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Lee Thomas
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For the ones whom are cycling on and off, no trt...When u come back on (HPTA), are your levels going back to same numbers or are they dropping at a slow rate each run?
They will slowly drop after each steroid cycle. It's kind of like repairing a car. Each repair job will make it almost as good as new, but it will never be as good as before it got repaired. Eventually, no amount of repairs will work and the car will need to be scrapped (you will need TRT).
That is why 99% of people who have done 10+ cycles and PCTs end up on TRT because their natural testosterone levels don't fully recover.
That is why 99% of people who have done 10+ cycles and PCTs end up on TRT because their natural testosterone levels don't fully recover.
Lee Thomas
New Member
Damn brother u explain things to me so well..Ok, my last question and I can go ahead and make my decision....So in essence, it really doesn't matter if I'm going to juice..I may as well just goahead and get set up on trt instead of waiting until the car needs scraping? Is this close?
Yes. In my opinion at least.
Lee Thomas
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Lee Thomas
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fraz_732000
Member
good question,following
Azazel Brother
New member
PCT is not only for your test levels to return to normal. It is also to gets your estrogen in check to prevent gyno and protect your organs specifically heart, liver and kidneys.
fraz_732000
Member
yes you are rite, but only for 10 cycles? what's after that? ll you shut down completely after 10 cycles?
I am two weeks short of my 58th birthday. I am in the fifth week of my fourteenth cycle. And, according to my new physician, my entire endocrine system is "in very good shape." It's the HCG, I tell you. It's the HCG!
fraz_732000
Member
all the people here say,hcg is a nasty stuff don't go for it, it increases estrogen n suppressive to natural test.
Lee Thomas
New Member
U wouldn't mind shooting a pic for us would ya? I didn't realize u were older than me...Thats a pretty good share of cycles...I'm very curious to see the progress bro...If ya don't mind, sir? Also, if u can include stats, that would be chummy as well, o'le chap...
I have ran a lot of cycles and I still come back strong each time. the key is though I started juicing in my very late 20's and I always PCT correctly (not that 2 SERM pct bullshit from the 80's but a real PCT).
if you start juicing too young then expect permanent damage to your HPTA, I tell guys this all the time.. really under 21 and you are risking major problems. under 25 is the next barrier. once you get into your late 20's then you are g2g as long as you cycle smart
if you start juicing too young then expect permanent damage to your HPTA, I tell guys this all the time.. really under 21 and you are risking major problems. under 25 is the next barrier. once you get into your late 20's then you are g2g as long as you cycle smart
Lee Thomas
New Member
Really bro, that is interesting to know...When u say a "real" pct , what excatly are u refferring, too? Sorry, bro, I've out of the game for awhile...
Jay Scott
Retired VIP
They are supposed to go back to initial levels if you recover properly
All the people here?
Actually, Lee, in the twenty-three years that I have been online, never have I posted a photo of myself (in any way whatsoever) nor of a family member. It all has to do with privacy, security and, in the case of this forum, legality. Even my Facebook page is completely depersonalized.
I will, however, say that I am 6'3," and that I currently weigh 203lbs consisting of 7.5% bf. I say "currently" due to the fact that I am in the fifth week of a sixteen week lean bulking cycle, which means that I have gained seven pounds of weight and nearly a full percentage of body fat over the past 5-1/2 weeks. And a lot of those seven pounds are of course water and fat. Nonetheless, I hope to net somewhere around five pounds of muscle by the end of my upcoming off cycle (Jan. 1, 2017).
But I think that the reason for my being in the condition I'm in has less to with AAS and more to do with, genetics (my father is 87 and in excellent shape), a lifetime of competitive athletics, as well as the very strict dietary habits that I have adhered to for the past twenty-eight years.
But as for my progress, it has been rather slow. I am a hardgainer who weighed 175lbs and carried a little more than 10%bf at the onset of my initial cycle, I have gained a mere twenty pounds over the past 7-1/2 years.
I hope that you find my response to be satisfactory.
Lee Thomas
New Member
fraz_732000
Member
i mean most of the seniors.
Everyone is different. This is why blood work is so important. In theory, eventually after many cycles you will not recover to normal test levels. Personally I will continue to cycle on and of with a PCT for as long as possible. This is for health reasons.
