Approved Log Testosterone, Primobolan, Anavar First Cycle Log

[vitachain]

Hey everyone I am getting ready to start my first cycle. 41 years old, male. While I was doing my research I came across this forum and began listening to the podcast on my daily drives to and from work. I really like the show, hosts, and guests. Everyone sounds like they want to be helpful without degrading newbies which is what really brought me to seek advice here. So I’ll try to not be a total noob here and provide as much information as possible so there is some background information.



I have been in the military for the past 20 years so working out has always been a part of my adult life, but I never really took it that seriously because of heavy drinking, but I always kept in a shape. I finally got my shit together a couple years ago and have been sober since. I have a decent base, but now I feel like I am locked in and ready to make some real progress.



My goal is to cut a little bit more fat, build muscle, and get stronger. I’d like to put on about 10lbs of muscle for my first cycle. I started on reta a couple months ago and have lost about 30lbs from 190ish to 164 lbs was my latest weigh in. I would say I am about 18% body fat, using the height/weight, neck waist measurement the Army used to use.



I workout almost daily, 6 days minimum. My routine is back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders and I do a couple ab exercises about every other day, cable crunches, planks, and a few others. This has been my routine for the past few years. I mostly stick to this, but some days I will just “wing it.” I still put in a good amount of work on these days, but it is mostly to break up doing the same thing every day. My routine could probably use some work, but it has been working for me. Since I have been on reta I have lost some strength, but I was expecting that being in a calorie deficit. I also run. Once the weather starts to warm up I’ll put in about 15-30 miles weekly. Being able to run is important to me as it is a hobby my significant other and I do together. I plan on doing a half marathon later this year.



My diet is shit. This 100% needs improvement. Pre workout I will usually have a banana or package of oatmeal, a high stim preworkout supplement. Post workout is a double serving protein shake. Lunch is hit or miss if I actually eat or not. If I do it’ll be a protein from the night before either a porkchop, chicken, or beef and a side. Supper is a protein and a easy side to make, usually some kind of potato. I eat out very rarely, but I do have a sweet tooth a like my ice cream, but I have been trying to opt for a protein version ice cream and mix with the ninja creami. I plan on dialing this in with food prepping, I have all the stuff for it. It is just a matter of putting a plan in place. I know dialing nutrition in is the most important part of the process of putting on weight. Part of the plan is to cut the reta back to 3mg to help with the appetite.



Are you still with me?



The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg 3x a week, preworkout powder is (high stim maniaco, legit pre, or el jefe), 10mg creatine, fish oil and multivitamin.



In preparation for this I got my blood taken today, but in September, 5 months ago, I had it done from my primary care provider. It all came back within the acceptable ranges, basically middle of the road on every test. CBC, CMP, test free/total, TSH were the tests that were ran. My total test was 714, free test 136, and sex hormone binding globulin was 41.2. Not sure if that last one matters or not.



My plan is to do test c and primo for 10-12 weeks with anavar on workout days, which is normally daily. I have Nolvadex on hand for PCT and Armosin for an AI if needed. I plan to dose twice a week at 150-200mg each. I am wanting to start out slow to see how I respond to the compounds, but 150 weekly is a TRT dose from what I have read. I have seen recommendations to do anywhere from 200-500mg test and 600-800 for primo. I think that is a huge dose for a beginner.



PCT will be Nolvadex 40mg daily for the first two weeks and then 20mg daily for weeks 3 and 4. I was told that a PCT wouldn’t be needed and I should just blast and cruise, I am not sure that is the best advice.



Is this a decent plan or am I totally off base here? Any input would be very much appreciated.

 

[Oh Snap]

4 MG of reta a week?Do you eat much my bro?Thats alot of reta for your lean build but thats just my opinion.I take 2mg and my appetite is gone

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey everyone I am getting ready to start my first cycle. 41 years old, male. While I was doing my research I came across this forum and began listening to the podcast on my daily drives to and from work. I really like the show, hosts, and guests. Everyone sounds like they want to be helpful without degrading newbies which is what really brought me to seek advice here. So I’ll try to not be a total noob here and provide as much information as possible so there is some background information.



I have been in the military for the past 20 years so working out has always been a part of my adult life, but I never really took it that seriously because of heavy drinking, but I always kept in a shape. I finally got my shit together a couple years ago and have been sober since. I have a decent base, but now I feel like I am locked in and ready to make some real progress.



