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GST

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Hello everyone

I have been on trt for awhile and since being on test, I have been thinking about running a cycle. Nothing much major just one or two extra compounds.

I haven’t decided yet to do one but it’s been in my thoughts since I’m already on test. Started at 100mg and currently at 200mg a week. It’s been 9 months

I have done some research and thought about tbol, anavar and primo. I have seen that primo will cause hair loss and I am someone who doesn’t want that. I have recently started using RU58841 and already using Dutasteride. Not sure if RU58841 would give protection from primo.

Cant use anything from Nandrolone because of dutasteride.

Would appreciate any knowledge and insight.

Second reason why I am thinking about a cycle is because I had secondary hypogonadism and I sorta want to speed up the muscle gaining process for the time lost. I had a few blood test to confirm this and went on hcg monothreapy prior getting on testosterone.

I understand I would need blood work prior to asses my health. I don’t do any recreational drugs so I know liver is good.
 
Primo for most is hair safe , I say for most because for me it absolutely nukes my hair where as masterone does not.
Only way you will know is to try!
Alternatively you can give EQ cypionate a run at similar 2:1 ratios of test to DHT.
Otherwise just run test and anavar without any additional DHT and you should see good results on 400-500t with some var.. might need some nolvadex if your not running Primo/mast or EQ alongside the Test.
 
GST said:
Hello everyone

I have been on trt for awhile and since being on test, I have been thinking about running a cycle. Nothing much major just one or two extra compounds.

I haven’t decided yet to do one but it’s been in my thoughts since I’m already on test. Started at 100mg and currently at 200mg a week. It’s been 9 months

I have done some research and thought about tbol, anavar and primo. I have seen that primo will cause hair loss and I am someone who doesn’t want that. I have recently started using RU58841 and already using Dutasteride. Not sure if RU58841 would give protection from primo.

Cant use anything from Nandrolone because of dutasteride.

Would appreciate any knowledge and insight.

Second reason why I am thinking about a cycle is because I had secondary hypogonadism and I sorta want to speed up the muscle gaining process for the time lost. I had a few blood test to confirm this and went on hcg monothreapy prior getting on testosterone.

I understand I would need blood work prior to asses my health. I don’t do any recreational drugs so I know liver is good.
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I follow your TRT log @GST its still new :D
Based on your log you’re already a strong responder on 200mg and you’re still dealing with fatigue and lipid issues, so if you add anything keep it simple and avoid Primo if hair is a big worry because RU58841 and dutasteride won’t guarantee protection from DHT based shedding. You shouldn't need ancillaries to run your cycle, just avoid the hair shedding compounds.

If you want one mild add on, a short low dose Anavar or tbol is the cleaner choice and you should stay away from nandrolone on dutasteride since it can make the androgen profile worse, then reassess off your next bloods before stacking more.

Overall, simple stack, more testosterone, some anavar and add some hgh, how do you feel about this?
 
LevButlerov said:
I follow your TRT log @GST its still new :D
Based on your log you’re already a strong responder on 200mg and you’re still dealing with fatigue and lipid issues, so if you add anything keep it simple and avoid Primo if hair is a big worry because RU58841 and dutasteride won’t guarantee protection from DHT based shedding. You shouldn't need ancillaries to run your cycle, just avoid the hair shedding compounds.

If you want one mild add on, a short low dose Anavar or tbol is the cleaner choice and you should stay away from nandrolone on dutasteride since it can make the androgen profile worse, then reassess off your next bloods before stacking more.

Overall, simple stack, more testosterone, some anavar and add some hgh, how do you feel about this?
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I do everyday dosing currently I don’t feel my numbers are correct because they might be elevated levels. Plus I’m not that muscular for those numbers.

What dosage would you suggest for the anavar and test? Hgh is expensive and wouldn’t be in the budget.

I am going to do my blood tomorrow or Wednesday. Trying to figure out how many days a part from my dosage to blood I need to do.

I will be updating my other page as well, been doing some research and possible solution
 
1st cycle? Just up your test dose you will see a lot of gains - go 400mg a week for twelve week. Don't worry about adding anything save that for later. Will likely need an AI at that dose
 
rizzlekdizzle said:
1st cycle? Just up your test dose you will see a lot of gains - go 400mg a week for twelve week. Don't worry about adding anything save that for later. Will likely need an AI at that dose
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From my experience so far it seems like I’m prone to making more blood, so that’s why I’m hesitating on bringing up the dosage. I was thinking of going to 250-300 initially and seeing how I’ll handle it.
 
