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DCB82

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I am about 7 weeks into my second blast. My normal TRT dose is Test Cyp 200mg/week split into two doses(M&F). My first blast was Test E at 500mg/week split into two doses. Bloodwork all was normal with that for 16 weeks with no AI. My estrogen, prolactin, and PSA were all within normal ranges.
The current cycle is Sustanon 350, dosing three times per week for a total of 700mg per week. Initially coach had me taking Arimidex at 0.5mg on Mondays and Fridays for a total of 1mg each week. I started feeling really bad about two to three weeks into this with flu like symptoms, lethargy, chills, etc…. I was fairly certain it was crashed E2, so I cut the dose back to 0.25mg on Monday and Fridays.
Had bloods ran and Estrogen was <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35.

I have since cut the dose of Arimidex back to 0.25 per week for the last week and a half. Feeling better so I think Estrogen is coming back up. I’m just not sure what, if any Arimidex I need to run now. Especially since I was able to run 500mg test last blast with zero sides.

My current stats are 6’3” and 220lbs at 12% body fat per dexa scan.
Diet is around 3500 calories per day and workout is 2on/1off split and currently doing push,pull,arm, leg and doing one super heavy set per excercise. Have about 5 excercise per body part.

I will attach current pics, and see if you guys think I have any gyno or if everything looks good. I do occasionally have some tingling in my pecs from time to time but no puffy or itchy nipples.
Thanks!
 

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I am about 7 weeks into my second blast. My normal TRT dose is Test Cyp 200mg/week split into two doses(M&F). My first blast was Test E at 500mg/week split into two doses. Bloodwork all was normal with that for 16 weeks with no AI. My estrogen, prolactin, and PSA were all within normal ranges.
The current cycle is Sustanon 350, dosing three times per week for a total of 700mg per week. Initially coach had me taking Arimidex at 0.5mg on Mondays and Fridays for a total of 1mg each week. I started feeling really bad about two to three weeks into this with flu like symptoms, lethargy, chills, etc…. I was fairly certain it was crashed E2, so I cut the dose back to 0.25mg on Monday and Fridays.
Had bloods ran and Estrogen was <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35.

I have since cut the dose of Arimidex back to 0.25 per week for the last week and a half. Feeling better so I think Estrogen is coming back up. I’m just not sure what, if any Arimidex I need to run now. Especially since I was able to run 500mg test last blast with zero sides.

My current stats are 6’3” and 220lbs at 12% body fat per dexa scan.
Diet is around 3500 calories per day and workout is 2on/1off split and currently doing push,pull,arm, leg and doing one super heavy set per excercise. Have about 5 excercise per body part.

I will attach current pics, and see if you guys think I have any gyno or if everything looks good. I do occasionally have some tingling in my pecs from time to time but no puffy or itchy nipples.
Thanks!
@DCB82 I gave a short answer here on some thoughts:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...and-recently-low-estrogen.102112/post-1647513

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I am about 7 weeks into my second blast. My normal TRT dose is Test Cyp 200mg/week split into two doses(M&F). My first blast was Test E at 500mg/week split into two doses. Bloodwork all was normal with that for 16 weeks with no AI. My estrogen, prolactin, and PSA were all within normal ranges.
The current cycle is Sustanon 350, dosing three times per week for a total of 700mg per week. Initially coach had me taking Arimidex at 0.5mg on Mondays and Fridays for a total of 1mg each week. I started feeling really bad about two to three weeks into this with flu like symptoms, lethargy, chills, etc…. I was fairly certain it was crashed E2, so I cut the dose back to 0.25mg on Monday and Fridays.
Had bloods ran and Estrogen was <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35.

I have since cut the dose of Arimidex back to 0.25 per week for the last week and a half. Feeling better so I think Estrogen is coming back up. I’m just not sure what, if any Arimidex I need to run now. Especially since I was able to run 500mg test last blast with zero sides.

