Offiicial Precontest Log!!!

[Ahmad90]

Now that i have everything in place I am ready to start this precontest prep. First doses came a few days ago when i was 8 weeks out. The cycle will look like this:

Week 1-8
Test E:500mg/Week (250/250)
Aromasin:25mg EOD

Week 1-7
Winstrol:20mg/Day
Week 8
Winstrol:30mg/Day

Whether i add in a short acting compound the last 2-3 weeks like masteron or halotestin, i dont know yet. But this is the plan so far.


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[jp4355]

Like I said before, time is short, so I wish you, "All the Best"......................................... JP

 

[Ahmad90]

I will be postin pictures every week and first ones will come out tonight. I tweaked my workout routine a little and changed to training once a day because i realized my diet wasnt strong enough to support 2 workouts a day. I train 6 days a week. Workout Split is the following:

Mon:Abs,Calves
Tues:Back
Wed:Chest
Thurs:Rest
Fri:Legs
Sat:Shoulders
Sun:Arms

I will also occasionally add in cardio too just as soon as i get a little research done on it. If anyone would be willing to chime in on cardio advice im listening.


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[rickysim123]

first show?

 

[Ahmad90]

first show?

Yea


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[KC1985]

Cardio - at least do 2-3 distance(2+ miles) runs/ week. Also - find a place to do sprints for at least 30-45 mins with a minute or two between twice a week. You'll be crapped out but it will provide solid results with a good diet. Doing them after a workout is even better

 

[Ahmad90]

Stats as of Sept 9,
Height:5'7"
Weight:194.2lbs

Began Cycle Sept 16.
Will also check weight today.


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[rickysim123]

I dont know your exact bodyfat or bodytype for that matter....but I came in shredded to my show and I finished at around 1.5 hours of cardio per day, starting at around 20min 4x per week. the key is to adjust only as needed. Im not naturally a thin person so the fat shred slowly for me. how many weeks till show? bf %? are your abs visible?

 

[Ahmad90]

Like I said before, time is short, so I wish you, "All the Best"......................................... JP

Thanks i appreciate the support from you and a few of the other vets on here.


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[Ahmad90]

I dont know your exact bodyfat or bodytype for that matter....but I came in shredded to my show and I finished at around 1.5 hours of cardio per day, starting at around 20min 4x per week. the key is to adjust only as needed. Im not naturally a thin person so the fat shred slowly for me. how many weeks till show? bf %? are your abs visible?

Did you do cardio in the morning in a seperate session or before your workout or after?? Or does timing not matter.


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[rickysim123]

I did it post workout up until 45min. when i had over 45min of cardio I split it between post workout and in the evening. ultimately, just dont do it pre workout. I did all my cardio on stairmaster medium intensity.

 

[Jrbdallas]

I will be postin pictures every week and first ones will come out tonight. I tweaked my workout routine a little and changed to training once a day because i realized my diet wasnt strong enough to support 2 workouts a day. I train 6 days a week. Workout Split is the following:

Mon:Abs,Calves
Tues:Back
Wed:Chest
Thurs:Rest
Fri:Legs
Sat:Shoulders
Sun:Arms

I will also occasionally add in cardio too just as soon as i get a little research done on it. If anyone would be willing to chime in on cardio advice im listening.


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Cardio is straight up mandatory for your situation.

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[Jrbdallas]

Use the stair master and use it to flex and contract your quads hamstring and calves it will help the striations come in trust me.

Skip a step for a minute or two to really feel the ctraction through your glutes to your quads. Helps bring in the tie in with the muscle groups.

Good luck brother look forward to see your progress.

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[rickysim123]

agreed with the above post, noticed better glute devolpment over the past 16 weeks of doing that.

******make sure you stretch your legs and glutes! I had horrible problems with tightness and it affected my cardio intensity and leg workouts until i fixed that.

 

[Ahmad90]

Which days would you guys reccomend that i do cardio after?


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[rickysim123]

start it with 4x per week at 20min post workout to bring down the fat, when you stall, increase to every day, then 30min every day, then 45min...1 hour....and you really should go much past that. maybe an hour and a half if completely necessary 2 weeks out.

as far as which days: Id do them on your lowest intensity days. aka: not leg/back/rest day to start

 

[Jrbdallas]

Honestly at your stage. Cardio will need to be done every day. You don't want to have go worry about cardio a much your last week if you can help it. You have serious bf to get down in weeks and the test is not gonna help that.

