help the new guy

[mikerow7]

hey guys I'm new to the forums but I've used the site and read thru some threads for awhile now. A little about me I'm 6ft, 240lbs, around 20% bf and I'm 24 turning 25 in December. I have a home gym with pretty much everything I need all free weights with the exception of some pully machines. I've been working out for 5 years now consistatly and by consistently I mean I've only taken off/missed a hand full of weeks in that 5 years. My training has been more powerlifting style for the last 2 years although my numbers are nothing to brag about. I was very athletic in school so after highschool when I found the weight room its really become a passion. So on to my point I have finally found a source and I'm gonna be running my first cycle (other than a prohormone cycle I did once) and I was wanting yalls help.I plan on running

dbol 20mg week, week 1-6
test E 500mg week, week 1-12
nolva week 14-18 at 40 mg, 30mg and 20mg the last two weeks.

I am cutting now and im planing on running this ina few months from now im wanting to get some good quality muscle mass and stay fairly lean and hold onto as much as possible.So any advice would greatly be appreciated as I work out at home its hard to find guys to ask these types of questions. Also I can't find clomid do I need it or will nolva ony be fine? Also do I need an AI for on cycle as well with the high estrogen turn over from dbol? again any help will be greatly appreciated and I hope to get to know and learn from some of the more educated guys on the forum.

 

[Nordic F]

first off your bf is way too high. Running a cycle would be counter productive imo. Especially running one with dbol. The dbol use at such high bf would cause instant gyno issues. You need to do some cardio and dieting before even considering a cycle. Also at the age of 24 i don't think steroids are a good idea anyways.

Look into the sarms area. Get to know the substances. And ask one of the guys here who are experience with it to lay a cycle out for you. That would be much more beneficial and you would lose weight faster. Not to mention the sarms aren't hormones so you won't have to worry about growing breast tissue.

Buy the sarms from sarms1.com

 

[mikerow7]

thank for the help but I'm a little confused as I said I am cutting now. when I started working out I was 180 after 2 years I was up too 225 I cut back down to 190 and felt really small so since then almost 2 and a half years give or take I've been bulking up and focusing on getting my lifts up big time for me and here I am now working on cutting back down I wanna do that naturally I don't want to take anything to get cut up at the moment thats something I believe I should be able to do on my own (which i have before) or I don't have my shit together enough. I wasnt gonna start this cycle until sometime early next year maybe April or so by then I should be down to my ideal bf I just want to know these things a head of time instead finding out a month before I start my cycle. as for my age I'll be 25 with 6 years of hard work under my belt in the gym is that really too soon? when do most ppl take their first cycle then?

 

[stevesmi]

you have to figure out what your goals are.. if you want to cut down now you will lose strength. steroids are not fat burners, especially that cycle you want to run. your appetite will go way up and you will retain water, even if you run an AI which I didn't even see in your layout.

if you want to cut down it is very simple. cardio and diet change. but like I said you WILL lose strength in the process.. every pound of mass you lose whether it is fat or muscle will bring your strength down a notch

so here is what you should do. use sarm's to prevent muscle wasting and cut way down using diet and cardio. then once your body fat is low where you are comfortable then bulk back up but do it smart where you aren't putting on slabs of fat. I guarantee your strength gains will come back and you will set PR's at a lower body fat if you do this strategy vs. hopping on steroids now at a high body fat and just bulking up more.

 

[mikerow7]

well thank you again I don't know if I was clear enough but everything you said I believe I've already said. I'm def planning on losing the fat first, I'd like to do that with out any help from sarms or anything I've done it before with no problem it just takes some time and control. as for losing strength I've always cut slow enough I don't really lose much strength as I said I've been powerlifting so I keep a close eye on my strength the last time I cut my bench dropped about 10lbs and that was it. so just to be clear this is something i plan on doing idk maybe 6 months from now, give or take. so hypothetically if I was old enough and cut up enough to start this is, is there anything I'm leaving out?

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oh and my goals are to put on lean muscle AFTER this cut. not right now

 

[fixitall85]

you have to figure out what your goals are.. if you want to cut down now you will lose strength. steroids are not fat burners, especially that cycle you want to run. your appetite will go way up and you will retain water, even if you run an AI which I didn't even see in your layout.

if you want to cut down it is very simple. cardio and diet change. but like I said you WILL lose strength in the process.. every pound of mass you lose whether it is fat or muscle will bring your strength down a notch

so here is what you should do. use sarm's to prevent muscle wasting and cut way down using diet and cardio. then once your body fat is low where you are comfortable then bulk back up but do it smart where you aren't putting on slabs of fat. I guarantee your strength gains will come back and you will set PR's at a lower body fat if you do this strategy vs. hopping on steroids now at a high body fat and just bulking up more.

Hi Steve.

My name is Alex.

I'm actually just starting out as well, only have experience taking PHs, which was pretty much like a placebo.

Was wondering if I could get some advice for you regarding the dbol-only cycle here: http://www.evolutionary.org/evolutionary-dianabol-only-cycle/

Do you think you could help me figure some stuff out? or should I just make a new post in the forum?

