First Cycle - Testosterone Cypionate | Cycle Log

[impala67]

Hey guys, I'm brand new to the forums and after my first pin, I've decided to start a log, more then happy to listen to recommendations and advice. Please give your opinions. (I think this is the right way to do my log)

Info:

22 yrs old
6'1
84KG
About 17-19% body fat off eye
Test C - 300mg per week, 150mg on Sunday morning and Wednesday night. - From @Raptor Labs
Cardio after every workout - 2.4km best time
Working in Construction - Constantly using back muscles for a lot of pulling and grip strength
7-8 hours sleep every night.

Pinning:

Currently I am pinning my test using the subq method into my stomach, I'm pinching about an inch of fat and going on a 45 degree angle, I see some people saying you should do 90 degree as subq with a 0.5 inch needle if you're not low bodyfat, I also would prefer pinning in my shoulders I think because my stomach feels a bit sensitive to needles but how would I pinch my shoulder, do a 45 degree angle and hold it for 20-30 seconds while I'm injecting?

Workout:

5x Per week

Monday: Leg Day

• Leg press — 4×6–10
• Romanian deadlift — 3×8–12
• Seated hamstring curl — 3×10–15
• Bulgarian split squat or lunges — 3×8–12
• Calf raises — 4×12–20

Tuesday: Chest & Triceps

• DB press — 4×5–8
• Incline press — 4×8–12
• Cable — 3–4×12–15
• Dips — 3× failure (or close)
• Skull crushers — 3×10–12
• Cable overhead — 3×12–15
• (Bench press for PR's sometimes)

Wednesday: Back & Biceps

• Lat pulldown — 4×6–10
• Barbell — 4×8–12
• Chest-supported row — 3×10–12
• Face pulls — 3×15–20
• Barbell curls — 3×8–12
• Hammer curls — 3×10–12

Thursday: Shoulders & Abs

• Overhead press — 4×6–10
• Dumbbell lateral raises — 5×12–16 (sometimes failure)
• Reverse pec deck — 3×15–20
• Shrugs — 3×10–15
• Hanging leg raises — 3×12–15
• Cable crunches — 3×12–15

Friday: Arms & Delts

Biceps

• EZ curl — 4×8–12
• Incline DB curls — 3×10–12
• Preacher curls curls — 3×12–15

Triceps

• Close-grip bench — 4×6–10
• Rope pushdowns — 3×12–15
• Overhead extensions — 3×10–12

Extra delts

Lateral raises — 4×15–20



I was thinking about changing this up and maybe doing legs 2x in the 5 day split, not really sure where I want to put it in though, would be open to some suggestions in what could be better for maximum gains.


Food plans:

Typically around 2900-3000 calories.

Currently I am trying to bulk up, I'm looking at 160g protein, 85g fat, 370g carbs - again open to suggestions, i feel like my protein should be a bit higher and carbs maybe lower but I do a shit ton of cardio aswell.

Breakfast

• 1 cup oats (80 g)
• 1 scoop whey
• 1 banana
• 1 tbsp peanut butter
• 250 ml milk

Snack

• Greek yogurt (200 g)
• Honey (1 tbsp)
• Mixed berries (1 cup)
• Handful almonds (20–25 g)

Lunch

(Not really planned, sometimes burgers with work mates, sometimes spagh, sometimes some vegemite sangas)


Pre Workout

• 1 apple
• 1 scoop whey

Dinner

Usually beef mince, not really a chicken and rice guy, lots of pasta, lots of mince...

Before Bed

I don't really have anything before bed, maybe a banana or some yoghurt if im feeling hungry


Hopefully I haven't missed anything important, just let me know and I'm sure I can provide it.