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[muskate]

Now that i have everything in place I am ready to start this precontest prep. First doses came a few days ago when i was 8 weeks out. The cycle will look like this:

Week 1-8
Test E:500mg/Week (250/250)
Aromasin:25mg EOD

Week 1-7
Winstrol:20mg/Day
Week 8
Winstrol:30mg/Day

Whether i add in a short acting compound the last 2-3 weeks like masteron or halotestin, i dont know yet. But this is the plan so far.


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Your cycle looks good. A couple suggestions:
1. Keep aromasin at 12.5mg EOD for weeks 1 - 7. Only bump it up to 25mg EOD the last week
2. Drop your testosterone the last week and increase your winstrol to 50mg/day
3. Add in a liver aid when using oral steroids - n2guard from n2bm.com
4. After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Don't be shy to send me a PM if you need any help with your competition prep. I am excited for you and will be following along

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Did you do cardio in the morning in a seperate session or before your workout or after?? Or does timing not matter.


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Splitting it up is ideal because it causes two metabolism increase spikes throughout the day (due to post exercise oxygen consumption increase). It also will reduce cortisol levels because you aren't beating up your body as bad in a single session.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

You definitely need to incorporate cardio each day. I'd recommend splitting your cardio away from your workout as opposed to directly after. Do your cardio fasted in the morning and your training later on in the day. Your glycogen stores should be depleted after sleeping so you'll be able to oxidize fat easier. Plus by separating cardio and training, you'll induce two recovery "warranted" events meaning you'll get two metabolic spikes each day where you are burning a higher level of calories. You're on short time so good luck man. What's your nutrition setup looking like?

 

[Ahmad90]

Will be carb cycling like this:

Rest Day
Fat:38g
Carbs:26g
Protein:254g

Shoulders/Arms/Calves & Abs
Fat:63g
Carbs:168g
Protein:271g

Leg/Back/Chest Days
Fat:80g
Carbs:253g
Protein:295g


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[Ahmad90]

Carbs may seem high on leg/back/chest days but i just feel my body needs a little more carbs to hold some muscle. Idk why but ibe had experiences with dropping carbs low and got no results. My best results were when i kept carbs and fat at a moderate level with high protein.


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[LevButlerov]

Before anything, want to wish you the best of luck on your first contest. Regarding the cycle, it looks good. Although I think you would benefit big time from the addition of Cardarine GW and Andarine S4. Seems like a deal breaker before a contest - getting more ripped and conditioned without any side effects.

 

[Jrbdallas]

You need to understand when you decide to start your prep the option to gain muscle is gone. You can not possibly lean out on carbs that high. It's not possible dude. It seems like it but it's not.

You need to drop that waaaaayyyy down if you wanna get lean enough.

When you diet down you will not gain muscle but you will define what you have. You cannot sucessfull do both.

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[MaxxPursuit]

Carbs may seem high on leg/back/chest days but i just feel my body needs a little more carbs to hold some muscle. Idk why but ibe had experiences with dropping carbs low and got no results. My best results were when i kept carbs and fat at a moderate level with high protein.


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One thing I'd recommend to do man is structure your meals so your nutrient timing is effective around your activity. Like after your cardio session in the morning, consume Protein/Fat focused meals for the meals following that cardio session leading up to your training. Then consume Protein/Carb focused meals during & post training. Your body would just suck up all the carbs and put that towards recovery.

There obviously a million ways to setup nutrition but since you're short on time & trying to lean out and consume higher carbs on multiple days like you have setup, I would focus your carb intake primarily around your training when your body needs it so the rest of the day you're more in the mode of metabolizing fat. The only other things that stick out to me is your fat intake on your rest day is lower than I would want to go at your size. Assuming you've bulked and cut down multiple times so you know your body, this is just my 0.2 Good luck man.

 

[jcoutts91]

Bro lower the test to 250 a week bring the Winny up to 50mg cut the carbs below 150 up the protein and fat and add cardio everyday I prefer stair master or sled pulls I usually do it post workout just cause I have no time for two sessions BTW there is no evidence training fasted works any differently then unfasted also nutrient timing isn't really benefial as well this late in the game focus on intake macros training and your cycle fuvk the rest good luck bro personally I think you need like 20 week prep but look forward to seeing your results

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[stevesmi]

will be interested in following your progress.

and I agree with whats been said.. cardio is 100% necessary. people worry too much about cardio burning muscle and that is a myth. only if you do not get in enough nutrition will you burn muscle. but it will definitely burn fat.

if you don't have time for it then simply do a 15 minute jog everyday. that is as good a cardio as you can do in such a short time. i'm not a fan of the elliptical bullshit for an hour, never believed in it when I was an endurance athlete and still don't

 

[Ahmad90]

Lol ok guys i was too lazy to edit my face out of all these pictures so here they are!


