Approved Log 2025 Cycle Log - Body Recomp Journal

[texas.redneck]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.
So here we are.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

Training Program Summary (August to September - 12 weeks on Testosterone):

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

 

[texas.redneck]

Week 1 Update

FYI, I'm leaning heavily into AI (artificial intelligence not aromatase inhibitors) for this training and cycle. I have an ongoing chat in ChatGPT that's loaded up with all my history, my labs, my cycle plans, my training history, etc. And a spreadsheet that tracks all my lifts and weights that it reads. So it's also helping me summarize my log posts.

No changes to cycle plan noted above. No sides yet. Libido, energy, and mood are all normal — haven’t touched an AI (aromatase inhibitors) yet and won’t unless labs or sides dictate.

Training recap
4 weightlifting sessions
2 swim sessions (1625 yards & 1450 yards, \~50 min pace)
4 weighted dog walks (1 mile with 12 lb vest)

I'm also following what I call a prehab back program. It's 15 minute warmup on lifting days that's the preventative maintenance on my back. Think bird dogs, dead bugs, stability ball stuff, planks. I do this at the beginning of my lifting days for warmup. I can post the full warmup routine if anyone’s curious.

Workouts felt smooth this week — no excessive DOMS or fatigue buildup. Weights are already starting to move easier by the back half of the week.

I'm weighing in at 197.2-197.4 consistently.

Diet has been steady—no major changes—so the weight increase is likely just from added glycogen and water with the uptick in training volume and TRT kicking in.

 

[Mobster]

Out of interest what did the Test Cyp cos?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

@texas.redneck welcome back to our big EVO family
Can you share pics of you, face blurred so we can see your base and approve log.

 

[texas.redneck]

Out of interest what did the Test Cyp cos?

Too much. LOL. At least triple of what it would have cost if I just came back to Evo, not go to a TRT clinic. But it's legal and I get labs included. I'll DM you.

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck welcome back to our big EVO family
Can you share pics of you, face blurred so we can see your base and approve log.

That's a requirement to have this log approved?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

That's a requirement to have this log approved?

@texas.redneck Yes, sure to have a log approved and get VIP badge, we need to understand your base and support you. so please share your picture face blurred, it’s anonymous.
EVO is now a no judgment zone, you will get nothing but positive feedback no matter what.

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck Yes, sure to have a log approved and get VIP badge, we need to understand your base and support you. so please share your picture face blurred, it’s anonymous.
EVO is now a no judgment zone, you will get nothing but positive feedback no matter what.

You just want me to attach it to one of these post replies or how do you want it?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

You just want me to attach it to one of these post replies or how do you want it?

@texas.redneck Yes, please reply and attach picture in reply. thanks

 

[texas.redneck]

My first injection was 7.28.25. This pic is 8.1.25. I'm 197lb. 5’11

 

[Eddie Haskell]

My first injection was 7.28.25. This pic is 8.1.25. I'm 197lb.

@texas.redneck Great shape you are very lean. Big arms, big shoulders, wide chest.

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck Great shape you are very lean. Big arms, big shoulders, wide chest.

Thanks for compliment. Any thoughts on my cycle plan?

My kryptonite is degenerative disc in low back from overkilling squats, deadlifts, and olympic lifts from my twenties to early thirties. Now I'm constantly having to adapt workouts around that. I can't load a barbell on my back for squats. I can very very carefully do front squats but don't push it too much, not worth the risk. And no deadlifts or olympic lifts. So I mostly do a crap ton of lunge variations and leg press. I can still do RDLs surprisingly, the straight hinge movement doesn't bother the low back.

I'm a lot more rounded now with lifting, swimming, cycling, walking dog, etc. I'll do a Murph workout on memorial day and stuff like that. Back in the day I measured everything by PRs on squat, deadlift, bench, snatch, etc. Now I measure stuff by how good I feel and what I see in the mirror. LOL.

 

[Pigsy]

Welcome to logging on EVO. Will be following

 

[LevButlerov]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.

welcome fully bad to the EVO family @texas.redneck your log is approved now. @Npcclassicphysique champ told me about you
Happy you are here.
On the TRT clinic, stop paying soon as you can self-TRT with our approved suppliers.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I saw your picture you look good, can you share your blood work? blur personal info.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

That's a fun thing, how are your knees?

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

cycle
I think your cycle is reasonable but it lacks mk677 5mgs before bed you need nutrobal at your age.
You should also have aromasin for sure light dose, and add organ cycle support you need it get n2guard we trust them
https://n2guard.com
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Training, Cardio
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

Diet
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
would be nice to see it in an app like cronometer or myfitnesspal

My first injection was 7.28.25. This pic is 8.1.25. I'm 197lb. 5’11

100mgs of test? please share test bottle pic you use thanks

And are you listening to the podcast? you subbed?
Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

and ebooks you get them?
eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

thank you and share more

 

[stevesmi]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.
So here we are.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

Training Program Summary (August to September - 12 weeks on Testosterone):

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

trt clinics are easy to get what you want. but they usually don't have your best interest at heart. they want your wallet bigtime. its like going to a mechanic and having them say you have 10 things you need for your car @texas.redneck

 

[Mobster]

Too much. LOL. At least triple of what it would have cost if I just came back to Evo, not go to a TRT clinic. But it's legal and I get labs included. I'll DM you.

Yep replied

 

[2Thick]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.
So here we are.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

Training Program Summary (August to September - 12 weeks on Testosterone):

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

half ironman will be fun! you don't see too many doing that on here. so this will be a cool log to follow. the GW will be huge! make sure to stock up on that it will go fast! @texas.redneck

 

[Ulter]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.
So here we are.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

Training Program Summary (August to September - 12 weeks on Testosterone):

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

don't play chicken with your estrogen. it can sneak up on you out of nowhere. as you get older estrogen tends to get worse and worse @texas.redneck

 

[BodyMonster34]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.
So here we are.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

Training Program Summary (August to September - 12 weeks on Testosterone):

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

bro nice another @texas.redneck just remember I'm the #1 texas redneck on here. how big your trailer and truck? we gotta compare sizes to see who the real redneck

 

[ceo]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.
So here we are.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

Training Program Summary (August to September - 12 weeks on Testosterone):

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

bros i love this whole setup. welcome to EVO logging family. but i don't see any reason to use gonadorelin if you staying on gear for life. not gonna matter if your 'stimlate lh' .. it actually mimics it anyway @texas.redneck

 

[ROIDDERS]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.
So here we are.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

Training Program Summary (August to September - 12 weeks on Testosterone):

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

sounds like your trt clinic will give you anything for a buck lol. just be careful with places like that though. a lot of times their best intentions aren't your best intentions. @texas.redneck

 

[texas.redneck]

welcome fully bad to the EVO family @texas.redneck your log is approved now. @Npcclassicphysique champ told me about you
Happy you are here.
On the TRT clinic, stop paying soon as you can self-TRT with our approved suppliers.

I saw your picture you look good, can you share your blood work? blur personal info.

That's a fun thing, how are your knees?

cycle
I think your cycle is reasonable but it lacks mk677 5mgs before bed you need nutrobal at your age.
You should also have aromasin for sure light dose, and add organ cycle support you need it get n2guard we trust them
https://n2guard.com
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard

Training, Cardio
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Diet
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
would be nice to see it in an app like cronometer or myfitnesspal

100mgs of test? please share test bottle pic you use thanks

And are you listening to the podcast? you subbed?
Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

and ebooks you get them?
eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

thank you and share more

my right knee is a little funky in the front under the knee cap when I've been cycling a lot and I go to gym and do lunges.

As far as the rest, it's too much man. I didn't even really want to do this post but I was told it's a requirement so I'm trying to be a good sport and community member. I'll post summaries when I can.

I'm tracking my workout program in a spreadsheet, I have my triathlon training (swims, etc.) in TrainingPeaks. I've done MyfitnessPal and logged every meal in the past, which is extremely tedious because I'm a perfectionist and MyfitnessPal also started charging for the barcode scan feature. After using Myfitness pal for 3 months or so, you pretty much have everything memorized and can just go by gut feel at that point without tracking unless I'm going to do something like Keto.

