First pH cycle questions

[TattedFreedom]

Hello all, I am brand new to the forum as well as to Ph's. I am planning on running my first cycle sometime next month and had some uncertainties on a few things.

To start off I am 24 yr old. I'm 6'3" and 250lbs, roughly 10% BF. I've been Lifting seriously for about 6 years now and have pushed my body to about as big as I'm going to get naturally. My diet is on point and has been for quite some time. High in protein (1-1.5g per lb of body weight) low carb, roughly around 80-120g a day depending on how I feel and about 80-120g of fat. 3000 calories a day.

My training is pretty damage good. I don't leave the gym until that muscle group is 100% exhuasted. Whether that means 4-5 sets or 10-12 sets for said muscle group.

My goal is to pack on lean mass while shreading some fat. Lean gains is the name of the game. So I've set out for chosen-1 (dry gains) and Abnormal to support fat loss and lean gains. I plan on running eradicate during cycle as well as gear support throughout the whole time (during and post). 8 week cycle, 6 week post cycle

As for pct, this is where my questions lie. Will PCT-V be a sufficient approach for my pct? Or will I absolutely have to use a serm? And if so Noval or clomid? I have concerns about using research chemicals as a pct, I've read they can lead to blindness and other horrifying maybe's. Is there any way around this? Any feedback is much appreciated.

 

[muskate]

All legit pro-hormones are now illegal with the bill that was passed. Any product you purchase now is going to be a very mild DHEA derived product or natural testosterone booster - it's a scam.

Even if they still were legal - There are MUCH better options available.

Pro hormones are some of the most toxic things you can possibly put into your body. Not only that, they leave very little in the term of keepable gains post cycle, and most pro hormones aromatize heavily and lead to estrogen related side effects. I could go on and on.

I do not recommend pro-hormone use at all. Either use steroids or SARMS. SARMS are a great legal alternative for someone not wanting to use steroids or injections. The SARMS triple stack would be a great first SARMS cycle to run: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of aromatization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

 

[TattedFreedom]

Defiantly will look into this alternative, thank you

 

[anabolx]

PH acts like steroids, so if you decide to run them. you should do the PCT protocol.

 

[TattedFreedom]

Any suggestions on my pct? Looks like I will have to go with clomid or noval, should I run both, or just one along side an ai

 

[anabolx]

Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Means 40mg ED for the first two weeks, after that 20mg Nolvadex for the last two weeks.
PCT will be 4 weeks.

I prefer to take the nolvadex at the morning. but it doesn't matter as long you take every day at the same time.

 

[TattedFreedom]

Will keep that in mind, thank you

 

[LevButlerov]

I don't see the point in using prohormones these days. They will cause the same side effects as steroids will, with more liver toxicity than the latter ones, but the results won't be as prominent with prohormones. Therefore, it makes more sense to either use steroids right away, if you are already cool with their side effects, or use SARMS if you want something a bit safer. For instance, SARMS will not cause any side effects at all, and yet they will render results that are close to prohormones or steroids. Therefore, either go the safe route with SARMS, or just use AAS.

Back in the days the only advantage of prohormones was the fact that they were legally sold, but since they are not legal any more, they have no advantages any more.

 

[TattedFreedom]

From what I understand, 1-Andro, 4-Andro, 5 dhea, epi andro, etc are all still legal compounds, are they not?

 

[Jay Scott]

Hello all, I am brand new to the forum as well as to Ph's. I am planning on running my first cycle sometime next month and had some uncertainties on a few things.

To start off I am 24 yr old. I'm 6'3" and 250lbs, roughly 10% BF. I've been Lifting seriously for about 6 years now and have pushed my body to about as big as I'm going to get naturally. My diet is on point and has been for quite some time. High in protein (1-1.5g per lb of body weight) low carb, roughly around 80-120g a day depending on how I feel and about 80-120g of fat. 3000 calories a day.

My training is pretty damage good. I don't leave the gym until that muscle group is 100% exhuasted. Whether that means 4-5 sets or 10-12 sets for said muscle group.

My goal is to pack on lean mass while shreading some fat. Lean gains is the name of the game. So I've set out for chosen-1 (dry gains) and Abnormal to support fat loss and lean gains. I plan on running eradicate during cycle as well as gear support throughout the whole time (during and post). 8 week cycle, 6 week post cycle

As for pct, this is where my questions lie. Will PCT-V be a sufficient approach for my pct? Or will I absolutely have to use a serm? And if so Noval or clomid? I have concerns about using research chemicals as a pct, I've read they can lead to blindness and other horrifying maybe's. Is there any way around this? Any feedback is much appreciated.

Probably this is not the answer you would like to hear, but I would not use prohormones. Even if I would get paid for it.

Either look up SARMS or just go straight to AAS, as prohormones are inferior to both options

 

[stevesmi]

it is a very weak pro hormone, that still shuts you down and causes side effects. yes you will need a full PCT.

if you are going to use this type of product you might as well use anabolic steroids, in many ways they are safer ironically, and they give you way better results vs. what you put your body through. these weak pro hormones have screwed a lot of guys up over the years, especially the younger guys who think just cause they are legal that they are okay to use.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

From what I understand, 1-Andro, 4-Andro, 5 dhea, epi andro, etc are all still legal compounds, are they not?

Yes, legal but very weak. Not worth taking in my opinion. You might as well start off with SARMS or just run your first AAS cycle of testosterone only. You will not see much for gains with modern PHs. The old ones that are now banned were more effective but are no longer an option.

 

[TattedFreedom]

Is hcgenerate es and n2 guard absolutely necessary? Seems like very pricy products for just for some vitamins and natty test boosters. Dont get me wrong, defiantly seems like a good group of compounds to help support everything, but nothing that eating clean and healthy, alongside with multi's, fish oils, ect. Can't do, right? Are there any alternatives? Price isn't an issue, I'm just a penny pincher lol