 

[s.gentz]

Hey guys, I'm brand new to the forums and after my first pin, I've decided to start a log, more then happy to listen to recommendations and advice. Please give your opinions. (I think this is the right way to do my log)

Info:

22 yrs old
6'1
84KG
About 17-19% body fat off eye
Test C - 300mg per week, 150mg on Sunday morning and Wednesday night. - From @Raptor Labs
Cardio after every workout - 2.4km best time
Working in Construction - Constantly using back muscles for a lot of pulling and grip strength
7-8 hours sleep every night.

Pinning:

Currently I am pinning my test using the subq method into my stomach, I'm pinching about an inch of fat and going on a 45 degree angle, I see some people saying you should do 90 degree as subq with a 0.5 inch needle if you're not low bodyfat, I also would prefer pinning in my shoulders I think because my stomach feels a bit sensitive to needles but how would I pinch my shoulder, do a 45 degree angle and hold it for 20-30 seconds while I'm injecting?

Workout:

5x Per week

Monday: Leg Day

• Leg press — 4×6–10
• Romanian deadlift — 3×8–12
• Seated hamstring curl — 3×10–15
• Bulgarian split squat or lunges — 3×8–12
• Calf raises — 4×12–20

Tuesday: Chest & Triceps

• DB press — 4×5–8
• Incline press — 4×8–12
• Cable — 3–4×12–15
• Dips — 3× failure (or close)
• Skull crushers — 3×10–12
• Cable overhead — 3×12–15
• (Bench press for PR's sometimes)

Wednesday: Back & Biceps

• Lat pulldown — 4×6–10
• Barbell — 4×8–12
• Chest-supported row — 3×10–12
• Face pulls — 3×15–20
• Barbell curls — 3×8–12
• Hammer curls — 3×10–12

Thursday: Shoulders & Abs

• Overhead press — 4×6–10
• Dumbbell lateral raises — 5×12–16 (sometimes failure)
• Reverse pec deck — 3×15–20
• Shrugs — 3×10–15
• Hanging leg raises — 3×12–15
• Cable crunches — 3×12–15

Friday: Arms & Delts

Biceps

• EZ curl — 4×8–12
• Incline DB curls — 3×10–12
• Preacher curls curls — 3×12–15

Triceps

• Close-grip bench — 4×6–10
• Rope pushdowns — 3×12–15
• Overhead extensions — 3×10–12

Extra delts

Lateral raises — 4×15–20



I was thinking about changing this up and maybe doing legs 2x in the 5 day split, not really sure where I want to put it in though, would be open to some suggestions in what could be better for maximum gains.


Food plans:

Typically around 2900-3000 calories.

Currently I am trying to bulk up, I'm looking at 160g protein, 85g fat, 370g carbs - again open to suggestions, i feel like my protein should be a bit higher and carbs maybe lower but I do a shit ton of cardio aswell.

Breakfast

• 1 cup oats (80 g)
• 1 scoop whey
• 1 banana
• 1 tbsp peanut butter
• 250 ml milk

Snack

• Greek yogurt (200 g)
• Honey (1 tbsp)
• Mixed berries (1 cup)
• Handful almonds (20–25 g)

Lunch

(Not really planned, sometimes burgers with work mates, sometimes spagh, sometimes some vegemite sangas)


Pre Workout

• 1 apple
• 1 scoop whey

Dinner

Usually beef mince, not really a chicken and rice guy, lots of pasta, lots of mince...

Before Bed

I don't really have anything before bed, maybe a banana or some yoghurt if im feeling hungry


Hopefully I haven't missed anything important, just let me know and I'm sure I can provide it.

Welcome to Evo @impala67
If you want an honest opinion then you are too young to start using gear. Your body/brain are not done developing and you are messing with your hormones and will have to deal with what comes with that for the rest of your life.
Beyond that your bodyfat is too high.
You don't list what your lifts are. Something tells me you have a long way to go until you reach your natural limits. You need to have a solid base before starting steroids or you will be renting muscle while your on and losing what you've gained when you come off.
You should really stop now. PCT if you've been on longer than 3 weeks or just stop if less.