So in other words, I'm tracking plenty with various tools, just because I don't want to put every detail about my life in an Evo log. LOL. I'll do some summaries when I can

 

[texas.redneck]

cycle
I think your cycle is reasonable but it lacks mk677 5mgs before bed you need nutrobal at your age.
You should also have aromasin for sure light dose, and add organ cycle support you need it get n2guard we trust them
https://n2guard.com
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard

Test center gave me some AI just in case symptoms present. I'll look at that other stuff.

I don't have test bottle. I assume whatever standard pharmacy brand is. They just sent me home with a bunch of preloaded syringes, conveniently labeled for each day, in the goodie bag with my free t shirt.

100mgs of test? please share test bottle pic you use thanks

 

[texas.redneck]

don't play chicken with your estrogen. it can sneak up on you out of nowhere. as you get older estrogen tends to get worse and worse @texas.redneck

noted. I did get some AI from the clinic just in case. And estrogen is the one thing I am curious when I go in for my follow up labs. I have labs from 2017 when I was on 400/mg a week taken mid-cycle (~week 6) and my Estradiol was 41 and free test was >50.

 

[texas.redneck]

bros i love this whole setup. welcome to EVO logging family. but i don't see any reason to use gonadorelin if you staying on gear for life. not gonna matter if your 'stimlate lh' .. it actually mimics it anyway @texas.redneck

I'm not staying on for life! And if I was I wouldn't do 300mg/week! LOL. I'm not ready for that commitment yet. My free testosterone still hangs in 10-11 not on synthetic testosterone. It's just a fun 12 week blast. Something I haven't done in about 8 years. Just another hobby for me to obsess about and spend money on.

 

[texas.redneck]

I think your cycle is reasonable but it lacks mk677 5mgs before bed you need nutrobal at your age.

@LevButlerov - I was doing a little more research on this mk677. It looks like it might be beneficial to retain muscle mass when I transition back to the ironman training in a couple months. What do you think?

 

[texas.redneck]

don't play chicken with your estrogen. it can sneak up on you out of nowhere. as you get older estrogen tends to get worse and worse

@Ulter I stopped by the clinic to pick up some Gonadorelin because they were out last week and confirmed she'll be testing my estrogen next time I go on 8/15 so I'll post results when I have it. I currently have some Anastrozole on standby.

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck Great shape you are very lean. Big arms, big shoulders, wide chest.

@Eddie Haskell for the record, I don't traditionally do tricep or bicep specific exercises. They come that way just for the compound lifts. I am doing the ancillary lifts for purposes of this cycle though so we'll see what they start to look like.

 

[ceo]

I'm not staying on for life! And if I was I wouldn't do 300mg/week! LOL. I'm not ready for that commitment yet. My free testosterone still hangs in 10-11 not on synthetic testosterone. It's just a fun 12 week blast. Something I haven't done in about 8 years. Just another hobby for me to obsess about and spend money on.

bros okay thought you was on trt

 

[texas.redneck]

bros okay thought you was on trt

@ceo It's "TRT" with a little kick to it

 

[Ulter]

noted. I did get some AI from the clinic just in case. And estrogen is the one thing I am curious when I go in for my follow up labs. I have labs from 2017 when I was on 400/mg a week taken mid-cycle (~week 6) and my Estradiol was 41 and free test was >50.

i would keep your E mid range

 

[texas.redneck]

i would keep your E mid range

@Ulter What's your opinion on pinning 3x week versus 2x week? I've been going back and forth on what I want to do on my next refill: 100mg 3x week versus 150mg 2x week. Right now I've been doing the 3x week 100mg and from what I've gathered, if I don't mind the shots things run smoother on 3x week.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov - I was doing a little more research on this mk677. It looks like it might be beneficial to retain muscle mass when I transition back to the ironman training in a couple months. What do you think?

@texas.redneck nutrobal mk677 could help, but really HGH is the best option. You can start with 677 5-10mgs before bed, we should start with 10 to see if you get very hungry.
Make sure you use USA made sarms from Umbrella, they have lab testing with all -
https://umbrellalabs.is/shop/sarms/sarm-liquid/mk-677-ibutamoren-nutrobal

 

[LevButlerov]

Test center gave me some AI just in case symptoms present. I'll look at that other stuff.

I don't have test bottle. I assume whatever standard pharmacy brand is. They just sent me home with a bunch of preloaded syringes, conveniently labeled for each day, in the goodie bag with my free t shirt.

You have preloaded syringes? please share pics and pics of your AI thanks @texas.redneck

 

[Ulter]

@Ulter What's your opinion on pinning 3x week versus 2x week? I've been going back and forth on what I want to do on my next refill: 100mg 3x week versus 150mg 2x week. Right now I've been doing the 3x week 100mg and from what I've gathered, if I don't mind the shots things run smoother on 3x week.

bro test cyp? 2x a week is plenty

 

[ceo]

@ceo It's "TRT" with a little kick to it

bros haha okay

 

[texas.redneck]

You have preloaded syringes? please share pics and pics of your AI thanks @texas.redneck

Here you go. I forgot the pic of the AI but it's not that impressive. It's literally one of those generic pill bottles they gave me with several Anastrozole tabs broke in half and on it she wrote AI 0.5 or something like that. Like I had said, they just sent me home with this little goodie bag complete with needle disposal Tupperware thing and a t-shirt.

 

[texas.redneck]

bro test cyp? 2x a week is plenty

got it. The TRT clinic gave me preloaded 100mg syringes (see pics I posted above) because I was going to start on 200mg 2x week but I pulled an audible and went to E3D then just decided to jump to 300mg su/Tues/Thurs. On my next refill I'll just have them do 150mg a syringe, although I do like the flexibility of the 100mg syringes if I want to back off slightly and spread the dosage back out to E3D. I'll ask if they will just let me take a vial next time instead of preloading.

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck nutrobal mk677 could help, but really HGH is the best option.

So what's your suggestion to minimize muscle loss for when I transition to my Half Ironman training camp? You said HGH but didn't elaborate.

The half ironman training will be about a 12-16 week training camp where I'll lift 2x week (full body more sport specific), swim 2x week, bike 2x week, and run 1-2x week. The lifting days will most likely be on the short bike or swim day in afternoons (~5-8 hours after the morning bike/swim with at least two meals in between).

When I did the full ironman in 2022, my weight dwindled down dangerously low around 180 the weeks leading up to the race. I think I managed to keep it from dipping below 182. My nutritionist wanted me to be sure to stay above 180 and I was eating 3000-5000 calories a day. By the time I got to the month leading up to the Ironman I was doing 6-8 hour bike rides on Saturdays and 2-2:30 runs on Sundays.

This half Ironman shouldn't be anywhere near as taxing for the training camp. I'm going to keep it super light.

Make sure you use USA made sarms from Umbrella, they have lab testing with all -
https://umbrellalabs.is/shop/sarms/sarm-liquid/mk-677-ibutamoren-nutrobal

Is this one just a dropper bottle? Is that link your preferred source and does it ship domestic or international from them?

Thanks bro.

 

[stevesmi]

So what's your suggestion to minimize muscle loss for when I transition to my Half Ironman training camp? You said HGH but didn't elaborate.

The half ironman training will be about a 12-16 week training camp where I'll lift 2x week (full body more sport specific), swim 2x week, bike 2x week, and run 1-2x week. The lifting days will most likely be on the short bike or swim day in afternoons (~5-8 hours after the morning bike/swim with at least two meals in between).

When I did the full ironman in 2022, my weight dwindled down dangerously low around 180 the weeks leading up to the race. I think I managed to keep it from dipping below 182. My nutritionist wanted me to be sure to stay above 180 and I was eating 3000-5000 calories a day. By the time I got to the month leading up to the Ironman I was doing 6-8 hour bike rides on Saturdays and 2-2:30 runs on Sundays.

This half Ironman shouldn't be anywhere near as taxing for the training camp. I'm going to keep it super light.

Is this one just a dropper bottle? Is that link your preferred source and does it ship domestic or international from them?

Thanks bro.

if you lose body weight then a % of that will be muscle. that is just how it works. but you will look more muscular if the majority you lose is fat. and your % of total muscle will go up .

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck nutrobal mk677 could help, but really HGH is the best option. You can start with 677 5-10mgs before bed, we should start with 10 to see if you get very hungry.
Make sure you use USA made sarms from Umbrella, they have lab testing with all -
https://umbrellalabs.is/shop/sarms/sarm-liquid/mk-677-ibutamoren-nutrobal

Do you buy this MK677 directly off this website and how do you use this dropper to get the 10mg dosage you are suggesting?