My goal is to cut a little bit more fat, build muscle, and get stronger. I’d like to put on about 10lbs of muscle for my first cycle. I started on reta a couple months ago and have lost about 30lbs from 190ish to 164 lbs was my latest weigh in. I would say I am about 18% body fat, using the height/weight, neck waist measurement the Army used to use.



I workout almost daily, 6 days minimum. My routine is back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders and I do a couple ab exercises about every other day, cable crunches, planks, and a few others. This has been my routine for the past few years. I mostly stick to this, but some days I will just “wing it.” I still put in a good amount of work on these days, but it is mostly to break up doing the same thing every day. My routine could probably use some work, but it has been working for me. Since I have been on reta I have lost some strength, but I was expecting that being in a calorie deficit. I also run. Once the weather starts to warm up I’ll put in about 15-30 miles weekly. Being able to run is important to me as it is a hobby my significant other and I do together. I plan on doing a half marathon later this year.



My diet is shit. This 100% needs improvement. Pre workout I will usually have a banana or package of oatmeal, a high stim preworkout supplement. Post workout is a double serving protein shake. Lunch is hit or miss if I actually eat or not. If I do it’ll be a protein from the night before either a porkchop, chicken, or beef and a side. Supper is a protein and a easy side to make, usually some kind of potato. I eat out very rarely, but I do have a sweet tooth a like my ice cream, but I have been trying to opt for a protein version ice cream and mix with the ninja creami. I plan on dialing this in with food prepping, I have all the stuff for it. It is just a matter of putting a plan in place. I know dialing nutrition in is the most important part of the process of putting on weight. Part of the plan is to cut the reta back to 3mg to help with the appetite.



Are you still with me?



The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg 3x a week, preworkout powder is (high stim maniaco, legit pre, or el jefe), 10mg creatine, fish oil and multivitamin.



In preparation for this I got my blood taken today, but in September, 5 months ago, I had it done from my primary care provider. It all came back within the acceptable ranges, basically middle of the road on every test. CBC, CMP, test free/total, TSH were the tests that were ran. My total test was 714, free test 136, and sex hormone binding globulin was 41.2. Not sure if that last one matters or not.



My plan is to do test c and primo for 10-12 weeks with anavar on workout days, which is normally daily. I have Nolvadex on hand for PCT and Armosin for an AI if needed. I plan to dose twice a week at 150-200mg each. I am wanting to start out slow to see how I respond to the compounds, but 150 weekly is a TRT dose from what I have read. I have seen recommendations to do anywhere from 200-500mg test and 600-800 for primo. I think that is a huge dose for a beginner.



PCT will be Nolvadex 40mg daily for the first two weeks and then 20mg daily for weeks 3 and 4. I was told that a PCT wouldn’t be needed and I should just blast and cruise, I am not sure that is the best advice.



Is this a decent plan or am I totally off base here? Any input would be very much appreciated.

welcome to the EVO family @vitachain you have a good base in the pics, good muscle bellies

We transformed this into your log so we can help dial you in.

I think first cycle test/primo/anavar is fine but retatrutide lets get with easy 2mgs/weekly dose.

Cycle itself
300mgs testosterone
100mgs primobolan
10mgs anavar preworkout
7caps n2guard ed

But before we start your cycle, we need to have you dial in training diet in this log fully, start updating us this whole week with details and start listening to the podcast.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

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[stevesmi]

Hey everyone I am getting ready to start my first cycle. 41 years old, male. While I was doing my research I came across this forum and began listening to the podcast on my daily drives to and from work. I really like the show, hosts, and guests. Everyone sounds like they want to be helpful without degrading newbies which is what really brought me to seek advice here. So I’ll try to not be a total noob here and provide as much information as possible so there is some background information.



I have been in the military for the past 20 years so working out has always been a part of my adult life, but I never really took it that seriously because of heavy drinking, but I always kept in a shape. I finally got my shit together a couple years ago and have been sober since. I have a decent base, but now I feel like I am locked in and ready to make some real progress.



My goal is to cut a little bit more fat, build muscle, and get stronger. I’d like to put on about 10lbs of muscle for my first cycle. I started on reta a couple months ago and have lost about 30lbs from 190ish to 164 lbs was my latest weigh in. I would say I am about 18% body fat, using the height/weight, neck waist measurement the Army used to use.



