Ideas for a good second cycle

[G1LL1CK]

I'm currently looking at planning my second cycle, which will be either 6 or 12 months away depending how everything pans out..
I'm currently sitting at 180lbs with 12%..
My first cycle was 4weeks of dbol at 30mg ed with 13 weeks of test e at 500mg/w..
I still have enough dbol to do 30mg for 2-3weeks next cycle but I might just flog it off to someone else cos I'm a little prone to gyno so I'll see how I go..

What's a good bulking cycle for next time around?
I'm not looking to cut, I want to put on some quality size..

Test + Deca
Low test + high tren
High test + low tren

All opinions are appreciated, thanks lads

 

[muskate]

If you are sensitive to gyno - I would do test + eq. EQ is similar to deca but it aromatizes a lot less and will cause a lot less water retention.

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 16
testosterone 500mg/week
EQ 300mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[G1LL1CK]

Cheers muskate!
I don't really know anything about Eq so I'll start researching it..
Thanks for the plan

 

[LevButlerov]

If you are prone to gyno, then EQ is definitely the better option for you. In any case, I would not recommend using trenbolone on a second cycle, and deca may cause you gyno, so better don't use it. In any case, deca works quite slow, so you will be getting good results in the same amount of weeks with EQ. The only difference will be that EQ will give really high quality gains without water retention or bloating, as it can happen with deca. Therefore, you will be saving time by not having to cut later. Besides, EQ is a much safer steroid in terms of side effects.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

If you are prone to gyno, then EQ is definitely the better option for you. In any case, I would not recommend using trenbolone on a second cycle, and deca may cause you gyno, so better don't use it. In any case, deca works quite slow, so you will be getting good results in the same amount of weeks with EQ. The only difference will be that EQ will give really high quality gains without water retention or bloating, as it can happen with deca. Therefore, you will be saving time by not having to cut later. Besides, EQ is a much safer steroid in terms of side effects.

Great points here. Definitely be careful when choosing compounds if gyno prone. I am using EQ now and it is just starting to kick in. I can give you some results over the next weeks.

 

[YuanWank]

What these guys said.

Sucks you think you're gyno prone because test/deca is awesome. But gyno is no joke so EQ may be your best best. You'll need a longer cycle, like 16 weeks. I'd do test 500/wk, EQ 400/wk. Still keep AI on hand. I did EQ once several years ago and got the ole limp dick because I was stupid and F'd up my AI. That was a lesson learned quickly haha.

I'm you wanted to go a little different route you could do like a test/primo cycle. People use primo to cut but you could still put on some nice lean gains stacked with the test and it's super low on sides. Just an possible alternative if you don't wanna run EQ for some reason.

Also, I wouldn't run the dbol is you're gyno prone.

 

[G1LL1CK]

Yeah it sucks, I got gyno when I was a teen like most guys do but mine didn't completely go away.. It left a little pea sized piece under my left nipple, which is in no way noticeable to anyone other than myself..
While using the dbol I really felt it kicking in though so I ended up splitting the times.. I did 2 weeks dbol then had a 2 week break & did another 2 weeks on..
I had my blood work done around week 8-9 & my oestro came up super high.. I was using aromasin at 12.5mg EOD & didn't realize the oestro numbers were high until now looking back..
Next time around I'll have to up it to 25mg EOD & just monitor..
Does anyone here front load?
Using steroidcalc if you put in these numbers below these compounds reach peak levels after the second pin..
I know the number I'm writing for the first week of eq is crazy high but looking at this website the levels seem ideal..

Week 1 -
EQ @ 700mg 2/wk
Test E @ 400mg 2/wk

Week 2 onwards -
EQ @ 200mg 2/wk
Test E @ 250mg 2/wk

Steroidcalc is the website I used, if you put those numbers in it looks good but I've got 0 experience so I'm curious what you guys think about this front load?

 

[HFC]

Okay, from start to finish,

Letrozole may help with the gyno & high aromatisers of estrogen will run it low dose on cycle.
Forget the dbol, its not your friend although I know you love it.
Make sure your arom is legit.
Guys do front load EQ a bit, I'd start lower with EQ, guys are always reporting anxiety sides, BP in the longer run due to RBc increase. Start @ 400mg/week & you should see results in 4-5 weeks. Keep test @ 400.

