HGH and IGF

[jjjjii7]

Hi, I bought HGH on here 3 weeks ago and have been on 5iu: 2.5iu split morning and night fasted. Before hgh my natural baseline IGF-1 was 40nmol/L now after 3 weeks 5iu hgh it is 59nmol/L
Is this a reasonable increase for my dosages or is the HGH i’ve been taking possibly undersosed, this is my first cycles and I expected much higher IGF-1 for 5iu
Would really appreciate some advice thanks

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Hi, I bought HGH on here 3 weeks ago and have been on 5iu: 2.5iu split morning and night fasted. Before hgh my natural baseline IGF-1 was 40nmol/L now after 3 weeks 5iu hgh it is 59nmol/L
Is this a reasonable increase for my dosages or is the HGH i’ve been taking possibly undersosed, this is my first cycles and I expected much higher IGF-1 for 5iu
Would really appreciate some advice thanks

@jjjjii7 igf/hgh testing is notoriously flawed and hard to read, time of day, metabolism and a ton of factors come into play
but need to see your bloods before after before commenting, please post the pics, blur personal info

 

[jjjjii7]

 

[jjjjii7]

Hi so 41.9 was before ever taking anything fully natural and 59.9 was on hgh for 3 weeks, test was taken in the morning fasted with good sleep

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Hi so 41.9 was before ever taking anything fully natural and 59.9 was on hgh for 3 weeks, test was taken in the morning fasted with good sleep

can you please add time of day you took each test, check your log and when you pinned hgh how far out from the test @jjjjii7

 

[jjjjii7]

can you please add time of day you took each test, check your log and when you pinned hgh how far out from the test @jjjjii7

Sure thing I took both tests 1 hour after waking up so 9am, I took hgh for 3 weeks and pinned the night before but did not pin the morning before the test as your are not meant to, and besides at 3 weeks igf-1 should be raised very high at that point I thought? so hgh was pinned about 10hrs before test

 

[Freki]

Sure thing I took both tests 1 hour after waking up so 9am, I took hgh for 3 weeks and pinned the night before but did not pin the morning before the test as your are not meant to, and besides at 3 weeks igf-1 should be raised very high at that point I thought? so hgh was pinned about 10hrs before test

Lots of things can affect igf lvls, did you get e2 tested at same time?

 

[Freki]

Hi, I bought HGH on here 3 weeks ago and have been on 5iu: 2.5iu split morning and night fasted. Before hgh my natural baseline IGF-1 was 40nmol/L now after 3 weeks 5iu hgh it is 59nmol/L
Is this a reasonable increase for my dosages or is the HGH i’ve been taking possibly undersosed, this is my first cycles and I expected much higher IGF-1 for 5iu
Would really appreciate some advice thanks

I'd watch the whole podcast, but if you want to skip from about 32mins it explains low igf-1

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[jjjjii7]

Lots of things can affect igf lvls, did you get e2 tested at same time?

Lots of things can affect igf lvls, did you get e2 tested at same time?

Yes i got my E2 tested along side

 

[jjjjii7]

Yes i got my E2 tested along side

Lots of things can affect igf lvls, did you get e2 tested at same time?

E2 came back as 89pmol/L which is good
The igf-1 is alarming tho so confused I really hope it’s not underdose hgh

 

[Eveflorence]

You can't simply go by your igf levels. As already mentioned, so many factors effect your igf not merely your GH usage. Training, diet, and also your ability of your liver to convert GH to igf also play a role.
If you want to test to see whether your GH is good, pin 10iu in your shoulder intramuscularly then 2 hours later have bloods drawn. This is the standard most use to draw conclusions about their GH

 

[jjjjii7]

You can't simply go by your igf levels. As already mentioned, so many factors effect your igf not merely your GH usage. Training, diet, and also your ability of your liver to convert GH to igf also play a role.
If you want to test to see whether your GH is good, pin 10iu in your shoulder intramuscularly then 2 hours later have bloods drawn. This is the standard most use to draw conclusions about their GH

Hey thanks bro that’s great advice I researched and online also said to do that, tomoz i’m gonna go and do the gh trick to test. My main concern is I personally my goal is it hit over 80 igf-1 to help me heal from a bad ankle injury do you have any advice? i was hoping the hgh 5iu would do that mayb now i should double the dose to 10iu? maybe i’ll open another thread and ask for advice?