I workout almost daily, 6 days minimum. My routine is back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders and I do a couple ab exercises about every other day, cable crunches, planks, and a few others. This has been my routine for the past few years. I mostly stick to this, but some days I will just “wing it.” I still put in a good amount of work on these days, but it is mostly to break up doing the same thing every day. My routine could probably use some work, but it has been working for me. Since I have been on reta I have lost some strength, but I was expecting that being in a calorie deficit. I also run. Once the weather starts to warm up I’ll put in about 15-30 miles weekly. Being able to run is important to me as it is a hobby my significant other and I do together. I plan on doing a half marathon later this year.



My diet is shit. This 100% needs improvement. Pre workout I will usually have a banana or package of oatmeal, a high stim preworkout supplement. Post workout is a double serving protein shake. Lunch is hit or miss if I actually eat or not. If I do it’ll be a protein from the night before either a porkchop, chicken, or beef and a side. Supper is a protein and a easy side to make, usually some kind of potato. I eat out very rarely, but I do have a sweet tooth a like my ice cream, but I have been trying to opt for a protein version ice cream and mix with the ninja creami. I plan on dialing this in with food prepping, I have all the stuff for it. It is just a matter of putting a plan in place. I know dialing nutrition in is the most important part of the process of putting on weight. Part of the plan is to cut the reta back to 3mg to help with the appetite.



Are you still with me?



The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg 3x a week, preworkout powder is (high stim maniaco, legit pre, or el jefe), 10mg creatine, fish oil and multivitamin.



In preparation for this I got my blood taken today, but in September, 5 months ago, I had it done from my primary care provider. It all came back within the acceptable ranges, basically middle of the road on every test. CBC, CMP, test free/total, TSH were the tests that were ran. My total test was 714, free test 136, and sex hormone binding globulin was 41.2. Not sure if that last one matters or not.



My plan is to do test c and primo for 10-12 weeks with anavar on workout days, which is normally daily. I have Nolvadex on hand for PCT and Armosin for an AI if needed. I plan to dose twice a week at 150-200mg each. I am wanting to start out slow to see how I respond to the compounds, but 150 weekly is a TRT dose from what I have read. I have seen recommendations to do anywhere from 200-500mg test and 600-800 for primo. I think that is a huge dose for a beginner.



PCT will be Nolvadex 40mg daily for the first two weeks and then 20mg daily for weeks 3 and 4. I was told that a PCT wouldn’t be needed and I should just blast and cruise, I am not sure that is the best advice.



Is this a decent plan or am I totally off base here? Any input would be very much appreciated.

@vitachain I think with primo, giving it 12 weeks is a really good decision instead of 10 weeks. It just depends on how you react to it though, in terms of the dosing.

 

[ceo]

Hey everyone I am getting ready to start my first cycle. 41 years old, male. While I was doing my research I came across this forum and began listening to the podcast on my daily drives to and from work. I really like the show, hosts, and guests. Everyone sounds like they want to be helpful without degrading newbies which is what really brought me to seek advice here. So I’ll try to not be a total noob here and provide as much information as possible so there is some background information.



I have been in the military for the past 20 years so working out has always been a part of my adult life, but I never really took it that seriously because of heavy drinking, but I always kept in a shape. I finally got my shit together a couple years ago and have been sober since. I have a decent base, but now I feel like I am locked in and ready to make some real progress.



My goal is to cut a little bit more fat, build muscle, and get stronger. I’d like to put on about 10lbs of muscle for my first cycle. I started on reta a couple months ago and have lost about 30lbs from 190ish to 164 lbs was my latest weigh in. I would say I am about 18% body fat, using the height/weight, neck waist measurement the Army used to use.



I workout almost daily, 6 days minimum. My routine is back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders and I do a couple ab exercises about every other day, cable crunches, planks, and a few others. This has been my routine for the past few years. I mostly stick to this, but some days I will just “wing it.” I still put in a good amount of work on these days, but it is mostly to break up doing the same thing every day. My routine could probably use some work, but it has been working for me. Since I have been on reta I have lost some strength, but I was expecting that being in a calorie deficit. I also run. Once the weather starts to warm up I’ll put in about 15-30 miles weekly. Being able to run is important to me as it is a hobby my significant other and I do together. I plan on doing a half marathon later this year.