 

[muskate]

hey guys I'm new to the forums but I've used the site and read thru some threads for awhile now. A little about me I'm 6ft, 240lbs, around 20% bf and I'm 24 turning 25 in December. I have a home gym with pretty much everything I need all free weights with the exception of some pully machines. I've been working out for 5 years now consistatly and by consistently I mean I've only taken off/missed a hand full of weeks in that 5 years. My training has been more powerlifting style for the last 2 years although my numbers are nothing to brag about. I was very athletic in school so after highschool when I found the weight room its really become a passion. So on to my point I have finally found a source and I'm gonna be running my first cycle (other than a prohormone cycle I did once) and I was wanting yalls help.I plan on running

dbol 20mg week, week 1-6
test E 500mg week, week 1-12
nolva week 14-18 at 40 mg, 30mg and 20mg the last two weeks.

I am cutting now and im planing on running this ina few months from now im wanting to get some good quality muscle mass and stay fairly lean and hold onto as much as possible.So any advice would greatly be appreciated as I work out at home its hard to find guys to ask these types of questions. Also I can't find clomid do I need it or will nolva ony be fine? Also do I need an AI for on cycle as well with the high estrogen turn over from dbol? again any help will be greatly appreciated and I hope to get to know and learn from some of the more educated guys on the forum.

1. Get to 12% body fat or less BEFORE staring your cycle. Starting a cycle at any higher body fat then that is going to put a lot of stress on your body and organs.

2. YES. You need an AI with every cycle.

3. Your PCT needs MAJOR improvement. Your HPTA will not recover from the PCT you have now.

4. Dbol is very liver toxic so make sure to run a liver aid when using it.

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

weeks 1 -6
dbol 20mg/day
n2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

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Hi Steve.

My name is Alex.

I'm actually just starting out as well, only have experience taking PHs, which was pretty much like a placebo.

Was wondering if I could get some advice for you regarding the dbol-only cycle here: http://www.evolutionary.org/evolutionary-dianabol-only-cycle/

Do you think you could help me figure some stuff out? or should I just make a new post in the forum?

Running a dbol only cycle is not a good idea in my opinion. It will leave very little in the way of keepable gains once you are done your cycle and dbol is very liver toxic. SARMS would be a much better option. Look into the SARM triple stack: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of aromatization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

 

[mikerow7]

thank you very much, that was what I was trying to find out I appreciate all the info I will use every bit of it.

 

[LevButlerov]

You need to get a bit more shredded before jumping into AAS. Try starting with a SARMs triple stack first - it will get you body conditioned for AAS use, and it has no side effects. Besides, you will save on the ancillaries and PCT, as it requires a much milder PCT than AAS do.

As for the cycle, you definitely need to add an AI, such as Aromasin, from the first day of the cycle. Also, a PCT of only Nolva is not a PCT. It must be much more comprehensive and complete. Do a bit more research, and my personall recommendation would be for you to run the SARMs triple stack - it is just too early for AAS. And have no worries - SARMs also give very noticeable results.

 

[mikerow7]

you guys are pushing the sarms pretty hard what's up with that? if I'm looking at it right I'm gonna be easily spending double the amount of money on the sarms then I would a cycle of AAS with an 8th the potental? why would I do that?

 

[gearhead]

you guys are pushing the sarms pretty hard what's up with that? if I'm looking at it right I'm gonna be easily spending double the amount of money on the sarms then I would a cycle of AAS with an 8th the potental? why would I do that?

bro sarms are worth it...and yes i promote sarms and use sarms openly brother...no secret...too many brothers are using steroids and hurting their health when should NOT touch steroids with 1000 foot pole...SARMS are a good alternative for our bros to build up a good muscle base and prep for possible future cycles...choice is yours brother, do your research but i recommend what i use and even my girl uses

http://www.evolutionary.org/steroids/SARMS

 

[Nordic F]

Ive been cycling for 10 years man. As most of these other guys here who promote sarms. I have never done them but with the backing this crew gives them i wouldn't think its a sales pitch in any way. I get my batch of sarms next week and am excited to try it. Its been around long enough where i believe that they actually work.

And as GH stated not everyone should be doing steroids, have the knowledge to do them, or are too young. Sarms are simple, effective (which i know ill find out), no injections needed, and are safe for people to take with little to no side effects on the body compared to pro hormones and steroids. Don't get me wrong, i like to cycle, but would you want to try something that could possibly work really well with less health concerns?

Its your body, don't cheap out

 

[LevButlerov]

you guys are pushing the sarms pretty hard what's up with that? if I'm looking at it right I'm gonna be easily spending double the amount of money on the sarms then I would a cycle of AAS with an 8th the potental? why would I do that?

It is about your health right now. You are not in the proper shape for AAS use, and you will get some prominent side effects with your BF%. Remember - steroids are just the topping of the cake, which requires a good physical shape, and theoretical knowledge. Right now, you don't have any of these, and there is nothing wrong with it - we all started at some point. However, AAS will hurt you more now than benefit. Hence the reason it is best to run SARMs by now. They might be more expensive, but it will cost you more to deal with the consequences of AAS misuse.