My current stats are 6’3” and 220lbs at 12% body fat per dexa scan.
Diet is around 3500 calories per day and workout is 2on/1off split and currently doing push,pull,arm, leg and doing one super heavy set per excercise. Have about 5 excercise per body part.

I will attach current pics, and see if you guys think I have any gyno or if everything looks good. I do occasionally have some tingling in my pecs from time to time but no puffy or itchy nipples.
Thanks!
You look great, welcome to EVO family:)

You have tamoxifen on hand?
 
you definitely need to get a log going
you don't want to be left hanging and relying on a person giving you bad advice
 
adex is a fine option
but aromasin is a superior AI
and letro is one you should have on hand
 
your pictures don't look like you have issues with gynecomastia
but that can change that's why a log is crucial
 
there is no requirement to use testosterone if you're estrogen prone
why don't you avoid it and use some of the DHT compounds
 
Thanks guys! I guess I am prone to being paranoid. I dropped the AI entirely as of 4 days ago since my estrogen is showing crashed according to my bloodwork. I am planning to lower the sustanon to 500-525mg per week. I will dose it 0.5ml three times per week per recommendation here. That would put me at 525mg total each week.
Was thinking no AI on that dose for now, since I last ran 500mg/wk with no sides and no high estrogen or prolactin from bloodwork back in January, when I was finishing that blast.
 
That’s the only compound I am using. Just thinking I need to lower the dose.
@DCB82 sustanon is good around 500mgs/week split dose
Thanks guys! I guess I am prone to being paranoid. I dropped the AI entirely as of 4 days ago since my estrogen is showing crashed according to my bloodwork. I am planning to lower the sustanon to 500-525mg per week. I will dose it 0.5ml three times per week per recommendation here. That would put me at 525mg total each week.
Was thinking no AI on that dose for now, since I last ran 500mg/wk with no sides and no high estrogen or prolactin from bloodwork back in January, when I was finishing that blast.
You're not the only one thats prone to being paranoid :D we all have that feeling with cycles.
With crashed E2 cutting Ai is the best course either way.
I would go with 500mgs sustanon /week without Ai for now
but you should add primobolan light dose around week 3 in, can you do that?

also how is the training today? whats the plan?
 
Today I pinned 0.5ml and will not take the AI until I get bloods redone in about 2-3 weeks.
Today’s strength was in the gutter big time. Prob due in part to not resting well last night and going to gym early in morning vs after lunch as usually do.
Also could be the estrogen is still low. I remember last blast I felt like Superman and this blast just hasn’t had near the feeling like that. Probably due to me crashing e2 right off the bat?
How long does that normally take to come back up?
 
I am about 7 weeks into my second blast. My normal TRT dose is Test Cyp 200mg/week split into two doses(M&F). My first blast was Test E at 500mg/week split into two doses. Bloodwork all was normal with that for 16 weeks with no AI. My estrogen, prolactin, and PSA were all within normal ranges.
The current cycle is Sustanon 350, dosing three times per week for a total of 700mg per week. Initially coach had me taking Arimidex at 0.5mg on Mondays and Fridays for a total of 1mg each week. I started feeling really bad about two to three weeks into this with flu like symptoms, lethargy, chills, etc…. I was fairly certain it was crashed E2, so I cut the dose back to 0.25mg on Monday and Fridays.
Had bloods ran and Estrogen was <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35.

I have since cut the dose of Arimidex back to 0.25 per week for the last week and a half. Feeling better so I think Estrogen is coming back up. I’m just not sure what, if any Arimidex I need to run now. Especially since I was able to run 500mg test last blast with zero sides.

My current stats are 6’3” and 220lbs at 12% body fat per dexa scan.
Diet is around 3500 calories per day and workout is 2on/1off split and currently doing push,pull,arm, leg and doing one super heavy set per excercise. Have about 5 excercise per body part.