My diet is shit. This 100% needs improvement. Pre workout I will usually have a banana or package of oatmeal, a high stim preworkout supplement. Post workout is a double serving protein shake. Lunch is hit or miss if I actually eat or not. If I do it’ll be a protein from the night before either a porkchop, chicken, or beef and a side. Supper is a protein and a easy side to make, usually some kind of potato. I eat out very rarely, but I do have a sweet tooth a like my ice cream, but I have been trying to opt for a protein version ice cream and mix with the ninja creami. I plan on dialing this in with food prepping, I have all the stuff for it. It is just a matter of putting a plan in place. I know dialing nutrition in is the most important part of the process of putting on weight. Part of the plan is to cut the reta back to 3mg to help with the appetite.



Are you still with me?



The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg 3x a week, preworkout powder is (high stim maniaco, legit pre, or el jefe), 10mg creatine, fish oil and multivitamin.



In preparation for this I got my blood taken today, but in September, 5 months ago, I had it done from my primary care provider. It all came back within the acceptable ranges, basically middle of the road on every test. CBC, CMP, test free/total, TSH were the tests that were ran. My total test was 714, free test 136, and sex hormone binding globulin was 41.2. Not sure if that last one matters or not.



My plan is to do test c and primo for 10-12 weeks with anavar on workout days, which is normally daily. I have Nolvadex on hand for PCT and Armosin for an AI if needed. I plan to dose twice a week at 150-200mg each. I am wanting to start out slow to see how I respond to the compounds, but 150 weekly is a TRT dose from what I have read. I have seen recommendations to do anywhere from 200-500mg test and 600-800 for primo. I think that is a huge dose for a beginner.



PCT will be Nolvadex 40mg daily for the first two weeks and then 20mg daily for weeks 3 and 4. I was told that a PCT wouldn’t be needed and I should just blast and cruise, I am not sure that is the best advice.



Is this a decent plan or am I totally off base here? Any input would be very much appreciated.

Bros, you definitely need to improve the diet. That's going to be very important. You don't want to leave anything on the table and it starts with meal prep. @vitachain

 

[Ulter]

Hey everyone I am getting ready to start my first cycle. 41 years old, male. While I was doing my research I came across this forum and began listening to the podcast on my daily drives to and from work. I really like the show, hosts, and guests. Everyone sounds like they want to be helpful without degrading newbies which is what really brought me to seek advice here. So I’ll try to not be a total noob here and provide as much information as possible so there is some background information.



I have been in the military for the past 20 years so working out has always been a part of my adult life, but I never really took it that seriously because of heavy drinking, but I always kept in a shape. I finally got my shit together a couple years ago and have been sober since. I have a decent base, but now I feel like I am locked in and ready to make some real progress.



My goal is to cut a little bit more fat, build muscle, and get stronger. I’d like to put on about 10lbs of muscle for my first cycle. I started on reta a couple months ago and have lost about 30lbs from 190ish to 164 lbs was my latest weigh in. I would say I am about 18% body fat, using the height/weight, neck waist measurement the Army used to use.



I workout almost daily, 6 days minimum. My routine is back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders and I do a couple ab exercises about every other day, cable crunches, planks, and a few others. This has been my routine for the past few years. I mostly stick to this, but some days I will just “wing it.” I still put in a good amount of work on these days, but it is mostly to break up doing the same thing every day. My routine could probably use some work, but it has been working for me. Since I have been on reta I have lost some strength, but I was expecting that being in a calorie deficit. I also run. Once the weather starts to warm up I’ll put in about 15-30 miles weekly. Being able to run is important to me as it is a hobby my significant other and I do together. I plan on doing a half marathon later this year.



My diet is shit. This 100% needs improvement. Pre workout I will usually have a banana or package of oatmeal, a high stim preworkout supplement. Post workout is a double serving protein shake. Lunch is hit or miss if I actually eat or not. If I do it’ll be a protein from the night before either a porkchop, chicken, or beef and a side. Supper is a protein and a easy side to make, usually some kind of potato. I eat out very rarely, but I do have a sweet tooth a like my ice cream, but I have been trying to opt for a protein version ice cream and mix with the ninja creami. I plan on dialing this in with food prepping, I have all the stuff for it. It is just a matter of putting a plan in place. I know dialing nutrition in is the most important part of the process of putting on weight. Part of the plan is to cut the reta back to 3mg to help with the appetite.



Are you still with me?



The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg 3x a week, preworkout powder is (high stim maniaco, legit pre, or el jefe), 10mg creatine, fish oil and multivitamin.



