Stagger SARMs cycles?

[mopoge]

Super SARMs n00b here...I'm training for a triathlon and looking to increase my endurance while shedding the extra hibernation weight. I'm kind of freaked out by all the PCT talk, so I'm looking at non-PCT SARMs-like PEDs like GW and SR9009.

Cardarine sounds like a natural fit for me. While there's no PCT required, I'm reading that I should take a break from after 8-12 weeks.

I've also read up on SR9009...sounds similar but slightly different. One part of me thinks that I might be throwing some money away by stacking it (immediately) rather than maybe holding off until I can increase my base endurance with GW. I'm thinking maybe 4 to 6 weeks in, start up SR9009 when my training is reaching its peak to really push hard.

Then, while my long distance training tapers and my GW cyle ends, I can still benefit from the enhanced cardio effects of SR9009. Does SR9009 require an off cycle as well?

I also have some paranoia about getting randomly drug-tested after/before my triathlon. I'm not fast by any means...just a middle of the pack age-grouper, but it seems like I'm reading more about non-elites being tested recently. I know Cardarine can be detected, but can SR9009? Am I being overly paranoid??

Thanks,

Mo

 

[muskate]

Cardarine is defiantly on the WADA list of banned substances. SR9009 is extremely new and might not be. I am not sure. If it isn't yet, it is just a matter of time before WADA catches on and adds it to the list.

SR9009 is kind of like cardarine's older brother. Stacking them wouldn't make much sense because they are very similar. What I would do is use cardarine gw for 8 weeks, then sr9009 for 8 weeks and then take a 4 week break. After the 4 week break you can repeat the cycle.

Make sure to order your SARMS from a reputable source such as sarms1.com because there are a lot of fake SARMS floating around.

 

[Jay Scott]

Cardarine is defiantly on the WADA list of banned substances. SR9009 is extremely new and might not be. I am not sure. If it isn't yet, it is just a matter of time before WADA catches on and adds it to the list.

SR9009 is kind of like cardarine's older brother. Stacking them wouldn't make much sense because they are very similar. What I would do is use cardarine gw for 8 weeks, then sr9009 for 8 weeks and then take a 4 week break. After the 4 week break you can repeat the cycle.

Make sure to order your SARMS from a reputable source such as sarms1.com because there are a lot of fake SARMS floating around.

Yup, sarms are indeed banned substances. However, for some reason I doubt they will be looking for them

 

[stevesmi]

I think you are on the right track.. both those compounds will improve endurance

 

[mopoge]

Thanks for the feedback everyone! Here's one of the places where I've seen a GW/SR9009 stack mentioned:

https://www.isarms.com/stenabolic-sr9009

"...the typical cycle length is 6-8 weeks, and it would be wise to stack SR9009 with Cardarine (GW-501516) for a double dose of endurance power."

There's also mention of stacking SR & GW here on the Evolutionary articles site.

Another question I had regarding SR9009 was I've seen mentioned that it has poor oral bioavailability. Does one need to inject to get good results or have oral methods been improved recently? Thanks!

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I would definitely stack them together. They are similar but work in different ways. I would first check and see who is doing the testing and what they test for. There is no injecting these products. GW is dosed 1-2 times per day while SR is dosed 5-6 times per day. The dosages are based on half lives.

 

[mopoge]

Thanks, Masonic. I did not want to inject and do not want to waste my money if they GW and SR are doing the same thing...there's so much contradictory info out there that makes it difficult for n00bs like me.

I think I'll experiment (safely) a bit and go with a staggered cyle routine:

- 8 weeks Cardarine, Ostarine, & S4
- Start SR9009 for 8 weeks on week 4

I'm hoping the above will give me a month of building up my endurance and then I can kick it into overdrive in week 4. The last 4 weeks as I taper down my training, I'll just be on SR.

Will I need a mini PCT with Osta & S4 even if I keep the dosages low?

 

[mopoge]

Thanks, Masonic! I do not want to inject anything and there's just so much contradictory info out there...makes it difficult for n00bs like me. Also don't want to waste my money if GW and SR pretty much do the same thing, but it sounds like they would complement each other.

I think I will experiment (safely) a bit. Here's what I think I'll go with for my training:

- 8 weeks of Cardarine with Ostarine and S4
- Start SR9009 at week 4 of the above

I think the above will give me a good month of getting my endurance built up and then kick it into overdrive with SR when my training ramps up with longer swims, bikes, and runs. As my training ramps down, I'll just be on SR and ready for the triathlon if all goes well.

Will I need to run a mini-PCT after 8 weeks of Osta+S4 even if I keep my dosages low? Thanks!

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

If you have Osta and S4 in your cycle I would run a mini PCT. At the very least a bottle of HCGenerate ES and clomid. I would love to see you log this cycle. I have had great endurance and fat loss results form SR and GW and would be interested to see how your staggered dosing protocol will work.

 

[mopoge]

Thanks, Masonic! Maybe not a daily log, but I should be able to document a weekly log here.

 

[lacedaemonian]

Hello Mo,

I'm trying to plan a GW cycle (first one) for long distance tris. I was wondering if you have kept a log or if you can share your experiences with SARMs.

Thanks