 

[impala67]

Welcome to Evo @impala67
If you want an honest opinion then you are too young to start using gear. Your body/brain are not done developing and you are messing with your hormones and will have to deal with what comes with that for the rest of your life.
Beyond that your bodyfat is too high.
You don't list what your lifts are. Something tells me you have a long way to go until you reach your natural limits. You need to have a solid base before starting steroids or you will be renting muscle while your on and losing what you've gained when you come off.
You should really stop now. PCT if you've been on longer than 3 weeks or just stop if less.

Hey thanks for the reply,

It is true im not at my peak natural limits or anywhere close to it, I've been working out for about a year consistently, and during my time playing footy was about 2-3 year consistently then stopped (this is when I was 15-18)

What age and baseline of consistent gym experience would you recommend? I see so many young guys and influencers even younger than me who blast stuff way more damaging than just testosterone, are they just dooming themselves for life once they come off it (if they ever could) dont get me wrong im not trying to ruin my life here but I was under the impression that its a relatively low dose in the body-building world and lots of people use it in beginner, intermediate and advanced stages of their lifting career, would be great to hear your input on it all just so I can wrap my head around it a bit better

 

[s.gentz]

Hey thanks for the reply,

It is true im not at my peak natural limits or anywhere close to it, I've been working out for about a year consistently, and during my time playing footy was about 2-3 year consistently then stopped (this is when I was 15-18)

What age and baseline of consistent gym experience would you recommend? I see so many young guys and influencers even younger than me who blast stuff way more damaging than just testosterone, are they just dooming themselves for life once they come off it (if they ever could) dont get me wrong im not trying to ruin my life here but I was under the impression that its a relatively low dose in the body-building world and lots of people use it in beginner, intermediate and advanced stages of their lifting career, would be great to hear your input on it all just so I can wrap my head around it a bit better

These influencers are damaging their health but of course they are not going to tell you that. Then people won't follow them.
What you are saying here further solidifies what I said about you using gear. You don't even have enough base to think about gear.
Any dose of steroids at your age could potentially damage your health. Your body/brain are not done developing until your late 20's. Taking gear now can hinder development and give you issues for life whether physical or mental. This can also hinder your fertility and make it more difficult to have children.
At 20 to+/-30yo you are at the peak of your natty test levels and your body is primed to grow. Use this time to build a solid base. Bodybuilding is not a sprint, it is a very long game of consistent lifting and diet. Talking steroids at your age with very little base will be taking a step forward and then 2 back when you come off.
I really hope for your benefit you stop now and start working hard in the gym to reach your goals.
Start a log and we can help you fine tune your training/diet to get max benefit. Once you are ready we can also help you use steroids in a safe manner.
Don't listen to the internet/social media noise. They don't care about your health, they only care about your likes/comments. That's what makes them money. They pretend to be helping you but at the end of the day they are harming themselves and bringing you down with them.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hey guys, I'm brand new to the forums and after my first pin, I've decided to start a log, more then happy to listen to recommendations and advice. Please give your opinions. (I think this is the right way to do my log)

Info:

22 yrs old
6'1
84KG
About 17-19% body fat off eye
Test C - 300mg per week, 150mg on Sunday morning and Wednesday night. - From @Raptor Labs
Cardio after every workout - 2.4km best time
Working in Construction - Constantly using back muscles for a lot of pulling and grip strength
7-8 hours sleep every night.

Pinning:

Currently I am pinning my test using the subq method into my stomach, I'm pinching about an inch of fat and going on a 45 degree angle, I see some people saying you should do 90 degree as subq with a 0.5 inch needle if you're not low bodyfat, I also would prefer pinning in my shoulders I think because my stomach feels a bit sensitive to needles but how would I pinch my shoulder, do a 45 degree angle and hold it for 20-30 seconds while I'm injecting?

