Weak Sus Beginner Cycle Guidance

[PushPull]

Hey guys I'm currently on my first cycle, only doing sustanon 250. I've saw posts towards others taking it, so I know many don't approve, but it was all that I had available. I am doing 1 pin a week, and my cycle will be
.75cc
.75cc
1cc
1cc
1.5cc
1.5cc
1cc
1cc
.75cc
.75cc
I got this cycle from a man that I've known for quite some time, and he is now in his 50s. He juiced back in the day, and is not a meathead who just wanted to be a freak, he was very smart about it. My question is, should I follow the perfect PCT protocol? It seems very expensive, but I understand that I need it. Also, I saw a post saying I could and should start running Cardarine for my whole cycle, and pct? What do you think? I am in week 4, with today being my 2nd 1cc pin. I am also following the 5x5 program by Bill Starr. I have around 5 yrs experience in the gym. However, I'm only 19. I am realizing that I may have jumped the gun on this, because everything that I was reading on EF, and other forums was agreeing with what I had been told, but after reading some of the more recent posts, I see that there are some guys on here much more educated than any of the others that I've been taking advice from. Also, where can I find the best prices for my PCT? S1's Cardarine is $150 per pack...
BTW, 6'3" 240lbs 16% BF

 

[Randystation]

Your dosage looks fine, can bump it up .25cc weekly if you don't get any sides.
There's really no reason to drop from 1.5cc down to .75cc,
just continue taking 1.5cc till the end of your cycle.

Yes you should follow the perfect PCT protocol,
PCT is just as important as the cycle itself or even more.
If you have the money,
you can take HCG(starting week 4 of cycle till end of PCT), Nolva & Clomid,
otherwise try to take Nolva and Clomid.
RESEARCH WHEN YOU SHOULD START PCT AFTER YOUR LAST DOSAGE
Clomid daily dose from wk1-4
100/100/50/50
Nolvadex daily dose from wk1-4
40/40/20/20

TOTAL PRICE FOR THE PCT SHOULD BE AROUND 100$-150$

Cardarine is anti-catabolic and a fat loss stimulant,
you can take Cardarine if you have the money to do so.

 

[stevesmi]

you are running only 200mg of sustanon up to 300mg of so for 10 weeks

you are wasting your $$$$ for nothing... 200mg a week sustanon is barely above TRT levels, you are still shutting yourself down man. either run steroids the right way or don't bother

your 50 year old buddy probably feels great running around a TRT dose of sustanon since his actual T levels are in the gutter. but you aren't in the same situation

 

[PushPull]

Ok, understood. My goal is to lean out, and preserve the muscle I’ve managed to build over the years. I weighed 305 as a 14 year old, and managed to lose 115lbs when I was 15. Even at 190lbs 6’3” , I had cellulite in my ass, (just being honest), and HUGE upper legs. I still have a big trunk and thighs, but I’ve managed to bring out my quads and hamstring definition, and ditch the disgusting craters in my skin when I flex. I also held fat in my lower stomach the same as my trunk, but my top 4 abs were very defined, with great vascularity in my arms, very defined arms/chest/calves.. my point is, where I store fat, I don’t let go. I track everything that I eat, and I track my workouts, I have been since truly beginning my fitness journey and learning everything that I could along the way. I can lose weight easily, but I can also gain weight like no other! I am currently trying to incorporate the GI levels of my carbohydrate sources into my diet, and I started carb cycling. I manage to hit 30 minutes of steady state incline treadmill at a minimum of 4 days per week. After this cycle, and after running PCT, what would you recommend that I do more research towards, in terms of my next cycle? I do not intend to get as big and muscular as possible, as I’ve always been a big guy. My goal is to lean out and let the hard work I’ve put in show, and then I want to maintain that physique and just clean bulk year round with mini cuts as needed. Also, since I’m only in week 4, would you recommend me to add another compound to this cycle? Or just finish it out and scratch it as a loss and move on?

 

[PushPull]

Thanks for clarifying! Will look into those to save some money!

 

[Mobster]

Hey guys I'm currently on my first cycle, only doing sustanon 250. I've saw posts towards others taking it, so I know many don't approve, but it was all that I had available. I am doing 1 pin a week, and my cycle will be
.75cc
.75cc
1cc
1cc
1.5cc
1.5cc
1cc
1cc
.75cc
.75cc
I got this cycle from a man that I've known for quite some time, and he is now in his 50s. He juiced back in the day, and is not a meathead who just wanted to be a freak, he was very smart about it. My question is, should I follow the perfect PCT protocol? It seems very expensive, but I understand that I need it. Also, I saw a post saying I could and should start running Cardarine for my whole cycle, and pct? What do you think? I am in week 4, with today being my 2nd 1cc pin. I am also following the 5x5 program by Bill Starr. I have around 5 yrs experience in the gym. However, I'm only 19. I am realizing that I may have jumped the gun on this, because everything that I was reading on EF, and other forums was agreeing with what I had been told, but after reading some of the more recent posts, I see that there are some guys on here much more educated than any of the others that I've been taking advice from. Also, where can I find the best prices for my PCT? S1's Cardarine is $150 per pack...
BTW, 6'3" 240lbs 16% BF

You're 19. No steroids until you're 25 and the cycle... it's SHIT.

