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HCG is Dangerous!

I've never seen a point in hcg. It mimics LH to cause the testes to temporarily start testosterone production again. That's wonderful. But it also causes your body to stop LH production, which would lead to further issues down the line. Hcg is a temporary fix, at best.
 
Vidocq said:
I've never seen a point in hcg. It mimics LH to cause the testes to temporarily start testosterone production again. That's wonderful. But it also causes your body to stop LH production, which would lead to further issues down the line. Hcg is a temporary fix, at best.
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only point is it keeps your nuts plump during cycle. and it primes them for pct.

other than that people who think hcg someone helps them recover have no clue.. just internet parroting

it delays recovery, it doesn't speed it up.. major no-no during pct

hcgenerate and ES are what you can use during pct, not hcg drug
 
That's a great read wolfpack, and that's why I stay away from hcg. Hcgenerate Es is the way to go for proper recovery in pct
 
Your right lots of guys don't realize how string hcg really is. .. you can very gyno very easy and can shut yourself down and not even realize great article bro
 
Thaidragon said:
Nice article. I didn't realize it had all those effects. I thought hcg was a good thing to run during cycle.
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it suppresses LH, FSH

boosts T and estrogen

you can run it during cycle but its horrible for pct or off cycle
 
It keeps your gonads from becoming peas on cycle, which is a good thing, right? Otherwise the sides are no worse than AAS, if I'm not mistaken.

This main effect seems useful IMO. The "eeeeewwwww!!!" factor doesn't affect me. Some of the supplements and medicines I've taken come from some pretty weird places.
 
I can't use hcg on cycle because it gives me horrid cystic acne. Do you guys think an hcg blast is counter productive? I know it's suppressive but a fairly low dosed blast would just get your nuts primed and ready...correct?
 
HCG is not dangerous. It has pros and cons . If you are cruising on AAS or TRT for a while and want to come off you can run HCG to get your T levels bck up if for example you are trying to have a kid and been on AAS for a while you can run HCG successfully and have zero sides . It's in moderation . I don't recommend it during any cycle and every1 should not cycle on and off Test you should stay on test for life and cycle other AAS such as deca, tren, win, halo, . You will keep your gains and over time have better muscle gains bc you won't b sending your body on a roller coaster. Test run for life great results with staying on
 
musclefreak954 said:
HCG is not dangerous. It has pros and cons . If you are cruising on AAS or TRT for a while and want to come off you can run HCG to get your T levels bck up if for example you are trying to have a kid and been on AAS for a while you can run HCG successfully and have zero sides . It's in moderation . I don't recommend it during any cycle and every1 should not cycle on and off Test you should stay on test for life and cycle other AAS such as deca, tren, win, halo, . You will keep your gains and over time have better muscle gains bc you won't b sending your body on a roller coaster. Test run for life great results with staying on
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saying that people should never come off test is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of man. you only stay on if you need to. cycling is called cycling for a reason. you cycle on and off. you can't tell me that by never coming off you're not going to have issues when you're older? whoever reads this i hope you disregard this and run anabolics properly by utilizing off time
 
Bad Juju said:
saying that people should never come off test is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of man. you only stay on if you need to. cycling is called cycling for a reason. you cycle on and off. you can't tell me that by never coming off you're not going to have issues when you're older? whoever reads this i hope you disregard this and run anabolics properly by utilizing off time
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First off you are not knowledgeable and if your Avatar is your pic of you it speaks for itself as inexperienced in the game. If you read and Been in the club for a while you would know that cycling is what causes sides bc you throw your hormonal levels up and dwn and shock your body, so staying on test while cycling other AAS is wise to keep your gains and cruising will not just maintain your gains but also over all well being . You do not need to come off test and cycling is ok when you say incorporate Tren, deca, mast, Winn etc then once you run that in your Test regime then cycle off and stay on Test and it will also give your receptor s time to clear out too.
 
Dangerous?? Okay let's bring it down a knotch


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liv2pb said:
I can't use hcg on cycle because it gives me horrid cystic acne. Do you guys think an hcg blast is counter productive? I know it's suppressive but a fairly low dosed blast would just get your nuts primed and ready...correct?
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Only if IN PCT. This isn't rocket science guys. I don't understand all the confusion. HCG may boost test but it shuts down LEUTENIZING HORMONE or LH. The blast before PCT is to "tickle" your HTPA and get it ready to make more of it's own natural. LH. HCG mimics LH and is taken by some on cycle to keep your balls from going too long unstimulated by LH. So we trick it with HCG to tell your body "on deck" for those of you who are baseball fans.