Workout:

5x Per week

Monday: Leg Day

• Leg press — 4×6–10
• Romanian deadlift — 3×8–12
• Seated hamstring curl — 3×10–15
• Bulgarian split squat or lunges — 3×8–12
• Calf raises — 4×12–20

Tuesday: Chest & Triceps

• DB press — 4×5–8
• Incline press — 4×8–12
• Cable — 3–4×12–15
• Dips — 3× failure (or close)
• Skull crushers — 3×10–12
• Cable overhead — 3×12–15
• (Bench press for PR's sometimes)

Wednesday: Back & Biceps

• Lat pulldown — 4×6–10
• Barbell — 4×8–12
• Chest-supported row — 3×10–12
• Face pulls — 3×15–20
• Barbell curls — 3×8–12
• Hammer curls — 3×10–12

Thursday: Shoulders & Abs

• Overhead press — 4×6–10
• Dumbbell lateral raises — 5×12–16 (sometimes failure)
• Reverse pec deck — 3×15–20
• Shrugs — 3×10–15
• Hanging leg raises — 3×12–15
• Cable crunches — 3×12–15

Friday: Arms & Delts

Biceps

• EZ curl — 4×8–12
• Incline DB curls — 3×10–12
• Preacher curls curls — 3×12–15

Triceps

• Close-grip bench — 4×6–10
• Rope pushdowns — 3×12–15
• Overhead extensions — 3×10–12

Extra delts

Lateral raises — 4×15–20



I was thinking about changing this up and maybe doing legs 2x in the 5 day split, not really sure where I want to put it in though, would be open to some suggestions in what could be better for maximum gains.


Food plans:

Typically around 2900-3000 calories.

Currently I am trying to bulk up, I'm looking at 160g protein, 85g fat, 370g carbs - again open to suggestions, i feel like my protein should be a bit higher and carbs maybe lower but I do a shit ton of cardio aswell.

Breakfast

• 1 cup oats (80 g)
• 1 scoop whey
• 1 banana
• 1 tbsp peanut butter
• 250 ml milk

Snack

• Greek yogurt (200 g)
• Honey (1 tbsp)
• Mixed berries (1 cup)
• Handful almonds (20–25 g)

Lunch

(Not really planned, sometimes burgers with work mates, sometimes spagh, sometimes some vegemite sangas)


Pre Workout

• 1 apple
• 1 scoop whey

Dinner

Usually beef mince, not really a chicken and rice guy, lots of pasta, lots of mince...

Before Bed

I don't really have anything before bed, maybe a banana or some yoghurt if im feeling hungry


Hopefully I haven't missed anything important, just let me know and I'm sure I can provide it.

Welcome to EVO @impala67!

That was a good first log post I can see the effort you put into it. I agree with @s.gentz

First things first we need to get you to stop with the testosterone if you can hold off ok? You're too young and we can work with you with your natural Test levels which are undoubtedly high at your age. We need to get everything really dialed in for you in this order:

1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test, hormones and HPTA back up and running since you'll want to stay fertile and be able to have children one day)
2. Diet/Supps (we must see you have this dialed in with the proper macros and calories and supplements)
3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper and your strength has naturally plateaud)
4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away much later for a proper cycle suited and tailored to you)

Can you hold off on the Test for us for now and let us get you up to speed on #1-#3?

For example, a banana before bed isn't a good idea as it will spike your insulin and blood sugar and this isn't the best time to do that. If you're looking to bulk up we need to increase calories and reset where your macros (protein/fat/carbs) are coming from. Your training will have to be compound movements for bulking, etc.

Can we start, for now, with doing away with the steroids so you don't hurt yourself and we'll get the rest in check first?