I will attach current pics, and see if you guys think I have any gyno or if everything looks good. I do occasionally have some tingling in my pecs from time to time but no puffy or itchy nipples.
Thanks!
Solid Bru
 
Today I pinned 0.5ml and will not take the AI until I get bloods redone in about 2-3 weeks.
Today’s strength was in the gutter big time. Prob due in part to not resting well last night and going to gym early in morning vs after lunch as usually do.
Also could be the estrogen is still low. I remember last blast I felt like Superman and this blast just hasn’t had near the feeling like that. Probably due to me crashing e2 right off the bat?
How long does that normally take to come back up?
e2 crashing can have an effect and it will go back up about week 2 so around 14 days.

But your food is a real issue remember, if your dietary intake it not good it will affect energy levels.
what did you eat the whole day? @DCB82
 
e2 crashing can have an effect and it will go back up about week 2 so around 14 days.

But your food is a real issue remember, if your dietary intake it not good it will affect energy levels.
what did you eat the whole day? @DCB82
I work on the road so not easy to prep.
Today for example
Breakfast: 3 egg omelette with potatos and a protein shake
Lunch: double steak bowl from chipotle just rice and meat.
After workout was 80g protein shake and 5 rice cakes
Dinner was another double steak from chipotle same as lunch.
Prob have another 30g shake before bed.
 
I work on the road so not easy to prep.
Today for example
Breakfast: 3 egg omelette with potatos and a protein shake
Lunch: double steak bowl from chipotle just rice and meat.
After workout was 80g protein shake and 5 rice cakes
Dinner was another double steak from chipotle same as lunch.
Prob have another 30g shake before bed.
your food is still clean bro @DCB82
you can add protein bars, you have them?
 
your food is still clean bro @DCB82
you can add protein bars, you have them?
Yep occasionally throw those in. At home the diet isn’t much different except I will eat lean ground beef or sirloins and sweet potato. I’m not a chicken or fish fan, and seafood is too expensive haha.
 
Yep occasionally throw those in. At home the diet isn’t much different except I will eat lean ground beef or sirloins and sweet potato. I’m not a chicken or fish fan, and seafood is too expensive haha.
if you're at home, can you meal prep? that would make things easier bro ;) @DCB82
 
I am about 7 weeks into my second blast. My normal TRT dose is Test Cyp 200mg/week split into two doses(M&F). My first blast was Test E at 500mg/week split into two doses. Bloodwork all was normal with that for 16 weeks with no AI. My estrogen, prolactin, and PSA were all within normal ranges.
The current cycle is Sustanon 350, dosing three times per week for a total of 700mg per week. Initially coach had me taking Arimidex at 0.5mg on Mondays and Fridays for a total of 1mg each week. I started feeling really bad about two to three weeks into this with flu like symptoms, lethargy, chills, etc…. I was fairly certain it was crashed E2, so I cut the dose back to 0.25mg on Monday and Fridays.
Had bloods ran and Estrogen was <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35.

I have since cut the dose of Arimidex back to 0.25 per week for the last week and a half. Feeling better so I think Estrogen is coming back up. I’m just not sure what, if any Arimidex I need to run now. Especially since I was able to run 500mg test last blast with zero sides.

My current stats are 6’3” and 220lbs at 12% body fat per dexa scan.
Diet is around 3500 calories per day and workout is 2on/1off split and currently doing push,pull,arm, leg and doing one super heavy set per excercise. Have about 5 excercise per body part.

I will attach current pics, and see if you guys think I have any gyno or if everything looks good. I do occasionally have some tingling in my pecs from time to time but no puffy or itchy nipples.
Thanks!
@DCB82 looking solid bro!
 
any updates man? :)
Not really. Just lowered the dose to 500mg/week split to M,W,F’s. Not currently using the AI.
Having some tenderness in the upper pec/side pec area and some minor tingling in nips…the nips could very well be from me messing with them constantly idk. Kinda wanting to start back the AI at maybe 0.25mg per week, but after crashing E2 I don’t know??
 