 

[LevButlerov]

Here you go. I forgot the pic of the AI but it's not that impressive. It's literally one of those generic pill bottles they gave me with several Anastrozole tabs broke in half and on it she wrote AI 0.5 or something like that. Like I had said, they just sent me home with this little goodie bag complete with needle disposal Tupperware thing and a t-shirt.

@texas.redneck this kind of TRT is hard to do because you're not in control. You don't know the test or quality.
As soon as you finish this, you need to switch to self-TRT where you have the test vial on hand and you control the situation.

So what's your suggestion to minimize muscle loss for when I transition to my Half Ironman training camp? You said HGH but didn't elaborate.

HGH would help but you can start with mk677 nutrobal, 10mgs before bed is a good dose for your size.

The half ironman training will be about a 12-16 week training camp where I'll lift 2x week (full body more sport specific), swim 2x week, bike 2x week, and run 1-2x week. The lifting days will most likely be on the short bike or swim day in afternoons (~5-8 hours after the morning bike/swim with at least two meals in between).

When I did the full ironman in 2022, my weight dwindled down dangerously low around 180 the weeks leading up to the race. I think I managed to keep it from dipping below 182. My nutritionist wanted me to be sure to stay above 180 and I was eating 3000-5000 calories a day. By the time I got to the month leading up to the Ironman I was doing 6-8 hour bike rides on Saturdays and 2-2:30 runs on Sundays.

This half Ironman shouldn't be anywhere near as taxing for the training camp. I'm going to keep it super light.

For the Ironman you need to start using cardarine gw 20mgs ed to really help you boost cardio.
Go with umbrella cardarine-
https://umbrellalabs.is/shop/sarms/sarm-liquid/gw-501516-cardarine-20mg-ml

Is this one just a dropper bottle? Is that link your preferred source and does it ship domestic or international from them?

Yes you can go with the liquid version. Easy to use, just take 1/2 ml which will be around 12.5mgs before bed. Will make you sleepy and boost your hgh levels. @texas.redneck

Umbrella labs is USA made peptides and sarms, shipped domestic, so I only trust them. Never trust international sarms, I've seen them come as dbol etc
https://umbrellalabs.is/shop/sarms/sarm-liquid/mk-677-ibutamoren-nutrobal

 

[texas.redneck]

Update I got from Chat GPT this morning. I had updated my chat on my weight gain. about ~14 days ago my morning weigh in's were consistently 194. Then after about 7 days on creatine I was about 197. Then I started my testosterone and today i'm 202.2. This is it's analysis FWIW:

So you're on a Sunday / Tuesday / Thursday injection schedule (Su/Tu/Th) at 100 mg per shot, which means:

• Your last shot was Tuesday 8/5 (100 mg)
• Next shot is Thursday 8/7 (100 mg)

---

Current Summary:​

• Total of 4 injections so far (400 mg total)
  
  • 7/28
  • 7/31
  • 8/3
  • 8/5
• Next injection is tomorrow, 8/7.

---

Weight Gain (202.2 lbs on 8/6) Context Now:​

• You’re still in the early accumulation phase of Testosterone Cypionate.
  
  • Levels are climbing but haven’t fully saturated yet.
• The ~7 lbs gain since creatine/Test start is in line with normal expectations.
• Since you’re doing E3D dosing (Su/Tu/Th), you’re getting a very smooth hormonal curve — less peak-trough fluctuations.
• Tomorrow’s shot (8/7) will continue pushing your serum Test higher, but we wouldn’t expect to see full stabilization until around Week 3 (next week).

---

TL;DR Adjusted:​

• You’re progressing exactly where I’d expect given your shot schedule.
• The 202.2 lb reading this morning is still within a normal zone.
• Keep an eye on mirror and “feel” indicators (tightness, water retention patterns)—not just the scale.
• You’re not in AI (Anastrozole) territory yet, but the next 5–7 days will be the real checkpoint phase.

---

 

[texas.redneck]

Umbrella labs is USA made peptides and sarms, shipped domestic, so I only trust them. Never trust international sarms, I've seen them come as dbol etc
https://umbrellalabs.is/shop/sarms/sarm-liquid/mk-677-ibutamoren-nutrobal

Anything else I should consider adding to my order from umbrellalabs if I put in the MK677 order? Peptides?

 

[ballin2504]

Walked into a TRT clinic recently thinking I’d just take advantage of their promotion to get testosterone checked for free… next thing you know, I walked out with a bag of Test Cyp preloaded syringes, HCG, and a free T-shirt. The nurse practitioner basically said I can have as much testosterone as I want and get 20% off if I prepay for 3 months.
So here we are.

I'm mid-forties, 5'11", 195lbs, ~14% body fat. Before starting my total testosterone 358 (per the clinics free in-house) and free testosterone is 10.1 (per labcorp). Rest of my metabolic screening and all that is normal. I’ve done a few cycles back in 2016–2018 that ranged from 10-12 weeks and 400 to 500mg/week testosterone with some Tbol sprinkled in.

I got on this triathlon kick in 2022 and for the last couple years I've been lifting 3 days in winter and 2 days in summer; Swimming 1-2x week 1200-1800 yards; and Cycling 2-3x week (trainer session and long Saturday rides). I stopped running after I did a full Ironman because running doesn't always agree with the degenerative disc in my back.

Current Cycle Plan:
August to September (12 weeks):

• Test Cyp 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split dosing)
• Gonadorelin (GnRH): 2x per week (Mon/Fri) to keep LH active during cycle
• Weeks 7–12 - Anavar 40 mg/day
• Estrogen blocker as needed - I usually don't need. I've gone up to 400-500mg a week before and estrogen has stayed in the acceptable range on my lab work. Made the newbie mistake on my first cycle of starting estrogen blockers right away and crashed my estrogen and felt like shit.
• GW - will use during peak phase of Half ironman training in December to February. See below

November:
*Clomid PCT
*I'll probably cut back to 3 days a week strength training and add back cycling

December to February:
*Training for Half Ironman in march. Will use GW for ~5-6 weeks during peak.
*I'll cut back to 2 days a week of strength training and add back running.
*GW will be used during peak endurance training blocks to help with stamina and recovery, particularly as I add running back into my schedule.

March to May:
Repeat 12 week cycle. Add back some lean muscle after the Ironman.

Training Program Summary (August to September - 12 weeks on Testosterone):

This is my plan for the next 12 weeks:
I dropped cycling so I now have a 4 day weightlifting training split with 2 days of swimming and I walk my dog 1-1.5 miles several times a week with a 12-20lb weighted vest.

4-Day Hypertrophy Split (Upper/Lower A/B Rotation)
Upper A (Horizontal Push-Pull Focus)
Lower A (Hip Hinge + Quad Focus)
Upper B (Vertical Push-Pull Focus)
Lower B (Unilateral + Glute Dominant)

The program is structured so I can train 2–4x/week depending on life, without neglecting any muscle groups. I'm pretty dialed in at the moment hitting all 4 days of lifting consistently since I started this cycle.

Main compound lifts 8-12 reps per set with 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Secondary compaound lifts 6-10- reps per set 1-2 RIR. Rest 90-120 seconds
Accessory and Isolation work 12-20 reps per set with 0-1 RIR. Rest 60-90 seconds

Diet:
Maybe I'll elaborate on this later. Basically, I cut out desserts and I eat ~2,500 calories a day, 150-200g protein. Just clean food.
Example breakfast - bagel or waffles, 2-3 eggs, couple sausage links and fresh fruit
Example lunch - Jimmy johns sandwhich with chips and apple or an Icon meal and apple
Example Snack - cheese stick, beef stick, nuts and fruit
Example dinner - something my wife makes. Last night was some fish teriyaki bowl
Example dessert - yogurt parfait
Example post workout - Core elite 42g protien with creatine and a banana

@texas.redneck nice start to the log man. Glad to have you aboard. Welcome to the forum.