 

[stevesmi]

you guys are pushing the sarms pretty hard what's up with that? if I'm looking at it right I'm gonna be easily spending double the amount of money on the sarms then I would a cycle of AAS with an 8th the potental? why would I do that?

because steroids aren't cutting drugs.

also you can easily get away with LGD and GW stack. or osta/GW. that isn't expensive at all and the recovery will be much easier and faster. a steroid PCT and bridge is going to run you a lot assuming you want to recover and hold your gains. but sarm's pct's are cheap and easy

but hey bro do what you would like.. i'm just saying that recomping is a helluva lot easier on sarms then AAS

 

[mikerow7]

well I hope I didn't come of wrong I'm not bashing any of yalls opinions on the sarms I've just never heard of them until this thread and they seem very expensive not even just a little, at least the cycle that was mentioned earlier. and as for my bf% goes I might have fed y'all misinfromation I was purely guessing I've never had it checked and as I said I work out at a home gym so i don't have the opportunity to ask anyone educated i was purely guessing from pictures I've seen. while I still know I'm a little fluffy for a cycle now (that's why I said I wanted this info ahead of time for a cycle after I cut down) I'm by no means fat I have put on a good deal of muscle and coming from an athletic back ground and being a natrually bigger guy I didn't start off a pueny guy. if physiques were like football I'm more of a tightend I'm deffinantly no linebacker. I am in no way disregarding any of yalls advice or anything like that I will do my research on the sarms. can someone give me a ball park estimate for a cycle bc using sarms.com with what has been suggested I didn't even get through half the cycle and was hitting $1000 lol and I'm not trying to spend that much on a cycle of supplements. also if someone could give me a little background or first hand experience with them. I've done a short guy session on them and mostly I got back websites trying to sell them or articles about them from websites selling them which I don't trust.

 

[MikeSnow]

Welcome to the forums! At that bodyfat I suggest staying away from steroids for a little while longer, especially Dbol

 

[Nordic F]

nah man. we don't think you're bashing anything. We here just want to make sure that people are as educated as they can be and make the right decisions on what they are going to do to themselves. Knowledge is power moreso than being able to curl 100lb dbs

 

[AddarInc]

All answers above lol. I'm too slow

 

[muskate]

well I hope I didn't come of wrong I'm not bashing any of yalls opinions on the sarms I've just never heard of them until this thread and they seem very expensive not even just a little, at least the cycle that was mentioned earlier. and as for my bf% goes I might have fed y'all misinfromation I was purely guessing I've never had it checked and as I said I work out at a home gym so i don't have the opportunity to ask anyone educated i was purely guessing from pictures I've seen. while I still know I'm a little fluffy for a cycle now (that's why I said I wanted this info ahead of time for a cycle after I cut down) I'm by no means fat I have put on a good deal of muscle and coming from an athletic back ground and being a natrually bigger guy I didn't start off a pueny guy. if physiques were like football I'm more of a tightend I'm deffinantly no linebacker. I am in no way disregarding any of yalls advice or anything like that I will do my research on the sarms. can someone give me a ball park estimate for a cycle bc using sarms.com with what has been suggested I didn't even get through half the cycle and was hitting $1000 lol and I'm not trying to spend that much on a cycle of supplements. also if someone could give me a little background or first hand experience with them. I've done a short guy session on them and mostly I got back websites trying to sell them or articles about them from websites selling them which I don't trust.

For a very effective, side effect free, cutting stack, Cardarine GW stacked with n2slin is going to be your best option.
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/F...2Slin-p50.html
http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/
Cardarine is drug that binds to the PPAR receptor and is non-hormonal. Cardarine increases the expression of genes involved in the expenditure of energy, stimulates glucose uptake in skeletal muscle tissue and burns fat by stimulating fatty acid oxidation.
N2slin is a non-stimulant fat burner and powerful nutrient partitioner. It increases insulin sensitivity of muscle cells and helps partition the food you eat into muscle cells and away from fat cells.
Take 20mg of cardarine gw per day. 10mg AM 10mg PM
Take 2 tablets N2slin 30 minutes before each meal you eat that contains a significant amount of carbohydrates.

 

[Mrsurgeon28]

Have you considered tren. I would recommend masteron but only once your 10% or below.

 

[the rock]

Mike row, Exactly, This is my humble non educated opinion only.These guys are here are experts. Yes diet hard what ever you're doing thats causing you to hold this weight stop maybe drinking,Then work hard ,Stay away from orals and start with test cyp, and prop, Get you're abs and the move on to maybe an other AAS or maybe dbol, but dbol is crap why mess with your liver, Hit test hard, Make sure your dick is working well through all of this and keep you aromasin eod 12.5 mg. Test is the best foundation move from there, When you bench 400 .re post this ... Good luck bro...

 

[mikerow7]

thanks to all!

 

[MikeSnow]

If sarms didn't work though you wouldnt hear about college athletes and TONS of crossfit competitors getting busted for them every fucking day.. It just depends on where you get your sarms from, the evidence is clearly there that they do in fact work... They are NOT steroids or in the same class, I'm not sure why some guys are like "I'd just rather take AAS than sarms" well no shit, no one is saying that ..