HALOTESTIN - Cycle Advice Needed

[quentingg]

Hi guys,

So I am deciding to do a GW and HALO cycle and I need some help.

Personal Background:
I am 18 years old, and have been training consistently for 5years. I row crew at a junior elite level and train 12 times per week.
Rowing is quite a unique sport in the fact that it requires great endurance and power, while having low body weight. Hence why I am considering Halo and GW.
I am 160lbs and 9% bf. Due to recent injuries (1year ago), I am not at my personal best, however I need to get back to my top performance quickly.
I have run the sarms triple stack along with a mini PCT recently, and although i saw increased endurance and recovery, I want to push it to the next level, hence looking into alternatives. I will use GW because I loved its increase in endurance.

Goal of Cycle:
To increase power, endurance and to help me through a super intense training period.

Cycle:
week 1-4: 20mg HALOTESTIN each day pre workout.
week 1-4: 20mg GW501516 each day pre workout.
week 1-4: N2Guard 9 caps each day.

Questions:
What PCT should I run and for how long? (I am reading mixed points on suppression but I am assuming it suppresses).
What Liver protectorates should I run and for how long? (A PCT outline would be very much appreciated).
What should I avoid while on cycle? (I know no alcohol and no over the counter drugs, but what about caffeine etc.?) - I will be eating a lot of fruit an veg/cholesterol friendly foods.
Is there anything else I should know?

Hope to hear from you all soon.

 

[MikeSnow]

You are 18 and want to run the harshest oral steroid ever created ??

 

[quentingg]

I definitely take your point, but at the same time I am fully aware that it is severely toxic to the liver, and has huge androgenic side effects, but on the other hand I have a real desire to break into new ground in my training and racing..

However since we are on this topic, how much worse are the side effects of a 4 week Halo cycle for a teen?

 

[stevesmi]

so let me get this straight.. you want to fuck up your HPTA and libido for life just so you can row faster?

way to have your priorities in order there. when you are 22 and girls laugh at you cause you can't get it up you will regret this stupid decision.

GW is fine.. its not a hormone.. but you shouldn't even be messing with sarm's at your age .. you want to get better at rowing? lift more and row more.

 

[stretch512]

I am not a rowing expert but I would have to agree with Steve on this point - "want to get better at rowing?? lift more and row more." Especially the row more part - just row more, just eat more and recover more. Focus on recovery and rowing and train your ass off you will be amazed. I didn't touch one supplement until I was over 31 and even then I could have said I was more conditioned that about 95% of the population so please take their advice - grow your self to your fullest potential and just train more. At this stage you can train just about as much as you want to. Just focus on quality recovery and make rowing your life and you can take it as far as your imagination will allow.

 

[RickRock]

This has bad idea written all over it. Stay away from all AAS, especially Halo at your age. I don't see a problem with GW, but you need to leave steroids alone. Your endocrine system is under development at your age, and you don't want to fuck with that

 

[44Blues]

I agree with all of the above. Eat more, row more, lift more! Stay away from AAS until you are older, Halo (or any AAS) at 18 is a bad idea.

 

[JackSteel]

I don't need to read anymore. You should use anything other than GW at your age bro


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[JackSteel]

Yup! Row eat sleep row bro


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[androdiesel89]

I would never recommend drugs in general to someone who's 18, but dude I would even recommend EPO before Halo!!!! It's just too nasty of a compound for a beginner, and that's totally leaving out the fact that it is a hormone that may very well mess you up in a plethora of ways, for good. There are plenty of supplements out there that help with endurance and strength, there are plenty of strength/training programms out there that will do a lot more good than hormones. Find a good sports specific (rowing) training center that will work with you on your diet, training programming, and rowing technique. This will be muuuuch more beneficial, particularly in the long run for your chosen endeavor. Perfect your skills, worry about gaining a chemical edge later, if at all. Be safe and good luck brotha

 

[quentingg]

Guys Thank you all for your quick responses! The general consensus is overwhelming and in turn thanks to your conviction I am going to stay away from any sort of AAS for a while.

Just a little explanation and slight apology: The reason for my naivety and in turn desire to use drugs, is because I have already won two titles at the junior world championships, but because of an injury I was pushed back very far. My dream is to be at that level again, and when you are so focused on one goal, you start to look at any option to bring you back to that level. I in turn started looking at drastic options and convinced myself that the sides were not that bad and that teens all over the world were using gear.