 

[jjjjii7]

You can't simply go by your igf levels. As already mentioned, so many factors effect your igf not merely your GH usage. Training, diet, and also your ability of your liver to convert GH to igf also play a role.
If you want to test to see whether your GH is good, pin 10iu in your shoulder intramuscularly then 2 hours later have bloods drawn. This is the standard most use to draw conclusions about their GH

Hi i want to say to you and anyone else reading this I mis calculated my reconstitution and was actually micro dosing the hgh therefore the “small increase” of serum igf-1 was actually really big going from 41nmol to 59 nmol is massive for a micro dose. the source i got from is very good he’s top notch

 

[CypherOCE]

Hi i want to say to you and anyone else reading this I mis calculated my reconstitution and was actually micro dosing the hgh therefore the “small increase” of serum igf-1 was actually really big going from 41nmol to 59 nmol is massive for a micro dose. the source i got from is very good he’s top notch

Glad you realised! Solid increase for a micro dose of GH

You’ll likely hit 70+ with a big boy dose

 

[Chopperoo]

Hi i want to say to you and anyone else reading this I mis calculated my reconstitution and was actually micro dosing the hgh therefore the “small increase” of serum igf-1 was actually really big going from 41nmol to 59 nmol is massive for a micro dose. the source i got from is very good he’s top notch

How much are you calling micro dose?

 

[Mikzymik]

its hard to tell if ur hgh is good of igf levels. you can use the same supplier same batch same dose and have different results your body will convert different amounts based on many factors. the best way to test your hgh is take 10iu 3.5 hours before bloods and test your gh levels you will always get the same result. when ever i change supplier or want to test a batch i do that.

 

[TheOne1]

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41nmol/L as a baseline is already very good!
and 5iu taking you to 59nmol/L is pretty reasonable given where you started.
there's no linear increase in IGF1 with increasing the HGH dosage. You will plateau at a point.
interesting tho, I also got 59nmol/L for IGF1 in my last blood test and I also use 5IU... but my baseline was 17nmol/L.

furthermore, your e2 levels at each HGH dose will influence how much you convert IGF1 too, so I also keep track of that too. Generally e2 is favorable for more IGF1 conversion.

I'm planning on doing a stint of 10IU a night of HGH and seeing where it takes me. I've heard that, thats where the magic happens for most. So gonna F around and find out haha

 

[jbmelb]

Do you guys do anything for blood sugar using HGH? I can seem to take any without my blood sugar spiking

 

[Eveflorence]

Do you guys do anything for blood sugar using HGH? I can seem to take any without my blood sugar spiking

Could try berberine? I wouldn't go down the Metformin route

 

[Boris Stroganoff]

Could try berberine? I wouldn't go down the Metformin route

Berberine for sure and if you are already on Telmisartan then...

How does telmisartan improve insulin sensitivity?​

Telmisartan is unique among angiotensin II receptor blockers (ARBs) because it also activates PPAR-γ (Peroxisome Proliferator-Activated Receptor gamma), similar to drugs like pioglitazone (Actos), which are used for insulin resistance. This dual action gives telmisartan metabolic effects beyond blood pressure control:

• Increases insulin sensitivity in muscle, liver, and fat
• Improves glucose uptake
• Reduces fasting glucose and insulin levels
• Decreases inflammation and oxidative stress in metabolic tissues
• May reduce visceral fat and improve lipid profile

 

[Chopperoo]

Could try berberine? I wouldn't go down the Metformin route

Why not out of interest?

I use scripted Metformin.

I also use GH daily at 5 IU.

 

[Eveflorence]

Why not out of interest?

I use scripted Metformin.

I also use GH daily at 5 IU.

I just think a spike in BG due to GH use doesn't warrant using Metformin but look it's likely I'm wrong. Also he didn't say how much GH he's using.
I was under the impression that if you're using insulin or eating massive amounts of carbohydrates Metformin would be the go to.
Interested in others thoughts as I'm keen to learn.