 

[Ulter]

got it. The TRT clinic gave me preloaded 100mg syringes (see pics I posted above) because I was going to start on 200mg 2x week but I pulled an audible and went to E3D then just decided to jump to 300mg su/Tues/Thurs. On my next refill I'll just have them do 150mg a syringe, although I do like the flexibility of the 100mg syringes if I want to back off slightly and spread the dosage back out to E3D. I'll ask if they will just let me take a vial next time instead of preloading.

yeah you can do it that way too

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Update I got from Chat GPT this morning. I had updated my chat on my weight gain. about ~14 days ago my morning weigh in's were consistently 194. Then after about 7 days on creatine I was about 197. Then I started my testosterone and today i'm 202.2. This is it's analysis FWIW:

So you're on a Sunday / Tuesday / Thursday injection schedule (Su/Tu/Th) at 100 mg per shot, which means:

• Your last shot was Tuesday 8/5 (100 mg)
• Next shot is Thursday 8/7 (100 mg)

---

Current Summary:​

• Total of 4 injections so far (400 mg total)
  • 7/28
  • 7/31
  • 8/3
  • 8/5
• Next injection is tomorrow, 8/7.

---

Weight Gain (202.2 lbs on 8/6) Context Now:​

• You’re still in the early accumulation phase of Testosterone Cypionate.
  • Levels are climbing but haven’t fully saturated yet.
• The ~7 lbs gain since creatine/Test start is in line with normal expectations.
• Since you’re doing E3D dosing (Su/Tu/Th), you’re getting a very smooth hormonal curve — less peak-trough fluctuations.
• Tomorrow’s shot (8/7) will continue pushing your serum Test higher, but we wouldn’t expect to see full stabilization until around Week 3 (next week).

---

TL;DR Adjusted:​

• You’re progressing exactly where I’d expect given your shot schedule.
• The 202.2 lb reading this morning is still within a normal zone.
• Keep an eye on mirror and “feel” indicators (tightness, water retention patterns)—not just the scale.
• You’re not in AI (Anastrozole) territory yet, but the next 5–7 days will be the real checkpoint phase.

---

@texas.redneck Solid updates man.........

 

[Noah Wixx]

I hope they didn't charge you an arm and a leg for all that because those clinics tend to take advantage of people and charge 300+ dollars a month.

 

[LevButlerov]

Anything else I should consider adding to my order from umbrellalabs if I put in the MK677 order? Peptides?

@texas.redneck cardarine gw and mk677 with some bpc I suggest.
If you have issues with food get some retatrutide.
https://umbrellalabs.is/shop/sarms/sarm-liquid/gw-501516-cardarine-20mg-ml/
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[texas.redneck]

I hope they didn't charge you an arm and a leg for all that because those clinics tend to take advantage of people and charge 300+ dollars a month.

They did charge me an arm and a leg. Please note my earlier comments above where I said that I paid triple of what I would have paid if I would have just found my way back to Evo first and just bought some gear from Napsgear or the brothers here.

I went in eyes open though. I know their tactics and marketing. I got 20% off for prepaying for the 3 month cycle and they charge a one time $250 fee per year for labs. It's a nice to be doing it legal way under supervision of a nurse practitioner with monthly labs.

That said....since I found my way back to Evo last week, I've already bought gear for another 12 week cycle next spring. LOL. I'll post pics when I have it. It's pretty much the same as this one but not through the TRT clinic and cost me less than $300 to grab all the components (Cyp, HCG, Clomid, Anavar). That will be fun because I'll be lean af after that half ironman in March and I'll just roll right into 12 weeks of 300-400/week of Test going into spring/summer.

So far, I'm kind of liking the smoothness of this 300/week. It's still a little early to judge. I still need another 1-2 weeks to get the blood levels stable.

 

[25homes]

Good update

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck this kind of TRT is hard to do because you're not in control. You don't know the test or quality.
As soon as you finish this, you need to switch to self-TRT where you have the test vial on hand and you control the situation.

It's a US Pharmacy grade testosterone so I wasn't super concerned with quality, at least not until you are making me paranoid. LOL. It's just cypionate dispensed from a pharmacy in the US.

That said, I already bought my supplies to do another 12 week blast next spring after I finish that half ironman I mentioned. That will be a fun cycle because I should be starting super lean coming off the 3-4 month triathlon training. See pics of what I just got in mail today. I'm still waiting on my Clomid that I ordered for PCT and will have to get my hands on some HCG before I start but I months to get all my gear in order.

EDIT: I mispoke, that pharmaqo anavar is for this current 12 week cycle (he one i'm on now that i'm about to enter my third week of 300mg cyp/week). That Test Cyp pictured is my stash for the next 12 week cycle in spring 2026.

 

[texas.redneck]

@LevButlerov More gear pic I got in the mail today.

1. Sarm Research Cardarine (GW501516): I plan to use this during the last 6-8 weeks leading up to my half ironman in march. That will cover me for the peak phase of my training.

2. Omega Lab Anavar 10mg/tab - jury is out on whether I keep this, trash it, sell for cheap or give away. This was an impulse buy when I got back online last week after 8 years and didn't know where to start to find a source. A guy on another forum smooth talked me and after further research, it seems Omega Lab might be kind of a crap brand. @Mobster suggested I get it tested before doing any brash decisions. STill researching how to do that.

3. Pharmaqo Anavar - So as I just mentioned above, I plan to use that Pharmaqo Anavar this current cycle at 40mg/day the last 7 weeks or I could go 50mg/day for the last 6 weeks. I'm open for discussions. Name of the game for me is moderation. I'm 46 years old and just doing this for fun, a hobby if you will. So I don't want to get greedy. That's why I'm forcing myself to cap the testosterone at 300mg/week and resist the temptation to go 400!
4. Pharmaqo Test Cyp 200mg/ml - this is my stash for another 12 week cycle next spring.

Edit: Ordered that MK677 from umbrella labs yesterday.

 

[LevButlerov]

It's a US Pharmacy grade testosterone so I wasn't super concerned with quality, at least not until you are making me paranoid. LOL. It's just cypionate dispensed from a pharmacy in the US.

That said, I already bought my supplies to do another 12 week blast next spring after I finish that half ironman I mentioned. That will be a fun cycle because I should be starting super lean coming off the 3-4 month triathlon training. See pics of what I just got in mail today. I'm still waiting on my Clomid that I ordered for PCT and will have to get my hands on some HCG before I start but I months to get all my gear in order.

EDIT: I mispoke, that pharmaqo anavar is for this current 12 week cycle (he one i'm on now that i'm about to enter my third week of 300mg cyp/week). That Test Cyp pictured is my stash for the next 12 week cycle in spring 2026.

@LevButlerov More gear pic I got in the mail today.

1. Sarm Research Cardarine (GW501516): I plan to use this during the last 6-8 weeks leading up to my half ironman in march. That will cover me for the peak phase of my training.

2. Omega Lab Anavar 10mg/tab - jury is out on whether I keep this, trash it, sell for cheap or give away. This was an impulse buy when I got back online last week after 8 years and didn't know where to start to find a source. A guy on another forum smooth talked me and after further research, it seems Omega Lab might be kind of a crap brand. @Mobster suggested I get it tested before doing any brash decisions. STill researching how to do that.

3. Pharmaqo Anavar - So as I just mentioned above, I plan to use that Pharmaqo Anavar this current cycle at 40mg/day the last 7 weeks or I could go 50mg/day for the last 6 weeks. I'm open for discussions. Name of the game for me is moderation. I'm 46 years old and just doing this for fun, a hobby if you will. So I don't want to get greedy. That's why I'm forcing myself to cap the testosterone at 300mg/week and resist the temptation to go 400!
4. Pharmaqo Test Cyp 200mg/ml - this is my stash for another 12 week cycle next spring.

Edit: Ordered that MK677 from umbrella labs yesterday.

@texas.redneck
1) sarms research is out of business for a reason, the sarms are bunk. Total trash they got shut down.
2) Omega labs I wouldn't trust, total hit or miss likely prohormones or dbol.
3) Anavar who did you get the pharmaqo anavar from?
4) same question for test cyp?
5) mk677 nutrobal good pick to get it from umbrella

 

[texas.redneck]

1) sarms research is out of business for a reason, the sarms are bunk. Total trash they got shut down.

well wish I new that before I did the umbrella labs order! Then I would have just added that to the order. The answer to question #3 and #4 is one of your buddies on Evo who I trust, or did trust till you told me about Sarms research! LOL.

 

[texas.redneck]

2) Omega labs I wouldn't trust, total hit or miss likely prohormones or dbol.

I think the Omega anavar is going in the trash. Just too questionable from everything i've found on it.

I also got some Deus Medical Anavar as backup. I know it's not as beloved a brand as Pharmaqo, but I think it is legit. I know Napsgear sells Deus on their website.