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Your dosage looks fine, can bump it up .25cc weekly if you don't get any sides.
There's really no reason to drop from 1.5cc down to .75cc,
just continue taking 1.5cc till the end of your cycle.

Yes you should follow the perfect PCT protocol,
PCT is just as important as the cycle itself or even more.
If you have the money,
you can take HCG(starting week 4 of cycle till end of PCT), Nolva & Clomid,
otherwise try to take Nolva and Clomid.
RESEARCH WHEN YOU SHOULD START PCT AFTER YOUR LAST DOSAGE
Clomid daily dose from wk1-4
100/100/50/50
Nolvadex daily dose from wk1-4
40/40/20/20

TOTAL PRICE FOR THE PCT SHOULD BE AROUND 100$-150$

Cardarine is anti-catabolic and a fat loss stimulant,
you can take Cardarine if you have the money to do so.

He's 19 and the cycle has him on a TRT dose. And NO HCG

 

[PushPull]

What about SARMS? I know they're very similar, but what is your opinion on them? And I know that testosterone is not the best thing for me right now, but in the past I've had low test, and even now I'm in the normal range, but low-average.

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You're 19. No steroids until you're 25 and the cycle... it's SHIT.

 

[Randystation]

You're 19. No steroids until you're 25 and the cycle... it's SHIT.

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He's 19 and the cycle has him on a TRT dose. And NO HCG

Finally found the thread, I'm really very sorry I didn't catch that "19".
I don't really know much about Sustanon but I was thinking the dosage was given to him by the old man was fine so I didn't bother to correct dosages.
What's the issue with HCG though? Hope you could feed me with some more knowledge.

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What about SARMS? I know they're very similar, but what is your opinion on them? And I know that testosterone is not the best thing for me right now, but in the past I've had low test, and even now I'm in the normal range, but low-average.

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You're 19. No steroids until you're 25 and the cycle... it's SHIT.

Since you're only a few days into the cycle,
I suggest that you stop the cycle immediately,
like Mobster said, No steroids until you're 25.

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No PCT needed, you're just a few days into your cycle.

 

[muskate]

What about SARMS? I know they're very similar, but what is your opinion on them? And I know that testosterone is not the best thing for me right now, but in the past I've had low test, and even now I'm in the normal range, but low-average.

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You're 19. No steroids until you're 25 and the cycle... it's SHIT.

Man, at 19 you really don't need anything. I know steroids seems so tempting but you will prevent yourself from going through puberty properly if you start messing around with steroids so young.

I would take the couple hundred bucks you were going to spend on a steroid cycle, and hire a good coach. I am not just saying that to plug my personal training services. I don't care who you hire. You're young and your body is in the perfect anabolic to grow right now. Get on a proper diet and training program and you will grow like a weed.

I train a lot of international models. These guys are 19, 20, 21 and their physiques are incredible. No magic. No drugs. Just smart diet and training.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Steroids are NOT fat burners. You are at 16% body fat looking to lean out. Steroids if anything will make you more fat. Not that 16% is fat by any means but you will not get leaner by running testosterone.

 

[Randystation]

I think everyone should now just be advising him how to cycle off properly,
he's already ON THE CYCLE for over 5 weeks by now doing TRT doses lol.

 

[PushPull]

I’d really appreciate that. Not sure what my next step should be here..

 

[PushPull]

Should i just finish the cycle to actually raise my free test? Even if it’s only for 2-3 weeks, wouldn’t that be better than just shutting off natural production and using a normal free test dose?

 

[muskate]

Should i just finish the cycle to actually raise my free test? Even if it’s only for 2-3 weeks, wouldn’t that be better than just shutting off natural production and using a normal free test dose?

Your question confuses me. Testosterone at any dosage will shut down natural testosterone production.

 

[Mobster]

Like Trevor said. Adding outside test stops natural test

 

[stevesmi]

any exogenous test will shut down your pituitary glands.

it is a really good question, but a lot of guys get confused

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

A lot of guys think they are raising testosterone levels by using gear. The fact is that your natural test is going down to zero. You are putting exogenous hormones in your body so it doesn't need to make any.