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[Ahmad90]

DAY 4

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[Ahmad90]

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[Jrbdallas]

Fbi is gona be at your door maaaannnn. Watch for black vans. Lol nah your good. I used to crop mine. Now I'm like fuck it.

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[Ahmad90]

Yes i know i need a haircut.


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[Jrbdallas]

Lot.of.potential in your back too.

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[rickysim123]

Hey you look thick brother. Im just going to be honest with you though. you need to kick it in gear and start doing lots of cardio and drop the carbs. I want you to be shredded, and i think you can but start now. haha

 

[Jrbdallas]

Lat spread. Try to get your shoulders down and get nice and wide. Elbows should push forward and really pull those lats apart.

Back dbl bi.now I know it seems wierd and uncomfortable as fuck. If it hurts and feels uncomfortable, you know your doing it right lol. Twist your wrists back to peak your bi's get wider and push those elbows forward hard.

Always make sure to fire your legs each back pose. Those hammies need to pop. Think Fred flinstone. Like you wanna burn out with one leg on the floor. Instead of following through your gonna try to kick back yet push down.

The other leg you can twist outwards ever so slightly to give your legs the illusion of width.

Front dbl bi. Again twist your wrists back not forward. Bend knees slightly and suck whatever stomach you got in if you can.

Front relaxed. your shoulders forward a bit. Hips back slightly. Arms tight and always make a fist with thumbs in.

Looking good though man. You can clean up as you go. Did you find a coach?

And bro you need to drop the carbs. Its a must. You gotta come down quite a bit in BF% it can be done but you need to drop those carbs like a mother fucker.

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[Jrbdallas]

Front relaxed. Back poses and side poses are my bread and butter. Those are what I take advantage of. My weak ones are most muscular I have some misalignment o try to hide. Also I look wide cause my obliques are huge. I try to hide it. If you want more help before you find a coach. Try to get a pic of each mandatory in order like this.

Front relaxed.
Quarter turn to to the right
Quarter turn face the back
Quater turn to your right
Front double bi
Front lat spread
Side chest
Side tricep
Back double bi
Lat spread
Abdominal and quad
Most muscular

Those other poses. If you wanna use those save it for your routine. They don't wanna see that shit in mandatories.


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[MikeSnow]

Get that winny dosage up lol

 

[Ahmad90]

Lol. What dosage would you guys like me to run winny at? Keep in mind its for 8 weeks straight. And should i always be this hungry?? I dropped carbs to around 180 everyday and im still hungry after almost every meal. Should i just deal with it or eat more complex carbs?


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[Jrbdallas]

Lol. What dosage would you guys like me to run winny at? Keep in mind its for 8 weeks straight. And should i always be this hungry?? I dropped carbs to around 180 everyday and im still hungry after almost every meal. Should i just deal with it or eat more complex carbs?


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Welcome to contest prep keep in mind 180 is still far to high. you have to get used to it though. Couple things that will help you.....

High fiber bases.
Adding red mill potato starch to your shakes.
red meat
sugar free jello
vegitables of course
salads
stimulants will also fight off hunger a little bit. Pre workout always helped me
protien pudding.
almonds



This is the hardest part for sure. Dont act like complex carbs are an alternative cause they are not. Get carbs out of your head all together. Healthy fats help as well. Do you know the difference in macronutrient function and why fats are a better choice????
here is why. your body will burn fat even while you sleep however carbohydrates will not. you need to be able to burn the carbs off even in minimal intake.

your winny dose. honestly my girl would take what your using. Id say bump to at the very least 50. and go up from there is you can. 8 weeks is not bad at all. just use your liver supports of course. The thing o worry about is the joint issues with winny. you need to take some sort of joint support or you will fuuuuuuck yo self up.

I started to struggle bad with this but powered through. you have it much easier cause i was running a crap ton of steroids. one of them being tren wich made me want to eat constantly.

Telling you man get away from the damn carbohydrates. its not possible to do what your wanting to do with that high of intake. im not new to this. I've prepped countless times with buddies and for fun. My last being more serious obviously cause I got down to 218 but point is nooooobody in contest prep considers 180g of carbs low. fuck thats more than i would eat on a high carb day.

The diet is what separates the men from the boys. anyone can grow some muscle and look big. diet takes true will power and a true fight against your body. This has not even begun for you. Welcome to the fun.