The little known fact is that it doesn't start making natural LH until HCG is gone from the system as well so we do it right before all the AAS is out of your system because you're not going to make natural hormone with it still in the blood anyway. I feel like that's clear as crystal but if it doesn't make sense to anyone my inbox is open.


The VENOMpharma courses through my veins daily... Need a reference?
 
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musclefreak954 said:
First off you are not knowledgeable and if your Avatar is your pic of you it speaks for itself as inexperienced in the game. If you read and Been in the club for a while you would know that cycling is what causes sides bc you throw your hormonal levels up and dwn and shock your body, so staying on test while cycling other AAS is wise to keep your gains and cruising will not just maintain your gains but also over all well being . You do not need to come off test and cycling is ok when you say incorporate Tren, deca, mast, Winn etc then once you run that in your Test regime then cycle off and stay on Test and it will also give your receptor s time to clear out too.
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You got a pic to post? Cruising to keep gains is not only fucking stupid, it's ridiculous and unnecessary to most. Proper PCT is what you use to keep from this "shock" you mentioned. Allowing your natural system to recuperate between cycles is the proper way to do, dude, not "cruising", which can cause long-term and permanent damage to your entire endocrine system. Many times, with many people, cruising, or regular TRT is necessary. Using this tactic to keep gains and hold onto a pumped physique is just plain simply moronic.
 
I do actually . Test is ok to b on for life at 500mg a week is ok broken up into 2 shots like Mon and Fri .. I 've competed and placed in Ohio state NPC heavy weight 6th place and in Cal for Mr Cal placed 4 th place Ty .. so may b this is a all natural board I'm a bit confused as to many guys are so against AAS. . AAS are not bad do not kill and are safe to use with being done under a DR s care wher blood wrk is being done . So why don't you research some more and see you can be on test safely for life with out cycling . Off no need to only other AAS such as deca, win, mast, tren etc.
 
Mattdogg said:
You got a pic to post? Cruising to keep gains is not only fucking stupid, it's ridiculous and unnecessary to most. Proper PCT is what you use to keep from this "shock" you mentioned. Allowing your natural system to recuperate between cycles is the proper way to do, dude, not "cruising", which can cause long-term and permanent damage to your entire endocrine system. Many times, with many people, cruising, or regular TRT is necessary. Using this tactic to keep gains and hold onto a pumped physique is just plain simply moronic.
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I do actually . Test is ok to b on for life at 500mg a week is ok broken up into 2 shots like Mon and Fri .. I 've competed and placed in Ohio state NPC heavy weight 6th place and in Cal for Mr Cal placed 4 th place Ty .. so may b this is a all natural board I'm a bit confused as to many guys are so against AAS. . AAS are not bad do not kill and are safe to use with being done under a DR s care wher blood wrk is being done . So why don't you research some more and see you can be on test safely for life with out cycling . Off no need to only other AAS such as deca, win, mast, tren etc.
 
I never said test wasn't safe when used correctly. I never said TRT was no good (although 500 mg/week is silly for TRT). I never said I was anti-AAS - I use, but responsibly. What I DID say was that cruising for the sake of gains keeping was unnecessary, and yes, CAN be dangerous.
 
musclefreak954 said:
Matt go do more research and keep wrking out at Planet Fitness
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Lol. You're an idiot dude. Every comment that contradicts your idiocy offends you? I don't do the internet bitch thing, but if you wanna offend people, PM me and I'll give you my address and pay for your gas, asshat.
 
Lol. Dude, it's OK. Get a life. And yes, I use 30's....with my nuts. Go use some more bunk or tweak your diet and routine or something, because if you need 500mg for "cruising", you are seriously doing something wrong. Pick on someone else, you're scaring me and your attempted insults are hurting my feelings. I'm sensitive so you know.
 
musclefreak954 said:
I do actually . Test is ok to b on for life at 500mg a week is ok broken up into 2 shots like Mon and Fri .. I 've competed and placed in Ohio state NPC heavy weight 6th place and in Cal for Mr Cal placed 4 th place Ty .. so may b this is a all natural board I'm a bit confused as to many guys are so against AAS. . AAS are not bad do not kill and are safe to use with being done under a DR s care wher blood wrk is being done . So why don't you research some more and see you can be on test safely for life with out cycling . Off no need to only other AAS such as deca, win, mast, tren etc.
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yeah its called TRT/HRT and no legitimate doctor will prescribe that dosage unless you have some sort of testicular problem. the typical dose is 125-200mg tops per week. 500mg a week on a normal male would put you in the thousands T level.