 

[LevButlerov]

well wish I new that before I did the umbrella labs order! Then I would have just added that to the order. The answer to question #3 and #4 is one of your buddies on Evo who I trust, or did trust till you told me about Sarms research! LOL.

@texas.redneck who exactly did you get the anavar from? lol source.

 

[LevButlerov]

I think the Omega anavar is going in the trash. Just too questionable from everything i've found on it.

I also got some Deus Medical Anavar as backup. I know it's not as beloved a brand as Pharmaqo, but I think it is legit. I know Napsgear sells Deus on their website.

I wouldn't get it from Napsgear for now.
and Omega is total trash!

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck who exactly did you get the anavar from? lol source

I will say he has even more of those fancy labels under his username than you do - veteran moderator, head moderator, senior moderator, and a bunch more stamps or whatever you all call them.

 

[texas.redneck]

Here's an update for nearing the end of week 2. My Hypertrophy program is 4 days running from Saturday to Thursday. Nothing that exciting here. Making some gains but all these are a result of me is just adding 2 more lifting days and dropping cycling from my routine. Just getting my usual strength back.

I had chat GPT do the summary again:

Week 2 Update – Training & Cycle Recap

Cycle Status:

• Compound: Testosterone Cypionate – 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split 100 mg each)
• Start Date: 7/28/25 – ~2 weeks in
• Build-Up: Levels still ramping toward steady state (~Week 4)
• Weight Trend:
  
  • Start of cycle (7/28): 197.0 lb
  • Today (8/10): 201.8 lb (+4.8 lb from start)
  • Gain still consistent with glycogen/water from creatine + early cycle effects
• Other: No estrogen sides so far; haven’t needed AI. Libido, mood, and energy all normal.
  

---

Training Recap:
Program = 4-day hypertrophy split + 2x swim + weighted vest walks.
Rotation: Upper A → Lower A → Upper B → Lower B (Sat–Thu).
(Trainer ride = cycling.)

This week:

• Lifting: 4 sessions – completed all main lifts with minor substitutions for biceps injury.
• Swimming: 2x (1650 yd, 1500 yd @ ~50 min each) – shoulders pumped but no injury.
• Conditioning: 4 x 1–1.5 mile weighted vest walks (12 lb).
• Prehab: Back prehab warm-up + biceps rehab work after Lower A/B.

Notable substitutions due to biceps tendon issue:

• Replaced all pulling/curling movements with pressing or rear delt fly variations.
• Kept RDL, lower body, and core movements unchanged.

---

Performance Notes (actual Week 1 → Week 2 jumps):

• Barbell Bench Press: 155 → 160 lb, locked 10 reps across all sets this week.
• Paused Incline DB Press (30°): 40×8 → 45×9 on all sets (+5 lb and +1 rep/set).
• Leg Press: 230 → 270 lb on working sets (big load jump, solid control). *NOTE: This is not that rail leg press that's super easy to just load up a ton of plates. It's a different kind that's on a pivot thing.*
• High-Incline DB Press: later sets 50 → 60 lb for 2×10 clean reps.
• Bulgarian Split Squat: 35 lb stayed, +2 reps/set (8 → 10 each set).

---

Overall:

• Workouts felt smoother than Week 1 — weights moving easier, quicker recovery between sessions.
• No excessive DOMS; energy levels solid through the whole week.
• Sticking to substitutions one more week for biceps; aim to reintroduce pulling gradually in Weeks 4–5.

Next Week:

• Keep training structure the same.
• Tuesday AM = Sweet Spot trainer ride (cycling), PM = Upper B lift (allow 5–6 hrs + a meal between).
• Maintain swimming volume but be ready to drop to 1 swim if fatigue creeps in.

 

[texas.redneck]

Pic from 8.8.2025 that goes with the above update.

Last week pic is below for comparison. I got tan in above pic because I washed my car with shirt off recently.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Here's an update for nearing the end of week 2. My Hypertrophy program is 4 days running from Saturday to Thursday. Nothing that exciting here. Making some gains but all these are a result of me is just adding 2 more lifting days and dropping cycling from my routine. Just getting my usual strength back.

I had chat GPT do the summary again:

Week 2 Update – Training & Cycle Recap

Cycle Status:

• Compound: Testosterone Cypionate – 300 mg/week (Sun/Tue/Thu split 100 mg each)
• Start Date: 7/28/25 – ~2 weeks in
• Build-Up: Levels still ramping toward steady state (~Week 4)
• Weight Trend:
  • Start of cycle (7/28): 197.0 lb
  • Today (8/10): 201.8 lb (+4.8 lb from start)
  • Gain still consistent with glycogen/water from creatine + early cycle effects
• Other: No estrogen sides so far; haven’t needed AI. Libido, mood, and energy all normal.

---

Training Recap:
Program = 4-day hypertrophy split + 2x swim + weighted vest walks.
Rotation: Upper A → Lower A → Upper B → Lower B (Sat–Thu).
(Trainer ride = cycling.)

This week:

• Lifting: 4 sessions – completed all main lifts with minor substitutions for biceps injury.
• Swimming: 2x (1650 yd, 1500 yd @ ~50 min each) – shoulders pumped but no injury.
• Conditioning: 4 x 1–1.5 mile weighted vest walks (12 lb).
• Prehab: Back prehab warm-up + biceps rehab work after Lower A/B.

Notable substitutions due to biceps tendon issue:

• Replaced all pulling/curling movements with pressing or rear delt fly variations.
• Kept RDL, lower body, and core movements unchanged.

---

Performance Notes (actual Week 1 → Week 2 jumps):

• Barbell Bench Press: 155 → 160 lb, locked 10 reps across all sets this week.
• Paused Incline DB Press (30°): 40×8 → 45×9 on all sets (+5 lb and +1 rep/set).
• Leg Press: 230 → 270 lb on working sets (big load jump, solid control). *NOTE: This is not that rail leg press that's super easy to just load up a ton of plates. It's a different kind that's on a pivot thing.*
• High-Incline DB Press: later sets 50 → 60 lb for 2×10 clean reps.
• Bulgarian Split Squat: 35 lb stayed, +2 reps/set (8 → 10 each set).

---

Overall:

• Workouts felt smoother than Week 1 — weights moving easier, quicker recovery between sessions.
• No excessive DOMS; energy levels solid through the whole week.
• Sticking to substitutions one more week for biceps; aim to reintroduce pulling gradually in Weeks 4–5.

Next Week:

• Keep training structure the same.
• Tuesday AM = Sweet Spot trainer ride (cycling), PM = Upper B lift (allow 5–6 hrs + a meal between).
• Maintain swimming volume but be ready to drop to 1 swim if fatigue creeps in.

@texas.redneck i like the swimming for training gets you that range

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actually i see real progress there brother top pic you look leaner and bigger

 

[stevesmi]

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good job posting up the pics. once you get rolling with your endurance work then look out! you are going to be a beast! @texas.redneck

 

[texas.redneck]

good job posting up the pics. once you get rolling with your endurance work then look out! you are going to be a beast! @texas.redneck

I didn't feel too great about completely dropping cycling (bicycling not cycles) till November while I do this hypertrophy block knowing I am already committed to that Half Ironman in March which is very early in the season for triathletes. It's actually the first race of the season. So I'm going to add back a day of bicycling starting next week. I think with the extra little bit of umph from the testosterone I can work a morning trainer ride in on my Upper body B day. I will do the trainer ride first thing in the morning then lift at lunch or after work after I've had 5+ hours and a couple meals in between.

 

[stevesmi]

Ironman no joke. I used to do triathlons. Fun stuff. Always regretted during my race not training enough

 

[texas.redneck]

Just for fun talk, what do you all like for my spring 2026 cycle? So this will be coming off 12-16 weeks of the triathlon training (lots of running and swimming) so I'll be starting out super lean. I was doing some research and thinking it might be a good time to try Masteron?

I've never really experimented much beyond testosterone. I'm looking at my previous cycle notes and doesn't look like I've ever stacked another injectable. I've only done Tbol finishers and propitionate starters before.