GST said:
Hello everyone

I have been on trt for awhile and since being on test, I have been thinking about running a cycle. Nothing much major just one or two extra compounds.

I haven’t decided yet to do one but it’s been in my thoughts since I’m already on test. Started at 100mg and currently at 200mg a week. It’s been 9 months

I have done some research and thought about tbol, anavar and primo. I have seen that primo will cause hair loss and I am someone who doesn’t want that. I have recently started using RU58841 and already using Dutasteride. Not sure if RU58841 would give protection from primo.

Cant use anything from Nandrolone because of dutasteride.

Would appreciate any knowledge and insight.

Second reason why I am thinking about a cycle is because I had secondary hypogonadism and I sorta want to speed up the muscle gaining process for the time lost. I had a few blood test to confirm this and went on hcg monothreapy prior getting on testosterone.

I understand I would need blood work prior to asses my health. I don’t do any recreational drugs so I know liver is good.
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Keep in mind with DHT blocker drugs, they will not help you if you are using a DHT derivative steroid. They merely drop the DHT conversion from testosterone derivatives but since DHT derivatives are direct they don't do anything there.
 
GST said:
From my experience so far it seems like I’m prone to making more blood, so that’s why I’m hesitating on bringing up the dosage. I was thinking of going to 250-300 initially and seeing how I’ll handle it.
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sure man 300 will be good too - that was my first cycle too
 
GST said:
Hello everyone

I have been on trt for awhile and since being on test, I have been thinking about running a cycle. Nothing much major just one or two extra compounds.

I haven’t decided yet to do one but it’s been in my thoughts since I’m already on test. Started at 100mg and currently at 200mg a week. It’s been 9 months

I have done some research and thought about tbol, anavar and primo. I have seen that primo will cause hair loss and I am someone who doesn’t want that. I have recently started using RU58841 and already using Dutasteride. Not sure if RU58841 would give protection from primo.

Cant use anything from Nandrolone because of dutasteride.

Would appreciate any knowledge and insight.

Second reason why I am thinking about a cycle is because I had secondary hypogonadism and I sorta want to speed up the muscle gaining process for the time lost. I had a few blood test to confirm this and went on hcg monothreapy prior getting on testosterone.

I understand I would need blood work prior to asses my health. I don’t do any recreational drugs so I know liver is good.
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why can't you use nandrolone with dutasteride? That is one that I haven't heard before but it's just not true.
 
LevButlerov said:
I follow your TRT log @GST its still new :D
Based on your log you’re already a strong responder on 200mg and you’re still dealing with fatigue and lipid issues, so if you add anything keep it simple and avoid Primo if hair is a big worry because RU58841 and dutasteride won’t guarantee protection from DHT based shedding. You shouldn't need ancillaries to run your cycle, just avoid the hair shedding compounds.

If you want one mild add on, a short low dose Anavar or tbol is the cleaner choice and you should stay away from nandrolone on dutasteride since it can make the androgen profile worse, then reassess off your next bloods before stacking more.

Overall, simple stack, more testosterone, some anavar and add some hgh, how do you feel about this?
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Solid advice @LevButlerov
 
2Thick said:
why can't you use nandrolone with dutasteride? That is one that I haven't heard before but it's just not true.
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The conversion that occurs from nandrolone to it’s lesser version dhb I believe, is prevented because dutasteride acts on the same enzyme and prevents the conversion and that results in nandrolone acting at the hair follicle and progresses hair loss quicker
 
2Thick said:
why can't you use nandrolone with dutasteride? That is one that I haven't heard before but it's just not true.
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I have heard it many times, but never experimented with it. Lots of things get tossed around like that. It makes sense the way they say it, but whether or not it’s true in real life is hard to say. If I had hair I wouldn’t gamble with it hahaha. My first cycle I lost enough hair to never try it again until I was shaving my head anyway
 
GST said:
Hello everyone

I have been on trt for awhile and since being on test, I have been thinking about running a cycle. Nothing much major just one or two extra compounds.