welcome to the board and its awesome you competed and have experience with AAS, but you might want to listen to the bro's on here before posting up mis information, you will learn a lot .. there are a lot of people out there who have been juicing for 30 years or more and who compete who still have no clue what they are doing when it comes to these compounds, so that doesn't make you smart
 
musclefreak954 said:
If you are cruising on AAS or TRT for a while and want to come off you can run HCG to get your T levels bck up
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hcg is suppressive, you are confusing hcg with SERM's

yes it will boost your T level, temporarily, but it also will cripple your LH and FSH.

again learn about these compounds before making comments and then calling others stupid. thank you!
 
Understandable, however test is not bad being on for life and crushing at 500mgs aweek . Dudes should research b4 they put bogus info about hcg and other cycling info.bc you do not have to cycle Test and it's recommended to stay on test while incorporating other AAS into ur test cycle.
 
Hcg can b used safely if a male had been on gear and wants to come off or wants to have kids sometimes it's necessary to take .. HCG is safer than Tylenol and or your common antibiotics have more possible sides than hcg
 
musclefreak954 said:
Understandable, however test is not bad being on for life and crushing at 500mgs aweek . Dudes should research b4 they put bogus info about hcg and other cycling info.bc you do not have to cycle Test and it's recommended to stay on test while incorporating other AAS into ur test cycle.
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yes its called blast and cruising, who is argueing with you about that?

you are picking fights with people for no reason on this thread. people are saying that its best to cycle on and cycle off to keep your HPTA functioning.. not everyone competes and not everyone wants to be on gear forever. you can still make gains and keep gains by cycling steroids with proper PCT. many people (including me) choose to cycle not just because we may want kids one day but also because we don't want to be a slave to the pin forever. priorities change for people.
 
HCG def flares my gyno. I prefer hcgenerate along with nolva and aromasin to keep that from occurring while adding to testicular size.
 
Suggesting someone can take 500mg a week of test for life is very unsafe for many over the long run. Yes that will put many well over 1500. I am on trt at 100mg a week and cycle at only 600mg. Not sure why guys feel they need so much.
 
jerseydevil said:
Since when does size equate to knowledge??
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he was making fun of someone else's avatar. gearhead was saying if you are going to bust on someone's pic you should post up your own pic and I agree.. too many shit talkers on the internet who rip others but don't step up themselves
 
Is there any scientific evidence that HCG or HG generate do what we want them to do? I couldn't find any. Experiments are so easy to run and yet so few as we need them. ...
 
Saluki said:
Is there any scientific evidence that HCG or HG generate do what we want them to do? I couldn't find any. Experiments are so easy to run and yet so few as we need them. ...
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blood work bro.

take bloods, run hcg, then take bloods again while its in your system and you have all the scientific evidence you need
 
stevesmi said:
he was making fun of someone else's avatar. gearhead was saying if you are going to bust on someone's pic you should post up your own pic and I agree.. too many shit talkers on the internet who rip others but don't step up themselves
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gearhead said:
bro was shit talking about other ppls look...better post his pic...
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I understand and I agree. But my point is so if he is huge, that means he is right about TRT doses and there is no need to come off? 500mg/wk should get your blood levels to around 2,200ng/dl, no way that is a 'replacement' dose. But it's well known many serious competitor's and pro's do not come off, but don't mislead by calling it TRT.
 
That would be a start. But I need subjects sufficient for a t-test and control over diet, cardio, other substances in the body, etc.
 
jerseydevil said:
I understand and I agree. But my point is so if he is huge, that means he is right about TRT doses and there is no need to come off? 500mg/wk should get your blood levels to around 2,200ng/dl, no way that is a 'replacement' dose. But it's well known many serious competitor's and pro's do not come off, but don't mislead by calling it TRT.
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bro u right...size doesn't equal knowledge....but this guy is saying the way someone looks means knowledge, and shit talking other bro for the way he looks.....so he should post a pic....
 