In preparation for this I got my blood taken today, but in September, 5 months ago, I had it done from my primary care provider. It all came back within the acceptable ranges, basically middle of the road on every test. CBC, CMP, test free/total, TSH were the tests that were ran. My total test was 714, free test 136, and sex hormone binding globulin was 41.2. Not sure if that last one matters or not.



My plan is to do test c and primo for 10-12 weeks with anavar on workout days, which is normally daily. I have Nolvadex on hand for PCT and Armosin for an AI if needed. I plan to dose twice a week at 150-200mg each. I am wanting to start out slow to see how I respond to the compounds, but 150 weekly is a TRT dose from what I have read. I have seen recommendations to do anywhere from 200-500mg test and 600-800 for primo. I think that is a huge dose for a beginner.



PCT will be Nolvadex 40mg daily for the first two weeks and then 20mg daily for weeks 3 and 4. I was told that a PCT wouldn’t be needed and I should just blast and cruise, I am not sure that is the best advice.



Is this a decent plan or am I totally off base here? Any input would be very much appreciated.

Wow testosterone levels look really strong to me. Those are some good numbers for someone who is natural. @vitachain just make sure you don't screw that up. Make sure you're taking time in between cycles.

 

[2Thick]

Hey everyone I am getting ready to start my first cycle. 41 years old, male. While I was doing my research I came across this forum and began listening to the podcast on my daily drives to and from work. I really like the show, hosts, and guests. Everyone sounds like they want to be helpful without degrading newbies which is what really brought me to seek advice here. So I’ll try to not be a total noob here and provide as much information as possible so there is some background information.



I have been in the military for the past 20 years so working out has always been a part of my adult life, but I never really took it that seriously because of heavy drinking, but I always kept in a shape. I finally got my shit together a couple years ago and have been sober since. I have a decent base, but now I feel like I am locked in and ready to make some real progress.



My goal is to cut a little bit more fat, build muscle, and get stronger. I’d like to put on about 10lbs of muscle for my first cycle. I started on reta a couple months ago and have lost about 30lbs from 190ish to 164 lbs was my latest weigh in. I would say I am about 18% body fat, using the height/weight, neck waist measurement the Army used to use.



I workout almost daily, 6 days minimum. My routine is back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders and I do a couple ab exercises about every other day, cable crunches, planks, and a few others. This has been my routine for the past few years. I mostly stick to this, but some days I will just “wing it.” I still put in a good amount of work on these days, but it is mostly to break up doing the same thing every day. My routine could probably use some work, but it has been working for me. Since I have been on reta I have lost some strength, but I was expecting that being in a calorie deficit. I also run. Once the weather starts to warm up I’ll put in about 15-30 miles weekly. Being able to run is important to me as it is a hobby my significant other and I do together. I plan on doing a half marathon later this year.



My diet is shit. This 100% needs improvement. Pre workout I will usually have a banana or package of oatmeal, a high stim preworkout supplement. Post workout is a double serving protein shake. Lunch is hit or miss if I actually eat or not. If I do it’ll be a protein from the night before either a porkchop, chicken, or beef and a side. Supper is a protein and a easy side to make, usually some kind of potato. I eat out very rarely, but I do have a sweet tooth a like my ice cream, but I have been trying to opt for a protein version ice cream and mix with the ninja creami. I plan on dialing this in with food prepping, I have all the stuff for it. It is just a matter of putting a plan in place. I know dialing nutrition in is the most important part of the process of putting on weight. Part of the plan is to cut the reta back to 3mg to help with the appetite.



Are you still with me?



The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg 3x a week, preworkout powder is (high stim maniaco, legit pre, or el jefe), 10mg creatine, fish oil and multivitamin.



In preparation for this I got my blood taken today, but in September, 5 months ago, I had it done from my primary care provider. It all came back within the acceptable ranges, basically middle of the road on every test. CBC, CMP, test free/total, TSH were the tests that were ran. My total test was 714, free test 136, and sex hormone binding globulin was 41.2. Not sure if that last one matters or not.



My plan is to do test c and primo for 10-12 weeks with anavar on workout days, which is normally daily. I have Nolvadex on hand for PCT and Armosin for an AI if needed. I plan to dose twice a week at 150-200mg each. I am wanting to start out slow to see how I respond to the compounds, but 150 weekly is a TRT dose from what I have read. I have seen recommendations to do anywhere from 200-500mg test and 600-800 for primo. I think that is a huge dose for a beginner.



