PCT completed, low libido

[fury09]

hello!

today was the final day of my pct which looked like:

clomid 50/50/50/50 ED

nolva 20/20/20/20 ED

- i used aromasin for the first 6 days (EOD) (3 times), 12.5, 6.25, 6.25 but stopped it after i noticed low estrogen symptoms stated here: http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-handbook

and also due to some chest pain issues for which i had posted a topic here: http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/chest-heart-pain-due-aromasin-47787.html

- my cycle consisted of EQ (400 mg/week), Winny (50 mg ED for first 4 and last 4 weeks) and Test-E (250 mg/week)

but after the first 10 days of starting pct, my libido has been very low. testicles are almost the normal size (not fully) as pre-cycle. is this due to possibly low estrogen levels or is it a common condition during pct? will my libido return to normal in a month or two? it was absolutely normal during cycle and during the bridge to pct.

- what is the appropriate time to get bloodwork done? how long do i need to wait now that i have completed my pct?

- do supplements such as ZMA or Tribulus actually help boosting test levels? i have been using ZMA for the past 10 days.

 

[Jay Scott]

hello!

today was the final day of my pct which looked like:

clomid 50/50/50/50 ED

nolva 20/20/20/20 ED

- i used aromasin for the first 6 days (EOD) (3 times), 12.5, 6.25, 6.25 but stopped it after i noticed low estrogen symptoms stated here: http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-handbook

and also due to some chest pain issues for which i had posted a topic here: http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/chest-heart-pain-due-aromasin-47787.html

- my cycle consisted of EQ (400 mg/week), Winny (50 mg ED for first 4 and last 4 weeks) and Test-E (250 mg/week)

but after the first 10 days of starting pct, my libido has been very low. testicles are almost the normal size (not fully) as pre-cycle. is this due to possibly low estrogen levels or is it a common condition during pct? will my libido return to normal in a month or two? it was absolutely normal during cycle and during the bridge to pct.

- what is the appropriate time to get bloodwork done? how long do i need to wait now that i have completed my pct?

- do supplements such as ZMA or Tribulus actually help boosting test levels? i have been using ZMA for the past 10 days.

Supplements like ZMA, tribulus or HCGenerate usually help with libido. HCGenerate has a lot of different ingredients which all are known to help with it, so you can give it a try

 

[stevesmi]

running a 2 SERM with AI pct is a horrible pct.

of course your libido will go to shit on it. you ever notice the people who push that pct are all on TRT? lol. seriously it is true.

just google "clomid/nolva hurt my libido" and see how many threads you get.

i'm glad you stopped that horrible pct, now let the drugs leave your system and in the mean time pick up some hcgenerate ES.. you will feel better i promise

 

[muskate]

I answer threads like this literally every single day on the board. A couple things:
1. Recovery takes time. It's not like a light switch. More like a dimmer switch. Be patient. You should feel back to your normal self once your PCT is done.
2. The old school 2 SERM PCT is NOT optimal at all. I highly recommend adding a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com and the SARMS ostarine and cardarine into your PCT. It will ensure that your natural testosterone production full recovers and you keep all the gains you made from your cycle.
Te perfect PCT article explains it all -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Wait at least 1 month after your PCT to get blood work done because otherwise the SERMS used in the PCT protocol will still be active in your body and give the blood work a false reading.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I think if you would have ran HCGenerate ES throughout PCT you would feel much better. Yes, your body is still recovering but a strong natural test booster like that really helps to counteract these side effects. I would wait 3-4 weeks after PCT and get blood work done.

 

[Vallieflag]

There's nothing wrong with clomid/nolva as PCT. You did it correctly and exactly as you should. Don't bother with 'natural testosterone boosters', they are all garbage. If clomid and nolva doesn't get your test back to normal, tribulus and fenugreek isn't going to do jack shit.
its possible your PCT drugs were bunk and you haven't actually done a PCT yet. Did you buy UGL? Any chance they're not legit? You can get a blood test now to see if the clomid and nolva has gotten you back to normal, but generally you should wait 4-6 weeks after the end of your PCT to get bloods. You got pre cycle bloods so you know your baseline right?

