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If you've done research on different carrier oils, then perhaps you have heard about the "incredible" Miglyol 840. It has a viscosity of 9-12, but is thick as hell and has been known to be able to hold incredible concentrations of gear without any issue. Its a superior version of MCT's. I've heard gear that's highly concentrated can be shot through a 30 gauge needle without an issue.

I personally haven't used it yet (but I'm going to start the tests soon, when I finish receiving everything), but I've heard a lot of incredible things about it. So through my own company and the certain licenses I hold for certain things, I have secured a direct source from the supplier. It took forever to do this. I spent a LOT of time going through resellers all over the place. I was quoted from $100-300 per liter by some sellers, which I felt was ridiculous because they would THEN force me to buy a massive amount (it was something like a minimum order of $5000). Then I got screened by the distribution branch of the company for all sorts of shit.

Anyways, I have secured a direct source from the ACTUAL supplier -- not some shady chinese chemical company. By doing this, I have been able to secure it for a lower price (but large quantities). But I had to buy a LOT to get the prices I did (lets just say many gallons in a drum lol). So I have some extra that I'm willing to sell off.

If you've done your research, you know this speaks for itself.

Anyways, I'm looking to sell it at $70 per liter. And if you have a good powder source, I'll sell it at $50 per liter + that source. If you buy 10 liters or more, I will sell it for $55 per liter.

If there is a lot of interest in this oil, I will consider becoming a supplier on this forum for it. Its not a drug, so there isn't all the legal BS to go along with having it shipped to you.
 
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Here is some more info on Miglyol 840.

Refractive index - 1.440 – 1.442
Density at 20 °C - 0.91 – 0.93
Viscosity at 20 °C - 9 – 12


Here's a post from another forum talking about his experience:


It was depressing when I was drawing the Miglyol out of it's container, as it was thicker then anything I've used to date, at one point I thought it might even clog my Pipette...it didn't. I went with:

- 10 gram Test P
-14% BB
-2% BA
-The rest was Miglyol
-After I was done brewing, I let it cool (as not to damage the filter)I backloaded a 60ml syringe attached to a .2 micron, PVDF whatman filter...and if you've ever used these before, you know it can be a workout....BUT IT WASN'T!!!! It flowed through the Whatman like butter...well, like water....it was incredibly easy. It was a stark contrast to the Overly Thick original state of the Miglyol. And this was all the way back down to room Temp! I can't express how easy this stuff flowed. I've never experienced anything like it. I've cursed syringe filters, and sworn never to use them again, I've bruised the shit out of my hands, so this was a pleasant surprise.

Now, here's the really good part... Noticing how smooth the end product was, I decided to see if at all, and how easily I could draw the finished product from a vial into an 31G insulin syringe....it was as easy as HCG!! No joke. I feel like I've discovered miracle...but I also realize that due to it's "availability", and lack of documentation on it's use in the community, this might be the last Miglyol post you'll see for a while.
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I agree with you, and wrote an earlier response to PES filters, and why they should never be used. I work in the industry, and have a lot of experience with Laboratory filtration. However, there is a big difference between Fractionated Coconut Oil, and Coconut Oil (Which can't be used in brewing)

Pure MCT oil is also known as "Fractionated Coconut Oil". Which is very different from Coconut oil. While Coconut oil contains many MCTs, the amounts can very, at it also contains many other Triglycerides, thus the Coconut oil goes through a "Fractioning" process to leave only the Medium Chained Triglycerides. The overwhelming majority of all the Pure MCT oil that is for sale is produced from coconut oil.

If anyone is wondering, MCTs are caprylic (C(8)) and capric (C(10)) fatty acids. When you look at the viscosity of these MCTs, you'll get a typical viscosity measurement of around 30 Millipascal per Second ("Dynamic Viscosity" is how we measure viscosity for these types of compounds). 30 is pretty good, especially compared to a typical 40 -45 with Olive oil, (not to mention all the other undesirables in Olive oil :-) Miglyol 840 has a viscosity of 9-12 !!! That's insane.