 

[Ahmad90]

Ok and as for the winny. Should i split the tablets into 5 doses, 2 doses or all at once? I hear taking all at once puts more stress on the liver but has better results.


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[Jrbdallas]

Ya take your liver supports in the morning and then take the winny mid day and before bed. It's good to split it. Your only messing with 50 though. You won't have an issue with the liver stress as long as you have supports.

If you get halo or something like that, that's a little different. Little more to worry about. Your liver though is an amazingly strong and resilient organ lol. That's not saying abuse it but it can handle it self pretty well.

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[Ahmad90]

Ok thanks im going to up it to 50. Thank god winnys so cheap lol. Ill have to place another order soon.


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[Jrbdallas]

Ok thanks im going to up it to 50. Thank god winnys so cheap lol. Ill have to place another order soon.


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Just gotta watch for the dryness. It can ruin this whole thing if you injure yourself. I can't handle winny personally.

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[Bad Juju]

you going to do lasix or dizzied before the show?

 

[Ahmad90]

you going to do lasix or dizzied before the show?

Not 100% sure yet. Just going by the advice of people on this forum.


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[Jrbdallas]

Not 100% sure yet. Just going by the advice of people on this forum.


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Unless you have a coach there to walk you through step by step I would encourage you not to. Definitly not lasix. Dyazide is safer but still. You don't wanna end up in the hospital.

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[Jrbdallas]

As far as finding dyazide I'm the guy to talk to of you go that route. Very very tough to get.

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[Bad Juju]

yeah i can get it too. dizzied would be the best option as well imo. you'd only need like a cap of it. but i can only help those north of the border

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dyazide that is

 

[Jrbdallas]

Dyazide would be 2 caps the night before and then one before the show. It act ls fast. It's also potassium spearing wich is good. Lasix is not and can make you go really flat. Also can make you go deaf lol.

Bottom line don't use fucking lasix especially a guy like you just getting thier feet wet. Honestly I'd encourage you not to use dyazide either. Like I said you need someone there. You try to go solo without having any experimentation or knowledge on what it does, it could be alllll bad. You arnt even at 25-30 carbs a day on your low days. Start getting that dicipline down first.

Juju you must be in Canada huh? What kind are you getting? PP if you decide to ignore the suggestion this is at least what your looking form Mylans are the best in my experience. I messed with this crap just to see what it would do. Lasix too. I have some decent experience with them both. Tried several different ways.

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[Jrbdallas]

Here in US its fucking hard as shit to find lol. It's funny cause its not even a controlled substance it's fucking bp medication lol. This is harder for me to find than freaking clique drops or any other off the wall steroid.

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[Bad Juju]

haha. i got a little easier access to it here. luckily. but no one has ever gotten it yet

 

[Jrbdallas]

haha. i got a little easier access to it here. luckily. but no one has ever gotten it yet

It was a straight journey finding it here. Another guy here in Canada got me a back up option too. You guys are awesome. Makes me jealous at times. And even where I did find it, it's like 50 bucks for 30 caps. Wich is ridiculous.

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[siimpleminded]

Ok and as for the winny. Should i split the tablets into 5 doses, 2 doses or all at once? I hear taking all at once puts more stress on the liver but has better results.


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I always follow the rule of thumb for orals. Always 8hrs apart.


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[Jrbdallas]

I always follow the rule of thumb for orals. Always 8hrs apart.


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Ya 8 hrs is the tried and true. For most....

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[Bad Juju]

It was a straight journey finding it here. Another guy here in Canada got me a back up option too. You guys are awesome. Makes me jealous at times. And even where I did find it, it's like 50 bucks for 30 caps. Wich is ridiculous.

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Haha. i think that I'm that back up option lol. too funny

 

[Ahmad90]

Im thinking of not competing. Maybe, ill see how the next few weeks go. I dont think im developed/heavy enough muscle wise. Regardless of my decision heres another pic from todays chest workout. Im smiling cuz im makin dem
Gainz.

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[Ahmad90]

DAY 10***


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[MaxxPursuit]

Im thinking of not competing. Maybe, ill see how the next few weeks go. I dont think im developed/heavy enough muscle wise. Regardless of my decision heres another pic from todays chest workout. Im smiling cuz im makin dem
Gainz.

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Not a bad decision man. You were cutting really short on time plus with it being your first cycle, it's probably best to just focus on yourself and see how it goes. Theres always another time to compete - just gotta plan it way in advanced to prepare yourself.