 

[toddthelineman]

Hey thanks for the reply,

It is true im not at my peak natural limits or anywhere close to it, I've been working out for about a year consistently, and during my time playing footy was about 2-3 year consistently then stopped (this is when I was 15-18)

What age and baseline of consistent gym experience would you recommend? I see so many young guys and influencers even younger than me who blast stuff way more damaging than just testosterone, are they just dooming themselves for life once they come off it (if they ever could) dont get me wrong im not trying to ruin my life here but I was under the impression that its a relatively low dose in the body-building world and lots of people use it in beginner, intermediate and advanced stages of their lifting career, would be great to hear your input on it all just so I can wrap my head around it a bit better

@implala67 I’m with @s.gentz on this and everyone experienced here will agree. Those influencers are normalizing a thing that’s causing harm to many thousands of young men. Your mature response is pretty rare, we get these sort of intros quite often.

I can share a little experience with you and maybe the perspective will help. When I was your age I was just starting my career, extremely hard work. There was close to a dozen guys out of less than 50 that were using steroids. I was pretty small and they pressured me to do it too, but I didn’t. None of those guys lasted. I did what my dad said he did in the marines. I ate two dinners in a row Every night. And I sure did grow and I got strong and healthy and I’ve looked good my whole life. Have some faith in yourself. Let your body do the work it was meant to do. Don’t stunt your body’s natural process. You’ll be glad you did

 

[Mobster]

See also this thread live right now (he's 20): https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ertility-whilst-on-testosterone.108436/unread

 

[Mobster]

Influencers can be, at best a kind of inspiration.

But as sources for info? No. They literally use the insta and google etc algorithms to enhance traffic and, by that, make money.

Solid useful and kinda boring advice does track, sell or boost views.

When they fuck up it doesn't get published. When they're ill etc they don't post and if they DO tell the truth it kills the tracking etc. Less views, equals less money.

I follow Josh Baker (Gym Reaper and uber bench presser). He rarely does an actual program (when he does get gets to 700+lbs knowing full well AMRAP and clapping benching etc makes him money. He admits he's on but keeps getting facial skin rashes and 5 chest infections in 2025 alone. He also makes money via late night TikTok videos of his online (and now he gets a nice lump of cash daily for doing so - hes said so). Has he made himself ill staying up late, using PEDS, eating poorly and not training for health? If so it NEVER gets discussed on the videos and I like what he does.

See also Larry wheels. He's been injured, as have others (now called the wheels curse lol). Admitted to going on PEds too soon (16). Admitted to spending $100k in a month on live sex chats. Was accused of scamming investors to get money for his dream house. One of the biggest YT's ever.

Other would be YTs with BIG channels are cited as experts but aren't. And I follow some of them too.

 

[impala67]

These influencers are damaging their health but of course they are not going to tell you that. Then people won't follow them.
What you are saying here further solidifies what I said about you using gear. You don't even have enough base to think about gear.
Any dose of steroids at your age could potentially damage your health. Your body/brain are not done developing until your late 20's. Taking gear now can hinder development and give you issues for life whether physical or mental. This can also hinder your fertility and make it more difficult to have children.
At 20 to+/-30yo you are at the peak of your natty test levels and your body is primed to grow. Use this time to build a solid base. Bodybuilding is not a sprint, it is a very long game of consistent lifting and diet. Talking steroids at your age with very little base will be taking a step forward and then 2 back when you come off.
I really hope for your benefit you stop now and start working hard in the gym to reach your goals.
Start a log and we can help you fine tune your training/diet to get max benefit. Once you are ready we can also help you use steroids in a safe manner.
Don't listen to the internet/social media noise. They don't care about your health, they only care about your likes/comments. That's what makes them money. They pretend to be helping you but at the end of the day they are harming themselves and bringing you down with them.

Welcome to EVO @impala67!

That was a good first log post I can see the effort you put into it. I agree with @s.gentz

First things first we need to get you to stop with the testosterone if you can hold off ok? You're too young and we can work with you with your natural Test levels which are undoubtedly high at your age. We need to get everything really dialed in for you in this order:

1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test, hormones and HPTA back up and running since you'll want to stay fertile and be able to have children one day)
2. Diet/Supps (we must see you have this dialed in with the proper macros and calories and supplements)
3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper and your strength has naturally plateaud)
4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away much later for a proper cycle suited and tailored to you)

Can you hold off on the Test for us for now and let us get you up to speed on #1-#3?