Not really. Just lowered the dose to 500mg/week split to M,W,F’s. Not currently using the AI.
Having some tenderness in the upper pec/side pec area and some minor tingling in nips…the nips could very well be from me messing with them constantly idk. Kinda wanting to start back the AI at maybe 0.25mg per week, but after crashing E2 I don’t know??
how is your training diet going? update the training cardio please for our EVO family man :) @DCB82

but 500mgs testosterone you do need an Ai imo
you should start at least on week 2
and tenderness , you have tamoxifen?
 
how is your training diet going? update the training cardio please for our EVO family man :) @DCB82

but 500mgs testosterone you do need an Ai imo
you should start at least on week 2
and tenderness , you have tamoxifen?
Diet is same as I posted couple days ago, it doesn’t really change day to day.
Cardio is 20mins 3-5 days a week. Usually 3.5mph on incline treadmill.
No tamoxifen. All I have is a-dex.

I may start 0.25mg once per week and see how that works. I was taking 0.5mg twice per week and completely crashed E2 according to bloodwork, so you can understand my reluctance to take the AI
 
Diet is same as I posted couple days ago, it doesn’t really change day to day.
Cardio is 20mins 3-5 days a week. Usually 3.5mph on incline treadmill.
No tamoxifen. All I have is a-dex.

I may start 0.25mg once per week and see how that works. I was taking 0.5mg twice per week and completely crashed E2 according to bloodwork, so you can understand my reluctance to take the AI
I would rather have you use nolva if your e2 was crashed
We can let your aromatase rest but control the estrogen sides
@AE1079 please comment
 
I would rather have you use nolva if your e2 was crashed
We can let your aromatase rest but control the estrogen sides
@AE1079 please comment
I’m honestly not even sure I’m having estrogen sides. I can’t tell if I’m actually having sides or just imagining them because I’m aware they could potentially happen haha.
 
I’m honestly not even sure I’m having estrogen sides. I can’t tell if I’m actually having sides or just imagining them because I’m aware they could potentially happen haha.
Yes it’s the mythical gyno symptoms we all had those 😂
Let’s wait, up your training game and we come back to it
Let’s boost volume a bit if you can @DCB82 and update the EVO family more
 
I would rather have you use nolva if your e2 was crashed
We can let your aromatase rest but control the estrogen sides
@AE1079 please comment
I have got some pretty gnarly experiences with clients with high E2 and crashing E2 and how to modulate it. Read carefully 😂

Nolvadex and its E2 symptom management works as that’s its design. Not ridding of E2, but stopping it agonising the EBeta Receptor and EAlpha Receptor. Aromatisation still occurs here, but doesn’t allow the E2 to go where it fits essentially. It’s like having a USB and the port. Essentiallly the USB has the E2 on it and port is the receptor. There will be no interaction between these two when taking Nolvadex
E1 (Estrone) will continue to cycle through its metabolism of converting into E2 - while E2 will metabolised by the body. So we have a constant run of E2 in the body circulating. Just not attaching to the above receptors which are responsible for mammary gland growth and excess mineral retention ect. It is essentially designed for women with breast cancer to maintain hormonal homeostasis and blocking receptor from being agonised.

Arimidex is a AI. So it will stop the CYP19A enzyme from converting excess androgens into E2 period. So it essentially skips the entire process above and just stops aromatisation at the source. Therefore less E2 circulation lowering blood serum. The problem with this is, that some people are extremely sensitive to these drugs and crash E2 very quickly causing an unwanted bias of side effects.

This is just a top line description.

We want to keep E2 within range in males. We can do this through AI or SERM integration. DHT Derivatives that present SERM and AI qualities through its metabolism can be used (Masteron Primo and even EQ) - this is drug intervention.

You can also jab your gear ED-EOD to lower E2 response to larger bolus of androgens to halt peaks and trophs which creates the issue more so then anything I find.