 

[stevesmi]

bud if you are gyno sensitive you need to stay away from aromatizing compounds

I have a client who has gyno issues and I just have him run dry compounds only..

 

[muskate]

Yeah it sucks, I got gyno when I was a teen like most guys do but mine didn't completely go away.. It left a little pea sized piece under my left nipple, which is in no way noticeable to anyone other than myself..
While using the dbol I really felt it kicking in though so I ended up splitting the times.. I did 2 weeks dbol then had a 2 week break & did another 2 weeks on..
I had my blood work done around week 8-9 & my oestro came up super high.. I was using aromasin at 12.5mg EOD & didn't realize the oestro numbers were high until now looking back..
Next time around I'll have to up it to 25mg EOD & just monitor..
Does anyone here front load?
Using steroidcalc if you put in these numbers below these compounds reach peak levels after the second pin..
I know the number I'm writing for the first week of eq is crazy high but looking at this website the levels seem ideal..

Week 1 -
EQ @ 700mg 2/wk
Test E @ 400mg 2/wk

Week 2 onwards -
EQ @ 200mg 2/wk
Test E @ 250mg 2/wk

Steroidcalc is the website I used, if you put those numbers in it looks good but I've got 0 experience so I'm curious what you guys think about this front load?

Keep it simple stupid. There is no need to front load. It is actually better NOT to front load because the hormones gradually build up in your system that way and your body has more of a time to adjust.

12.5mg of aromasin EOD is plenty for most people. It sounds to me like your aromasin was fake. I would order aromasin from a quality source (such as ag-guys.com) and stick with the dosage of 12.5mg EOD. Get blood work done 5-6 weeks into your cycle to make sure your estrogen levels are in the low-normal range.

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 16
testosterone 500mg/week
EQ 300mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I am a big fan of keeping things simple instead of overcomplicating cycles. I would just run the layout Muskate has above. I am running something very similar now and it makes it easy to manage.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah it sucks, I got gyno when I was a teen like most guys do but mine didn't completely go away.. It left a little pea sized piece under my left nipple, which is in no way noticeable to anyone other than myself..
While using the dbol I really felt it kicking in though so I ended up splitting the times.. I did 2 weeks dbol then had a 2 week break & did another 2 weeks on..
I had my blood work done around week 8-9 & my oestro came up super high.. I was using aromasin at 12.5mg EOD & didn't realize the oestro numbers were high until now looking back..
Next time around I'll have to up it to 25mg EOD & just monitor..
Does anyone here front load?
Using steroidcalc if you put in these numbers below these compounds reach peak levels after the second pin..
I know the number I'm writing for the first week of eq is crazy high but looking at this website the levels seem ideal..

Week 1 -
EQ @ 700mg 2/wk
Test E @ 400mg 2/wk

Week 2 onwards -
EQ @ 200mg 2/wk
Test E @ 250mg 2/wk

Steroidcalc is the website I used, if you put those numbers in it looks good but I've got 0 experience so I'm curious what you guys think about this front load?

No need to frontload - in any case it will take time for the compounds to start working, even if you put a lot of them into your body. Better go with the normal dosage all along, from the beginning till the end. And you can increase the dosages a bit - you won't get too much from 250 mgs of test and 200 mgs of EQ. It will be absolutely safe to go up to 400-500 mgs of test, and 300-400 mgs of EQ. Just don't forget to use the ancillaries.

 

[G1LL1CK]

Is there any compiled list of dry steroids online? Google hasn't helped me too much..
By the sounds of it dry compounds are going to be the ones I'll be sticking to so I want to jump on & put some research into them

 

[gearhead]

Is there any compiled list of dry steroids online? Google hasn't helped me too much..
By the sounds of it dry compounds are going to be the ones I'll be sticking to so I want to jump on & put some research into them

bro you mean for cutting aka dry? like tren/winstrol/anavar/primobolan/masteron

 

[G1LL1CK]

bro you mean for cutting aka dry? like tren/winstrol/anavar/primobolan/masteron

Yeah sorry I might have the terminology wrong, I mean compounds that are less likely to aromatise into oestrogen

 

[G1LL1CK]

But still useful for putting on mass.. cutting isn't really what I'm wanting to do