Saluki said:
That would be a start. But I need subjects sufficient for a t-test and control over diet, cardio, other substances in the body, etc.
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hcg mimics LH in the body.. that's how it works. it bypasses the pituitary glands straight to the leydig cells to raise T and estrogen.

there are vids on evo which show pics of the HPTA cycle and how hcg works. do some digging or do some googling

I'm not sure what you are confused about, do you really think that something that mimics LH wouldn't suppress your LH? if such a thing existed then life would be simple
 
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gearhead said:
bro u right...size doesn't equal knowledge....but this guy is saying the way someone looks means knowledge, and shit talking other bro for the way he looks.....so he should post a pic....
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I agree brother.... I find it amusing when someone criticizes someone's physique without showing theirs.
 
Never used hcg on cycle and always recovered fine. Good article, it's always good to have people share the wealth of knowledge out here
 
Man I got gyno from HCG at least 2 times. Thought it was after cycle, but even during cycle using HCG I got really nasty puffy nipples. Had to run letrozole for like 2 months, horrible experience. I don't recommend HCG at all!
 
StJustice said:
Man I got gyno from HCG at least 2 times. Thought it was after cycle, but even during cycle using HCG I got really nasty puffy nipples. Had to run letrozole for like 2 months, horrible experience. I don't recommend HCG at all!
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that's because your leydig cells were stimulating test and estrogen and it wasn't getting blocked going into your pits glands like it would if you ran a SERM. if you do run hcg you need an AI with it everytime or else.

people on this thread and in general don't understand the difference between what SERM's do and what hcg does. SERM's block E, hcg does NOT. if you are E sensitive hcg is like dropping a bomb
 
Good answer Steve. Some people don't even realize that hcg is going to spike estrogen and take no precautions.

In the second post of this thread one of the moderators writes off hcg because "it gave him gyno." What a joke. This guy shouldn't even be running gear if he can't take necessary precautions. You would think with a user name like gear head he would know more about gear. It's sad that some people around here care more about pushing supplements that giving bodybuilders real knowledge about the drugs they use. This thread is a marketing joke.
 
Hrt doc always had me on anastozole while on T, afterwards it was hcg, and tamoxifen. Like I said worked nicely for me wo problems.
 
hcg got its place for many but you should know what you are doing.I see alot of people abuse it and pay the price.
 
musclefreak954 said:
First off you are not knowledgeable and if your Avatar is your pic of you it speaks for itself as inexperienced in the game. If you read and Been in the club for a while you would know that cycling is what causes sides bc you throw your hormonal levels up and dwn and shock your body, so staying on test while cycling other AAS is wise to keep your gains and cruising will not just maintain your gains but also over all well being . You do not need to come off test and cycling is ok when you say incorporate Tren, deca, mast, Winn etc then once you run that in your Test regime then cycle off and stay on Test and it will also give your receptor s time to clear out too.
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I've been cycling on and off for over 15 years buddy. that pic was when i was 20 and not even running gear. come a long way since then. i don't post pics now because of the ink i have and don't need people recognizing me. you shouldn't open your mouth about being in the club until you know who you're talking to either. i don't do the internet bitch thing very often but fucktards like you piss me off. last thing we need is for kids who just start in the game never coming off and then have issues like can't conceive or depression issues down the road because of following advice like yours. unless you're either going to be a pro body builder or have genetically low test levels then there is zero need to be blasting and cruising for life.

as for maintaining gains.... how about dieting and training properly? you don't need to be on anabolics to keep gains. people like you just use it as a crutch because you're afraid to come off. sad really. if people learn to taper down on test prop and come off with a proper pct there really is no roller coaster ride of hormones. thats what i do and I'm strong as fuck and look great on and off cycle
 
gearhead said:
bro was shit talking about other ppls look...better post his pic...
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that was me he was shit talking about. the other thing he should remember is that not everyone does AAS for looks. some do it just to be the strongest moro out there. pics could be old, new or not even one of yourself ether....

i played football semi pro so my goal was never to be 5%bf. i wanted to squat a house and bench press cars. everyone has their own reasons for doing it and no one was arguing with his blasting and cruising but it isn't something you suggest everyone should do. newbies could really eft themselves up doing that. thats all i was getting at lol

and getting back to the original post. i don't use hcg either. it flares my gyno up bad if i do. that hcgenerate works just fine imo
 
stevesmi said:
that's because your leydig cells were stimulating test and estrogen and it wasn't getting blocked going into your pits glands like it would if you ran a SERM. if you do run hcg you need an AI with it everytime or else.