You can also clean up the diet and lose body fat and reduce total Enzyme levels through reduction of body fat.

You can keep the liver in check to help the metabolism of E2 as well.

You have options.
 
Not really. Just lowered the dose to 500mg/week split to M,W,F’s. Not currently using the AI.
Having some tenderness in the upper pec/side pec area and some minor tingling in nips…the nips could very well be from me messing with them constantly idk. Kinda wanting to start back the AI at maybe 0.25mg per week, but after crashing E2 I don’t know??
Can guarantee if you start dosing ED injections you will find more stable blood serum and less peak E2. You could even lower your dose to 400 and do ED Injecting and can guarantee the same gains with less E2 activity with the use of anything I mentioned.
 
Can guarantee if you start dosing ED injections you will find more stable blood serum and less peak E2. You could even lower your dose to 400 and do ED Injecting and can guarantee the same gains with less E2 activity with the use of anything I mentioned.
I may try that. I just lowered the dose Monday, and am doing Monday, Wednesday, Friday injections.
When I first began, I was doing Monday and Friday at 700mg/wk total. Down to 525mg/wk now to make the math easy. My vial is dosed at 350mg/mL
 
Can guarantee if you start dosing ED injections you will find more stable blood serum and less peak E2. You could even lower your dose to 400 and do ED Injecting and can guarantee the same gains with less E2 activity with the use of anything I mentioned.
To guys who like injections, I agree with you.
Yes but the ED injections are high pip and painful. Very few guys do ED injections, and I don't recommend it to most users.
ED = every day for newer guys, just imagine injecting daily, super pip @AE1079
 
I may try that. I just lowered the dose Monday, and am doing Monday, Wednesday, Friday injections.
When I first began, I was doing Monday and Friday at 700mg/wk total. Down to 525mg/wk now to make the math easy. My vial is dosed at 350mg/mL
Give it a go man
Less volume of injections
Yes you have to prick yourself more often but I think the benefits out that outweighs fewer injections during the week for sure
 
I may try that. I just lowered the dose Monday, and am doing Monday, Wednesday, Friday injections.
When I first began, I was doing Monday and Friday at 700mg/wk total. Down to 525mg/wk now to make the math easy. My vial is dosed at 350mg/mL
3 pins/week is fine man :) ED pins will be real high pain @DCB82
 
Today was arm day. Here is my weekly arm routine.
Dumbell Hammer Curl
Get WARM 2-3 sets
1 feel set for 6
1 set ALL OUT


Rope Push Down
2 build up sets 15
1 feel set 8
1 set (15 goal) ALL OUT
(15 reps)

Curl Machine (1 arm at a time)
1 build up set of 10 (increase weight each set)
1 HEAVY ALL OUT set


Hammer Strength Push Down
1 build up set of 10 (increase weight each set)
1 HEAVY ALL OUT set

1 Arm Dumbell Curl
1 HEAVY ALL OUT set


Dumbell Behind the Head Extension
1 ALL OUT set HEAVY (GOAL 20)
 
To guys who like injections, I agree with you.
Yes but the ED injections are high pip and painful. Very few guys do ED injections, and I don't recommend it to most users.
ED = every day for newer guys, just imagine injecting daily, super pip @AE1079
Bro I hate injections personally
But i do 4-5 a day between gear gh and Carnitine
That’s what is needed to be done to achieve what i want to achieve. Mindset is everything.
People who don’t like injecting then won’t reap the maximum benefits of what they are doing. That’s their choice I guess. But if they want more out of what they are doing, the need to put the work in, in the case, it’s the needle 😂
 