 

[Ahmad90]

Not a bad decision man. You were cutting really short on time plus with it being your first cycle, it's probably best to just focus on yourself and see how it goes. Theres always another time to compete - just gotta plan it way in advanced to prepare yourself.

Yea i was thinking about what would happen if i competed vs if i dont. If i compete and dont get as shredded as i want then the cycle was kind of "wasted." Instead if i use the next 10 weeks to bulk and maybe run a cycle next year in spring or fall then id be coming in much heavier and leaner. Right now i have my goals set at pushing 230lbs by the end of this cycle and keep whatever i can.


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[Jrbdallas]

Yea i was thinking about what would happen if i competed vs if i dont. If i compete and dont get as shredded as i want then the cycle was kind of "wasted." Instead if i use the next 10 weeks to bulk and maybe run a cycle next year in spring or fall then id be coming in much heavier and leaner. Right now i have my goals set at pushing 230lbs by the end of this cycle and keep whatever i can.


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Very wise choice bro. trust me I know it sucks but you will truly appreciate it thay much more. And it goes beyond just the prep. You wanna select something YOU will forever be proud of.

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[Ahmad90]

Oh yea forgot to mention im dropping orals from this cycle! Gonna do just Test E. Face started to get oily yeaterday and acne started to come in as well. Im also up 4lbs.

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[gainscity]

Cardio - at least do 2-3 distance(2+ miles) runs/ week. Also - find a place to do sprints for at least 30-45 mins with a minute or two between twice a week. You'll be crapped out but it will provide solid results with a good diet. Doing them after a workout is even better

yeah do cardio like that if you want to look like a cross country runner.

 

[gainscity]

Im thinking of not competing. Maybe, ill see how the next few weeks go. I dont think im developed/heavy enough muscle wise. Regardless of my decision heres another pic from todays chest workout. Im smiling cuz im makin dem
Gainz.

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how many weeks till show day? what you need to do is get super lean before you started your cycle but you're already on so do keto a couple weeks get lean doing that, then cycle carbs again to get muscle fullness back in action.. something like 1-1.5g per lb of bw for protein and set carbs at 150-200 moderate days, have none on your low days. If you want to be conditioned have 3-4 low/no carb days and 2 moderate days and 1 carb up day as necessary to fill out. Cardio I believe you should try fasted or post workout 45min 5x a week at a low intensity. I like doing a incline treadmill usually 3.5 speed and 10 incline. Start ephedrine+caffeine at 25mg with 100-200mg caffeine 2-4x a day (dose according to tolerance)

cycle
350mg test p
50mg winny ed
12.5mg aromasin eod

cut test p 3-4 days out
50mg winny till show day
1/2 tab dyazide 2x a day 1 day out (morning before carb up and before bed)
carb up by feel and how full/dry u look not counting up your macros and bs.
eat sodium in the morning of show day to fill out with a high carb meal

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You need to understand when you decide to start your prep the option to gain muscle is gone. You can not possibly lean out on carbs that high. It's not possible dude. It seems like it but it's not.

You need to drop that waaaaayyyy down if you wanna get lean enough.

When you diet down you will not gain muscle but you will define what you have. You cannot sucessfull do both.

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yes accurate! but in experience if running tren whole prep then its another story lol talk about a recomp.

 

[Joe 2013]

i would start at 30m fasted every morning . I competed 10 times since 2010 , always big shows like nationals , european and world championships and Mr. universe . There are quite a few ways to come in shredded , best that worked for me was in the last 8 weeks 1h cardio fasted in the morning and 1 bodypart in the afternoon . Diet was carb cycling , i had shredded glutes ....actually shredded everything and took home the world and european title ( 2011 ) beating guys 20 pounds heavier than me

 

[Joe 2013]

just sas your pics , my i-pad takes time to load them up......man you are way behind . Sorry to break to you....up the cardio , ed 45m-1 hour . Why test enanthate ? You should do test propionate and if you don't want to do a second inject do winny the last 4 weeks at 50 ed . Go very low carbs and one high carb day every 4th-5th day . best of luck for your show

 

[Jrbdallas]

how many weeks till show day? what you need to do is get super lean before you started your cycle but you're already on so do keto a couple weeks get lean doing that, then cycle carbs again to get muscle fullness back in action.. something like 1-1.5g per lb of bw for protein and set carbs at 150-200 moderate days, have none on your low days. If you want to be conditioned have 3-4 low/no carb days and 2 moderate days and 1 carb up day as necessary to fill out. Cardio I believe you should try fasted or post workout 45min 5x a week at a low intensity. I like doing a incline treadmill usually 3.5 speed and 10 incline. Start ephedrine+caffeine at 25mg with 100-200mg caffeine 2-4x a day (dose according to tolerance)

cycle
350mg test p
50mg winny ed
12.5mg aromasin eod

cut test p 3-4 days out
50mg winny till show day
1/2 tab dyazide 2x a day 1 day out (morning before carb up and before bed)
carb up by feel and how full/dry u look not counting up your macros and bs.
eat sodium in the morning of show day to fill out with a high carb meal

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yes accurate! but in experience if running tren whole prep then its another story lol talk about a recomp.