 

[BodyMonster34]

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bro you got a nice prison physique. @texas.redneck but to be true texas redneck we need to see trailer and outhouse. that look like a house to me

 

[Mobster]

Top of for car washing... meanwhile female neighors watching lol

 

[ROIDDERS]

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nice job getting a bit of a natural tan. @texas.redneck can def tell why you call yourself a texas redneck . gotta check that neck after time in the sun lol

 

[ceo]

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bros you look good here. nice base to work with. next step for you is gonna be improving little by little. will be big changes over time @texas.redneck

 

[2Thick]

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@texas.redneck very nice work man. your physique is looking terrific! i think you have room to improve and you will ! lets KILL THIS!

 

[Ulter]

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make sure you work on lowering body fat. that iwll help. conditioning is #1 objective for you @texas.redneck

 

[texas.redneck]

I keep getting antsy like I need to add something to this cycle to spice things up. I feel good at the 300mg of test. It’s nice and smooth not like when I was on 400 and 500. It’s too late to start EQ. Tomorrow is start of week 3. Anyone got a suggestion or just stay my course of 300mg/week Test and have fun with the Anavar on the back end?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I keep getting antsy like I need to add something to this cycle to spice things up. I feel good at the 300mg of test. It’s nice and smooth not like when I was on 400 and 500. It’s too late to start EQ. Tomorrow is start of week 3. Anyone got a suggestion or just stay my course of 300mg/week Test and have fun with the Anavar on the back end?

why too late to start EQ? you can start EQ now and just add 2 weeks to the cycle no issues @texas.redneck

 

[texas.redneck]

why too late to start EQ? you can start EQ now and just add 2 weeks to the cycle no issues @texas.redneck

Anything I do now will be too knee jerk, like not well planned out. I need to just chill and stick with this current plan. It will get more exciting when I start annavar.

I need to carefully plan out my spring 2026 carefully. I like the idea of EQ but every where I read says EQ really needs to be a long 16 week cycle and by the time PCT is done it’s 20+ weeks. For that reason I was leaning towards Primo. What do you think?

 

[texas.redneck]

why too late to start EQ? you can start EQ now and just add 2 weeks to the cycle no issues @texas.redneck

For future reference can I do EQ for just 12 weeks? I keep reading that it needs to be 16 weeks minimum because it takes so long to build up than you can’t even start pct after last injection for like 5 weeks so the complete cycle beginning to end turns into like a 20+ week cycle.

 

[texas.redneck]

make sure you work on lowering body fat. that iwll help. conditioning is #1 objective for you @texas.redneck

I’ve never really purposely tried to loose weight before. Besides cutting out desert what’s another minor tweak I could do with my diet? Something easy like just skip carbs for dinner.

I’ve always my whole life hung out in the 10-14% bf range. What you see in above pics is pretty much me all the time. Leaner when I add in running. I dropped to 6% in 2022 when I did my Ironman but that was obviously a one off event. And I stopped running then because too hard on my degenerative disc. (Not that I was much of a runner before that. The Ironman was my first annd only marathon). The Only reason I signed up for this Half Ironman in March is just cause it’s 10 min from my house. Literally the lake it’s in I can get there to the transition area in 10 minutes.

But dieting or working out to loose weight just never been a thing. I hang around between 190-200 for last 20 years.

 

[texas.redneck]

Top of for car washing... meanwhile female neighors watching lol

I wish.

 

[texas.redneck]

@stevesmi @LevButlerov and anyone else,

Looking for ideas on a “bucket list” cycle to run next spring (2026). By bucket list, I mean finally stacking another injectable with testosterone — I’ve never done that before. I’ll have at least 15+ weeks off after my current cycle (the one this Log is about).

I’ll be coming off the Half Ironman in March, but won’t be doing any more running after that (too hard on my back). My plan is to stay in good overall shape and look solid for summer, with maybe some short aquabike races (just swim and bike) to keep active.

EQ keeps coming to mind, but I’m hung up on the long ester — I prefer to keep things around 12 weeks + 2 weeks off + 2 weeks PCT (16 week total).

Primo looks like a great general-purpose option, and while it’s expensive, I’m fine with that.

Other compounds seem geared more toward blowing up huge or getting stage-ready for bodybuilding, which isn’t my goal.

The other option is to just stick with what I’ve always done: Testosterone with an oral (Anavar or Tbol).

 

[LevButlerov]

I’ve never really purposely tried to loose weight before. Besides cutting out desert what’s another minor tweak I could do with my diet? Something easy like just skip carbs for dinner.

I’ve always my whole life hung out in the 10-14% bf range. What you see in above pics is pretty much me all the time. Leaner when I add in running. I dropped to 6% in 2022 when I did my Ironman but that was obviously a one off event. And I stopped running then because too hard on my degenerative disc. (Not that I was much of a runner before that. The Ironman was my first annd only marathon). The Only reason I signed up for this Half Ironman in March is just cause it’s 10 min from my house. Literally the lake it’s in I can get there to the transition area in 10 minutes.

But dieting or working out to loose weight just never been a thing. I hang around between 190-200 for last 20 years.

Always a time to get things going. You need to cut carbs and up the cardio thats the best.

@stevesmi @LevButlerov and anyone else,

Looking for ideas on a “bucket list” cycle to run next spring (2026). By bucket list, I mean finally stacking another injectable with testosterone — I’ve never done that before. I’ll have at least 15+ weeks off after my current cycle (the one this Log is about).

I’ll be coming off the Half Ironman in March, but won’t be doing any more running after that (too hard on my back). My plan is to stay in good overall shape and look solid for summer, with maybe some short aquabike races (just swim and bike) to keep active.

EQ keeps coming to mind, but I’m hung up on the long ester — I prefer to keep things around 12 weeks + 2 weeks off + 2 weeks PCT (16 week total).

Primo looks like a great general-purpose option, and while it’s expensive, I’m fine with that.

Other compounds seem geared more toward blowing up huge or getting stage-ready for bodybuilding, which isn’t my goal.

The other option is to just stick with what I’ve always done: Testosterone with an oral (Anavar or Tbol).

I think the only injectable you should stack is equipoise if you want to do it, Testosterone equipoise and anavar with some cardarine gw and n2guard for cycle support. It's the perfect stack and easy to do. @texas.redneck

 

[texas.redneck]

Always a time to get things going. You need to cut carbs and up the cardio thats the best.

I think the only injectable you should stack is equipoise if you want to do it, Testosterone equipoise and anavar with some cardarine gw and n2guard for cycle support. It's the perfect stack and easy to do. @texas.redneck

Thanks @LevButlerov

Is below how I can do it dealing with the long ester and keeping cycle around 12 weeks. And what do you think about those doses.

This front loads week one and week two with EQ than stops the EQ at week 8. See if this makes sense:

Weeks 1-2 (front load):

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• EQ 450 mg/week

Weeks 3-8:

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• EQ 300 mg/week

Weeks 9-12:

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• No EQ (dropped to allow clearance)

Weeks 13-14:

• No injections (clearance period)

Weeks 15-16 (PCT):

• Clomid 50 mg/day x 14 days

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks @LevButlerov

Is below how I can do it dealing with the long ester and keeping cycle around 12 weeks. And what do you think about those doses.

This front loads week one and week two with EQ than stops the EQ at week 8. See if this makes sense:

Weeks 1-2 (front load):

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• EQ 450 mg/week

Weeks 3-8:

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• EQ 300 mg/week

Weeks 9-12:

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• No EQ (dropped to allow clearance)

Weeks 13-14:

• No injections (clearance period)

Weeks 15-16 (PCT):

• Clomid 50 mg/day x 14 days

Front loading EQ is not necessary, it's an old broscience myth actually. @texas.redneck

Is below how I can do it dealing with the long ester and keeping cycle around 12 weeks. And what do you think about those doses.

Can you clarify why you want to be so specific to 12 weeks? and need "clearance"?

No EQ (dropped to allow clearance)

 

[texas.redneck]

Can you clarify why you want to be so specific to 12 weeks? and need "clearance"?

You know how with Test Cyp or Test E, you typically wait about 2 weeks after your last injection before starting Clomid PCT? With EQ, the ester is so long that you have to wait more like 4–5 weeks before starting PCT. That’s why I keep reading people say EQ isn’t worth running for less than a 16-week cycle — it builds up so slowly that shorter runs don’t give you much time at full saturation.

 

[LevButlerov]

You know how with Test Cyp or Test E, you typically wait about 2 weeks after your last injection before starting Clomid PCT? With EQ, the ester is so long that you have to wait more like 4–5 weeks before starting PCT. That’s why I keep reading people say EQ isn’t worth running for less than a 16-week cycle — it builds up so slowly that shorter runs don’t give you much time at full saturation.