Bro I hate injections personally
But i do 4-5 a day between gear gh and Carnitine
That’s what is needed to be done to achieve what i want to achieve. Mindset is everything.
People who don’t like injecting then won’t reap the maximum benefits of what they are doing. That’s their choice I guess. But if they want more out of what they are doing, the need to put the work in, in the case, it’s the needle 😂
@AE1079 to be honest man :) I'm not fully convinced of the ED shots vs E2 spikes theory, I've seen bloods to contradict it
it should help but my view its not worth all the daily shots, but depends on the guy too right
you have a strong mentality and your goals are up top, but I would only recommend ED shots to guys planning to step on stage
 
Today was arm day. Here is my weekly arm routine.
Dumbell Hammer Curl
Get WARM 2-3 sets
1 feel set for 6
1 set ALL OUT


Rope Push Down
2 build up sets 15
1 feel set 8
1 set (15 goal) ALL OUT
(15 reps)

Curl Machine (1 arm at a time)
1 build up set of 10 (increase weight each set)
1 HEAVY ALL OUT set


Hammer Strength Push Down
1 build up set of 10 (increase weight each set)
1 HEAVY ALL OUT set

1 Arm Dumbell Curl
1 HEAVY ALL OUT set


Dumbell Behind the Head Extension
1 ALL OUT set HEAVY (GOAL 20)
@DCB82 this is a good arm day but how much actual weight you doing man? :)
 
@AE1079 to be honest man :) I'm not fully convinced of the ED shots vs E2 spikes theory, I've seen bloods to contradict it
it should help but my view its not worth all the daily shots, but depends on the guy too right
you have a strong mentality and your goals are up top, but I would only recommend ED shots to guys planning to step on stage
That’s fine, you don’t need to believe it bro. What your suggest is what you believe in. I just think it’s the most optimal way to approach things. Sure you can do EOD too. But like you said it’s where the mentality is at.

You don’t want peaks and trophs though right? Remember what we have been told is due to compliance and based on the average compliance rate of humans, based on ordinary humans. Like I said before, my approach is optimisation, and I can tell you that the body prefers homeostasis, when we create this and manipulate it to suit our goals, we can maintain it. You can imagine though when androgens spike, E2 follows. So depending on the individual, if you have strong aromatisation occurring, you would want to stabilise this. ED injections provide a stable environment of hormone homeostasis. It’s a better way to manage side effects with a flat line then up and downs titrating up.

We see in the forums here, “I have E2 problems and only use 1-2ML test a week”, I can guarantee you if they fix frequencie and stop giving bolus amounts, there will be a lot more utility of hormones and metabolism, as opposed to giving the body big amounts and end up aromatisation due to not being able to handle the dose, which is where we see E2 sides come in. acne, BP, mood swings.

Of course this is not bible, but a way of mitigating side effects without having to throw another drug at it, where potentially health concern and likelihood of occurrence increases.

Hope that makes sense bro, again not bible, but a method.
 
65’s on the DB curls for 10 or 12
120 pin on the rope pulls
50’s on the single arm db curl
60 pin on the one arm curl machine
Usually 2 45 plates each side on the hammer strength push down machine
thats not bad, but you need to drop in a drop set 15 reps to clean the end pump man @DCB82
how intense are you?
 
Went ahead and took 0.25mg of adex this morning. Figured if I am actually rebounding the e2 it’ll knock it back..if not it’ll help my mindset to not be obsessing over it.
sure do it up but dont take more please so you dont crash it man :)

how as your thanksgiving? @DCB82
 
sure do it up but dont take more please so you dont crash it man :)

how as your thanksgiving? @DCB82
Thanks man. It was good! Hope yours was also. My workouts are good, the single heavy sets I do are max effort.
I did CrossFit for for 6 years and I don’t workout as intense as those workouts were but that’s a whole different type of excercise
 
Thanks man. It was good! Hope yours was also. My workouts are good, the single heavy sets I do are max effort.
I did CrossFit for for 6 years and I don’t workout as intense as those workouts were but that’s a whole different type of excercise
@DCB82 mine was great man :) thanksgiving all the way

want to see you clean up here so lets get protein high and intensity it up
 
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