So thank you guys for your responses. I might speak to you guys soon in a few years, once I am more educated and developed. Its good to have a collection of athletes out there who are concerned about the newbies health, more than the results.

For now I am just going to do what I did previously, without the mistakes and I should get back to where I was faster. Well thats the theory at least.

 

[quentingg]

@androdiesel89 what supplements would you recommend? - I am on caffeine before I race… Creatine during the winter season (during the racing season I have to go off as I have to drop the water weight and become lean, as I am racing lightweight)…. BCAA and WPI all season long… Is there a particular PWO you would recommend for increased endurance, focus but minimal pumps as huge pumps are crippling in my sport...

 

[44Blues]

Guys Thank you all for your quick responses! The general consensus is overwhelming and in turn thanks to your conviction I am going to stay away from any sort of AAS for a while.

Just a little explanation and slight apology: The reason for my naivety and in turn desire to use drugs, is because I have already won two titles at the junior world championships, but because of an injury I was pushed back very far. My dream is to be at that level again, and when you are so focused on one goal, you start to look at any option to bring you back to that level. I in turn started looking at drastic options and convinced myself that the sides were not that bad and that teens all over the world were using gear.

So thank you guys for your responses. I might speak to you guys soon in a few years, once I am more educated and developed. Its good to have a collection of athletes out there who are concerned about the newbies health, more than the results.

For now I am just going to do what I did previously, without the mistakes and I should get back to where I was faster. Well thats the theory at least.

Good for you man, very wise decision at your age!

 

[androdiesel89]

"@androdiesel89 what supplements would you recommend? - I am on caffeine before I race… Creatine during the winter season (during the racing season I have to go off as I have to drop the water weight and become lean, as I am racing lightweight)…. BCAA and WPI all season long… Is there a particular PWO you would recommend for increased endurance, focus but minimal pumps as huge pumps are crippling in my sport..."

I can completely undestand (your previous post) being so motivated that you are driven to extremes. I myself delved into diuretics with wrestling, which inevitably led to injuries as i was obviously extremely dehydrated.

I digress, I would reccommend supps that are more stim based as opposed to NO (as you said muscle pumps are not your friend). There are specific endurance supplements geared towards runners and other endurance athletes. These might include cordyceps mushroom extract, vit/mineral complexes, ATP salts, carbs, etc. I only have personal experience with a few of these, I was just kinda generalizing that they are out there. My focus would be dialing in the diet and actual rowing technique. And, as I'm sure you know, actual rowing is not the only way to get better at rowing. To get a better bench or squat, the guys at Westside Barbell box squat, do reverse hypers, lat work, etc. other exercises than the target one. Louie (owner of Westside) has worked with college guys before they enter the combine. They better their 40 times, etc. by squating explosively, not by actually running the sprint.
Stay motivated brotha

 

[themessemger]

^^^^ This.

Plus you haven't even reached your genetic potential yet. eat, sleep, train grow. Halo, from what I gather as I have never used it, is most suited to strength sports, i.e. powerlifting, strongman, OLY. Where Type IIb muscle fiber recruitment are the most important. Those relate to sheer strength and explosive strength.

You need to be able to use Type IIB, IIA and Type I all in the same event, i.e you need to be able to take advantage of more then just your short cycle energy systems. Halo can have negative effects on your medium and long cycle energy systems

My first cycle of EPO, hGH, and micro doses of fresh blood was at 19 when I was racing. That combined with some amphetamines on race day made me a pulling freak. But looking back I wish I could take back doing that, or at least waiting another 5-6 years. Plus....I would drop out of races, so I would never be pulled into testing.

If you cant be talked out of it, for your sport, EPO, GW, Aicar, Cera. Again. These are all gene doping drugs. Meaning they will have lasting affects on your entire body, i.e. enlarged heart, polyps, anemia etc. GW is the new kid on the block. Not much is know of lasting effects, years down the road.

 

[stevesmi]

coming back from an injury using anabolic steroids is a huge mistake

you come back from injuries via muscle memory. ever notice pro athletes have offseasons? there is a reason for that. it allows their bodies to rest, then once camp starts their bodies quickly get back into top shape for the season.. that's why you have camp, preseason before they play the game

so hence you should be coming back slowly and training to get back to where you were before. not depending on steroids to get you back faster anyway.. so even if you were 35 I still would tell you not to use steroids for this purpose.