Dude I went real real high on tren and more. No matter how ylu look at it it just doesn't work that way. It may for someone who's still not able to reach the higher end of thier growth potential but it's still just not going to be an option if your cutting down sicessfully.
It's certainly not even a remote possibility where OP is being that he needs to loose so much in such a short time.

Your body is not meant to drop weight that fast. As it is you would experience muscle loss. But this is specifically why it's good fmto plan ahead for say 2lbs of muscle each week as you go down.

also the dyazide portion is dosed to low. Half a tab won't do much of anything. It's a 2:1. if you time it wrong your fucked. That's why I say best something like granola that will not only help but will also accomplish a good portion of your carb needs. One hair off with this stuff and you risk your whole prep. Unless you have someone to keep with you and guide your through it don't fuck with it.

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[Jrbdallas]

i would start at 30m fasted every morning . I competed 10 times since 2010 , always big shows like nationals , european and world championships and Mr. universe . There are quite a few ways to come in shredded , best that worked for me was in the last 8 weeks 1h cardio fasted in the morning and 1 bodypart in the afternoon . Diet was carb cycling , i had shredded glutes ....actually shredded everything and took home the world and european title ( 2011 ) beating guys 20 pounds heavier than me

All you need right there. People think you have to kill yourself and you really dont. cardio is not meant to be counter productive.

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[biggamike]

Gotta follow this one. Lots of Good info on here. Wish you the best on your show man! Whether you decide to do it or not, don't stop killing it!

 

[gainscity]

Dude I went real real high on tren and more. No matter how ylu look at it it just doesn't work that way. It may for someone who's still not able to reach the higher end of thier growth potential but it's still just not going to be an option if your cutting down sicessfully.
It's certainly not even a remote possibility where OP is being that he needs to loose so much in such a short time.

Your body is not meant to drop weight that fast. As it is you would experience muscle loss. But this is specifically why it's good fmto plan ahead for say 2lbs of muscle each week as you go down.

also the dyazide portion is dosed to low. Half a tab won't do much of anything. It's a 2:1. if you time it wrong your fucked. That's why I say best something like granola that will not only help but will also accomplish a good portion of your carb needs. One hair off with this stuff and you risk your whole prep. Unless you have someone to keep with you and guide your through it don't fuck with it.

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I respect your opinion on this board but with my experience when I start tren lean in single digit I stay that way. I can eat a lot of food and even dirty it up and I'll stay lean and just grow. That's how I respond to it anyway. And with dyazide I've dosed it higher before. Did 2 tabs 1 day out from a "test peak week" and I was flat as a board. You don't need anymore then 1 1/2 tabs. Well also what mg of dyazide tabs we talking! Mine are pharma grade dosed at 25/37.5


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[Jzp87]

I respect your opinion on this board but with my experience when I start tren lean in single digit I stay that way. I can eat a lot of food and even dirty it up and I'll stay lean and just grow. That's how I respond to it anyway. And with dyazide I've dosed it higher before. Did 2 tabs 1 day out from a "test peak week" and I was flat as a board. You don't need anymore then 1 1/2 tabs. Well also what mg of dyazide tabs we talking! Mine are pharma grade dosed at 25/37.5


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You also have to remember you are very young and what your body does is completely different than say someone my age, I got about 10 years on you and about 10 years on you in the game.

I see you have tried a lot of gear at your age but still yet everyone is different, every body in the world is different so no matter what yours does someone else will be different. This is a trial and error kinda thing and the op has cut himself short in my book and would need major prep to be ready for a show and should probably just hold off in my book.

I'm not taking up for anyone or calling you out, just saying you have even tried to correct me and this ain't my first rodeo and have been doing this a long time. I'm not saying your wrong or that it don't work for you I'm just saying there's always going to be different ways of doing this that work for different people so one persons might not be right or wrong.