For example, a banana before bed isn't a good idea as it will spike your insulin and blood sugar and this isn't the best time to do that. If you're looking to bulk up we need to increase calories and reset where your macros (protein/fat/carbs) are coming from. Your training will have to be compound movements for bulking, etc.

Can we start, for now, with doing away with the steroids so you don't hurt yourself and we'll get the rest in check first?

@implala67 I’m with @s.gentz on this and everyone experienced here will agree. Those influencers are normalizing a thing that’s causing harm to many thousands of young men. Your mature response is pretty rare, we get these sort of intros quite often.

I can share a little experience with you and maybe the perspective will help. When I was your age I was just starting my career, extremely hard work. There was close to a dozen guys out of less than 50 that were using steroids. I was pretty small and they pressured me to do it too, but I didn’t. None of those guys lasted. I did what my dad said he did in the marines. I ate two dinners in a row Every night. And I sure did grow and I got strong and healthy and I’ve looked good my whole life. Have some faith in yourself. Let your body do the work it was meant to do. Don’t stunt your body’s natural process. You’ll be glad you did

Influencers can be, at best a kind of inspiration.

But as sources for info? No. They literally use the insta and google etc algorithms to enhance traffic and, by that, make money.

Solid useful and kinda boring advice does track, sell or boost views.

When they fuck up it doesn't get published. When they're ill etc they don't post and if they DO tell the truth it kills the tracking etc. Less views, equals less money.

I follow Josh Baker (Gym Reaper and uber bench presser). He rarely does an actual program (when he does get gets to 700+lbs knowing full well AMRAP and clapping benching etc makes him money. He admits he's on but keeps getting facial skin rashes and 5 chest infections in 2025 alone. He also makes money via late night TikTok videos of his online (and now he gets a nice lump of cash daily for doing so - hes said so). Has he made himself ill staying up late, using PEDS, eating poorly and not training for health? If so it NEVER gets discussed on the videos and I like what he does.

See also Larry wheels. He's been injured, as have others (now called the wheels curse lol). Admitted to going on PEds too soon (16). Admitted to spending $100k in a month on live sex chats. Was accused of scamming investors to get money for his dream house. One of the biggest YT's ever.

Other would be YTs with BIG channels are cited as experts but aren't. And I follow some of them too.

Thanks for all the replies guys, I can definitely see why it would be a mistake to use gear at my age and experience in the gym, like everyone else I want quick gains and strength but if its going to just leave when I come off cycle and potentially ruin my hormones and balls for life, Im happy to wait a while.

I wanted to ask you guys for some advice on meals and training tho, I can never seem to get it right, I go through this "phase" every couple of months where i want to meal prep good meals and workout daily, but months of working out rarely got me any physical changes, im definitely stronger mostly because of my job.

When I meal prep my chicken tastes shit after the microwave, my mince gets like shit aswell, do you guys have any tips on meal prepping so im not eating vomit from day 2 and onwards, or do you guys not meal prep and just straight cook it at the time?

I want to get everything dialed in but I could never seem to find the right things, I've looked at Jeff nippard training books, youtube videos, etc but it never felt like I was progressing.

I know one of you guys mentioned me not stating my lift PR's, truth is I've never gone for a PR, I dont squat or deadlift, the most I've done on bench press was 60kg for 3 reps then my left arm got really tired and it was like a 45 degree angle with my right arm almost locking out and the left not doing anything, DB shoulder press i usually use 15kg, I can't really think of anything else worth noting.

Would really appreciate if you guys could point me in the right direction, maybe a post if you dont want to directly assist me which is fine.