PCT will be Nolvadex 40mg daily for the first two weeks and then 20mg daily for weeks 3 and 4. I was told that a PCT wouldn’t be needed and I should just blast and cruise, I am not sure that is the best advice.



Is this a decent plan or am I totally off base here? Any input would be very much appreciated.

@vitachain my advice is if it tastes like ice cream then it's not going to be good for you so forget it. Just food prep and make sure you stick to high quality foods and you'll go far.

 

[Mobster]

You'll get the support you need here. One point: The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg. These aren't supps. The rest are

 

[ballin2504]

Hey everyone I am getting ready to start my first cycle. 41 years old, male. While I was doing my research I came across this forum and began listening to the podcast on my daily drives to and from work. I really like the show, hosts, and guests. Everyone sounds like they want to be helpful without degrading newbies which is what really brought me to seek advice here. So I’ll try to not be a total noob here and provide as much information as possible so there is some background information.



I have been in the military for the past 20 years so working out has always been a part of my adult life, but I never really took it that seriously because of heavy drinking, but I always kept in a shape. I finally got my shit together a couple years ago and have been sober since. I have a decent base, but now I feel like I am locked in and ready to make some real progress.



My goal is to cut a little bit more fat, build muscle, and get stronger. I’d like to put on about 10lbs of muscle for my first cycle. I started on reta a couple months ago and have lost about 30lbs from 190ish to 164 lbs was my latest weigh in. I would say I am about 18% body fat, using the height/weight, neck waist measurement the Army used to use.



I workout almost daily, 6 days minimum. My routine is back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders and I do a couple ab exercises about every other day, cable crunches, planks, and a few others. This has been my routine for the past few years. I mostly stick to this, but some days I will just “wing it.” I still put in a good amount of work on these days, but it is mostly to break up doing the same thing every day. My routine could probably use some work, but it has been working for me. Since I have been on reta I have lost some strength, but I was expecting that being in a calorie deficit. I also run. Once the weather starts to warm up I’ll put in about 15-30 miles weekly. Being able to run is important to me as it is a hobby my significant other and I do together. I plan on doing a half marathon later this year.



My diet is shit. This 100% needs improvement. Pre workout I will usually have a banana or package of oatmeal, a high stim preworkout supplement. Post workout is a double serving protein shake. Lunch is hit or miss if I actually eat or not. If I do it’ll be a protein from the night before either a porkchop, chicken, or beef and a side. Supper is a protein and a easy side to make, usually some kind of potato. I eat out very rarely, but I do have a sweet tooth a like my ice cream, but I have been trying to opt for a protein version ice cream and mix with the ninja creami. I plan on dialing this in with food prepping, I have all the stuff for it. It is just a matter of putting a plan in place. I know dialing nutrition in is the most important part of the process of putting on weight. Part of the plan is to cut the reta back to 3mg to help with the appetite.



Are you still with me?



The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg 3x a week, preworkout powder is (high stim maniaco, legit pre, or el jefe), 10mg creatine, fish oil and multivitamin.



In preparation for this I got my blood taken today, but in September, 5 months ago, I had it done from my primary care provider. It all came back within the acceptable ranges, basically middle of the road on every test. CBC, CMP, test free/total, TSH were the tests that were ran. My total test was 714, free test 136, and sex hormone binding globulin was 41.2. Not sure if that last one matters or not.



My plan is to do test c and primo for 10-12 weeks with anavar on workout days, which is normally daily. I have Nolvadex on hand for PCT and Armosin for an AI if needed. I plan to dose twice a week at 150-200mg each. I am wanting to start out slow to see how I respond to the compounds, but 150 weekly is a TRT dose from what I have read. I have seen recommendations to do anywhere from 200-500mg test and 600-800 for primo. I think that is a huge dose for a beginner.



PCT will be Nolvadex 40mg daily for the first two weeks and then 20mg daily for weeks 3 and 4. I was told that a PCT wouldn’t be needed and I should just blast and cruise, I am not sure that is the best advice.



Is this a decent plan or am I totally off base here? Any input would be very much appreciated.

@vitachain nice start to the log and welcome to the forum. We are glad to have you here!

 

[vitachain]

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome, it is very much appreciated.

welcome to the EVO family @vitachain you have a good base in the pics, good muscle bellies

We transformed this into your log so we can help dial you in.