Viscosity's changes depending on temp, I use room temp as a medium, because this will be what a lot of people will inject at (or slightly heated)....
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Straight from the company product info:

MIGLYOL® 840 is a propylene glycol diester of saturated plant fatty acids with chain lengths of C8 and C10. Therefore it has excellent emollient properties.
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MIGLYOL® 840 is very pure because of its carefully selected raw materials. As a result of tightly controlled manufacturing process, it contains very few microorganisms and is free of additives such as antioxidants, solvents and catalyst residues.
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MIGLYOL® 840 has the following advantages in comparison to natural oils:
High stability against oxidation
Liquid at 0 °C
Very good solubility characteristics
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Excellent spreadability on the skin and good skin absorption.
Does not inhibit skin-respiration.
Excellent penetration-promoting, emollient and skin-smoothing properties.
Very good solubility characteristics.
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Actually, I will become a supplier of this on the forum for sure if there is adequate support for it. You all have taught me a lot and I feel this would be a good way to help you all out as well -- helping you all reach a product that seems almost unattainable lol. Plus the price is very fair (if this were any other forum, I wouldn't offer the discount for larger volumes).

You pay close to this amount for GSO and CSO (depending where you get yours from). Also, since this is from the manufacturer, you obviously don't need to worry so much about contaminants and what not (though I ALWAYS suggest filtering any oil, whether you buy oils pre-filtered or not).

I really hope this helps some of you out. I can guarantee it will improve your homebrews.

Plus, since its going through me, you don't have to worry about the company having any of your required legal documentation -- which is a good thing if you're homebrewing lol.
 
I'm not brewing yet. My powder guy went dark. But before I even considered brewing I was researching myclycol
 
kfriesen said:
I'm not brewing yet. My powder guy went dark. But before I even considered brewing I was researching myclycol
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Alright well just let me know. If I still have some to sell at that time I'll let you know. PM'ing me is the best way to get my attention. But posts in this thread will be read when I come online.
 
Interesting Product, and there's so many Variant's (i.e. - Miglyol - 808/810/812/818/829/8108/8810).
As well as the 840 Version.
They all seem to be C-8/C-10 Esters.
These are All Listed as "Liquid Lipids" by this Company "Sasotechdata", who put out Marketing Brochures.
They list All of the above as "Neutral Carriers for Various Pharmaceutical Applications".
Also because of their "High Polarity", they have Superior Solvent Characteristics for Active Drugs (compared to Hydrocarbons)............... JP
 
jp4355 said:
Interesting Product, and there's so many Variant's (i.e. - Miglyol - 808/810/812/818/829/8108/8810).
As well as the 840 Version.
They all seem to be C-8/C-10 Esters.
These are All Listed as "Liquid Lipids" by this Company "Sasotechdata", who put out Marketing Brochures.
They list All of the above as "Neutral Carriers for Various Pharmaceutical Applications".
Also because of their "High Polarity", they have Superior Solvent Characteristics for Active Drugs (compared to Hydrocarbons)............... JP
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Yeah exactly. I get it right from the distributor though. I can get any of the variants, but from everything I've read, 840 is the best one. Some of the others are more for facial creams and what not, and don't seem to be effective for the same job.
 
hurricane said:
I know there are a bunch of guys brewing here. You should get some interest or feedback.
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Yeah I've received a good amount of PM's from interested people actually.

Also, if anyone is unsure but want so to give it a try, I'll be more than happy to do small sample sizes -- just enough to do a few tests with to see how you like it. All I ask in return, is that you be willing to write a review of what you think of it.
 