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[Ahmad90]

just sas your pics , my i-pad takes time to load them up......man you are way behind . Sorry to break to you....up the cardio , ed 45m-1 hour . Why test enanthate ? You should do test propionate and if you don't want to do a second inject do winny the last 4 weeks at 50 ed . Go very low carbs and one high carb day every 4th-5th day . best of luck for your show

Huh? I wrote in last post maybe you guys didnt see that ima drop the contest. I wasnt feeling the winny for this contest. By that i mean i didnt like it, id rather gain some experience and mass then prob come in next year with Test P and some Eq maybe and finish off with an oral like Tbol or some inj Masteron. Not a big fan of running orals for long.


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[Jrbdallas]

I respect your opinion on this board but with my experience when I start tren lean in single digit I stay that way. I can eat a lot of food and even dirty it up and I'll stay lean and just grow. That's how I respond to it anyway. And with dyazide I've dosed it higher before. Did 2 tabs 1 day out from a "test peak week" and I was flat as a board. You don't need anymore then 1 1/2 tabs. Well also what mg of dyazide tabs we talking! Mine are pharma grade dosed at 25/37.5


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Well there is no such thing as a ugl dyazide lol its all pharma. Im assuming what you have is made by Mylan or whatever are they yellow/green? Those are good. How did you carb load? The timing with that stuff is ridiculous you mess up just slightly and your fucked. Lasix is even worse though.

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Huh? I wrote in last post maybe you guys didnt see that ima drop the contest. I wasnt feeling the winny for this contest. By that i mean i didnt like it, id rather gain some experience and mass then prob come in next year with Test P and some Eq maybe and finish off with an oral like Tbol or some inj Masteron. Not a big fan of running orals for long.


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Somthing you better be a fan of at somepoint. They see injection marks or anything like that on stage, they might doc you for it Plus the oral AAS protocols play a pretty crucial role. Now i personally think winny is fucking terrible anyway. It works but fuck that shit.

 

[Ahmad90]

Well there is no such thing as a ugl dyazide lol its all pharma. Im assuming what you have is made by Mylan or whatever are they yellow/green? Those are good. How did you carb load? The timing with that stuff is ridiculous you mess up just slightly and your fucked. Lasix is even worse though.

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Somthing you better be a fan of at somepoint. They see injection marks or anything like that on stage, they might doc you for it Plus the oral AAS protocols play a pretty crucial role. Now i personally think winny is fucking terrible anyway. It works but fuck that shit.

They are assholes of they do that lol. How do they expect us to get that big then?? And wont the spray tan cover the injection marks?


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[Jrbdallas]

I respect your opinion on this board but with my experience when I start tren lean in single digit I stay that way. I can eat a lot of food and even dirty it up and I'll stay lean and just grow. That's how I respond to it anyway. And with dyazide I've dosed it higher before. Did 2 tabs 1 day out from a "test peak week" and I was flat as a board. You don't need anymore then 1 1/2 tabs. Well also what mg of dyazide tabs we talking! Mine are pharma grade dosed at 25/37.5


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I just saw you mentioned you used dyazide a day out? thats the problem right there. that stuff is for a final shebang before prejudging within a 6- mayyybe 8 hour window before. and then you will have a few hours between then and finals to get your shit back in line and counteract any issues. That stuff is super fast acting dude. It will hit you in about 30 min.

I say night before, but I mean like 2:00am or 3 even 4am. pre judging usually at 8 or 9... your last dose would litterly be at like 8. Ive seen sooooooo many people use it pre contest. Seen it done right. Seen it done wrong. Just a tricky little situation. Also depending how you carb up too. Nobody really sleeps the night before thier show. Sleep in the day before check in's and then your ass is pretty much up all night long grazing carbs lol.

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You also have to remember you are very young and what your body does is completely different than say someone my age, I got about 10 years on you and about 10 years on you in the game.

I see you have tried a lot of gear at your age but still yet everyone is different, every body in the world is different so no matter what yours does someone else will be different. This is a trial and error kinda thing and the op has cut himself short in my book and would need major prep to be ready for a show and should probably just hold off in my book.

I'm not taking up for anyone or calling you out, just saying you have even tried to correct me and this ain't my first rodeo and have been doing this a long time. I'm not saying your wrong or that it don't work for you I'm just saying there's always going to be different ways of doing this that work for different people so one persons might not be right or wrong.


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why you such an angry old man breh?! haha i texted you back btw.

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You also have to remember you are very young and what your body does is completely different than say someone my age, I got about 10 years on you and about 10 years on you in the game.

