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hi im new to this forum but ive read alot of things here and am happy to have registered. Anyhow i have ran one cycle so far test e and dbol i ran blood work before during and then 2 weeks after Pct. everything went well but for this next cycle i want to incorprate HCG in hopes to keep more gains and ease recovery. my question is is HCG a must? and would it greatly benifit me if i am planning on running 12 weeks of test e 600mg/ week. i understand its function and role but i have been told it really doesnt matter either way. and seeing as though i cannot find it anywhere am i g2g without or should i wait?
You will hear many knowledgable voices to the contrary, but I swear by HCG - I indeed love it. I've been using it for several years now and without a single noticeable side effect. And it restores my testicles to their full size very quickly when I use it during PCT. Yes, during PCT.
As for finding it, I purchase all of my HCG from Promedications.org .Great prices, wide selection, great discounts, excellent customer service. Their listed in this forums "Source Reviews."
And, no, I am not affiliated with Promedications.org in any other way than my being a customer. Nor do I sell HCG nor anything else.
As for finding it, I purchase all of my HCG from Promedications.org .Great prices, wide selection, great discounts, excellent customer service. Their listed in this forums "Source Reviews."
And, no, I am not affiliated with Promedications.org in any other way than my being a customer. Nor do I sell HCG nor anything else.
I wouldn't use HCG with your cycle. HCG is some nasty stuff. It actually raises estrogen levels and often is what CAUSES the gyno people experience from their cycle. Read this: http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/
I would use HCGenerate from n2bm.com instead. 5 capsules/day.
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/C...erate-p45.html
I would use HCGenerate from n2bm.com instead. 5 capsules/day.
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/C...erate-p45.html
I couldn't disagree any more than what I do. To each his own.
hcg helps you keep the strength and muscle gains you worked, and i have been using it for half a year without any side effect for me
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You should not be using HCG, as it may cause such side effects as suppression and gyno, while its benefits are almost absent. It will not help you with the recovery of the natural testosterone production, as it will only mimic the functions of LH and FSH, so the test levels will raise while on it, but they will drop right after you stop taking HCG. Therefore, the risk of ending up suppressed and/or with gyno is definitely not worth it. Besides, on cycle it will do nothing for your gains - the only plausible use for HCG on cycle is to keep your balls from shrinking, but there are much safer and just as effective alternatives. For instance, HCGenerate will do wonders to keep your balls going. Additionally, HCGenerate will be much more beneficial during PCT, as it will actually stimulate your LH and FSH, so your body will keep on producing testosterone even when you stop taking this supplement. What's more, it is much more convenient, as it is taken orally, and it will cause no side effects at all.
During the cycle you should be using AI's to keep estrogen under control, not SERMS.
The fact that you did not experience any side effects so far does not mean that you will never have those, and that other people are immune to its side effects. That's the worst part of the side effects - they are unpredictable, so you never know when they will take place.
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Its weird. During PCT? Usually if I would ever consider taking it, it would be just before PCT, as the cycle is ending, to revive the testes and then give the glands signals with clomid and nolva.
I don't run it I'm HRT. But if I was going to try to "recover" or a long cycle I would run it.
That's a point that I neglected in my praise of HCG listed above. But I strongly agree.
I have been using it for nearly six years without any noticeable side effects.
I too have injected HCG prior to PCT, for that very purpose and with great success. But I have also used it during PCT when, on occasion, my testicles have needed help. And again, it has always worked very quickly, very well and with no noticeable side effects. Weird? Perhaps. But it works for me, and blood tests have never indicated any problems.
hcg will help plump up the nuts cause it mimics LH, so it fuels the leydig cells.. unfortunately by bypassing the pituitary glands you are suppressing them, so you should never run hcg during PCT. to the person who said that it works for them. yes it will work for this purpose however you still have to run a PCT after it ... once you start pct you definitely do not want to be suppressing your HPTA any further, it will only delay recovery.
the only time you should run it is before pct. and even then why not just use hcgenerate which will plump up the balls, help cholesterol levels, and help you recover. plus its natural and safe.
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if you are stacking hcg with a SERM you will not notice anything from blood work as both negate each other.
hcg will suppress LH, while the SERM's will increase them. its a yin and yang effect and if you think about it logically all you are doing here is yo-yo ing your HPTA. if you truly want to recover your HPTA to full capacity you must come off all drugs at some point so your body has a chance to recover on its own. blood work taken during PCT while on drugs is not going to be accurate for this reason. you have to stop all drugs and wait 3-4 weeks to get a good idea of what is truly going on.
I talked to a guy who ran hcg and clomid after being on steroids a while. his testosterone levels shot up to over 1000 and he was so happy and declared himself recovered and was ready to jump back on cycle. so I told him to wait 3-4 weeks and then run blood work again. luckily he listened and his bloods after 3-4 weeks came back in the 200's. after that he gave up on PCT totally and hopped on TRT. his name is gladiator over on EF and I will try and talk to him to see if he will come on here to share his story.
it is a real shame but my point is that PCT is only a tool, and depending totally on drugs is a mistake. you must naturally recover your HPTA without any interference from drugs if it is to truly recover. if that wasn't true then docs wouldn't need to put guys on TRT for life. they could just run some clomid and hcg and be g2g
so my point is if you insist on hcg after cycle that is your prerogative, just make sure you follow that up with a natural PCT.. otherwise you are only going to be delaying trouble
the only time you should run it is before pct. and even then why not just use hcgenerate which will plump up the balls, help cholesterol levels, and help you recover. plus its natural and safe.
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if you are stacking hcg with a SERM you will not notice anything from blood work as both negate each other.
hcg will suppress LH, while the SERM's will increase them. its a yin and yang effect and if you think about it logically all you are doing here is yo-yo ing your HPTA. if you truly want to recover your HPTA to full capacity you must come off all drugs at some point so your body has a chance to recover on its own. blood work taken during PCT while on drugs is not going to be accurate for this reason. you have to stop all drugs and wait 3-4 weeks to get a good idea of what is truly going on.
I talked to a guy who ran hcg and clomid after being on steroids a while. his testosterone levels shot up to over 1000 and he was so happy and declared himself recovered and was ready to jump back on cycle. so I told him to wait 3-4 weeks and then run blood work again. luckily he listened and his bloods after 3-4 weeks came back in the 200's. after that he gave up on PCT totally and hopped on TRT. his name is gladiator over on EF and I will try and talk to him to see if he will come on here to share his story.
it is a real shame but my point is that PCT is only a tool, and depending totally on drugs is a mistake. you must naturally recover your HPTA without any interference from drugs if it is to truly recover. if that wasn't true then docs wouldn't need to put guys on TRT for life. they could just run some clomid and hcg and be g2g
so my point is if you insist on hcg after cycle that is your prerogative, just make sure you follow that up with a natural PCT.. otherwise you are only going to be delaying trouble
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I prefer to stay with a natural test booster like HCGenerate ES. I have always responded to it as far as nuts coming back and easing into SERMS. I don't want to add another chemical if everything is working as is. It is also another injection to deal with.
What do you mean by "natural PCT," Steve? I do run HCG in conjunction with HCG during PCT. But I'm confused by the phrase "natural PCT." Thank you.
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Check that. I meant to write "I do run HCG in conjunction with clomid, nolvadex and, when needed, anastrozle."
thanks for posting this man it puts this in a better perspective for me.
for me,start pct after cycle ended up.run clomid for recovery.noticed that dont use hgh during pct weeks