Exactly, some are much Better for Personal Care and Cosmetics.
Although the "Peter Cremer Company", a Manufacturer & Distributor, also sells the 840 for Cosmetics.
Touting it's Superiority to Natural Oils for Stability against Oxidation, staying Liquid at Zero Degree Celsius, very good Solubility Characteristics..... JP
P.S.
It does Certainly look like the Best of the Bunch for Brewing is the 840 Version.
I was Surprised at how much Technical Data was available.
 
jp4355 said:
Exactly, some are much Better for Personal Care and Cosmetics.
Although the "Peter Cremer Company", a Manufacturer & Distributor, also sells the 840 for Cosmetics.
Touting it's Superiority to Natural Oils for Stability against Oxidation, staying Liquid at Zero Degree Celsius, very good Solubility Characteristics..... JP
P.S.
It does Certainly look like the Best of the Bunch for Brewing is the 840 Version.
I was Surprised at how much Technical Data was available.
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Yeah exactly. Its pretty incredible. It costs more than most other oils, but I definitely think its worth it. I literally spent months trying to figure how to get my hands on it after I heard about it and started researching it. You seriously CAN'T ask for a better carrier oil -- period.
 
I've received a number of PM's from people concerning this. I have a deal for anyone that is well regarded in the community. If you want to give it a try, I will either do 1/2 liter @ cost, or 1/4 liter for FREE (just cover shipping) -- I have already PM'd some of you telling you about this. This is only being offered to people that are very well regarded in this community. All I ask in return is a thorough, well written, honest review.

I realize that this is an EXTREMELY rare thing. So very few people have ever heard of it, and even less know any details about it. So I think this will help get the word out and let you all know how it really is.

PM me we haven't already covered this via PM and you're interested.
 
I feel its worth mentioning that the price will be much lower if I start ordering larger quantities. I ordered the smallest amount possible because I wasn't sure how much interest there would be in it. I was originally seeking it out for personal use, but once I saw how large the orders had to be, I decided it would beneficial to the community. I obviously wasn't going to drop a shit ton of money into a massive quantity when I wasn't sure how people would feel about it.

But its worth noting, that when I start getting large orders, the price will drop by a good amount (rather than $70/liter, it will be around $50, maybe $45 -- LESS THAN GSO). But I just need to make sure there is adequate interest to justify such a large purchase. It will require a decent amount of buyers before that's possible though.

Also, I've had several people ask me if a special filter is required and if its harsh like EO or Guiaicol. The answer is NO, NOT AT ALL. It is actually the OPPOSITE. Some face care products use it as an ingredient. So its not harsh in the slightest. You don't need a special filter, and its not harsh at all. And its very thick, so it can hold a good concentration of gear -- while also having an incredible viscosity so its able to be shot through the tiniest of needles.

You will actually save money because you will no longer have to use EO to make a smoother injection. And depending on the concentrations you make, you may not need EO as a solvent anymore (obviously there is a limit though, and if you want to go beyond that you'll need EO). So this will guarantee an all around better end product, AND save you money.
 
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I've been doing research on Miglyol 840 and I came across a thread in another forum regarding a Canadian lab that was using it. Many positive comments but it seemed a very small percentage were having adverse reactions:

Anyone else having some sort of allergic reaction to their new oil? I'm on their Test E(XXX) and XXXX atm, 2 weeks out, after every single injection, a redness/swelling appears couple of inches below the injection site, then travels down and spreads. Covers a whole ass cheek, front upper leg or outside of upper arm(I.S. delts). Somewhat painful when flexed, warm to the touch and turns into a bruise after 5 days, goes away after a week. Definitely not an infection cause I know my stuff and Inno knows theirs. Any solutions? Really kills the workouts and night sleeps.
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The lab was said to switch to a 50/50 blend with sesame oil and now has decided to get rid of it entirely. That kind of reaction could be attributed to several variables and it seemed suspicious that they'd chose to discard a rather expensive (by quantity) carrier. I thought I'd bring it up just to see if anyone else has had a similar reaction before I try a batch myself.
 