I think first cycle test/primo/anavar is fine but retatrutide lets get with easy 2mgs/weekly dose.

Cycle itself
300mgs testosterone
100mgs primobolan
10mgs anavar preworkout
7caps n2guard ed

But before we start your cycle, we need to have you dial in training diet in this log fully, start updating us this whole week with details and start listening to the podcast.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

Reta will for sure be tapered down this week, Thursday is my dose day for that. For the cycle I am thinking of pinning lower dose EOD

Looking into the diet for past couple days. Yesterday I started with my normal bowl of oatmeal preworkout, post workout was a 3 scoop protein shake, lunch I had a left over chicken cordon blu, dinner I had about 1/4-1/2 lb ground chicken with taco seasoning and chips. Today was Oatmeal pre workout, protein shake post workout, I got a late start today so protein shake doubled as lunch. Dinner was pressure cooker chicken breast, corn, black beans, and salsa all cooked together with brown rice mixed in for carbs. This will be my meals for the next few day.

Workout yesterday was chest and triceps, today was back and biceps. I am using the hevy app to track and log my workouts, the app makes it pretty easy to input metrics.

As for cardio, it is normally done on my lunch break, I will run for atleast 2 miles at 9-10 minute pace. It is cold here so I only run when the weather is decent. If I do cardio at the gym it is either the rower or stationary bike for 20 minutes.

The only supplements I take are a fish oil and multivitamin. The n2guarded is ordered.

Bros, you definitely need to improve the diet. That's going to be very important. You don't want to leave anything on the table and it starts with meal prep. @vitachain

For sure. I have to get that locked down, that is my biggest hang up. Really sticking to structured plans is my issue.

Wow testosterone levels look really strong to me. Those are some good numbers for someone who is natural. @vitachain just make sure you don't screw that up. Make sure you're taking time in between cycles.

It was mid 500s on the test I had Friday. Once I get all the results back I'll post them.

I have seen recommendations for quite a few places for blood draw. My issue is that live in small town Indiana with the closest lab 2 hours away. Labcorp is the closest lab that I have found to order blood work from. I am wanting to go ahead and look forward to another test in about 4-5 weeks to see where everything is shaking out at. I keep seeing anabolic insights popping up. Would the cycle checkup panel get everything needed? It has hs-CRP, GGT, insulin, Estradiol ultra sensitive, LC/MS, hemoglobin a1c, lipid, eGFR, and Apoliprotein B. It don't look like it is doing any tests for testosterone, which I think should be added. Is anyone else in the same boat as me being geographically limited to labcorp labs and recommend a good ordering service/panel?

 

[LevButlerov]

Reta will for sure be tapered down this week, Thursday is my dose day for that. For the cycle I am thinking of pinning lower dose EOD

Looking into the diet for past couple days. Yesterday I started with my normal bowl of oatmeal preworkout, post workout was a 3 scoop protein shake, lunch I had a left over chicken cordon blu, dinner I had about 1/4-1/2 lb ground chicken with taco seasoning and chips. Today was Oatmeal pre workout, protein shake post workout, I got a late start today so protein shake doubled as lunch. Dinner was pressure cooker chicken breast, corn, black beans, and salsa all cooked together with brown rice mixed in for carbs. This will be my meals for the next few day.

Workout yesterday was chest and triceps, today was back and biceps. I am using the hevy app to track and log my workouts, the app makes it pretty easy to input metrics.

As for cardio, it is normally done on my lunch break, I will run for atleast 2 miles at 9-10 minute pace. It is cold here so I only run when the weather is decent. If I do cardio at the gym it is either the rower or stationary bike for 20 minutes.

The only supplements I take are a fish oil and multivitamin. The n2guarded is ordered.

awesome I want to see how you do on less retatrutide @vitachain and get the app pics as you get the meals into the app please so we can see macros

 

[RoySimpson]

Hey everyone I am getting ready to start my first cycle. 41 years old, male. While I was doing my research I came across this forum and began listening to the podcast on my daily drives to and from work. I really like the show, hosts, and guests. Everyone sounds like they want to be helpful without degrading newbies which is what really brought me to seek advice here. So I’ll try to not be a total noob here and provide as much information as possible so there is some background information.



I have been in the military for the past 20 years so working out has always been a part of my adult life, but I never really took it that seriously because of heavy drinking, but I always kept in a shape. I finally got my shit together a couple years ago and have been sober since. I have a decent base, but now I feel like I am locked in and ready to make some real progress.