 

[jbmelb]

Most I've ran is 4iu daily and least was 1iu, same results.

Even with berberine, and other supps (non pharma) i get big spikes. Just figured HGH isn't for me at low doses, and if i ever opt for high I'd take insulin anyway

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Most I've ran is 4iu daily and least was 1iu, same results.

Even with berberine, and other supps (non pharma) i get big spikes. Just figured HGH isn't for me at low doses, and if i ever opt for high I'd take insulin anyway

@jbmelb You're saying 4 IUs vs 1 IU with insulin same results?

Why not out of interest?

I use scripted Metformin.

I also use GH daily at 5 IU.

Metformin is not needed if there are natural routes with berberine and cinnamon but they are limited. @Chopperoo

 

[Chopperoo]

@jbmelb You're saying 4 IUs vs 1 IU with insulin same results?

Metformin is not needed if there are natural routes with berberine and cinnamon but they are limited. @Chopperoo

You mean in this instance or instead of any scripted use?

My BG is on the higher end of normal but not an issue per se. I was scripted and I've read about other health benefits and anti-aging properties. SO long as it doesn't hurt my GH use.

 

[jbmelb]

@jbmelb You're saying 4 IUs vs 1 IU with insulin same results?

Metformin is not needed if there are natural routes with berberine and cinnamon but they are limited. @Chopperoo

I'm second guessing myself now. I keep notes with all my blood work and I've got myself listed at 3IUs for the blood tests I took when I was on it. From memory I'd dropped to 1IU but maybe I never did.

3IUs definitely spiked me hard anyway

 

[StoryOfTheProphet]

You can't simply go by your igf levels. As already mentioned, so many factors effect your igf not merely your GH usage. Training, diet, and also your ability of your liver to convert GH to igf also play a role.
If you want to test to see whether your GH is good, pin 10iu in your shoulder intramuscularly then 2 hours later have bloods drawn. This is the standard most use to draw conclusions about their GH

Interesting you post this; i thought the standardised American Test (which is the standard alot of forums go by) is 3hours (3.5 hours to be exact for half life).

Has the standardised test changed; or whats the reasoning for the 2H mark?
Hope your well big sxc!

 

[Eveflorence]

Interesting you post this; i thought the standardised American Test (which is the standard alot of forums go by) is 3hours (3.5 hours to be exact for half life).
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Has the standardised test changed; or whats the reasoning for the 2H mark?
Hope your well big sxc!

Yeah I reckon 2-3 hours seems like good protocol. Not sure on the specifics other than it taking a couple of hours to reach peak levels after injecting

 

[Boofy]

41nmol/L as a baseline is already very good!
and 5iu taking you to 59nmol/L is pretty reasonable given where you started.
there's no linear increase in IGF1 with increasing the HGH dosage. You will plateau at a point.
interesting tho, I also got 59nmol/L for IGF1 in my last blood test and I also use 5IU... but my baseline was 17nmol/L.

furthermore, your e2 levels at each HGH dose will influence how much you convert IGF1 too, so I also keep track of that too. Generally e2 is favorable for more IGF1 conversion.

I'm planning on doing a stint of 10IU a night of HGH and seeing where it takes me. I've heard that, thats where the magic happens for most. So gonna F around and find out haha

@TheOne1 what did you notice in body composition and or anything else going from IGF1 17 to 59nmol/L?

Composition, strength, muscle, mood, cognition?

Did you happen to have low ferretin levels when you were low?

 

[TheOne1]

@TheOne1 what did you notice in body composition and or anything else going from IGF1 17 to 59nmol/L?

Composition, strength, muscle, mood, cognition?

Did you happen to have low ferretin levels when you were low?

Over time fat loss and accelerated recovery are probably to two noticeable improvements. It's not something that you feel the impact overnight, except maybe sleep. I've run HGH for about a year now without a break at 5-6IU nightly. It works synergistically with the other compounds you're on. If you've got access to it, certainly add it to your stack. Definitely one of the more healthier compounds.

My strength and muscle development has progressed well, but hard to say its the HGH as i'm using other compounds known for that.

I didn't test for ferritin at my baseline levels, but it's unlikely as that's not something I has struggled with in the past.