KArcher said:
I've been doing research on Miglyol 840 and I came across a thread in another forum regarding a Canadian lab that was using it. Many positive comments but it seemed a very small percentage were having adverse reactions:



The lab was said to switch to a 50/50 blend with sesame oil and now has decided to get rid of it entirely. That kind of reaction could be attributed to several variables and it seemed suspicious that they'd chose to discard a rather expensive (by quantity) carrier. I thought I'd bring it up just to see if anyone else has had a similar reaction before I try a batch myself.
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I highly doubt they were actually using Miglyol -- as I've said, the paperwork, licensing, and permits it requires to get access was ridiculous. I HIGHLY doubt a lab would get such licenses and what not for that. They would be ridiculously stupid to get it directly from the manufacturer with all of their personal info on there like that.

Also, that reaction sounds like a lot of EO reactions I've seen. They probably used EO and some other oils and claimed it was Miglyol.
 
That was my assumption as well - possibly fake product they attempted to source cheaply from china.

I'm interested in buying a liter from you for my own experimentation. I'd PM you but I just signed up here after finding your thread.
 
KArcher said:
That was my assumption as well - possibly fake product they attempted to source cheaply from china.

I'm interested in buying a liter from you for my own experimentation. I'd PM you but I just signed up here after finding your thread.
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Yeah all good bro. I'll send you a PM. Even though you're under 50 posts, I can still PM you and you can PM me back. But I'm sure you've also seen these are great forums, so hopefully you'll stay around and be a part of the community.

I'm glad to see this thread has brought someone else to sign up here!
 
Thanks! There do seem to a lot more intellectuals here which I appreciate when it comes to homebrew. I got your PM but it's not allowing me to reply until my post count is 50 so I'll just ask my questions here if you don't mind and you can get back to me about the liter sample when it's available?

I wanted to confirm that you can use any filter. I'm currently using PVDF and wanted to be sure they'd be ok or if I'd need to switch. You also mentioned it was very thick but ran through the filter very easily. Was it still thick when you filtered it and just flowed easily or did it become more watery after dissolving powders in it?

Thanks!
 
KArcher said:
Thanks! There do seem to a lot more intellectuals here which I appreciate when it comes to homebrew. I got your PM but it's not allowing me to reply until my post count is 50 so I'll just ask my questions here if you don't mind and you can get back to me about the liter sample when it's available?

I wanted to confirm that you can use any filter. I'm currently using PVDF and wanted to be sure they'd be ok or if I'd need to switch. You also mentioned it was very thick but ran through the filter very easily. Was it still thick when you filtered it and just flowed easily or did it become more watery after dissolving powders in it?

Thanks!
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Absolutely, I will be notifying everyone the second I receive the Miglyol. Unfortunately its some weird freight company and not standard Fedex/UPS, so I haven't dealt with them before or know what to expect. But the company said I should be receiving it somewhere around the middle/end of this week. Again, as soon as I receive it I will let everyone know.

PVDF is perfectly fine, it is not a solvent like EO or anything of the sort. It won't eat the filters or anything of the sort -- it isn't harsh at all.

Yes, it is a thick carrier oil but has an incredible viscosity -- fairly close to that of water. The "higher" the viscosity something is, the more resistance it has to flow (like cold maple syrup). Due to the miglyol's low viscosity, it is has extremely little resistance, thus, is able to be filtered very quickly. These 2 features combined makes an incredible carrier oil. It definitely does not become watery after powders dissolve in it lol.
 
I'm interested in this as well as I'm starting to research home brewing especially tren as its getting more and more pricy everywhere else.
 
Blaster22 said:
I'm interested in this as well as I'm starting to research home brewing especially tren as its getting more and more pricy everywhere else.
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Ask any questions you have bro. And I keep my PM's pretty clean so I can always receive PM's.
 
genomex said:
Ask any questions you have bro. And I keep my PM's pretty clean so I can always receive PM's.
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I've done a lot of reading into this myself but gave up trying to find a source!

I'm too new to PM but if you could drop me one with some info I'd be happy to take some for my experiments :)
 
Brewster said:
I've done a lot of reading into this myself but gave up trying to find a source!

I'm too new to PM but if you could drop me one with some info I'd be happy to take some for my experiments :)
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Alright bro I'm sending you a PM now.
 