 

[stevesmi]

the problem with SERM only pct's is that they are outdated

SERM's drop IGF-1, they also have a lot of shitty side effects. just google "nolva killed my libido" and see how many threads you find. you should always stack a strong T booster. I agree most T boosters are garbage, nothing more than a few things and a bunch of fillers. but n2bm sells hcgenerate and hcgenerate ES and if you read the ingredients they are stacked with crazy amounts of libido increasing supplements. so you will keep your libido and motivation. you should also utilize SARM's, especially ostarine and GW which are non hormonal when used properly

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Guys, lets also remember that SERMS do not magically "restart HPTA". That is not possible. It is ultimately up to the body to recover natural testosterone on its own. SERMS will help and make the landing softer but they will not magically start test production again.

 

[Jay Scott]

There's nothing wrong with clomid/nolva as PCT. You did it correctly and exactly as you should. Don't bother with 'natural testosterone boosters', they are all garbage. If clomid and nolva doesn't get your test back to normal, tribulus and fenugreek isn't going to do jack shit.
its possible your PCT drugs were bunk and you haven't actually done a PCT yet. Did you buy UGL? Any chance they're not legit? You can get a blood test now to see if the clomid and nolva has gotten you back to normal, but generally you should wait 4-6 weeks after the end of your PCT to get bloods. You got pre cycle bloods so you know your baseline right?

nolva + clomid is a good combination but I always include some test boosters along them to optimize the recovery period

 

[DoubleDK]

I am confused about the two SERM protocol. The "perfect PCT" article recommends Clomid and Nolva, but then people on here are saying not to use both???

 

[stevesmi]

I am confused about the two SERM protocol. The "perfect PCT" article recommends Clomid and Nolva, but then people on here are saying not to use both???

using both is an option bro. it depends how you react to them. for me I cannot stand nolva, but i can handle clomid just fine. so i will use clomid only. ideally if you can use both at low dosages they create a positive synergy BUT you must stack with a natural t booster or you are going to deal with some nasty sides

 

[muskate]

I am confused about the two SERM protocol. The "perfect PCT" article recommends Clomid and Nolva, but then people on here are saying not to use both???

When we are referring to things like "The 2 SERM PCT is not optimal" we are talking about JUST using 2 SERMS as a PCT. I.e. just using clomid and nolvadex as a PCT.

A proper PCT will include 1-2 SERMS, ostarine, cardarine and a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com. What we are basically saying is that a proper PCT needs SERMS + ostarine, cardarine and a good natural testosterone booster.

 

[yesidont]

and what about pt 141 ??

 

[muskate]

and what about pt 141 ??

Here is a good article for you to read on PT-141 -> https://www.elitefitness.com/articles/amazing-sex-drug/

Dosages -
for men:
.5 mg = light
1.0mg = moderate
2.0mg = heavy

women are about half the dose of men

pin subQ, wait AT LEAST 3 hours, then you're ready to have intercourse.
caution: your erection will last between 12 and 18 hours, depending on dose and your sensitivity to this compound.

One of the main things that made so many people interested in PT141 is that their is no issues of suppression or lack of performance when you stop using it. The problem with viagra is that your body can become dependent on it if you use it daily. You don't have the same problem with PT141.

The biggest problem with PT141 is trying to find a reputable source. SO MUCH of the peptides on the market now a days are fake and it's almost impossible to find legitimate peptides.

I personally would stick with Cialis. You can legally order Cialis as a research chemical liquid and it is much more mild then viagra. If you only use it a few days per week, your body won't become dependent on it and there are no issues of suppression.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I would run the 2 SERMs and make sure you get the HCGenerate ES as your priority. If you can swing it, the Cardarine and Ostarine are difference makers. That is why we call it the Perfect PCT!

 

[Jay Scott]

I am confused about the two SERM protocol. The "perfect PCT" article recommends Clomid and Nolva, but then people on here are saying not to use both???

nolva is not recommended if you used 19nor compound (tren or deca) during your cycle, otherwise you need to (or advised to) used both