


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When you go on TRT, the idea is you don't need your nuts anymore 'cuz they're not pumping enough juice already. So once on TRT, there's no need to bother with PCT or HCG.

However I did because I new back then 10 years ago that a day would come when I would want to have children, and it did come and it worked.
When I was started on TRT, I would stop it every once in a while for a few months and run a PCT, and I would occasionally use a vial of HCG while on TRT. That was the first 2 or 3 years, then I cruised and blasted for about 5 years straight and finally came off. It took me a few years to recover to my pre TRT state, before got my wifey pregnant, the sperm results came back A+, everything was in a very good range, motility, count, volume, whatever else they measured, everything was good, and I know for a fact that I was nearly sterile after I stopped cruising/blasting because I have a microscope and I know how to use it.

What I did to recover? I run a number of PCT cycles with HCG/nolva/clomid and proviron every once in a while without running any steroid cycles.
 
I'm just curious ya know. I want to protect the heart and live a long life for my two little ones. So much misinformation out there. Do you feel 400mgs for a cycle first in a while is good or should I got to 500?
 
400 is good enough, the less it is, the less unwanted side effects. If your test is in 200mg/ml then to make it simple you will inject 2cc.
As someone else suggested, you could add proviron to your cycle, it has many favorable properties, for once it is a very mild AI so you may not need to run as much of Aromasin as you do now , 2nd it will bind to SHBG which will increase free testosterone, then it will add strength, muscle hardness, libido and give you a sense of well being. You can take up to 100mg (4 tabs) a day but 1-2 tabs is usually enough.
 
400mg/week of test is a good starter cycle. Plan for your PCT at the end and you’ll be fine. I ran my first cycle at 300mg/wk of test c and had gains I kept. Make sure you run an AI from day one of your cycle, such as aromasin at 12.5 mg/eod.


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Satan62 said:
400mg/week of test is a good starter cycle. Plan for your PCT at the end and you’ll be fine. I ran my first cycle at 300mg/wk of test c and had gains I kept. Make sure you run an AI from day one of your cycle, such as aromasin at 12.5 mg/eod.


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And those, my friends, are the words of Satan himself. Words from on low to be sure!


All hail Satan62!
 
Good news is that I dont need pct. I am on trt! So once a week inject is fine? If I ad in the proviron should I drop aromasin and to what?

I personally favor once a week inject and haven't noticed much in twice a week. Have a question proviron any good ideas on obtaining? My source does not carry.
 
Speaking of if adding in proviron is a cycle support needed? How hard is it on the liver? Would appreciate that insight and why kinda side effect proviron have?
 
Proviron doesn't stress the liver, not in the doses we are talking anyway.
Site sponsor PSL carries it but honestly, this drug is so common that any source would carry it. Check with your source again and ask about Mesterolone which is a drug name.
You could continue taking your Aromasin the same way you are taking it, and let's say 2-3 weeks into your cycle, do a blood work and see where your Estrogen is at. If before that you start experiencing joints pain then your estrogen dropped too low. If it happened adjust your arimidex dose to maybe 12.5 E3D or 12.5 x2 a week. It's something you will need to dial in yourself.

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Speaking of if adding in proviron is a cycle support needed? How hard is it on the liver? Would appreciate that insight and why kinda side effect proviron have?
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It is one of the few/only orals that will not cause liver issues and arguably will not suppress at the 100mg and below level. But you only need 25 to 50mg.
 
I would add 50mg/d of proviron to increase the free testosterone in your system, but don’t count on it as an AI. It simply will not do what aromasin does, and cutting the AI back will hurt you later in the cycle. Keep the aromasin at 12.5mg/eod for the entire cycle.


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Any side effects from proviron to watch? What kind of cycle suport you guys suggest other than what has been stated? What about blood pressure comtrol?
 
Satan62 said:
I would add 50mg/d of proviron to increase the free testosterone in your system, but don’t count on it as an AI. It simply will not do what aromasin does, and cutting the AI back will hurt you later in the cycle. Keep the aromasin at 12.5mg/eod for the entire cycle.


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Yup that's why I mentioned to keep taking his aromasin and do bloods a few weeks into a cycle and watch for low E signs.

I won't dismiss proviron's AI properties though, it was the AI everyone used in the past (together with some nolva) to keep E in check, before all the AI drugs came up on a market. Even masteron which is somewhat similar to proviron is an AI and I experienced it 1st hand when adding to my cycle. Adding masteron was enough to crash my E and get sore joints, had to dial down my aromasin dose to stop hurting.

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Eddie Haskell said:
Precisely. That which is sold by Costco is more than fine. Don't be ripped off by that which is aggressively marketed and overpriced.
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Actually...not true.

Read the supplement facts on the Costco multivitamins. They contain mineral oxides. For example under magnesium it'll say 'magnesium oxide'

Magnesium oxide has about a 2% absorption rate in the human body.
 
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