Hey everyone just a quick update! I am getting the bottles in tomorrow luckily. So its all pretty ready to send out as soon as they get in.

Furthermore, I did a small test just a bit ago with the Miglyol. IT WAS INCREDIBLE! To give you an idea, when I shoot my Test C that I'm prescribed through the 25g needle, it usually takes a little bit of pressure to inject it right? Those of you that are prescribed it know what I'm talking about -- you can inject it fairly quick but it takes some pushing pressure. Its generally easier than UGL's, but still, it takes a little bit of pressure. But the Miglyol... I seriously had to REALLY CONTROL the pressure from myself... I literally had to limit the pressure I applied because it was SO EASY TO INJECT. I've never had something so easy to inject before. Its even better than I remember from my interactions before.

Now here's the interesting part about it. Its like water when you look at it and everything. Its just incredible. But then when it was in the syringe and I shook it and there were some air bubbles, I could tell how well the Miglyol will hold whatever hormones are put in it. This is seriously just flat out amazing. I need to order some powder to really do some more testing (which I will do soon), but I'm very very very excited about doing all of my future brewing with it. I may have to hoard it to myself hahaha.

I'm actually going to keep this limited for now. Just work with those that are approved currently. Keep it more small scale and manageable since this is just me doing it. If I've already offered it to you, then you're already "approved". But anyone else in the future, I think I may go through a bit of an "approval" process. Later I will be able to expand it depending on some factors.
 
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Thanks for the update! I'm really excited to try it out, particularly to see how high of a concentration it could reliably hold.
 
New to the forum and I need 50 posts to PM. Interested in working out a deal on this genomex, please get a hold of me if you can.
 
dude such a trip Geno, i was replying to your posts in the homebrew thread and in another window saw this thread hhaha this is what i was saying to you

"just always used PTFE anyhow ill def. shoot the shit with you my man theres a few topics you scratched at the surface of a little while back, but first and foremost! you grabbing some Miglyol 840 there hahah how much of that did you have to buy and what'd it run you bro? did you have the option of 812?? let me know on that if your interested in maybe making some of your money back if youd like to get rid of some, if of course you have any to spare... but awesome man, just reading all your posts I am not one bit surprised that you were the one to grab some of that bro hahaha..."

Hell yea I def. will take you up on the offer brother, how are you bottling it up? glass?
 
Ive actually done a lot of research on this stuff for some time now and have spoken to some vets in regards to purchasing some but god dam the minimum order was something like a 50gal drum or something man, but this stuff I can promise will be a one hit wonder lol although I feel the transition will be slow because people will want to stick to conventional oils still... but ive been wanting to get my hands on some for a long time man.... I found a chemist actually that supplies it along with 812 but heres a company that has a list of them all take a look.
http://www.warnergraham.com.php5-25...ploads/2012/04/Cremer-Excipients-Brochure.pdf

"Liquid lipids are fatty acid esters. They are neutral carriers for various pharmaceutical applications. Because of their
high polarity, they have superior solvent characteristics for active drugs (compared to hydrocarbons)."
 
KArcher said:
I've been doing research on Miglyol 840 and I came across a thread in another forum regarding a Canadian lab that was using it. Many positive comments but it seemed a very small percentage were having adverse reactions:



The lab was said to switch to a 50/50 blend with sesame oil and now has decided to get rid of it entirely. That kind of reaction could be attributed to several variables and it seemed suspicious that they'd chose to discard a rather expensive (by quantity) carrier. I thought I'd bring it up just to see if anyone else has had a similar reaction before I try a batch myself.
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I wouldnt doubt it man if it was some lab that tried to make it based on the ingredients and called it the same, ive got the exact ingredients to it as well but would never try scrapping it together and calling it the same you know.... like you guys mentioned, which is something I wanted to do with it, possibly mix it 50/50 with carrier of choice, but i bet they added EO to it for sure trying to make it even "better" anyhow id still be more then down to experiment with it as I know a few others that would like to as well. let me know...
 