I see you have tried a lot of gear at your age but still yet everyone is different, every body in the world is different so no matter what yours does someone else will be different. This is a trial and error kinda thing and the op has cut himself short in my book and would need major prep to be ready for a show and should probably just hold off in my book.

I'm not taking up for anyone or calling you out, just saying you have even tried to correct me and this ain't my first rodeo and have been doing this a long time. I'm not saying your wrong or that it don't work for you I'm just saying there's always going to be different ways of doing this that work for different people so one persons might not be right or wrong.


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dude no doubt though. Im 23 now and its just this year i noticed the metabolism change. I used to say the same shit back in the day. Little did i know i was a growing boy... haha. Give it a couple years. You will be like wait.. what? whats happening? lol. I used to run gear and stay lean no mater what the hell i ate.

 

[gainscity]

I just saw you mentioned you used dyazide a day out? thats the problem right there. that stuff is for a final shebang before prejudging within a 6- mayyybe 8 hour window before. and then you will have a few hours between then and finals to get your shit back in line and counteract any issues. That stuff is super fast acting dude. It will hit you in about 30 min.

I say night before, but I mean like 2:00am or 3 even 4am. pre judging usually at 8 or 9... your last dose would litterly be at like 8. Ive seen sooooooo many people use it pre contest. Seen it done right. Seen it done wrong. Just a tricky little situation. Also depending how you carb up too. Nobody really sleeps the night before thier show. Sleep in the day before check in's and then your ass is pretty much up all night long grazing carbs lol.

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why you such an angry old man breh?! haha i texted you back btw.

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dude no doubt though. Im 23 now and its just this year i noticed the metabolism change. I used to say the same shit back in the day. Little did i know i was a growing boy... haha. Give it a couple years. You will be like wait.. what? whats happening? lol. I used to run gear and stay lean no mater what the hell i ate.

I've tested different peak weeks before and I found what works best for me. I know how to use dyazide for myself


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[Jrbdallas]

They are assholes of they do that lol. How do they expect us to get that big then?? And wont the spray tan cover the injection marks?


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I know right haha. Well as long as its not obvious you know. You would be suprised what stands out on stage lol. That's one big reason why people hit the orals hard towords he very end. People just dont realize they will mark you for it. They will mark you for gyno too lol. You dont have it, im just saying they would if you did.

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I've tested different peak weeks before and I found what works best for me. I know how to use dyazide for myself


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Ya thats all that matters man. What works for you is what will work for you. I'm all for it.

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I've tested different peak weeks before and I found what works best for me. I know how to use dyazide for myself


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what are you prepping for? anything coming up?

 

[gainscity]

I know right haha. Well as long as its not obvious you know. You would be suprised what stands out on stage lol. That's one big reason why people hit the orals hard towords he very end. People just dont realize they will mark you for it. They will mark you for gyno too lol. You dont have it, im just saying they would if you did.

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Ya thats all that matters man. What works for you is what will work for you. I'm all for it.

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what are you prepping for? anything coming up?

I'm just going with the flow man. I started cutting today

 

[Ahmad90]

DAY 24 or 25. These were pics from the other day. Everything has been SHIT so far. Diet shit, training schedule shit, sleeping shit. Went through some bad stuff recently and it screwed me over badly. I added dbol back in at 10mg a day for the first half the 20mg the second half. Im off it and wont be doing anything else except winny later on and maybe some NPP. Im going to try to cut up a lot the last 5-6 weeks of the cycle just to see how my body reacts. Currently at 202lbs which is shit honestly if i dieted and trained i woulda been way better. Ive been literally living off sub 1,000 cals a day for past 5-7 days. The change is going to start tomorrow.

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[Ahmad90]

DAY 28 I believe

I probably wont post another picture til
the end of my cycle in November.


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[gearhead]

bro looking good ...closer to contest shape already...well done

 

[Ahmad90]

DAY 34?

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[Ahmad90]

Definitely going hard on my traps in the next few weeks. Never really directly trained them but someone mentioned it as a weak point and i started to realize they were. Added 2 different variations of shrugs to my shoulder day.


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[Ahmad90]

bro looking good ...closer to contest shape already...well done

Gearhead since you are a mod can you take this thread down, i have too many pics of myself. All this talk of steroid busts and ppl goin to jail for roids has gotten me paranoid lol.


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[Tinkz]

Next time just cover your face, so that no ones knows who it is. Anyway good luck with them gainzzzz.

 

[jcoutts91]

Come on man talk is just that talk I think you are fine

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