My goal is to cut a little bit more fat, build muscle, and get stronger. I’d like to put on about 10lbs of muscle for my first cycle. I started on reta a couple months ago and have lost about 30lbs from 190ish to 164 lbs was my latest weigh in. I would say I am about 18% body fat, using the height/weight, neck waist measurement the Army used to use.



I workout almost daily, 6 days minimum. My routine is back/bi, chest/tri, legs/shoulders and I do a couple ab exercises about every other day, cable crunches, planks, and a few others. This has been my routine for the past few years. I mostly stick to this, but some days I will just “wing it.” I still put in a good amount of work on these days, but it is mostly to break up doing the same thing every day. My routine could probably use some work, but it has been working for me. Since I have been on reta I have lost some strength, but I was expecting that being in a calorie deficit. I also run. Once the weather starts to warm up I’ll put in about 15-30 miles weekly. Being able to run is important to me as it is a hobby my significant other and I do together. I plan on doing a half marathon later this year.



My diet is shit. This 100% needs improvement. Pre workout I will usually have a banana or package of oatmeal, a high stim preworkout supplement. Post workout is a double serving protein shake. Lunch is hit or miss if I actually eat or not. If I do it’ll be a protein from the night before either a porkchop, chicken, or beef and a side. Supper is a protein and a easy side to make, usually some kind of potato. I eat out very rarely, but I do have a sweet tooth a like my ice cream, but I have been trying to opt for a protein version ice cream and mix with the ninja creami. I plan on dialing this in with food prepping, I have all the stuff for it. It is just a matter of putting a plan in place. I know dialing nutrition in is the most important part of the process of putting on weight. Part of the plan is to cut the reta back to 3mg to help with the appetite.



Are you still with me?



The supplements I am on is 4mg weekly reta, 5amino 5mg, and motsc 1mg 3x a week, preworkout powder is (high stim maniaco, legit pre, or el jefe), 10mg creatine, fish oil and multivitamin.



In preparation for this I got my blood taken today, but in September, 5 months ago, I had it done from my primary care provider. It all came back within the acceptable ranges, basically middle of the road on every test. CBC, CMP, test free/total, TSH were the tests that were ran. My total test was 714, free test 136, and sex hormone binding globulin was 41.2. Not sure if that last one matters or not.



My plan is to do test c and primo for 10-12 weeks with anavar on workout days, which is normally daily. I have Nolvadex on hand for PCT and Armosin for an AI if needed. I plan to dose twice a week at 150-200mg each. I am wanting to start out slow to see how I respond to the compounds, but 150 weekly is a TRT dose from what I have read. I have seen recommendations to do anywhere from 200-500mg test and 600-800 for primo. I think that is a huge dose for a beginner.



PCT will be Nolvadex 40mg daily for the first two weeks and then 20mg daily for weeks 3 and 4. I was told that a PCT wouldn’t be needed and I should just blast and cruise, I am not sure that is the best advice.



Is this a decent plan or am I totally off base here? Any input would be very much appreciated.

@vitachain Welcome to the forums bro! Keep it going coming.

 

[Ulter]

It was mid 500s on the test I had Friday. Once I get all the results back I'll post them.

I have seen recommendations for quite a few places for blood draw. My issue is that live in small town Indiana with the closest lab 2 hours away. Labcorp is the closest lab that I have found to order blood work from. I am wanting to go ahead and look forward to another test in about 4-5 weeks to see where everything is shaking out at. I keep seeing anabolic insights popping up. Would the cycle checkup panel get everything needed? It has hs-CRP, GGT, insulin, Estradiol ultra sensitive, LC/MS, hemoglobin a1c, lipid, eGFR, and Apoliprotein B. It don't look like it is doing any tests for testosterone, which I think should be added. Is anyone else in the same boat as me being geographically limited to labcorp labs and recommend a good ordering service/panel?

You are in a unique situation because I haven't heard of anyone that's so far away from a lab. In any event it's not the end of the world; you made the decision to live in a small town and I'm sure you're saving a lot of money by doing that. In any event as far as the blood work, a full hormone panel is what you want to focus on if you're worried about your hormonal stuff.

 

[ceo]

For sure. I have to get that locked down, that is my biggest hang up. Really sticking to structured plans is my issue.

Bros, learn from the guys on here on how to meal prep or get married to a wife that cooks like me haha.