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dude such a trip Geno, i was replying to your posts in the homebrew thread and in another window saw this thread hhaha this is what i was saying to you

"just always used PTFE anyhow ill def. shoot the shit with you my man theres a few topics you scratched at the surface of a little while back, but first and foremost! you grabbing some Miglyol 840 there hahah how much of that did you have to buy and what'd it run you bro? did you have the option of 812?? let me know on that if your interested in maybe making some of your money back if youd like to get rid of some, if of course you have any to spare... but awesome man, just reading all your posts I am not one bit surprised that you were the one to grab some of that bro hahaha..."

Hell yea I def. will take you up on the offer brother, how are you bottling it up? glass?
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I get it straight from the manufacturer, and the minimum order is extremely high. I spent several months looking for a connection, and a lot of resellers would quote me at $100-300 per liter (I had several quote around $500). They are very large containers, but I decided to drop the money and take a chance. I ended up having to use some permits and my business licenses to secure the ability to order any.

I've decided to use MoneyGram for now, because most of the people coming to ask for it wanted very large orders (many many gallons), so MG made sense. My main issue has been small orders (samples, etc), as most people don't want to fuck with MG for less than several $100. I've been thinking of different ways of handling money exchanges. Its not illegal at all, so its not a huge deal. But when I was filling out the paperwork they had me say that I wouldn't re-sell it out of the country unprocessed. I just re-read over it (I thought they said I couldn't sell it at all unprocessed). But since it says out of the country, I should be fine. I just don't want to lose the connection, because there is zero chance of me ever going back to anything else. So after Thanksgiving I'm going to verify that and if its all good, I'll be a lot more open and free about it. I'd rather hoard it for myself and take the financial hit for my own production, than make some money and lose the connection (I'm not even making that much money, I'm doing this more to help the community).

I have access to all of those products. But from my reading the 840 definitely sounded like the very best. And ever since I bought it I haven't stopped using it -- and I definitely won't. There's zero chance the 812 is better lol. Why do you feel the 812 is better?

If you really want to try the 812, find some people that are willing to throw in. Its not cheap. Honestly I recommend just sticking with the 840 though. I'll throw in a few $100 if you're serious. But I have a feeling it'll be more or less just a waste of money when I already have the 840 verified and ready to go.

And yes, I'll be more than happy to sell to you. But you'll have to deal with MoneyGram until I sort out another method. I want there to be some transparency between the individual buying and myself. We all know what its for, so I want everyone to be able to stay out of trouble and not have money trails. I'm about to place another order, as I just had someone else come in and just flat out said they'd buy everything I had left.

Concerning the bottles, I'm just using plastic bottles from a shipping company (used to ship liquids). They are perfect for the job.

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Ive actually done a lot of research on this stuff for some time now and have spoken to some vets in regards to purchasing some but god dam the minimum order was something like a 50gal drum or something man, but this stuff I can promise will be a one hit wonder lol although I feel the transition will be slow because people will want to stick to conventional oils still... but ive been wanting to get my hands on some for a long time man.... I found a chemist actually that supplies it along with 812 but heres a company that has a list of them all take a look.
http://www.warnergraham.com.php5-25...ploads/2012/04/Cremer-Excipients-Brochure.pdf

"Liquid lipids are fatty acid esters. They are neutral carriers for various pharmaceutical applications. Because of their
high polarity, they have superior solvent characteristics for active drugs (compared to hydrocarbons)."
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Honestly bro its a premium oil. Its not like others where you can just easily buy it. And since a pharmaceutical company OWNS it (I believe that's the proper term for the company), they have a lot of control over it. Its not like natural oils like Grapseseed, Safflower, that's natural and you can get from many different places, etc. So its extremely hard to get a hold of.

And yes, that's no joke. The minimum order is massive. I'm hoping the popularity will continue, because then I will be able to order much larger quantities and drop the price to closer to $40/L. But those orders are very high are close to $10,000. So I've been considering opening a company that is literally dedicated to just reselling Miglyol lol. Though if I did that, I'd need to pull a higher profit to justify it -- it wouldn't only be for helping the community at that point.