There is no need to have 12 weeks, you can easily do a 16 week cycle. @texas.redneck

Weeks 1-2 (front load):

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• EQ 450 mg/week

Weeks 3-8:

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• EQ 300 mg/week

Weeks 9-12:

• Test C/E 300 mg/week
• No EQ (dropped to allow clearance)

Weeks 13-14:

• No injections (clearance period)

Cycle Redo

Week 1-2
testosterone cypionate 200mgs/week split dose 2
equipoise 200mgs/week split dose 2
aromasin 5mgs/week anti e
n2guard 7caps ed organ liver cycle support

week 3-4
testosterone cypionate 200mgs/week split dose 2
equipoise 300mgs/week split dose 2
aromasin 5mgs/week anti e
n2guard 7caps ed organ liver cycle support

week 4-8
testosterone cypionate 300mgs/week split dose 2
equipoise 400mgs/week split dose 2
aromasin 5mgs/2 x week anti e
n2guard 7caps ed organ liver cycle support
cardarine gw (cardio fat loss) 10mgs ed

week 9-16
testosterone cypionate 400mgs/week split dose 2
equipoise 400mgs/week split dose 2
aromasin 5mgs/mon/wed/fri anti e
n2guard 7caps ed organ liver cycle support
cardarine gw (cardio fat loss) 10mgs ed

Weeks 15-16 (PCT):

• Clomid 50 mg/day x 14 days

this pct wont work, you will NOT recover with clomid only. Fact.
How about going into TRT instead of pCT?

 

[texas.redneck]

There is no need to have 12 weeks, you can easily do a 16 week cycle. @texas.redneck


Cycle Redo

Week 1-2
testosterone cypionate 200mgs/week split dose 2
equipoise 200mgs/week split dose 2
aromasin 5mgs/week anti e
n2guard 7caps ed organ liver cycle support

week 3-4
testosterone cypionate 200mgs/week split dose 2
equipoise 300mgs/week split dose 2
aromasin 5mgs/week anti e
n2guard 7caps ed organ liver cycle support

week 4-8
testosterone cypionate 300mgs/week split dose 2
equipoise 400mgs/week split dose 2
aromasin 5mgs/2 x week anti e
n2guard 7caps ed organ liver cycle support
cardarine gw (cardio fat loss) 10mgs ed

week 9-16
testosterone cypionate 400mgs/week split dose 2
equipoise 400mgs/week split dose 2
aromasin 5mgs/mon/wed/fri anti e
n2guard 7caps ed organ liver cycle support
cardarine gw (cardio fat loss) 10mgs ed


this pct wont work, you will NOT recover with clomid only. Fact.
How about going into TRT instead of pCT?

I only want 12 weeks, that’s my question. How do I make EQ work in just 12 weeks (15 if you count PCT). I do not want to commit to a 16 week cycle (20 if you count PCT).

What PCT protocol do you like? Clomid worked fine for me in the past. I have labs 3 months after a 400mg week cycle that shows my free test and total test were right back to pre cycle levels. It’s possible I also took nolvadex.

 

[texas.redneck]

How about going into TRT instead of pCT?

And I don’t want to commit to TRT. I’m happy with my once a year cycle or so.

 

[LevButlerov]

I only want 12 weeks, that’s my question. How do I make EQ work in just 12 weeks (15 if you count PCT). I do not want to commit to a 16 week cycle (20 if you count PCT).

@texas.redneck You can do 12 weeks, just cut down the last 16 week part I gave you, but I still don't get why 12, can you explain please?

What PCT protocol do you like? Clomid worked fine for me in the past. I have labs 3 months after a 400mg week cycle that shows my free test and total test were right back to pre cycle levels. It’s possible I also took nolvadex.

Please share the labs and time after the cycle that you did them.

And I don’t want to commit to TRT. I’m happy with my once a year cycle or so.

Thats reasonable.

 

[texas.redneck]

Please share the labs and time after the cycle that you did them.

Man I don’t remember all the details but here’s a picture of my spreadsheet. You can see in the column 12/29/16 I’m smack in the middle of 400mg test cycle and see where my free testosterone is off the charts at >50. Then go to the April 2017 column right next to that and see where I was right back to where I was in April 2016.

But maybe I had done nolvadex too. When you say Clomid would never work what did you mean and what would you do? Or did you just mean I needed to do Nolvadex too and HCG? I always take HCG through my whole cycles. I haven’t had to do PCT in years so might have just forgot but I don’t have a problem doing full Clomid, nolvadex, and HCG protocol if that’s all you meant.

 

[LevButlerov]

Man I don’t remember all the details but here’s a picture of my spreadsheet. You can see in the column 12/29/16 I’m smack in the middle of 400mg test cycle and see where my free testosterone is off the charts at >50. Then go to the April 2017 column right next to that and see where I was right back to where I was in April 2016.

You should have the old bloods in the labs please check @texas.redneck and what you shared says nothing, no LH FSH shbg (later) no prolactin and even e2 missing later. These aren't numbers that show recover, especially is super low. @texas.redneck

 

[LevButlerov]

But maybe I had done nolvadex too. When you say Clomid would never work what did you mean and what would you do? Or did you just mean I needed to do Nolvadex too and HCG? I always take HCG through my whole cycles. I haven’t had to do PCT in years so might have just forgot but I don’t have a problem doing full Clomid, nolvadex, and HCG protocol if that’s all you meant.

Clomid alone doesn't work, HCG is estrogenic.
You're looking at something like this -
Clomid
Nolvadex
HCGenerate (https://www.hcgenerate.com)
N2guard (https://n2guard.com)
Aromasin
Cardarine GW

 

[texas.redneck]

@texas.redneck You can do 12 weeks, just cut down the last 16 week part I gave you, but I still don't get why 12, can you explain please?

How many weeks after the last injection of EQ can I start the PCT protocol (i.e., take my first dose of Clomid and Nolvadex)? You may have answered that already but it wasn't super clear to me. Is it just the standard two weeks after last EQ injection because I thought it might have been longer to let EQ clear system. If I'm just super clear on this point I can figure out the rest. Thanks,

 

[texas.redneck]

HCGenerate (https://www.hcgenerate.com)
N2guard (https://n2guard.com)

I also have all the key ingredients of these two supplements covered in my current supplement stack, in better doses and higher quality. Except for the TUDCA and Milk Thistle, which I planned to take when I started on Anavar.

I also paused the Tongkat Ali and Boron when I started Testosterone and planned to start again after cycle.

The only thing that I do not have accounted for is L-Carnitine L-Tartrate. I'll look into adding that.

I'm not a big fan of supplements that look like an Andro 400 commercial and have a bunch of underdosed "label decoration" items in it.

I had Chat GPT compare HCGenerate and N2guard to my current stack:

ChatGPT's comparison to current supplement stack as follows:
Got it — I went through N2Guard and HCGenerate and pulled only the ingredients with solid, evidence-based value for your current 300 mg test + Anavar cycle, ignoring the fluff/low-dose fillers. I also checked which ones you’re already covering with your current supplement stack.

---

N2Guard – Key Useful Ingredients​

(Skipping underdosed or “label decoration” items)

• Vitamin C (250 mg) – Already covered (you have Vitamin C in your stack; yours may even be a higher dose and better absorbed if you choose liposomal).
• Vitamin D (2.5 mcg / 100 IU) – Very low here; you already have Vitamin D in your regimen at a more meaningful dose.
• B vitamins – Already covered by your multivitamin.
• Zinc (15 mg) – Already in your stack at 15 mg; timing matters more than adding more.
• Boron (20 mg) – Already covered.
• CoQ10 (10 mg) – You’re already taking it (likely at a higher and more effective dose).
• Omega-3 fish oil (15 mg EPA/DHA) – Very low here; you’re already taking a proper dose in your Omega-3 supplement.
• Selenium (25 mcg) – Covered by your multi.
• L-Carnitine Tartrate (350 mg) – This is a performance and recovery support amino; not currently in your regimen. [will look into this]
• Milk Thistle Seed Extract (75 mg) – Liver support; not in your current stack but could be beneficial, especially with Anavar’s liver stress. [As I noted above, planned to start with Anavar]
• Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid (TUDCA, 250 mg) – Excellent for liver protection on oral cycles; not in your current stack. [As I noted above, planned to start with Anavar]
• Soy Lecithin (75 mg) – Already covered; you take sunflower lecithin in higher amounts.

