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docmus

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Hi Everyone,

I can't tell if I'm being paranoid or if I'm feeling symptoms of gyno. I just finished a cycle consisting of 300mg of test-e (10 weeks) and, what I thought was 50mg of Winstrol (5 weeks). After the last week of Winstrol I started feeling quite a bit more aggressive (mean) and started to get paranoid thinking I might be getting early onset of gyno. I'm no stranger to test-e, but i've never done Winstrol before. I was taking liquid Arimidex and N2guard for AI. I got everything excluding the N2Guard from the same source (friend) that I've known for years. I've always bought through him but that doesn't mean he can't also provide fakes on accident, but I do know that it's possible the Winny was dBol or something else.

About me: I'm 42, ex powerlifter looking to get into better shape again, probably 25%+ body fat (kids, lazy, injuries), and doing a 5x5 variation in my home gym in my garage. I've done maybe 15+ cycles throughout my powerlifting career and never had issues before so I'm kind of thrown for a loop on waht to do next.

I do, and have always kinda had, a big chest. At one point they turned into a decent set of man-boobs after having kids but they felt like they were tightening up when I started working out again. It's entirely possible that I just have more muscle underneath the fat now and it's pushing my boobs/nipples out a bit more, but I'm so paranoid about Gyno that It's bugging the shit out of me.

Right now my nipples are tingling, but I DID just spend most of yesterday obsessing over them and trying to feel for lumps so it's possible they are just tender.

I have labs that are going to be taken tomorrow and will share those results if anyone wants to help me look at them. At this point I don't know where to go other than to get the labs completed. I am currently taking Clomid, a little bit of expired Letro (2.5mg/day), N2Guard, and N2Generate.

Any recommendations on what I do next? I know i"m supposed to finish my PCT before taking the Letro, but didn't learn that until today form these forums.

Thanks guys and sorry for the long read - was trying to be as detailed as possible.

- Doc
 
2.5 mgs of Letrozole a day? That is a lot to take . I take 2.5mgs twice a week ... see what I am saying here . With that much Letrozole you should NOT have a Gyno problem ... UNLESS it’s fake Letrozole .
 
A lot of my questions were answered in another thread, and thanks to all for the help and advice. For sure I need to lose body fat percentage, i thought the easier way would be to put on a bit of muscle to help me burn calories then cut. Obviously if I knew that being fatter was more prone to side effects I would have trimmed down first; I didn't know to ask that question.

Just to be clear, my cycle which consisted of 10 weeks of 400mg of Test-E, 50mg of Winny from weeks 6-10, and .65 of arimidex 3 times a week from the first week, ended 10 days ago. I only started taking the Letrozole after the last shot 10 days ago as a precaution. I started seeing my boob stick out more and I thought I was getting gyno symptoms. My wife thinks they look the same and my chest is just bigger, but I'm paranoid I guess so I jumped on the Letrozole and posted up in here.
 
docmus said:
A lot of my questions were answered in another thread, and thanks to all for the help and advice. For sure I need to lose body fat percentage, i thought the easier way would be to put on a bit of muscle to help me burn calories then cut. Obviously if I knew that being fatter was more prone to side effects I would have trimmed down first; I didn't know to ask that question.

Just to be clear, my cycle which consisted of 10 weeks of 400mg of Test-E, 50mg of Winny from weeks 6-10, and .65 of arimidex 3 times a week from the first week, ended 10 days ago. I only started taking the Letrozole after the last shot 10 days ago as a precaution. I started seeing my boob stick out more and I thought I was getting gyno symptoms. My wife thinks they look the same and my chest is just bigger, but I'm paranoid I guess so I jumped on the Letrozole and posted up in here.
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If you start lactating then you are in real hell!
 
Haha let's hope it doesn't come to that. I didn't know that was a real thing.

I had my blood drawn at Lab Core today. I don't know what the turnaround time is but I'm guessing I'll have my results in a few days. I'll post them up and maybe you guys can help me read them.
 
docmus said:
A lot of my questions were answered in another thread, and thanks to all for the help and advice. For sure I need to lose body fat percentage, i thought the easier way would be to put on a bit of muscle to help me burn calories then cut. Obviously if I knew that being fatter was more prone to side effects I would have trimmed down first; I didn't know to ask that question.

