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I have finished my last AAS cycle in May 2017 since then proper PCT and SARMs and I experienced full recovery + I put muscle size even more, along with more muscle definition...strength has only slightly reduced.

The thing is that I have been constantly using SARMs like LGD the Ostarine and just last month I have done RAD. I didnt stop taking MK-677 at all the time which is for about 6 months by now. But after RAD last month, I started be suppressed, my libido is low, sex drive isnt there at all. Normally off cycle I used to have erection at least 3 times a day, but since last month is 1x a week.

In last 3 weeks I am only on MK-677 still and I added HCG 5000iu splitted to 3 equal dosages EOD just to boost my test.immediate,
after that 1.st week there was Clomid 2tbls and Tamoxifen 2tbls right before bed
1tbl of Proviron right after I wake up

Now I am on Tamoxifen and Proviron only + Magnesium,Zinc but I didnt experience sex drive back, erection isnt there at all and I feel completely switched off, getting nervous and desperate that I am not helping my natural test.while I am on PCT 3 weeks so far.

This was my first experience with SARMs this year but I didnt expect such a shoot down like from gear or even worse.

I dont really know what to do and how to get back. Just considering to add back HCG 500iu every day for 20 days in total + Arimedex which helped me a lot in past. I also considering to get Testosterone Blood Test to get done, but it seems to me bit pointless as I know its going to be low.

If you can get me any advice based on experience or science, I will appreciate it in advance.
 
brother you cannot be using lgd, s4 or RAD nonstop.. you gotta cycle them

the nutrobal you can run year round, assuming you are really getting actual nutrobal

as for pct, you should never include hcg in that! hcg is actually suppressive so you are only delaying recovery.
 
The thing is that I have been constantly using SARMs like LGD the Ostarine and just last month I have done RAD. I didnt stop taking MK-677 at all the time which is for about 6 months by now. But after RAD last month, I started be suppressed, my libido is low, sex drive isnt there at all. Normally off cycle I used to have erection at least 3 times a day, but since last month is 1x a week.
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No clear info...No Cycle....No Dosage info... :confused:
 
Your libido problems are because you using tamoxifen + proviron with no steroids that aromatize into estrogen. Both of those drugs have anti-estrogen properties. If you got your blood work tested, your estrogen would be rock bottom.

Remember that some estrogen is needed for normal sexual function.

Stop both those drugs and use a natural testosterone booster as a mini PCT. That's all you need after a cycle of SARMS. You don't need SERMS or anything like that. Grab a bottle of hcgenerate ES from the board sponsor n2bm.com and use that.
 
There is way too much going on here. It is getting extremely complicated. Honestly, stop taking shit. Just let your body recover. HCG is probably the worst thing you could be using too. It is shutting you down even further so how can you expect test to recover.
 
chadmack282 said:
LDG for 8months non stop ??
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that is like using TRT. you can do that but it will be harder to come off.. easier than using steroids but still more difficult

we always recommend cycling sarm's 12 weeks
 
stevesmi said:
that is like using TRT. you can do that but it will be harder to come off.. easier than using steroids but still more difficult

we always recommend cycling sarm's 12 weeks
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Just to make myself more clear I have finished AAS cycle in May 2017 and since then after PCT I have been using MK-677 nonstop and meantime I have been always combine it with something else like 1x LGD ( 10mg a day ) then I switched to 1xOstarine ( 25mg a day ) and then last month to 1xRAD ( 10mg a day ). My very first SARMs experience and I found it very effective even despite my skepticism and many rumors. But I underestimated it due to my experience with AAS. My fault.
That point about using Proviron and Tamoxifen with no AAS usage but SARMs instead makes sence when it comes to block estrogen level as there is no need to block estrogen after SARMs. But I have seen it useful to boost testicles/test.increase etc on the other hand.

About the HCG I am not sure what do you mean exactly by not using it at all as it slowing down your recovery. Do you mean only after SARMs cycle or would you avoid it even after AAS ..? Because of what I know in last 6 years I have been using AAS - and HCG has always place in it. I also found it useful to use HCG during AAS cycle in the middle or on the end, rather then in PCT based on many researches. Quite a few PRO have used it to have children after they hit bottom with their sperms.

I appreciate your responds.
 
I thought probably bit in this way. Yes.. Especially because of SARMs have in public label on it ,,No Side Effects,, Safe To Use,, Rather then Steroids,, so I did not expect such a shut down. In steroid use I had things under more control as I knew what to expect. But SARMs are pretty new..