I haven’t decided yet to do one but it’s been in my thoughts since I’m already on test. Started at 100mg and currently at 200mg a week. It’s been 9 months

I have done some research and thought about tbol, anavar and primo. I have seen that primo will cause hair loss and I am someone who doesn’t want that. I have recently started using RU58841 and already using Dutasteride. Not sure if RU58841 would give protection from primo.

Cant use anything from Nandrolone because of dutasteride.

Would appreciate any knowledge and insight.

Second reason why I am thinking about a cycle is because I had secondary hypogonadism and I sorta want to speed up the muscle gaining process for the time lost. I had a few blood test to confirm this and went on hcg monothreapy prior getting on testosterone.

I understand I would need blood work prior to asses my health. I don’t do any recreational drugs so I know liver is good.
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Bros, let's be honest. If you are prone to hair loss then any steroid is going to cause hair loss in some way.
 
GST said:
Hello everyone

I have been on trt for awhile and since being on test, I have been thinking about running a cycle. Nothing much major just one or two extra compounds.

I haven’t decided yet to do one but it’s been in my thoughts since I’m already on test. Started at 100mg and currently at 200mg a week. It’s been 9 months

I have done some research and thought about tbol, anavar and primo. I have seen that primo will cause hair loss and I am someone who doesn’t want that. I have recently started using RU58841 and already using Dutasteride. Not sure if RU58841 would give protection from primo.

Cant use anything from Nandrolone because of dutasteride.

Would appreciate any knowledge and insight.

Second reason why I am thinking about a cycle is because I had secondary hypogonadism and I sorta want to speed up the muscle gaining process for the time lost. I had a few blood test to confirm this and went on hcg monothreapy prior getting on testosterone.

I understand I would need blood work prior to asses my health. I don’t do any recreational drugs so I know liver is good.
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Primo is a DHT, that is true, but it doesn't cause as much hair loss as some of the other harsh steroids. I would avoid something like Winstrol, for example.
 
GST said:
Hello everyone

I have been on trt for awhile and since being on test, I have been thinking about running a cycle. Nothing much major just one or two extra compounds.

I haven’t decided yet to do one but it’s been in my thoughts since I’m already on test. Started at 100mg and currently at 200mg a week. It’s been 9 months

I have done some research and thought about tbol, anavar and primo. I have seen that primo will cause hair loss and I am someone who doesn’t want that. I have recently started using RU58841 and already using Dutasteride. Not sure if RU58841 would give protection from primo.

Cant use anything from Nandrolone because of dutasteride.

Would appreciate any knowledge and insight.

Second reason why I am thinking about a cycle is because I had secondary hypogonadism and I sorta want to speed up the muscle gaining process for the time lost. I had a few blood test to confirm this and went on hcg monothreapy prior getting on testosterone.

I understand I would need blood work prior to asses my health. I don’t do any recreational drugs so I know liver is good.
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First cycle advice: keep it simple. Run some tests and an oral. You'll do perfectly fine. You've got to do trial and error to see what works for you.
 
GST said:
Would ru work since it’s an androgen blocker ?
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ru? not sure what that is. too early in the morning for me lol.

my advice is keep cycles short and avoid the harsher steroids for hair
 
GST said:
RU58841 is androgen blocker. You’d apply it to your scalp and would prevent androgens affecting the hair follicle and miniaturizing it
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ah okay. gotcha. I have found over the years that you will never conquer steroids when it comes to hair loss. just learn what steroids shed your hair and which don't.. i'm not prone to hair loss, i still have head hair and my secret has been short cycles, and avoiding tren/winstrol
 
GST said:
The conversion that occurs from nandrolone to it’s lesser version dhb I believe, is prevented because dutasteride acts on the same enzyme and prevents the conversion and that results in nandrolone acting at the hair follicle and progresses hair loss quicker
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man that is interesting. I think sometimes though we overthink things.
 
GST said:
This may be a dumb question so early forgiveness.

I checked the certified suppliers and the prices for tbol and anavar vary. Some are higher than others.
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True. I’m definitely a bargain shopper. But if you’re ordering numerous things it’s possible to buy one or two things that are more expensive and still save money because of the shipping costs. I’m confident in the approved sources. Very confident that if I have an issue I can talk to a rep and they’ll sort it out with no drama. So I don’t mind shopping around on the approved sites to save a few bucks. It all adds up
 
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