Just to be clear, my cycle which consisted of 10 weeks of 400mg of Test-E, 50mg of Winny from weeks 6-10, and .65 of arimidex 3 times a week from the first week, ended 10 days ago. I only started taking the Letrozole after the last shot 10 days ago as a precaution. I started seeing my boob stick out more and I thought I was getting gyno symptoms. My wife thinks they look the same and my chest is just bigger, but I'm paranoid I guess so I jumped on the Letrozole and posted up in here.
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IMO - you have chest fat. Not gyno.

Winstrol doesn't aromatize into estrogen at all. Testosterone does but .65mg of arimidex 3x a week is more then plenty for 400mg/week of test
 
muskate said:
IMO - you have chest fat. Not gyno.

Winstrol doesn't aromatize into estrogen at all. Testosterone does but .65mg of arimidex 3x a week is more then plenty for 400mg/week of test
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If I understood him right, he's worrying his Winy was fake (he's suspecting dbol).

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OP, I'm pretty sure it's not gyno, before your nipples become porky, they will start itching, lumps under the nipples will appear later. Stop touching them or they will feel itchy which will only add to the confusion. And yeah, definitely post your lab results, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.
 
The short list:

Testosterone, Serum 951 - it says this is high
Luteinizing Hormone (LH) - 0.02 - it says this is low
FSH, Serum (FSH) - 0.3 - it says this is low
Estradiol - 6.0 - it says this is low

Is Estradiol my estrogen score?
 
Yes. It should also show what the normal range is so you would have an idea how low it is. It must be so low because of the letrozole you're taking, letro is a very potent drug.

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It is below the normal range, but not by very much. Letro can reduce E to near zero. You should probably switch back to aromasin (or was it arimidex that you were taking?) for the duration of your PCT.

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I was taking arimidex but stopped that about 12 days ago and started taking the 2.5mb of Letro. It will be 2 weeks since my last shot this coming Monday. I just started taking the Clomid yesterday (50mg/day) and will be taking Nolvadex per the PCT sticky posted on this forum starting on Monday. I also have N2Generate I'm already taking. Does my low estrogen count mean I can start tapering off my Letro?
 
Your labs show T level is still quite high, so yeah, you still need AI but absolutely don't need to be taking Letro especially in that high amounts.

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For my paranoia - is it possible I had high enough Estrogen to get a little gyno growing then, when i started taking the Letro, it killed my estrogen production? I started getting worried about my chest appearance (man boobs) about 2-3 weeks ago. My cycle would have been at about week 7 by then.

And I stopped playing with my chest and nipples because they were getting sore. I'm trying to leave them alone and just see what it looks like in a month or so after PTC and some heavy dieting and cardio.
 
I can't answer that question (whether it's possible or not) but I do know you're worrying too much and you don't need letro right now.

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Sounds good, thanks. I'm going to taper off the Letrozole and continue with my PCT.

I read that stopping Letrozole cold-turkey could give me a rebound in estrogen. So I"m guessing it's best to taper off. Up until yesterday I was doing 2.5mg/day and had been taking that much for about 7-8 days I think. Would it be OK if I started taking 1.25/mg Monday, Wednesday, and Friday next week, and .05 Monday, Wednesday, Friday the week after then stop after that? Is that enough taper?

My PCT that I'm taking now is Clomid and N2Generate and I will be adding Nolvadex starting Monday.
 
docmus said:
Sounds good, thanks. I'm going to taper off the Letrozole and continue with my PCT.

I read that stopping Letrozole cold-turkey could give me a rebound in estrogen. So I"m guessing it's best to taper off. Up until yesterday I was doing 2.5mg/day and had been taking that much for about 7-8 days I think. Would it be OK if I started taking 1.25/mg Monday, Wednesday, and Friday next week, and .05 Monday, Wednesday, Friday the week after then stop after that? Is that enough taper?

My PCT that I'm taking now is Clomid and N2Generate and I will be adding Nolvadex starting Monday.
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The PCT drugs clomid and nolvadex have anti estrogen properties so if you are using them, you don't need to taper off the letrozole. You can just stop using it
 
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