people on this thread and in general don't understand the difference between what SERM's do and what hcg does. SERM's block E, hcg does NOT. if you are E sensitive hcg is like dropping a bomb
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x2x2x2x

everyone should read this
 
musclefreak954 said:
I do actually . Test is ok to b on for life at 500mg a week is ok broken up into 2 shots like Mon and Fri .. I 've competed and placed in Ohio state NPC heavy weight 6th place and in Cal for Mr Cal placed 4 th place Ty .. so may b this is a all natural board I'm a bit confused as to many guys are so against AAS. . AAS are not bad do not kill and are safe to use with being done under a DR s care wher blood wrk is being done . So why don't you research some more and see you can be on test safely for life with out cycling . Off no need to only other AAS such as deca, win, mast, tren etc.
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Now we all Know EVO is not idiot proof.......
 
I love when people post the 10% bf thing. Everyone on the boards without a pic are at 10% bf lol. 500mg of test on trt...............My test is > 4000 on 400mg E/W...I wouldn't call that TRT and your really putting yourself in dangerous territory doing this. Cardiovascular problems immediately come to mind.

As for HCG. It has it's place, I find it beneficial as a good primer after last inject of long esters as LH is already suppressed, getting test going before I incorporate SERMs always seemed to work better for ME. I typically run my aromasin with it but drop it in time to clear out before SERM start to kick in as I find AI to be counterproductive for ME during PCT.

My best advice is to do a shit load of research, find something that works and utilize it. Also, proper diet and PCT training protocol as well as ample rest/stress management will optimize recovery by allowing proper hormonal response and keeping cortisol low. Chemicals are great and they help tremendously, but people overlook the most important factors.
 
jigga14 said:
Good answer Steve. Some people don't even realize that hcg is going to spike estrogen and take no precautions.

In the second post of this thread one of the moderators writes off hcg because "it gave him gyno." What a joke. This guy shouldn't even be running gear if he can't take necessary precautions. You would think with a user name like gear head he would know more about gear. It's sad that some people around here care more about pushing supplements that giving bodybuilders real knowledge about the drugs they use. This thread is a marketing joke.
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stfu ....what u think you know it all....moron, majority of trt guys run hcg with no AIs or serms...and anyways....why should i run hcg and have to add other drugs? why not run hcgenerate and no other drugs needed....straight natural...same results....
 
You need some AI LOL
Mattdogg said:
Lol. Dude, it's OK. Get a life. And yes, I use 30's....with my nuts. Go use some more bunk or tweak your diet and routine or something, because if you need 500mg for "cruising", you are seriously doing something wrong. Pick on someone else, you're scaring me and your attempted insults are hurting my feelings. I'm sensitive so you know.
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+1 great post.
Bad Juju said:
that was me he was shit talking about. the other thing he should remember is that not everyone does AAS for looks. some do it just to be the strongest moro out there. pics could be old, new or not even one of yourself ether....

i played football semi pro so my goal was never to be 5%bf. i wanted to squat a house and bench press cars. everyone has their own reasons for doing it and no one was arguing with his blasting and cruising but it isn't something you suggest everyone should do. newbies could really eft themselves up doing that. thats all i was getting at lol

and getting back to the original post. i don't use hcg either. it flares my gyno up bad if i do. that hcgenerate works just fine imo
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I took HCG once (ONLY!) and never again. After the 2nd shot (3rd day), I had a swollen face and puffy look. I felt horrible and decided to just stop using the crap.
 
better options out there.....HCG kinda reminds me of the old tes/mast/tren cycle......been a standard for years and just now, is being realized, that it aint all that great.

best way to describe whats happening with hcg now days.
 
Never did like hcg just much btr options now a days likeep hcgenerate
 
hcg is so often abused, misused, etc... it can be so detrimental and people just don't realize it... its an old school method that has cause long term damage to so many people... i think it may be one of the most misunderstood drugs in not only this lifestyle, but just overall in general... we are all very lucky to have been presented with alternatives like hcgenerate that are extremely effective with NONE of the side effects...
 
dylangemelli said:
hcg is so often abused, misused, etc... it can be so detrimental and people just don't realize it... its an old school method that has cause long term damage to so many people... i think it may be one of the most misunderstood drugs in not only this lifestyle, but just overall in general... we are all very lucky to have been presented with alternatives like hcgenerate that are extremely effective with NONE of the side effects...
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Alot of the time its drilled into peoples heads, its needed with every cycle and its just not true.
 
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