I'll PM you my email and get you situated.

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I wouldnt doubt it man if it was some lab that tried to make it based on the ingredients and called it the same, ive got the exact ingredients to it as well but would never try scrapping it together and calling it the same you know.... like you guys mentioned, which is something I wanted to do with it, possibly mix it 50/50 with carrier of choice, but i bet they added EO to it for sure trying to make it even "better" anyhow id still be more then down to experiment with it as I know a few others that would like to as well. let me know...
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Miglyol doesn't need to be mixed with anything else unless you're trying to reach very high concentrations. A lot of people decide to use EO to have the ability to shoot their gear through smaller needles. That's not an issue AT ALL with the Miglyol. The only reason a lab would be mixing it with another would be to save money -- and honestly that would only ruin the incredible quality of what they had, which then makes it pretty much pointless to use. So I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone intelligent would do that. The more I think about it, the more ludicrous I think it is. I've been using it with some of my Test E for a bit, and its just been incredible. I have a very strong feeling those people were just lying and trying to get a name for themselves or something.

I will say this though, a few certain people have been contacting me to get a premium line going. And I'm VERY much looking forward to seeing how their products turn out.

I haven't ordered more powder, and I only had a little bit of Test E left, so I haven't been able to really run the experiments that I've been wanting to yet. So they're just standard Test E injections (250mg/ml) I use for my TRT (to hoard my pharma Test C hahaha). I seriously prefer it over my pharma Test C.
 
I'd like to try harder to hold powders test e/c will hold extremely easily in any oil you throw at them I am curious as to how this will hold higher concentrations of tne and trne


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No no I never said 812 was better, it was just of my interest when I was in the market looking for some that I could purchase without having to get the same permits as you mentioned, and buying like a god dam 50 gallon drum worth haha no bull shit either..but that link that I posted has a table of "Properties and applications" and if you reckon the differences from one another, 840 and 812 both seemed like amazing products, but with 812 viscosity being ~28 compared to 840 being at ~10, 812 being thicker in nature and this is at 20 degrees Celsius, well compared to the commonly used Cotton seed oil, having a viscosity at ~76, and that as well, being at 20 degrees Celsius, but for those who are interested if compared for simplicity



Carrier ------------ Temp. Deg. C -------------- Viscosity

Miglyol 840 ---------------- 20* ----------------- ~10


Miglyol 812 -------------- 20* ---------------- ~28


Grape seed --------------- 20* ---------------- ~54


Sesame seed -------------- 20* ------------------ ~65


cottonseed ---------------- 20* --------------- ~76


Castor oil --------------- 20* --------------- ~1000
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Well now if you compare those, with the commonly used, youll see how thin 840 and 812 actually are, but 812 being slightly thicker, is just all that caught my attention which may be a tad more desired by those who wish to yield the higher dosed compounds, which like you mentioned is why people use EO obvioiusly to reach those concentrations. Now say for instance a lab obtained some 840, which in fact keeping it as basic as it can get- does already contain EO, how much exactly I could not tell you, but, based on past success and ones instinct, they now try to make it even thinner (or think they're going to)with the ability to achieve- even higher! concentrations, or so they think, is where things like you guys mentioned could go wrong, people complaining about adverse reactions. But furthermore, one should also be acquainted with what such products are made up of, for one thing ill tell you, it is made up of a shit ton of different substances, adjuvants, and formulations it will blow your mind, many of which i've never even heard of majoring in Biology, but im not suprised.. But I dont even want to get into that for there is way to much to be taught and I, by all means lol, am in no position to do so . But ill tell you this, this stuff was created by a group of chemists with the goal of making the superior carrier, more or less to aid in immunostimulation of medications; one of which is chemotherapy, medications of that nature, with the certain adjuvants that actually trigger the bodies immune response for higher transmission/absorption/utilization of medications making them far more effective then the "traditional" methods of transmission of certain drugs or compounds. One must truly do there own reading for there is SO much info that honestly, if is going to be used responsibly, should probably be known...
Anyhow, now lets put this stuff to the real test haha, TRT and what concentration levels were going to be able achieve... I think if this shit is experimented with enough, which I personally would still like to try mixing with a traditional oil, could possibly yield significant differences in blood's, using the same mg/ml different carrier is all. Only thing with mixing with oil is, well... whats to much BA and BB... does any even need to be added if diluted say even 1/3 with oil of choice, which is where that UGL mentioned above, could have ultimately fucked up... only way to tell would be to take samples and incubate them.. anyhow heres another short description given by a lab of 812 and 840: cheers brotha.