Also what supplements do you guys suggest? I used creatine for a few months during footy seasons but apart from that I've never used any supplements.

 

[s.gentz]

Thanks for all the replies guys, I can definitely see why it would be a mistake to use gear at my age and experience in the gym, like everyone else I want quick gains and strength but if its going to just leave when I come off cycle and potentially ruin my hormones and balls for life, Im happy to wait a while.

I wanted to ask you guys for some advice on meals and training tho, I can never seem to get it right, I go through this "phase" every couple of months where i want to meal prep good meals and workout daily, but months of working out rarely got me any physical changes, im definitely stronger mostly because of my job.

When I meal prep my chicken tastes shit after the microwave, my mince gets like shit aswell, do you guys have any tips on meal prepping so im not eating vomit from day 2 and onwards, or do you guys not meal prep and just straight cook it at the time?

I want to get everything dialed in but I could never seem to find the right things, I've looked at Jeff nippard training books, youtube videos, etc but it never felt like I was progressing.

I know one of you guys mentioned me not stating my lift PR's, truth is I've never gone for a PR, I dont squat or deadlift, the most I've done on bench press was 60kg for 3 reps then my left arm got really tired and it was like a 45 degree angle with my right arm almost locking out and the left not doing anything, DB shoulder press i usually use 15kg, I can't really think of anything else worth noting.

Would really appreciate if you guys could point me in the right direction, maybe a post if you dont want to directly assist me which is fine.

Also what supplements do you guys suggest? I used creatine for a few months during footy seasons but apart from that I've never used any supplements.

Stat a log. It’s easier to see what you are doing and fix it than just give you a bunch of advice which may or may not be beneficial to you.
Check any of my logs in my signature for how I log. There are also many other logs on here you can check out.
Can you post a physique pic so we can see where you are at?

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey guys, I'm brand new to the forums and after my first pin, I've decided to start a log, more then happy to listen to recommendations and advice. Please give your opinions. (I think this is the right way to do my log)

Info:

22 yrs old
6'1
84KG
About 17-19% body fat off eye
Test C - 300mg per week, 150mg on Sunday morning and Wednesday night. - From @Raptor Labs
Cardio after every workout - 2.4km best time
Working in Construction - Constantly using back muscles for a lot of pulling and grip strength
7-8 hours sleep every night.

Pinning:

Currently I am pinning my test using the subq method into my stomach, I'm pinching about an inch of fat and going on a 45 degree angle, I see some people saying you should do 90 degree as subq with a 0.5 inch needle if you're not low bodyfat, I also would prefer pinning in my shoulders I think because my stomach feels a bit sensitive to needles but how would I pinch my shoulder, do a 45 degree angle and hold it for 20-30 seconds while I'm injecting?

Workout:

5x Per week

Monday: Leg Day

• Leg press — 4×6–10
• Romanian deadlift — 3×8–12
• Seated hamstring curl — 3×10–15
• Bulgarian split squat or lunges — 3×8–12
• Calf raises — 4×12–20

Tuesday: Chest & Triceps

• DB press — 4×5–8
• Incline press — 4×8–12
• Cable — 3–4×12–15
• Dips — 3× failure (or close)
• Skull crushers — 3×10–12
• Cable overhead — 3×12–15
• (Bench press for PR's sometimes)

Wednesday: Back & Biceps

• Lat pulldown — 4×6–10
• Barbell — 4×8–12
• Chest-supported row — 3×10–12
• Face pulls — 3×15–20
• Barbell curls — 3×8–12
• Hammer curls — 3×10–12

Thursday: Shoulders & Abs

• Overhead press — 4×6–10
• Dumbbell lateral raises — 5×12–16 (sometimes failure)
• Reverse pec deck — 3×15–20
• Shrugs — 3×10–15
• Hanging leg raises — 3×12–15
• Cable crunches — 3×12–15

Friday: Arms & Delts

Biceps

• EZ curl — 4×8–12
• Incline DB curls — 3×10–12
• Preacher curls curls — 3×12–15

Triceps

• Close-grip bench — 4×6–10
• Rope pushdowns — 3×12–15
• Overhead extensions — 3×10–12

Extra delts

Lateral raises — 4×15–20



I was thinking about changing this up and maybe doing legs 2x in the 5 day split, not really sure where I want to put it in though, would be open to some suggestions in what could be better for maximum gains.