So any suggestion how to put things right ? in a simple content at least. I stop taking Proviron and Tamox.if you people here say so..Is there sense to purchase Test.Booster if I already take D3 ( 10 000 iu ) daily + K2 = Zinc 30mg daily + Magnesium 400mg daily ?? Most of them have these indegredients in it.. Or Arimedex ? There I noticed test.increase in 1 week the same as it says on label.

Thanks
 
dobermann said:
I thought probably bit in this way. Yes.. Especially because of SARMs have in public label on it ,,No Side Effects,, Safe To Use,, Rather then Steroids,, so I did not expect such a shut down. In steroid use I had things under more control as I knew what to expect. But SARMs are pretty new..

So any suggestion how to put things right ? in a simple content at least. I stop taking Proviron and Tamox.if you people here say so..Is there sense to purchase Test.Booster if I already take D3 ( 10 000 iu ) daily + K2 = Zinc 30mg daily + Magnesium 400mg daily ?? Most of them have these indegredients in it.. Or Arimedex ? There I noticed test.increase in 1 week the same as it says on label.

Thanks
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The guys will advice but you'll need to excuse my asking and commenting as others considering doing a long cycle on sarms may also see this thread and reconsider. I don't care for anyone, mods included, to state 'no side effects' or, as I have seen a LOT, 'minimal suppression'.

Firstly, we know there are some Sarms (one in particular) which DO have side effects - yellow tinted vision being the one that springs to mind.

Secondly, minimal suppression still suggests SOME as opposed to none. Now we know that staying on long term the more potent roids will cause issues but so will sarms if you stay on for over half a year. It's kinda obvious. If there was zero or no suppression you'd have natural production as well as the slight lift from the sarm. But, to date, that's never happened. There are a bunch of feedback systems which all seem to work on the basis of 'a hormone is here, I can stop producing'. Not, 'I can half stop production' or 'I can slow down and reduce production'. Even if that MIGHT be true with a short term cycle using the least harsh sarm it's not gonna be true for over 6 months use.

Understanding which feedback system shut you down (which part of the whole HPTA system) might help with knowing what to advise

Just to reiterate - I've training buddies who only reduce and very, very rarely come off. Their heads are usually what makes them go back on. But we all know they are gonna either have no baby making ability or require serious baby making protocols to get production back and it wont be an easy fix. Two I can think of have been on for YEARS (although one claims to be off right now - heck he's still gonna have some clearing). Whatever they need to do with roids you'll probabky need to do with long term sarm use. Maybe less of a dose. We will see.
 
You need to do a lot more research on HCG. It is an estrogen. It is an extract from pregnant female urine. Yes, it is synthetically made but that is its origin. It suppresses natural testosterone production which is why it hinders recovery. Way too many people use this shit just because people tell them to or because other people use it. If you actually research the drug you will see how bad it is.
 
Thanks for recent responds to my thread. Finally I got my BLOOD WORK done and here are my results after LONG-term SARMs cycle.

FSH 5.66 iu/L

LH 5.98 iu/L

Free Androgen 32.28 ratio

Oestrogen 18.4 pmol/L - LOW

Prolactin 345mU/L - HIGH

SHBG 30.3 nmol/L

Testosterone total 9.78 nmol/L - LOW

What is the way to get these hormones back to normal range ?
 
dobermann said:
Thanks for recent responds to my thread. Finally I got my BLOOD WORK done and here are my results after LONG-term SARMs cycle.

FSH 5.66 iu/L

LH 5.98 iu/L

Free Androgen 32.28 ratio

Oestrogen 18.4 pmol/L - LOW

Prolactin 345mU/L - HIGH

SHBG 30.3 nmol/L

Testosterone total 9.78 nmol/L - LOW

What is the way to get these hormones back to normal range ?
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Surprised that your titties aren't leaking.
 
What PCT would you go for ? I was on Tamox and Clomid, now I am just on Tamoxifen which is ending this week. All PCT took for about 4-5 weeks.
Today I went to see my GP regarding the results - he didnt even want to see them cos they have been done privately ??? Sent me on blood test for Thyroid and Heart Deseases instead. Cant believe it. Total ignorance. Plus I would never ever tell Doctors that I was ever on steroids. Because whatever problem you gonna have - they gonna blame them no matter how long you are off cycle.
Half of the HCGenerate indegredients are added in my supplements so no reason to buy it in this price with all due respect.
 
It just looks like you need more time for recovery. It takes your body a while to recover so don't start adding any SERMs or anything that will fuck with it. Just time.
 
Yeah...that's what I thought and hope for... Should get back to normal in time... Thank you for advice. In 1 month I will do another blood work how the things are changed.
 
I just read about Mucuna and found also Vitamin E so I bought both immediately. Thanks this info has helped me.. :eek:
 
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