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I'll check out the Mig 812 a bit more. Maybe see about doing some tests if I get some when I order some more ingredients later. However, I don't think there will be that much of a difference. Grapeseed oil has a viscosity of 54 as you have posted (I've seen some to be more around 60-65), but has a density of ~0.910 from what I have read. Then safflower oil has a viscosity of ~78 with a density of ~0.921. There's not that much of a difference with the density. Plus it needs to be remember that different sources of each oil will vary quite a bit on the viscosity, density, etc. There seems to be quite a wide range of how it could come out from what I have been reading. If you look on the first page, you will see that the Mig 840 has pretty much the same density (0.91 – 0.93) as the Safflower oil, while having a far lower viscosity.

One of the main reasons I searched out the Mig 840 is because I had talked to some individuals that have used it and they swore up and down they could hold incredibly high concentrations for it. Plus as I have said, its amazing concerning how easily it can be shot through tiny needles. It truly is the best carrier I've ever used. Due to it being created in a pharmacy, I have to think it will be quite different in it concentration capabilities from other oils like GSO, CSO, etc. I don't think the 812 will be much of an improvement, but I might as well see about doing some testing with it later and possibly stocking it. Either way, the 812 will be better than GSO and what not. I'll call today and see what the price is of the 812.

Let me also be clear that I leave my gear at the common concentrations (100mg/ml Tren A, 250mg/ml Test E, 200mg/ml Test C, etc). So I don't care so much about the oil's capacity for holding high concentrations. However, I will find out since I know so many other people are interested in it. I'll just need to order in some more ingredients soon.

And while I haven't done the testing of concentrations, I can say the difference between injecting the Test that I had left with the Mig 840 and the carrier oils in the past is like night and day. It never really hurt before, but its just... Far less if that makes any sense. It just seems to work an incredible amount better. It shoots better, it doesn't feel like the previous injection afterwards, etc etc. Like I've said, there's no way I'm going back to normal oils. But I will check out the 812 a bit more.

Note: I will be shipping the MSDS with the Mig, unless specifically asked not to.
 
Note, in my previous post in the first paragraph where I said
There's not that much of a difference with the density
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I was talking about the Mig 840 and Safflower from what I have read.
 
BuryMeBig said:
Hey geno you never replied to my email bud whats up?
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PM me your email. I've responded to every email I've received. I don't see an email that would possibly be yours. I'm literally looking over the list right now and it shows everything except 3 of my latest emails have been replied to... And they're people I've talked with and know aren't your emails. :confused:.

PM me your email and I'll send you an email that you can reply to.
 
I need a few liters of this miglyol 840. tried to PM you but have to have 50 post. I don't have time for that. I'm well known of. Go check me out or Email me at @safe-mail.net (I Have mucho sources)
 
Hey Bro. Never got a payment request at my paypal. Still interested. Actually in a larger quanity now please contact me when possible.
 
genomex said:
PM me your email. I've responded to every email I've received. I don't see an email that would possibly be yours. I'm literally looking over the list right now and it shows everything except 3 of my latest emails have been replied to... And they're people I've talked with and know aren't your emails. :confused:.

PM me your email and I'll send you an email that you can reply to.
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Ya I never heard back about the MCT either

KL
 
If anyone knows where to buy it from a supplier. Pm a link to me. If the price is right I will get it. Break it down in smaller quantities, and resell it.
 
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