Food plans:

Typically around 2900-3000 calories.

Currently I am trying to bulk up, I'm looking at 160g protein, 85g fat, 370g carbs - again open to suggestions, i feel like my protein should be a bit higher and carbs maybe lower but I do a shit ton of cardio aswell.

Breakfast

• 1 cup oats (80 g)
• 1 scoop whey
• 1 banana
• 1 tbsp peanut butter
• 250 ml milk

Snack

• Greek yogurt (200 g)
• Honey (1 tbsp)
• Mixed berries (1 cup)
• Handful almonds (20–25 g)

Lunch

(Not really planned, sometimes burgers with work mates, sometimes spagh, sometimes some vegemite sangas)


Pre Workout

• 1 apple
• 1 scoop whey

Dinner

Usually beef mince, not really a chicken and rice guy, lots of pasta, lots of mince...

Before Bed

I don't really have anything before bed, maybe a banana or some yoghurt if im feeling hungry


Hopefully I haven't missed anything important, just let me know and I'm sure I can provide it.

welcome to the EVO family @impala67 start by sharing pics of you face blurred so we can see your base and know where you need to go, we need them to approve log as well. Please post.

 

[EvoNexus]

Welcome to EVO @impala67!

That was a good first log post I can see the effort you put into it. I agree with @s.gentz

First things first we need to get you to stop with the testosterone if you can hold off ok? You're too young and we can work with you with your natural Test levels which are undoubtedly high at your age. We need to get everything really dialed in for you in this order:

1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test, hormones and HPTA back up and running since you'll want to stay fertile and be able to have children one day)
2. Diet/Supps (we must see you have this dialed in with the proper macros and calories and supplements)
3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper and your strength has naturally plateaud)
4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away much later for a proper cycle suited and tailored to you)

Can you hold off on the Test for us for now and let us get you up to speed on #1-#3?

For example, a banana before bed isn't a good idea as it will spike your insulin and blood sugar and this isn't the best time to do that. If you're looking to bulk up we need to increase calories and reset where your macros (protein/fat/carbs) are coming from. Your training will have to be compound movements for bulking, etc.

Can we start, for now, with doing away with the steroids so you don't hurt yourself and we'll get the rest in check first?

100% agree with @HarleyGuy (and @s.gentz) here. at 22 ur natty test should be ripping already, and with ~1 yr consistent lifting there’s still a TON of free gains left. i’d hit pause on the test like the mods said and actually dial in #1-#3 first (diet/training/sleep) so you’re not “renting” muscle and paying for it later

also OP drop your big lifts + weekly avg weigh-ins + BP… that’ll tell everyone way more than arguing about pin angles.

 

[Mobster]

I'd have you, if only briefly, work as a coach or PT to correct form and get you to train better.

 

[HarleyGuy]

See also this thread live right now (he's 20): https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ertility-whilst-on-testosterone.108436/unread

Nice catch @Mobster very relatable thread to this one.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I go through this "phase" every couple of months

You can't go through a phase of anything and just add Test to save you from the 'phases'. Once you're consistent with diet and training for a year and your log gets in check then, maybe, we can suggest some sort of PED once nothing is a phase. PED's imo are for people that have made it part of their lifestyle to keep diet, training, supplementation, rest, recovery and mental health all part of their daily priorities and THEN add PED's to assist in getting beyond their natural abilities.

Why bother ruining your HPTA to "Performance Enhance" yourself during a 'phase' of proper adherence to this lifestyle?