Tbol only. Feedback please

[chromexskull]

I have read so many mixed reviews about this so would love some feedback from you guys. I know some people say orals only is stupid and you always need test and others claim they have had good results from orals and especially Tbol. Please don't bash me with the needing to do injectable stuff, I get it and I have done it I am just thinking about giving this a go and have seen plenty of people enjoy it and claim they get some descent and maintainable gains.

Here is my deal, I used gear in my 20's multiple times. Did some basic Test/Deca/Dbol cycles. Recently after taking many years off I did a Test/Dbol cycle and now I am thinking about Tbol only.

I have Tbol on hand, I don't have any Test and honestly don't feel like ordering online right now. Here is what I am thinking and any advice is appreciated.

6-8 weeks of Tbol at 50mg per day. (6 or 8wks?)
Clomid the day after I end at 50mg per day (I have read with a mild cycle like this some people only do 2 weeks, would you recommend 2 or 4?)
NAC 1200mg every day throughout cycle.

Also was thinking about taking DAA to help with Test, I read a post about someone having success with this, what do you think?

No problems in the bedroom with this correct? I have read libido is good and no erection issues especially if only done 6-8wks.

34yrs old, 195lbs, 5'10

 

[MikeSnow]

The reason people like tbol with test is because tbol has SHBG benefits, by itself it will do little to nothing to increase total T levels.. Yes you can do this little cycle but don't expect much at all man. Tbol is still a steroid it will shut you down still, I would run at least clomid/nolva for at least 4 weeks and get bloods done to confirm a proper recovery..

DAA by itself doesn't really do shit and will not act as a test base whatsoever on cycle. It might limit suppression like 1-3% if anything, but you are probably better off using it in PCT, either way not a strong supplement. You could run HcGenerate alongside the tbol to help minimize shut down.

I am saying you can do this little cycle, but it seems like a waste of being shut down to me. However if you do, Tbol can be ran 8 weeks no problem and at a higher dose than you may think. If you want 6 weeks I'd go 80mg/day, for 8 weeks 60mg/week. These are just from my experiences with Tbol, good luck

 

[chromexskull]

The reason people like tbol with test is because tbol has SHBG benefits, by itself it will do little to nothing to increase total T levels.. Yes you can do this little cycle but don't expect much at all man. Tbol is still a steroid it will shut you down still, I would run at least clomid/nolva for at least 4 weeks and get bloods done to confirm a proper recovery..

DAA by itself doesn't really do shit and will not act as a test base whatsoever on cycle. It might limit suppression like 1-3% if anything, but you are probably better off using it in PCT, either way not a strong supplement. You could run HcGenerate alongside the tbol to help minimize shut down.

I am saying you can do this little cycle, but it seems like a waste of being shut down to me. However if you do, Tbol can be ran 8 weeks no problem and at a higher dose than you may think. If you want 6 weeks I'd go 80mg/day, for 8 weeks 60mg/week. These are just from my experiences with Tbol, good luck

Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it. Anyone else.

Funny you mention HCGenerate because I forgot to mention I was considering that. You recommend that on cycle or just PCT?

 

[LevButlerov]

In theory you could take Tbol alone, but the would be little practicality to this. Therefore, it is very advisable to run it in conjunction with testosterone. Also, make sure to use a very good liver support, such as N2Guard. And finally, yes - you can use HCGenerate throughout the entire cycle and PCT.

 

[aaron.kennedy.1217]

Tbol without test isn't going to give you half the gains you would get with test. That being said of course you could do this but remember that tbol is a steroid and you will definitely be shutdown after 6 weeks. Some just wouldnt consider it worth it for 6 weeks of tbol gains. Don't forget about the possible liver strain as well.

 

[stevesmi]

Tbol should be stacked for best benefits

doesn't have to be with test as most would tell you though.. stack it with something androgenic

 

[chromexskull]

Thank you for all the feedback, I am still considering this and 50/50 on it right now. Like I said I have used injectables but I have this on hand and have read some good things so we will see. Pretty much I have read if your going to do oral only do this or Anavar.

I also have 300 blue heart dbol left over from a previous Test cycle but I assume that would be dumb to stack with this.

I do have a new girlfriend, no sexual issues if I do this correct?

Also do any of you guys have any personal experience with something like this?

 

[muskate]

Thank you for all the feedback, I am still considering this and 50/50 on it right now. Like I said I have used injectables but I have this on hand and have read some good things so we will see. Pretty much I have read if your going to do oral only do this or Anavar.

I also have 300 blue heart dbol left over from a previous Test cycle but I assume that would be dumb to stack with this.

I do have a new girlfriend, no sexual issues if I do this correct?

Also do any of you guys have any personal experience with something like this?

I personally would wait on using the tbol until you have a testosterone base available but if you want to do a quick 6-8 week cycle, this is how I would put it together

Weeks 1 - 6
Tbol 60mg/day
N2guard from n2bm.com 7 capsules/day
Aromasin 12.5mg e3d

After your cycle run a mini pct. 4 weeks of the following:
Clomid 25mg/day
Nolvadex 20mg/day
Hcgenerate Es 5 capsules/day
N2guard 3 capsules/day

Oral steroids are very liver toxic. You need a stronger liver aid with your cycle and for afterwards.

You should have no libido issues post cycle if you run a full mini pct like I have outlined.

 

[aaron.kennedy.1217]

I wouldn't risk it with the libido. If run proviron alongside if not hcgenrate at least on cycle

 

[curiobig]

Go ahead and try it all by itself and then you'll know. Tbol is just not going to give you anything by itself. At the very least run a SARMS Triple Stack with it if your goal is to not inject. Run the modified Triple Stack (LGD, Ostarine, Cardarine). LGD lowers SHBG and will help the Tbol be more effective.

 

[chromexskull]

Is NAC enough for something this or N2Guard recommended?

Also like I mentioned new girlfriend so there should be no erection issues during cycle correct? And yes of course I will do proper PCT. I know Muskate said no libido issues post cycle with proper PCT but what about cycle?

Thanks, still going back and forth on this but might give it a 6-8wk run

 

[aaron.kennedy.1217]

Once your natural test is shutdown you risk libido issues no matter what.

 

[aaron.kennedy.1217]

Cialis or proviron is best bet.