---

HCGenerate – Key Useful Ingredients​

• Zinc (7 mg) – Already covered by your multi and zinc supplement.
• Fadogia Agrestis (1000 mg) – Some anecdotal use for libido/test support; human data is limited. You’re not taking it currently.
• Fenugreek Extract (1000 mg) – Libido and possible glucose control; not currently in your regimen.
• 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran (stinging nettle extract) – Possible free testosterone boost by binding SHBG; not in your stack.
• Tribulus Terrestris (500 mg) – Mostly libido; very weak testosterone evidence.
• Tongkat Ali (100 mg) – Already in your stack.
• Boron (5 mg) – Already covered at higher dose in your regimen.

---

Main Takeaways​

• Already Covered in Your Stack: Vitamin C, Vitamin D, B vitamins, Zinc, Boron, CoQ10, Omega-3, Selenium, Lecithin, Tongkat.
• Not Covered but Worth Considering for Cycle Support:
  
  1. TUDCA (250 mg daily) – One of the best additions for protecting liver health during oral steroid use. [As I noted above, planned to start with Anavar]
  2. Milk Thistle (standardized extract) – Mild liver antioxidant support; secondary to TUDCA. [As I noted above, planned to start with Anavar]
  3. L-Carnitine L-Tartrate – May help recovery, muscle oxygenation, and androgen receptor density; safe and well-studied.[As I noted above, will look into this]
• HCGenerate’s “test booster” herbs are mostly libido-focused; with you already on 300 mg test/week, they won’t boost testosterone meaningfully but could support sexual performance if you like the extra push.

 

[Ulter]

I’ve never really purposely tried to loose weight before. Besides cutting out desert what’s another minor tweak I could do with my diet? Something easy like just skip carbs for dinner.

I’ve always my whole life hung out in the 10-14% bf range. What you see in above pics is pretty much me all the time. Leaner when I add in running. I dropped to 6% in 2022 when I did my Ironman but that was obviously a one off event. And I stopped running then because too hard on my degenerative disc. (Not that I was much of a runner before that. The Ironman was my first annd only marathon). The Only reason I signed up for this Half Ironman in March is just cause it’s 10 min from my house. Literally the lake it’s in I can get there to the transition area in 10 minutes.

But dieting or working out to loose weight just never been a thing. I hang around between 190-200 for last 20 years.

i hear ya man. but it helps to be lean

 

[ballin2504]

Pic from 8.8.2025 that goes with the above update.
View attachment 109583


Last week pic is below for comparison. I got tan in above pic because I washed my car with shirt off recently.

View attachment 109584

@texas.redneck definitely making good progress man. Keep pushing and you’ll be where you want to be before long

 

[texas.redneck]

i hear ya man. but it helps to be lean

I have done Keto in the past for like a month and that really leaned me out. I could always do that but it's just such a hassle.

 

[Ulter]

I have done Keto in the past for like a month and that really leaned me out. I could always do that but it's just such a hassle.

you should look into the GLP'1s. they are pricey but they work great.

 

[LevButlerov]

I also have all the key ingredients of these two supplements covered in my current supplement stack, in better doses and higher quality. Except for the TUDCA and Milk Thistle, which I planned to take when I started on Anavar.

I also paused the Tongkat Ali and Boron when I started Testosterone and planned to start again after cycle.

The only thing that I do not have accounted for is L-Carnitine L-Tartrate. I'll look into adding that.

I'm not a big fan of supplements that look like an Andro 400 commercial and have a bunch of underdosed "label decoration" items in it.

I had Chat GPT compare HCGenerate and N2guard to my current stack:

ChatGPT's comparison to current supplement stack as follows:
Got it — I went through N2Guard and HCGenerate and pulled only the ingredients with solid, evidence-based value for your current 300 mg test + Anavar cycle, ignoring the fluff/low-dose fillers. I also checked which ones you’re already covering with your current supplement stack.

---

N2Guard – Key Useful Ingredients​

(Skipping underdosed or “label decoration” items)

• Vitamin C (250 mg) – Already covered (you have Vitamin C in your stack; yours may even be a higher dose and better absorbed if you choose liposomal).
• Vitamin D (2.5 mcg / 100 IU) – Very low here; you already have Vitamin D in your regimen at a more meaningful dose.
• B vitamins – Already covered by your multivitamin.
• Zinc (15 mg) – Already in your stack at 15 mg; timing matters more than adding more.
• Boron (20 mg) – Already covered.
• CoQ10 (10 mg) – You’re already taking it (likely at a higher and more effective dose).
• Omega-3 fish oil (15 mg EPA/DHA) – Very low here; you’re already taking a proper dose in your Omega-3 supplement.
• Selenium (25 mcg) – Covered by your multi.
• L-Carnitine Tartrate (350 mg) – This is a performance and recovery support amino; not currently in your regimen. [will look into this]
• Milk Thistle Seed Extract (75 mg) – Liver support; not in your current stack but could be beneficial, especially with Anavar’s liver stress. [As I noted above, planned to start with Anavar]
• Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid (TUDCA, 250 mg) – Excellent for liver protection on oral cycles; not in your current stack. [As I noted above, planned to start with Anavar]
• Soy Lecithin (75 mg) – Already covered; you take sunflower lecithin in higher amounts.

---

HCGenerate – Key Useful Ingredients​

• Zinc (7 mg) – Already covered by your multi and zinc supplement.
• Fadogia Agrestis (1000 mg) – Some anecdotal use for libido/test support; human data is limited. You’re not taking it currently.
• Fenugreek Extract (1000 mg) – Libido and possible glucose control; not currently in your regimen.
• 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran (stinging nettle extract) – Possible free testosterone boost by binding SHBG; not in your stack.
• Tribulus Terrestris (500 mg) – Mostly libido; very weak testosterone evidence.
• Tongkat Ali (100 mg) – Already in your stack.
• Boron (5 mg) – Already covered at higher dose in your regimen.

---

Main Takeaways​

• Already Covered in Your Stack: Vitamin C, Vitamin D, B vitamins, Zinc, Boron, CoQ10, Omega-3, Selenium, Lecithin, Tongkat.
• Not Covered but Worth Considering for Cycle Support:
  1. TUDCA (250 mg daily) – One of the best additions for protecting liver health during oral steroid use. [As I noted above, planned to start with Anavar]
  2. Milk Thistle (standardized extract) – Mild liver antioxidant support; secondary to TUDCA. [As I noted above, planned to start with Anavar]
  3. L-Carnitine L-Tartrate – May help recovery, muscle oxygenation, and androgen receptor density; safe and well-studied.[As I noted above, will look into this]
• HCGenerate’s “test booster” herbs are mostly libido-focused; with you already on 300 mg test/week, they won’t boost testosterone meaningfully but could support sexual performance if you like the extra push.

Listen can you stop giving me chatgpt copy and paste, that's an ai it's not a person. It doesn't have any steroid experience, @texas.redneck its just a computer.
And its all wrong on the advice and dangerous.
You don't need key ingredients, you need total of the 40 ingredients to get to where you want to go.

 

[LevButlerov]

How many weeks after the last injection of EQ can I start the PCT protocol (i.e., take my first dose of Clomid and Nolvadex)? You may have answered that already but it wasn't super clear to me. Is it just the standard two weeks after last EQ injection because I thought it might have been longer to let EQ clear system. If I'm just super clear on this point I can figure out the rest. Thanks,

Depends really. It's going to depend on how this log goes.
I still don't get why you have a 12 week limit is that chatgpt again?

 

[Noah Wixx]

Pic from 8.8.2025 that goes with the above update.
View attachment 109583


Last week pic is below for comparison. I got tan in above pic because I washed my car with shirt off recently.

View attachment 109584

Definitely seeing improvement

 

[texas.redneck]

Depends really. It's going to depend on how this log goes.
I still don't get why you have a 12 week limit is that chatgpt again?

It’s because that’s the longest I’m comfortable with! I’m not on TRT and I don’t plan to ever be, so 12 weeks is the longest I want to surpress my natural testosterone before bringing it back. 12 weeks once a year and I’m good. I just like to have my fun. Why is this so unusual now a days? 12 weeks used to be fairly standard I thought. Maybe things have changed.